Healthcare Freedom After the Election: What Comes Next?
Nov. 11, 2026
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Twila Brase
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/11/26 To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to Stand in the Gap today. And it’s also our monthly focus here on health freedom with Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom with a website at cchfreedom.org. Now today we’re going to discuss a topic that’s both timely and important, particularly in light of the November 3rd midterm elections of which we’re all aware that saw such sweeping changes because while campaigns, which are now done, campaigns come and go, elections, they do assure short term and long term changes. Some of them are predictable. I’m going to say many of them are not. But elections also reveal voter sentiment such as, or including essential, I think what we saw was really like a no confidence vote, even though we don’t have that in America, that’s more of in parliamentary systems. It was that kind of a change. The people spoke and there were a lot of things in their thinking.
But within some of those areas of where they are concerned and think about and change is demanded is healthcare policy frequently sits somewhere close to the center of those debates. And even though most people can’t always tell you exactly what they want, they’re pretty good at pretty much saying what they don’t like. That we know, right? For decades though, constitutionally prohibited, and it’s important to know, constitutionally prohibited healthcare as a function of limited government, it’s not there yet government’s involved in it. And healthcare has become increasingly shaped and reshaped by federal programs and regulations and insurance mandates and growing technological integration as some would say, or I would say more like intrusion. But as newly elected officials prepare to take office, many astute Americans are wondering and should wonder what may change now and what will remain perhaps on the current trajectory. Questions like this, will healthcare freedom expand or contract?
Will patients gain greater control over their healthcare decisions and costs and medical records or should we expect even greater government involvement and oversight? Well, today we’re going to examine what the election results might mean for healthcare policy moving forward and explore trends already reshaping the healthcare landscape and consider practical alternatives that place responsibility and decision making back into the hands of patients and families and physicians. We’ll also discuss why healthcare freedom advocates emphasize privacy, informed consent, why that’s so important, patient choice and personal responsibility and why these concerns extend really far beyond the politics. The title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is this, healthcare freedom after the election. What comes next? And Twila Brays, Twila, thanks for being back with me and good to have you on. It’s a timely time to talk about what comes next and that’s what I want to get into, but thanks for being back on.
Twila Brase:
Well, I’m glad to be here. Thanks Sam.
Sam Rohrer:
So let’s go this way at the beginning. In the aggregate, say from a top line perspective, what do you believe the election results tell us about the future direction of healthcare policy? That’s where we’re going to go, healthcare policy, freedom related things, healthcare freedom here in America. What’s your sense based on what we know at this point?
Twila Brase:
Well, I think everybody is still trying to figure out exactly why the election happened the way the election happened. But what I find interesting is when healthcare is being talked about, what’s really coming up is make America healthy again, the maha agenda. And there’s conversation as though Trump left the maha agenda behind and his team left the maha agenda behind. And this is probably some part of the reason why people voted the way they did. But I wonder if that’s really true because I think more than anything, the majority of the American people are not thinking maha. They are thinking, look at the price of my insurance. Or it’s not really insurance, but look at the price of my coverage. Look at the price of my health plan. Look at what I have to pay every year and then it just disappears. And so I don’t feel like that’s really being talked about as though that is the reason, but I think that’s a bigger part of the reason.
And I’m wondering whether or not there’s anybody in the White House that’s going to really go after that reason or are they just going to sit there and try to say that the left cannot get Medicaid cuts back, they can’t get Obamacare enhanced subsidies back. Are they just going to be on the defense or are they going to be on the offense? And I think President Trump has always called healthcare a complicated issue. He had some really great things to say this past year about putting money in the hands of the people and this is exactly where it has to go. But it’s not like we really saw that happening. It’s not like we really see that as an agenda, a big agenda, we’re going to move it agenda coming out of the White House. But that is what would really probably excite people is to think that costs are going to come down because people will have the dollars in their hand and the prices will have to be transparent and every patient will have to be actually the customer, the one who holds all the power in their hand because they hold the cash, they hold the dollars.
