The Emerging World Order & The Rise and Fall of Nations

The Emerging World Order & The Rise and Fall of Nations

Sept. 28, 2026

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Hon. Michele Bachmann

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 9/28/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to Stand in the Gap today, and it’s our normal Monday practice here, if you are used to listening to us, where we highlight the most significant global events of the preceding week. And oftentimes there are things that happen over the weekend, and we do this now as we embark upon the last week here of September. Hard to believe where we are in this year, but time flies and we have to be very careful how we use that time. Now, today, I’m so very, very glad to be joined again by a friend of all God-fearing people and a friend of this program, the honorable Michele Bachmann. She’s a former US Congresswoman, as you all know, a presidential candidate and currently serving as the Dean of the Robertson School of Government at Regent University. Now, as I look around the world, one thing I think that is indisputable, and that’s the world is changing and historical political alignments are realigning.

And too often, I think we get buried in the detail and miss the forest for the trees. So today we’re going to address this overall observation of change from a comprehensive perspective. And the title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is this, the emerging world order and the rise and fall of nations. Now a little bit of history. Since World War II, nearly every American president has spoken of shaping a new international framework. As an example, George H. W. Bush famously envisioned what he said was a “new world order where the rule of law suppresses the law of the jungle.” Joe Biden more recently declared that, “There’s going to be a new world order out there and we’ve got to lead it.” And then for over seven decades, really, both political parties have operated on the premise that the existing order, whatever that would be or is, was insufficient and required a greater global integration and multilateral institutions, though they have not always agreed how to do it.

Now enter Donald Trump, who when he came and he ran, shattered that at least verbalized consensus, what I just shared. And speaking directly, for instance, at the United Nations on September 24, 2019, as US president, Donald Trump declared, “We reject globalism and embrace the doctrine of patriotism. Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.” Yet, while Donald Trump explicitly campaigned against the globalist establishment and dismantled key trade and security agreements as we’ve seen, he has left his own ultimate destination, I would say rather undefined. And to this question, there’s a logical question. Is Donald Trump simply, now being the current president, is he simply replacing the broad-based old globalism with a transactional multipolar nationalist order? Or is he perhaps unwittingly being a catalyst, clearing the path for something entirely that reflects a move from a broad based representation of many nations like the United Nations, as it is now, to a new technocratic governance model made up of a much smaller number of perhaps billionaire elite?

Okay, let’s put it out there. With that, Michele Bachmann, thank you so much for being with me again. It’s a pleasure always to have you here.

Michele Bachmann:

The pleasure is all mine, I assure you. Thank you so much, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Michele, let’s get right in it. How do you evaluate this bigger picture, this 80 year, 70 year presidential impulse to construct be a new world order? And why did the post World War II framework ultimately begin to break down in people’s sense they need to change?

Michele Bachmann:

Well, people are people and they’re surrounded by staffs that are people and they live amidst the ideas that are the trends of the time. And we have to remember the context. Immediately after World War II, a horrible war that killed millions and millions of people, the UN in 1945 had the belief that the trend would be for global institutions to resolve global problems because they saw the European nation states had two world wars where they went against each other as sovereign nation states. So then the trend was let’s establish global institutions to resolve these global problems. And it was a wildly inaccurate delusion that people coming from different starting points, different belief systems, different goals could somehow find unity and peace. It hasn’t happened yet. Abel and Cain couldn’t find unity. So how are Muslims and communists and believers going to find unity when we don’t want the same outcome?

That’s really the problem. We don’t want the same outcome.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And I think that is clear. So let’s get into this part because now, I mean, in the past we have H.W. Bush and he said what he said and other presidents have said what they have said. Now we have Donald Trump. So let’s deal in the present, but clearly he has rejected at least verbally traditional globalism, yet I have seen very little definition of what that exactly means and what people think about that. But in your view, what is actually being sought right now to build in the place of traditional globalism? And is it really departing from that, what we view to be a centralized global power or are we just changing the mix?

Michele Bachmann:

No, I believe Donald Trump, unlike any other president since 1945 when the UN was created, I believe he more than anyone has been bold. I’m not saying this as a partisan. I’m not saying this as a Donald Trump cheerleader. I’m saying just from observation, he has done more than any other president to tear down the global world border. He removed the United States from over 60 international UN linked organizations. That’s incredible. Nobody else has done it. He’s removed us from them. He removed them from the international treaties like the Global Climate Change Treaty. He removed us from the World Health Organization. We’ve spoken to your listeners many times about the dubious nature of the, in fact, the evil nature of the World Health Organization, particularly during the global pandemic. But the even better thing is that Donald Trump took American money and did not give it to the UN in the way that prior presidents have.