And I’m not positively sure that anybody is looking at it that way from the White House.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, that’s interesting. I think you’re right because me having been in office before, I know what the process is like. I did not promise things I could not deliver. I was very careful about that. But it’s not hard for those who run for office, policy type people, to be able to identify what people want. So to say that we want money back in your pocket, of course everybody wants that. The failure to deliver that though becomes a real issue, but you have some solutions to that which we’re going to talk about later in the program. But let me go this way and just ask you this question. What biggest current threat to healthcare that currently exists right now, the current threat to healthcare do you think may be pulled back due to the elections and what threat to healthcare possibly being held back right now do you see as being let loose and going forward?
Twila Brase:
Well, the interesting thing of course is that we have Trump still in the White House. We have now Democrats in charge of Congress, both the House and the Senate. And we now have a new chief of staff that’s a real bulldog on things that he cares about and people do say that he’s probably going to be the most powerful person in the White House for the next two years and it’s probably true. And what will he do? And so when you look at all of that and you see where the Democrats want to go, the Democrats want to bring back all of those things that cost us a lot of money, the Obamacare subsidies, the Medicaid cuts. But I do say, I do think that the right is trying to expand Medicare Advantage as though this is the solution to healthcare, which it is not.
It’s just the corporate version of socialized medicine and the health plans are making a bundle of money off of this and able to exploit the doctors and the patients. But the left doesn’t like Medicare Advantage. They don’t like the health plans. And so they’re not likely to move in that direction. They want to go to Medicare for All, but they want it based on original Medicare where the government is the one who pays all the bills, not the health plans, not the intermediary in between.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, it sounds like Twila, the choice is between at this point, big government healthcare or big business healthcare. Unlocked choice on that regard. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. Twyla Brase is my guest today and our title says Healthcare Freedom After the Election. What comes next? Well, if you’re just joining us today, Twila Brase is back with me today. She is the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. They have a website at cchfreedom.org and she’s on with me generally once a month as we focus on the area of health freedom, those things that relate to the care we get, the processes by which we pay for what we get for the relationship between patient and physician, all of those things that are impacted and we face as patients and people every time we need some kind of input on our health and it’s an important area.
Now, as we move beyond the election results, which we just looked about a little bit in the last segment, what do we know from the elections that just occurred on November 3rd? And we don’t know everything, but we can see some directions. We’ll talk about some of that if we go further today. But it’s important to recognize that many of the most significant healthcare changes in America do not happen through a single election or a single election cycle. They actually occur gradually, often with little public awareness, kind of like incrementalism through regulatory actions, one here, one there, administrative policies, technological integrations and partnerships between government agencies and healthcare providers, insurers and data companies and all of those things that if you’ve listened to us before, we have talked about in the past. For years, health freedom advocates, of which there are not enough, but Twila I would say leads those good folks.
But health freedom advocates have warned that healthcare is moving away from a personal relationship between a patient and physician and toward a more centralized system where access to care, medical records, obviously which are important, treatment decisions, and even healthcare finance who pays for it are increasingly influenced by, well, institutions far removed from the patient. And whether intended or justified by those who do it as it will, they say, improve efficiency or reduce cost or increase coordination, all terms they like to use, the practical result is predictably less personal control and greater institutional or government oversight and centralized dictates. And that’s what we have seen. One example is the growing effort to connect healthcare providers, ensures, government agencies and digital platforms through expanding health information networks. Supporters promised convenience and improved care. Critics warn of diminished privacy and weakened patient consent and increased opportunities for surveillance and control.
So Twila, let’s go there because again, we’ve talked about it before, you’re in that space. Let’s move from the election itself to these larger trends that seem to continue, I’m going to say regardless of who’s in office. But here’s the first question. When you look at healthcare today, where do you see the greatest expansion of government influence and control taking place? And here are two questions associated with that. How would you evaluate to the current, I’m going to say the current Republican controlled Congress in the first half of the Trump administration? Have we in these two years trended generally more free or less free or neutral perhaps? And though you addressed this some in your last segment, how and what trend do you think that we will see under that same evaluation in the next two years? Now I know that’s speculation, but there’s some history here.
Twila Brase:
Okay. Well, I would say that the greatest expansion is that government is even in healthcare. And because they know it’s a really big problem for the American people, they keep trying to pull together laws to do something, but every time they do something, they make something else worse and they continue to expand the cost. They’re not doing anything. They’re not doing anything for the cost. And so it’s interesting, I listened to Max Baukus who was the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee when Obamacare was passed in a 2021 interview. And he basically said that the bill was too big to fail and so they decided it had to pass and they weren’t going to break it up, but they never ever talked about costs. They never figured out the cost angle. And of course we’re all living with that right now, right? And both sides are trying to figure out what to do about it.
But the right is too dependent on unaffordable health plans, which are not insurance, but prepaid care, just like socialized healthcare systems. And if you look at the cost of coverage with what Americans have to pay today, they’re paying these unaffordable premiums, these almost unaffordable deductibles because of the unaffordable premiums. It’s not bad to have a high deductible if you have a very affordable premium, but then they’re paying all this extra money. It’s like double dipping into their pockets for all of these expensive government healthcare programs. And so it’s just like this free wheeling expansion of costs on the American people. And I think the American people are over it. They’re done with it. A lot of people are just dropping insurance. They’re looking for other alternatives. But the thing is, the right is giving bonuses to health plans. They’re giving bonuses to health plans, 13, no, 14, what was it?
$13.4 billion in 2026 for their quality. And so this is like a great gig if you can get it. United Healthcare is getting $3.9 billion on top of all the money that they get from the government already, which is too much money. And then they have the power to deny access to care. I mean, it’s just kind of amazing. It’s like Congress is either conflicted or clueless or they just do not want to deal with this huge issue with the American people and the doctors. The doctors are leaving and the entire system is being turned from a medical model to a nursing model as non-physicians are being put in the place of physicians. And the American people are going to figure this out and they’re going to demand more. I don’t know if the election really meant more, but it’s going to get bigger and bigger as Congress refuses to actually bring the power back to the people through their own pocketbooks.
Sam Rohrer:
See, that’s what I suggested in the last segment is that in reality, what we’re faced with where the common thing is you have a federal government, a Congress and a Senate that are not authorized by the Constitution to even be involved in this area, but yet they have gotten that way. The only money they can get is take it from the people, the very people who pay for the bills and they would do better off if they didn’t take that money to begin with from them and either pay their friends who are favoring centralized government or reward their friends who happen to be in big business. That’s what you’re describing. And at the end of the day, the person, the patient and the taxpayer are the odd men out. And so here we have an issue. So now one of the things you’ve been tracking is this growing health tech ecosystem, I think those are words you used, and the linking together of healthcare providers, insurers, government programs, digital records, all these things that I referenced earlier.
What exactly is this initiative and why does it concern health freedom advocates?
Twila Brase:
So this initiative is really about, I mean, from the Trump administration, they just want everybody to have access to all of the data. The people to have access to all of their own data and for wherever they go, their practitioners will be able to access that data. But that’s a double-edged sword because what that means when you build that kind of system, and most of the tech people have signed on, I can’t remember what they call themselves within the system, but they have signed on an agreement to participate in sharing the data and opening their portals and all of that sort of thing. But it’s a double edged sword because it means that you don’t have privacy. And of course, people think they have privacy. They think HIPAA protects their privacy and HIPAA has never protected their privacy. It has done exactly the opposite. It’s allowed this kind of sharing.
It’s allowed the federal health tech ecosystem to be built. It’s allowed the health information networks to be built. It’s allowed the e-health exchange to be built. People don’t know about that, but that’s like a national network where all of your data can be shared from one part of the country to the other part of the country as long as you’ve got software and you’ve connected to the system. Anyone can go to the ehealthexchange.org and look up their clinic, look up their hospital. And all of this means that all of your data is not yours and all sorts of people can access it. They can profile you, they can connect one family member to another family member all without your consent. HIPAA says no consent is needed and those who have your data can share it without getting your consent. They don’t have to share it, but they can.