So he has starved the UN of money, which is the greatest thing he could have done. I applaud him for that. He’s defunded many, many UN programs, including the terrible one UNRA, which was funding Hamas terrorism in Gaza, and he severely cramped the style of the UN’s ability to be able to achieve one world government. This is an area where Donald Trump. There are some areas that I have disagreement with him, but on this area, he has really outperformed and I’m very proud of him. And people can catch his speech that he gave at the UN just last week. It was an excellent speech and he talked about how he removed the United States from all these UN organizations so people can see for themselves. Just go on YouTube and type in the UN speech last week that he gave. It was an excellent speech.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And with that, Michele, we’re right up to the break. Ladies and gentlemen, if you’re just joining us, the honorable Michele Bachmann is my guest today and we’re looking at policy matters that are impacting, here’s the title, it frames it, the emerging world order and the rise and fall of nations because clearly as we see around the world, alignments of nations, alliances of nations are quickly changing and the world order, something is happening. It’s going somewhere. We’re talking about that and just kind of backing up from it a little bit and looking from an historical perspective and other things. We’ll pick up on that when we come back and actually talk about what’s it mean about the rule of law.

Well, welcome back to Stand in the Gap today. And today we’re going to continue our conversation now with the honorable Michele Bachmann. And here’s the theme that’s framing our conversation today, the emerging world order and the rise and fall of nations. And having established in the last segment the shift away from going to say broad based 20th century globalism as we have known it, we must now examine the dramatic geopolitical realignments that are splitting the globe today. And certainly they are happening. Specifically, we’re seeing the deepening divide between East and West, the China, the Iran, the Pakistan, the Turkey, the Russia, all of those as we’ve talked about so much in other programs. But as sovereign nations realign, and they are, and the emerging economic blocks challenge the traditional Western dominance, President Trump’s foreign policy kind of comes into the middle of that and continues to accelerate I think what can be objectively described as disruptive structural realignments.

World leaders are openly acknowledging these dynamics. For many, they would declare them to be dangerous. Chinese President Xi Jinping as an example, recently warned President Trump about entering what he said was a Thucydides trap. And that’s the historical concept where a rising power threatens an established ruling power, meaning China rising threatened the US, that’s what it means, where a rising power threatens and established ruling power, making military or strategic conflict nearly inevitable unless a new balance is struck. Okay. Now that’s what he’s referring to and he’s referred to it a number of times. Now amidst a number of these rising global tensions, we’re also witnessing a profound shift in how nations view the rule of law. As a matter of fact, this morning I heard a survey just taking about how many people understand and can interpret what is the rule of law. And the majority of people say, well, you’re operating less under the rule of law than before, but they don’t really know what it is.

So what was once understood as objective and foundational truth rooted in moral order particularly is increasingly, well, it’s being redefined, weaponized in some cases, or outright abandoned on the international stage. So Michele, with that in mind, let’s walk into that because again, we’re talking policy as it impacts the geopolitical, the international, the nations of the world, the world order, that’s how it all fits. But let’s go back to Donald Trump because his strategy, without a doubt, it is disruptive. How is it, in your opinion here, accelerating the East versus West division as an example, which is very big, and President Xi’s warning regarding the Thucydides trap?

Michele Bachmann:

Well, there’s no question the strategic alignments are changing. You just have to look at as far back as August 7th with the Mecca agreement where Saudi Arabia made an agreement with Pakistan and with Turkey. And they did that because the international experts are saying because they didn’t think they could trust the United States anymore, that we would be there. Now you have to go back to February of this year on February 28th, that’s when the United States and Israel banded together for what was probably the greatest military action in my lifetime. And that’s when they went after Iran. We saw literally miracles every single hour happening against Iran. Iran had virtually no victories. The United States and Israel had constant victories. So this went on for something under 40 days, complete victory. And then all of a sudden there was a stop. There’s a complete halt.

And I think this is when Donald Trump’s problems began because if the listeners recall, there was something called the memorandum of understanding. And so just as President Trump and Israel had Iran exactly where they wanted them, then that’s when they let up the pressure, in my estimation, at the worst possible time and said, “Okay, now we’re going to negotiate Iran. Now we’re going to negotiate.” And we’ve been in that fuzzy, muddled negotiation ever since. And so what happened, quite frankly, Sam, is that all the leaders of the world looked at Israel and the United States with awe, reverence. We were the strong horse of the world and Israel too. And the way that this kind of post-memorandum of understanding has been conducting, in my opinion, is about the worst thing that could have happened because then the Middle East looked at America as not a strong horse anymore, but as a weak horse, that we gave up our distinct advantage to Iran of all nations.

And so the nations have been sputtering. They’ve been spiraling, whirling, trying to figure out, “We don’t understand Donald Trump. What’s America? Where are you coming from?” It made no sense. People in this country could not understand it. And I think that that took President Trump having a very high approval rating to today has a low approval rating. And I think it’s because of statements that have come out and statements like for instance, Vice President JD Vance, who said that President Trump is the first president in the modern era that’s taken on Israel and is willing to part ways with them when it doesn’t benefit our interests. And so he’s made a lot of what I would say are anti-Israel statements, the vice president, and that’s caused the president’s base to wonder what’s going on. Well, not just domestic politics, but geopolitical. Everyone is realigning right now and trying to figure out is America strong or are we weak?

And it is shocking to me the two-facedness that we have shown to the world this spring and this summer, and I believe that’s hurt our standing.

Sam Rohrer:

Michele, I hadn’t heard what you had said there. I’m sure you’ve said that before, but that is, and that’s a mirror of things that we have said on this program before. So I’m just going to let that stand. Let me just walk into this next part because it comes into the rule of law and I think ties into this. And here’s my question. When international leaders speak of the rule of law, which goes all the way back to George Bush Sr. and that quote I gave at the beginning, and now even come up in the polls over the weekend, the rule of law is there. People are wondering, but what does it mean? What’s it mean by definition today? Have we embraced it, abandoning it? Is it a signal for the future stability of nations? And then into this, I’ve got to put this because I think as it relates to our current president, one can’t cut this out because when directly asked, as an example, by the New York Times in January of this year, it was just before the February 28th date that you cited, and they ask, “Are there any limits on your global power?” That was a question asked to the president.

And President Trump stated this and people listening, you may remember this, but he said, basically the answer is yes, but he said, “My own,” get this, “my own morality, my own mind. It’s the only thing that can stop me. I don’t need international law.” So Michele, I mean, words mean things. So from a constitutional, historical, and I’m going to say biblical perspective now as we factor a biblical worldview into this, what does it mean when the traditional rule of law is replaced by a personal morality or the mind of a single leader and not a fixed rule of law, either anchored in biblical truth or for instance, a constitutional oath, for instance, that for instance, you and I have taken many times. But anyways, you got the question. How do you answer that? Because that’s got to factor into what we’re seeing.

Michele Bachmann:

Well, it does because I think these are the kind of statements that get President Trump in trouble. They don’t help him. And I think in his mind, he maybe means one thing, but it comes across as though he’s going his own way. Because again, what we know historically from the United States, we’re a nation of laws, not men, that men are under law, that the president operates under law. And I believe the president believes that as well. And I think again, this is where he goes off track. He makes these statements that he shouldn’t be making because I don’t think he’s saying, “Look, I get to do whatever I want to do, my own personal morality.” I don’t think that is what he believes because he follows the law. He has everyone around him telling him, “No, you have to follow the law.” But take a look at the world.

Okay, so you’ve got the communist nations. Their rule is communism. That’s what they follow. They lie, cheat, steal. Their father is the father of lies, the devil himself. And so they follow whatever it is that they want to do that’s going to get them ahead. The worst thief in the world is China. They steal all of their espionage. It’s meant to steal our government secrets and corporate secrets from our corporations, steal everything that we have. So that’s kind of the way of the world. Then the Muslim nations, their rule of law is Sharia. It’s no other law. It’s Sharia law. So most of the world could care less about the law. What brought sanity to the world, Sam, was the revelation of Jesus Christ given to the world through the Jewish people, to the Western nations. The Western nations were built upon the Judeo Foundation that you speak about so eloquently, and that’s what’s kept sanity for the world.

That’s literally the salt and light of the world has been the Judeo-Christian Foundation.

Sam Rohrer:

And ladies and gentlemen, I think as you’re listening to General Michele Bachmann, you say, yes, amen, amen. That is true. And it is true. However, we can’t agree in this country anymore on the definition of God. We can’t agree on the definition of truth or right or wrong because that biblical basis has been pushed to the side, hence the uncertainty of where we are. Stay with us. We’ll be right back. Well, welcome back to Stand in the Gap today and to my special guest today, the honorable Michele Bachmann, and would ask that you pray for her. The Lord has continued to use her as she has made herself available for the advancement of biblical truth all around the world. So anyways, I would ask you to do that, but I’m glad to have her with me today. Now our theme is this, the emerging world order and the rise and fall of nations.