They are permitted to share it without getting your consent and data is power. And those who have data about your life can have more control over your life. They can connect dots in your life that you don’t even see are being connected, but they can use AI and other systems to do that without your consent.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay. And we don’t have a whole lot of time here, but to what degree should Americans carefully consider these changes are taking place? And if they have a choice to stay out of collecting systems or whatever, I mean, should they believe the line that it’s better for them and they fit more efficient or should they believe the line that giving up more data is not going to help them?
Twila Brase:
Well, the thing is, if you had your own cash, you wouldn’t have to give up your data. And even HIPAA says that if you pay cash and ask a doctor today not to share your data, they can’t share your data with the health plan, but they can still share it with the government. So I think we just have to look at what are our constitutional rights, what are our privacy rights, what are our patient rights, what are parent rights even doing this on children, right? And so I think one of the big things today is ambient listening, the devices coming into the exam room to record every word that is said, your doctor’s words, your words, putting them together. It’s not a simple recorder. It’s actually dissecting the information and deciding what’s important and what isn’t even as you talk. And so I think people, we have a door –
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, we got to break away, Twila. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us when we come back. We’re going to look now to building freedom based alternatives to what we’re describing as not. Let’s continue this conversation today because if all of the trends that we’ve discussed so far continue in the direction that we’ve described in generally, that is more government or more big business and less money in the pocket of the patient and that kind of thing, but it’d be easy for people to conclude that there’s little that they can do except to watch and for many worry. Yet for years, you’ve advocated that healthcare freedom isn’t merely something to defend politically, which you do because it is important because all this stems off of some kind of government action, legislation or regulation, but it’s also something individuals you believe can exercise personally. So in other words, if greater government involvement, increasing regulations, rising costs, and expanding data sharing networks are in fact becoming a larger part of the healthcare system, then perhaps the most practical question becomes, well then what alternatives exist for those who don’t want that but want more privacy, greater transparency, lower costs and a stronger doctor-patient relationship.
And I’m going to suggest that every person who understands the importance of health freedom, that’s what they want. Now, one of the criticisms Twila has often heard is that Americans have become conditioned to think that healthcare has to flow through government programs or insurance companies or large institutional systems such what we’re talking about here. Yet many physicians and organizations, ministries and patients are actually beginning to pursue other approaches based on direct payment, cash. We’re going to talk about that. I want to ask you more about that, personal responsibility, charitable care and voluntary relationships rather than say bureaucratic oversight. So before we get to the foundational question of why health freedom matters, and I’ve asked you that before, but I want to ask you again. I want to talk about some practical ways that people can reclaim a certain amount of healthcare freedom. You’ve often talked about this, we’ve talked about it here together here on what you term the 3C approach to healthcare, cash, catastrophic coverage and charity.
So explain that model again because we may have people listening here for the first time who have not heard or others who have heard but didn’t act upon it. Why do you believe it offers a more sustainable and freedom oriented approach to healthcare?
Twila Brase:
Well, everything in your life, everything in your life that you buy except healthcare, you get a cost, you look at the cost, you look at your bank account, you might talk to the banker, you look at what you have and decide the value and you decide to buy it not healthcare. You look at somebody else and say, “I hope you’re giving it to me.” And then you don’t even look at what it costs for them to give it to you and you don’t really realize what a theft it is and how much additional money could actually go towards buying a house, for example. So cash is really the cure to what ails healthcare. And right now, $28,000 a year is what the cost is for a family of four. It lasts only a year. If you never go to see the doctor, $28,000 a year is gone.
Now, a young man told me that he figured out that his employer is paying $20,000 a year for him and his wife and he’s paying $6,000 a year. And he looked at this and he though, “Well, wait a minute.” If he went and looked at healthcare sharing where he could pay $3,000 a year for him and his wife, and he’s probably going to talk to the employer about that and wonder, “Can I get even $10,000 a year that you’ll give me in cash so that I can put it into a 401K, I can put it into a house, I can put it into all sorts of things. It doesn’t disappear at the end of the year.” This is called a benefit. Employer sponsor coverage is called a benefit. It’s not a benefit. It’s a theft. And as the health plans demand more and more of the employers and say, “Nope, it’s going to cost you we’re going to increase it by 10%.