And all of those things that are in that title, we’ve touched on a little bit already and we’re going to complete it in the balance of the program. So stay with us. But in our opening segment, we posed a vital question and it may not have made sense at that point. We’re going to expand upon it, but I asked the question, is the old globalism being replaced by a new highly centralized technocratic governance model? Now you might say, well, what is that? Well, in past programs, I’ve talked about that a little bit, but to see that answer play out, we’re going to look directly at the Middle East, which is where the focus of attention of the world is gathered, the nation of Israel right there, which is the epicenter of global prophecy. Now, since its inception, I’ve been deeply researching, I’ve done a lot of work personally on researching the developments in Gaza, particularly the historic creation of what is known as often referred to as the Gaza Board of Peace.

There’s another longer name to it, but the Gaza Board of Peace is accurate. What is it? Well, it’s an executive body with an appointed chairman for life, and that chairman for life is Donald Trump, not in his capacity as president, but in his personal capacity as an individual. Now, these things are important to understand. That group, that board and the board around it are unelected. They are unaccountable. That body is unaccountable to Congress. It is unaccountable to the United Nations. But ironically, it was authorized and sanctioned officially by the United Nations, specifically the Security Council, by a unanimous vote with Russia and China abstaining. Now, that’s the very same body that our current president derides as being no good. And I agree, it’s no good. But they were good for something, and that was establishing this framework. Now, this framework, from a governance perspective, bypasses traditional sovereign statehood.

It’s not a nation, it’s a committee, it’s an entity placing daily governance, who determines what and how it runs into the hands of unelected technocrats, private equity, and centralized security enforcement. I say that because that’s the makeup of that board. And from a purely historical and governance perspective, this entity, to me, reflects the purest form of, I’m going to call it totalitarianism. Why? Because it’s unaccountable to any political body. It exists by a grant of unilateral authority to one person alone. And when I consider the structure, Michele, I cannot avoid the evaluating of it as anything other than what scripture reveals that in the end times, which I believe is the time which we’re living, a total global governance structure to what the Bible refers to, we called it the beast system, will be able to manage the entire global population through economic and administrative and technological control rather than the traditional nation state politics.

So I bring that in because when I think of world order, I think, right, here’s the north. So here’s my question. From an historical perspective, constitutional perspective, particularly here in America, we’ve enjoyed in our nation and also a biblical perspective that you and I share and most of our listeners as well, how have you come to evaluate the board of peace, this technocratic Gaza governance model and how that operates since actions, I think speak louder than words. So even if we say we don’t want the global order, there is now by choice an order of administration that to me looks very much like a blueprint. I’m not the only one who thinks that, but how does that factor into laying the groundwork perhaps for the emerging prophetic bee system?

Michele Bachmann:

Well, my opinion is I have been opposed to the board of peace from the first moment it was announced and it’s because it’s never going to work. And what bothered me more than anything, Israel was about two or three weeks from complete dominance and finishing off Hamas and Gaza. They were right at the edge of victory and it really came at the request, not request, the mandate of Jared Kushner, who is not elected. He is, I don’t know what he is, I guess kind of a private political appointee of Donald Trump. He’s not a government employee. He’s never been approved by the US Senate and yet he is the one who’s been entrusted with solving these problems in the Middle East and even Ukraine, Russia. It’s a bizarre relationship. I’ve been very vocal. I’ve been opposed to he and Steve Witkoff and their positions. This will not work.

The board of peace won’t work. It was originally known as a 20 point plan, then it was known as a 15 point plan. They were supposed to be to the level where they were starting to disarm Hamas. It hasn’t happened. It’s never going to happen. So it’s a fantasy idea. I actually believe what it really is and what it was intended to be is a real estate deal because I think these guys saw this strip of land on the eastern portion of the Mediterranean and realized they could have this amazing real estate project. I think they saw billions of dollars to be made and I think that’s what it was about. I think the beast, the global system, my personal opinion is I don’t think this is it. I don’t think this is where it’s going to come from out of the board of peace, but I think that the way that the one world government system could be constructed could be very similar to this, but I don’t think this is it because this is failure.

Sam Rohrer:

There’s

Michele Bachmann:

No way there’s success. This is complete and utter failure. And I think this has hurt the president. I have a lot of respect for president Trump and I agree with so much that he’s done and I appreciate so much of what he’s done, but both in his first term and in his second term, Sam, I think his weak underbelly has been Israel. I think he’s gotten bad advice on Israel and it’s come from his son-in-law. And so I think he was hurt terribly in his first term by his road to peace and prosperity. I think that hurt him. I think that helped precipitate his not returning into office. But I think this time the same thing has happened. Jared Kushner said he wouldn’t be a part of the second Trump term. There he is. He works every day on these things and I believe it’s only hurt us and it’s contributed to an anti-Israel mentality in this country and that’s not good because again, look at the Democrat party and what’s happened in the Senate.

There’s only one senator, one Democrat senator that stands for Israel. That’s your Pennsylvania Senator Fetterman. All of the other Democrat senators are anti-Israel and Hassan Piker has stated obliquely that the Democrat nominee will not be pro-Israel. He will be anti-Israel. So we have an absolute day and night divide between the Democrat Party and Republican Party. We have trouble now in the Republican Party, but people are anti-Israel and the Republican Party. So we need to remember America is blessed when we bless Israel, cursed when we curse Israel. And so that is the fine line that we’re rocking right now. This board of peace is not going to bless Israel. It’s a curse. And so I’m opposed to it completely and I think it needs to go away. But we’ll see where the B system comes from. I’m not sure that it’s this. And you and I are very, very good friends and we could maybe disagree on this one, but it could be a similar system that looks like this, but is instituted maybe up in Europe.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, you know what, Michele? I agree with you totally. I don’t think that the B system is going to come out of this model either. And I have said basically what you’ve said though, but it does have a structure that would appear to fit that which the man of sin will come forth with where one guy somehow can commandeer the entire system. So it has a structure of unaccountability, but I would agree with you, not out of that, but I also agree with you on just about everything, but when that system came into place and it was demanded, yes, Israel was told, “Don’t finish the job and we’re suffering because of that.” And that takes us to the next point. Any comment, again, further about the alignment of nations that are happening there in the Middle East, it seems to be it’s all tied into this, but now you’ve got Turkey and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and some other nations and China’s in the middle of it and Iran’s still being thrown.

I mean, this is an incredible thing where we look at what biblical prophecy would call out as nations and saying, “Wow, it seems like it’s coming together and all of these seem to be fitting in some way.”

Michele Bachmann:

Oh, they absolutely are. You’re spot on with that because I think it was maybe around 2013, 2014, 2015, when Iran and Turkey, this new alignment was coming into place. Never before in world history had these nations come together because again, Iran is Persian and Turkey is Sunni Islam, primarily Sunni Islam. And so now you have these alignments that are coming together that are indicative and point us to Ezekiel 38. So I think a lot of people are talking more about it. And I just reread Ezekiel 34, 35, 36, 37, 38. And I encourage all of your listeners, reread that scripture and take a look at what’s happening. Everything is being put together for that Ezekiel 38 scenario. We’re coming toward that moment.

Sam Rohrer:

I believe that we are too, Michele. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with, we’ll come back. And this last segment I’m titling A Closing Window in Advice for the Faith. I’m going to ask Michele to give counsel to God-fearing believers and to those who are well focused on the political. Well, as we go into our final segment, just a reminder to all who are listening, even though it’s mentioned at the end of this program, all of these programs that we do, Stand in the Gap today, this one particular that airs Monday through Friday at the same time, or our weekend program, Stand in the Gap weekend or the Minute program, which you’ve heard now twice if you’ve heard what’s in the break, if your station has played it. All of those are accessible and you can find them on the website, standinthegapradio.com or on our free app, Stand in the Gap.

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Okay, that being the case, throughout this hour, we’ve traced a dramatic geopolitical progression. That’s from the breakdown of the 20th century multilateralism, that coming out of the Second World War, the United Nations, that order, to the accelerating, and we’ve talked about the East West division where very clearly you’ve got the East, the Chinas, the Irans, the Russia, all of them. They are coalescing together against the West and primarily our nation as pretty much the leader of the West. Then ultimately there is a governance model in place anchored by what we just talked about by the Gaza Board of Peace. Whereas that may not go anywhere, it’s significant that the United Nations sanctioned an entity unaccountable to anyone or to anybody and put somebody in place, happens to be our current president in his individual private capacity as chairman for life. It’s unheard of, but that is the model of what will be one world governance that the man of sin will ultimately take.