We’re going to increase it by 13%.” This is just more into their pocket and by law, they don’t have to give you care if they think it’s medically unnecessary. So when we’re talking about where we need to go, it’s all about the money. Who’s going to get the money? Should you have the money? Should the doctor that you like have the money? Should the hospital that’s good to you have the money? Or should the health plan and the government have the money and get to make all those decisions for you and even decide that you don’t get any of it, but you’re going to pay all of it. So I think a free market and freedom is where this country has always excelled at, but we gave it away when we went to Medicare, when we went to employer sponsored coverage and said employers can get a deduction if they give their employees cash and you know, sorry, insurance.
And there used to be any number of policies that an employee could pick from, but not today, there’s one. And then the employer sends your money away and it’s no longer your money. And so this is an incredible theft that’s happening. The same thing for Medicare. You’re forced into Medicare, you’re forced to pay this amount of money. And if you get into the health plan version, they can simply say, “Nope, we don’t think that care is necessary for you.” So I think freedom in healthcare is so essential to life and liberty and the right to live and the right to save yourself. But we saw during COVID how that right could be taken away. And so freedom is essential. Cash, catastrophic coverage and charity. I’m sorry, I forgot to even cover that. But cash is it, right? And real health insurance that pays you so the cash is in your hand and you can go shopping because most healthcare is not emergencies.
You can go shopping. I don’t know, is there time for me to tell a short story?
Sam Rohrer:
Oh yeah, go ahead. This whole section is to build out not just the fact that there are alternatives, but what they are and how people can access them. Try to make it as simple as you can. So yeah, go ahead and use an illustration.
Twila Brase:
It’s a very simple story. This was told by Keith Smith, the co-founder of the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, and several months ago, a man, an uninsured man from Georgia came calling because he’s uninsured. The Georgia hospital told him that to have his prostate surgery, it would cost $40,000. So he went shopping because he’s uninsured and he found the Surgery Center of Oklahoma where Dr. Keith Smith told him the all in price would be $3,600. And so he called up the hospital in Georgia and said, “Yeah, no, I’m going to get my surgery in Oklahoma where it’s only going to cost me $3,600.” And several days later, the hospital in Georgia called him and said, “You know what? We’ll match that price. We’ll do your surgery all in for $3,600.” Now, this shows the value of cash and there was a cash alternative. There was a market.
There was a competitive market. Well, he decided to get it done in Georgia, but the only reason the hospital in Georgia could not rip him off was because he had a cash alternative. And if it hadn’t decided to do that, he would have gone to Oklahoma. So this is the power of cash in the pocket, the power of you being able to make a decision, the power of you not being beholden to a hospital who’s going to rip you off. And I think that they agreed to the $3,600 because they’re now going to rip off the taxpayers. They’re going to tell the federal government that they took a loss, that they took a loss of essentially $36,000 and please pay us for the loss. Pay us the hospital, you taxpayers. So this is all happening and a lot of your people don’t even know that, but it shows the power of cash.
And Keith Smith did not lose money with a $3,600 payment. He did not lose money because he doesn’t have third parties he has to pay. He doesn’t have electronic health records. Everything he does is cash. No government, no insurance.
Sam Rohrer:
And Twila, people are listening and saying, “All right, that sounds like too good to be true. $40,000 quote by one hospital, 3,600 prostate surgery talking about there is just an example.” And here’s a logical question. Build it out as best you can. If that is the case, I’m not doubting, let’s say since what you just said is true, that difference, 3,600, approximately 4,000 to 40,000, okay, you got $36,000. Where is that $36,000 going? Who gets that in the normal perspective? People are looking at saying, “Well, that’s not possible.” Well, where’s that going? Where’s that 36,000 in every operation likely of a similar comparison that happens across the country, you’re talking billions and billions and billions of dollars. Who’s getting it? Where’s it going?
Twila Brase:
Yeah. So it’s true. I know Dr. Keith Smith. He put it on LinkedIn so everybody can see the story. And I texted him and said, “Let me get the details straight and make sure this is true.” So it’s true. And so the deal is that hospitals do have to deal with a lot of third party payment. They have all the data systems that they have to have. They have all the bureaucracy that they have to have because they have chosen to take third party payment, which makes all of healthcare expenses. So imagine that everything was cash, like at Dr. Keith Smith’s surgery center. Imagine it was all cash. You didn’t have to do all that rigmarole of government data keeping, of utilization review, of quality metrics. Right? He’s got 145 surgeons that come in and do the surgeries. He doesn’t let anybody come in that he wouldn’t let operate on his family.
And he’s got a waiting list of surgeons. Why? Because they come in, they do the surgery, they write a little note in a medical record, paper medical record, and they leave with a check in hand. This is how healthcare should be. Not all of this third party payment, not prior authorization, nothing. As soon as you have the cash in hand, you have the power, you have all the prices and everything becomes way more affordable because we don’t have all those third party fingers taking money out and forcing you to pay for something that doesn’t impact your healthcare at all except to delay it and make it more expensive.
Sam Rohrer:
There you go, Twila. And ladies and gentlemen, hopefully that was helpful there. Doesn’t it just make sense? You buy an apple from the local orchard, you give them a couple dollars, you get an apple, it’s done. But if you add in a dozen different people down along the road, it’s going to cost more. That’s basically what we’re talking about. They both will be right back and we’ll say, why does Freedom Map? Well, as we go into our final segment, just a reminder of you perhaps tuned in and don’t know, my guest today has been Twila Brase with me generally about once a month. And our focus is healthcare freedom. She leads an organization called Citizens Council for Health Freedom and they have a website at CCH, standing for Citizens Council Health Freedom, cchfreedom.org. A lot of information is on that site of which we’re not really concentrating so much about those specific things, but a lot of even what we’re talking about you will find there.
And so I encourage you to visit that when you’re thinking about anything related to healthcare provision or privacy or anything of that type. Go there to that site. Now, Twila, throughout today’s program, we’ve talked about, we started with elections and what it might mean. We’ve looked at public policy aspects of healthcare, government expansion, talked a little bit about healthcare technology coming into the doctor’s office, that kind of thing, patient privacy, practical alternatives like cash pay, medicine, the 3C model that you talked about cash, catastrophic care and charity. Yet beneath all of these discussion lies a more foundational question. And I know that I’ve asked you this in the past, but it’s important to go over it again and that is why. Why is it even a concern or should be a concern for any of these things? After all, many people are willing, as we know, to give up liberty for convenience if they believe it will reduce cost or simplify the decisions they’ll have to make or provide greater, well, the promise of security.
Others may wonder why privacy is so important if they, I’ve heard this so many times like you have, “Well, I have nothing to hide anyway, so what difference does it make?” Or for instance, or why patient choice matters if government officials, insurance companies, even artificial intelligences can claim that they, frankly, they make a better decision for us than we can do it on our behalf. Those kind of things we hear all the time. Now ultimately, Twila, the healthcare debate we know is really about a whole lot more than healthcare. It’s about how we view the dignity and the value of human individual life and the role of personal responsibility and who should have the authority to make decisions that affect our lives and our bodies. So now we’re getting right down into some of the why, but as we close today’s program, let’s move beyond the policy and politics and discuss some of these foundational principles.
I’m going to ask you this general question and then a personal question. When you strip away all of the policy debates and political arguments, which can frankly go on forever, why is privacy, informed consent, patient choice, the doctor-patient relationship, the confidentiality of that in particular, why does that matter so much and what foundational principles are really at stake when those freedoms are attacked or undermined or diminished?