Not saying it’s coming out of that, but it’s saying there is a model. Now that being the case, when we step back and connect these dots through the lens of scripture, one sobering reality I think becomes clear. The window of time, particularly if we view these days as end days, the latter years of the end times is rapidly closing. God is actively shaking the nations. It’s clear global structures are converging exactly as prophesied. Michele talked about in the last segment, the Ezekiel 3839 Coalition as example is coming together when just a few years ago it was kind of like, I know it will, but how? We’re not seeing it happen. In light of these realities, true believers cannot afford to be passive nor can we fall into the trap of placing our ultimate hope in political Messiahs of which there are plenty standing up or earthly governance or temporal peace agreements that bypass the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible.

So Michele, as we close here today, let’s go here first. What’s your direct advice and counsel for true believers who are watching these prophetic events and global realignments unfold at such a rapid pace?

Michele Bachmann:

Well, my advice would be recognize that today the world is embracing ignorance, absolute ignorance. God is irrelevant for so many people and yet the world thinks it is smarter than ever before. They know less, but they think they’re smarter. It’s an arrogance, a pride, an entitlement that’s coming out. To me, when I look especially at the next generation that’s coming up, I encourage everyone focus on biblical literacy because this generation doesn’t have it, the one coming up. They have to have biblical literacy. I just over the weekend was talking to a college program focused on Christian colleges and they said that we are losing kids to the culture and what has happened to Christian kids, they’re rejecting the support for Israel. They’re rejecting the pre-trib rapture of the church. They no longer accept that life begins from conception. So think of that. In our generation, we knew enough to support Israel and we were very interested in end times.

They’re interested in end time. So things that we were interested in, this young people are interested in, but they have the exact opposite, the wrong conclusion, the anti-biblical conclusion. Their conclusion is reject Israel. Christian kids, their conclusion is reject pre-rapture of the church because they think we’re already in the millennium and they also think there’s no need to be worried about support for the unborn because the unborn maybe get some sort of protection maybe later, maybe, maybe. So this is an astounding level of pooled ignorance among particularly Christian kids who’ve gone through Christian school and Christian college. And so to me, this is a five alarm fire with our young people. We need to have intervention with them as parents, as churches, and recognize where will the church be if we lose this young generation.

Sam Rohrer:

All right, that’s good. Now let me go there because Michele, the advice you gave there will fit to all of our listeners around the world because that’s advice for true remnant believers. But let’s come to our nation here. I’m going to phrase it this way. How should God fearing politically active conservatives, however they may describe themselves, navigate this closing window of opportunity without succumbing to, I’m going to say despair, or being distracted by a worldly system or people who claim that they have the answer for making all things good and right when in fact we know the king of kings, ultimately we the ones who makes things right. Well,

Michele Bachmann:

You’re right. This world isn’t going to solve the problem, but that being said, I can’t emphasize enough how important it is for Christians to get out and vote. We’re talking about a flawed president and flawed political parties, but one political party today is offering as their solution to the problem, socialism or communism and Islamism. I mean, it’s rank. It’s right out there. It’s full frontal. That’s exactly what they’re offering, a system that’s been proven to bring destruction and death to the world for the last 100 years, communism and Islamism. And on the other hand, you have a political party in America that’s offering hopefully normalcy under the US Constitution. The one party hates the US Constitution. They want to replace the US Constitution with communism and with Islamic Sharia law. The other party says, “Yeah, we want the Constitution. In fact, we want to live under it.” They’re a very flawed party too.

That’s a Republican party. But we’ve never. I’ll tell you, Sam, in my lifetime, I have never seen a more clear cut contrast between two political parties. And the sad thing is the people on the conservative side, they’re not energized and they don’t realize how important this election is. We have two more years left under Donald Trump and no, he is not a savior, but he’s the best thing we’ve got going. And so if we want to see anything good happen, that’s the horse we’re going to have to ride because we really need to take this seriously, that America and Israel are very intertwined and as all nations will be judged just on Zion, Joel three verses one through three, all nations are judged on how they treat Israel. And I’ll tell you what, if the Democrats are in charge, it is going to be cursing Israel.

And so that means America will be cursed. So individuals can be blessed or cursed, but nations can be blessed or cursed. We want our nations blessed. So we’ve got to vote and think very carefully about our vote this fall.

Sam Rohrer:

Yes, we do. And Michele Bachmann, thanks so much for being with me today. We’re at the end of the program. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us today. I trust, and I’m sure that you have been inspired, blessed, convicted, hopefully, to get more directly into God’s word, which is what we emphasize all the time. That is our standard. Let’s make our anchor firmly there.