Twila Brase:
Okay. Well, I’m going to answer that question, but I also just want to tell people since we talked so much about cash that I totally forgot to say we have a new cash pay resource to help people find cash pay options for everything from coverage to radiology to labs to clinics. So just go to our website, cchfreedom.org. Look at the bottom or the top and you will find it cash pay resources in helpful handouts. Okay. So now answering your question about why the fundamental principles that are at stake and why this is so important. So there are two rules I think that say it all. He who holds the data makes the rules. He who holds the gold makes the rules. So the data and the dollars. But today, because of HIPAA, Medicare, Obamacare, there are very powerful people at the government and in corporations that hold the data and the dollars putting patients and doctors under their thumb and under their control.
And so when you look at what happened, and I know you felt it during COVID, the loss of health freedom quickly leads to the loss of American freedom, the constitutional right to life and liberty. So if you don’t have the right to drugs or you don’t have the right to doctors who will save your life, or if you don’t have the right to save your own life, are you free? No. And so that is not America. And so taking health freedom away from people is really taking away constitutional freedom, American freedom, individual freedom, and it will impact whether or not you have a life that you can save or a life that you can live.
Sam Rohrer:
I think that’s great. I can’t expand upon that. I’m just going to leave it sit right there. Let’s go personal aspect now, because you’re in this space, you are attempting to preserve, to defend health freedom, those two things in particular that conflict with it. But from the concept of life and liberty, pursuit of happiness, you mentioned that, the doctor-patient relationship, the Hippocratic oath that doctors take, do no harm. The socialists argue for socialized medicine. The humanist argues for the right to die as an example. But from your perspective, what principles of biblical truth and stewardship and the understanding perhaps of accountability before God have you found to be most helpful and motivating and keeping you in the fight for health freedom?
Twila Brase:
Well, the very beginning of this country with the Declaration of Independence really acknowledged the creator. We are not our own. We were not made. We could not have made ourselves. We can’t make our children. And God is the one who gave us freedom under his law. And his law is all about protecting us. And freedom protects us, of course, it allows us to do certain other things, but freedom protects our ability to worship the God who created us, to live in the way God meant us to live and not to say all of your money has to be given away to live the way we, the government, want you to live or the way we, the corporation, want you to live. And all of your life is going to be under our power because we’re going to have the data to see that you have an unhealthy lifestyle or you have unhealthy opinions or amazingly you believe in a God and you follow those dictates.
In every communist country, in every socialist country, well, not all the socialist countries, but really in the communists and Marxists and Islamic countries, if you don’t follow them, you can be killed. Life and liberty are not yours. And so our God gave us life and liberty and told us, here are the best rules to live by. And so all of life should be about looking to what God says is the best way of doing it. And when our government starts to clamp down on our ability to do that or do that for others, then we’re losing our country. And it’s really important to keep our country and to do what’s necessary to protect the country that God gave us. It was Christians that came here with a Christian belief about who God is and how life should be. And so we have to hold onto that and not just let it go.
Sam Rohrer:
Twila, that’s very excellently stated. We’re about out of time, but ladies and gentlemen, that brings us back to how we conclude every time. What Twila expressed there was just a brief component of a biblical worldview as applied to healthcare. Can I just say that it’s because when we understand that there is a God who created, that we are made in the image of God, that life has value, that every person has value. And with that comes responsibility and ability to choose all of those kinds of things, that is where it comes from. You get rid of God, you get rid of being created in the image of God and then all things socialist, all things, I’m going to say Islamist because they replace God with something else. All these things happen. Important to understand that health freedom, as we understand it, comes right to the heart of God as creator and it is worth defending and it’s worth being able to articulate that.
Twila, thank you so much for being on the program today and laying out good fact and good philosophy and ideas as well. So ladies and gentlemen, again, her website is cchfreedom.org. A lot of information there. Get that on this program on our website or on our app. You can pick up the transcript, read it, listen to the program again, forward it to someone else because I’m sure that something in this program would be helpful to all of your friends. Thanks for being with us. We’ll see you back here tomorrow.
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