Preventive Healthcare, Nutrition, and the Role of Supplements

Preventive Healthcare, Nutrition, and the Role of Supplements

October 29, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Dr. Gordon Donaldson

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 10/29/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s also our periodic emphasis on health and wellness with another, well, what I often refer to as Report from the Frontline with Family Practice Physician Dr. Gordon Donaldson. He leads the Morgantown Family Practice. It’s just up the street a few miles from our office right here in Elverson, our studios. Well today I’ve asked Dr. Donaldson to join me again. He’s sitting here right beside me, which is unusual because most of the time our guests could be anywhere around the world. But he’s right here beside me as we kind of embark upon this emphasis on preventive healthcare. And we did a program on that on July 9th, just a few months back, and you can find that and they kind of connect themselves together. But in that program on July 9th, our emphasis was understanding inflammation, which Dr. Donaldson referred to as the driver of disease.

And how that understanding by preventing and reducing inflammation was really, I’m going to say it this way, the first step in preventive healthcare. The second area we discussed in that program was the need for educated patients and for patients to seek information and institute key disciplines into their lives as a primary measure of preventive healthcare. And that starts with understanding and reducing the effects of inflammation. Okay, now today I’m going to expand upon that concept of preventive healthcare by talking with Dr. Donaldson here about three other areas of which an educated patient should be aware. And I would say if you’re listening to this program now, you probably are among that category of people that are perhaps more educated than others. But that being the case, these three are, I’m going to say their education part of that nutrition and supplements. So we’re going to build those out, but they fall within that category and we’ll lay ’em out.

We’re all aware of the fact that US Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, has gotten a lot of attention and his goal to make America healthy again. And he’s focused on improving nutrition, rid America, processed foods and more. And it ties directly into our program today. Now the title I’ve chosen to frame our conversation today is simply this Preventive healthcare nutrition and the role of supplements. Alright, all these go together and we’re going to talk about them today. Dr. Donaldson, thanks for being with me today and it’s always a pleasure we get to do this program when we’re sitting here just a couple of feet away from each other and it’s different than we normally have guests on the program. So thanks for being here.

Gordon Donaldson:

Absolutely, absolutely. Once again, it is an absolute honor and privilege to be here and talk about something that is so important because we all want to live healthy as best we can for the Lord.

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, we do. But we all bring different things to the party. Some things are in our genes and we’re in different parts of the world. There’s a lot of other factors. Let’s get into the parts, some things we can’t control, some things we can, but I’d like you to establish a couple of foundational principles that we established before and redo this just for those who perhaps didn’t catch that program. First, would you define preventive healthcare? And I’m going to say that because most people would say, well, isn’t that part of what we always do? Who wants to be sick? Why not prevent it? But that’s not the case, is it?

Gordon Donaldson:

No, it is not. And preventive healthcare is extremely important and with myself at Morgantown Family Practice, I look, I have a focused health program also. So really by definition, preventive healthcare refers to a medical program with proactive services that are aimed at preventing a health issue so a patient can live in wellness. So this then is so we don’t have to be number one reactive to intervene in a health issue so the patient then does not have to live with sickness. So absolutely it’s a foundation for healthcare so that we can be as productive as possible in our life and that’s what God calls us to be as Christians who are in the battle for God’s kingdom here. And when we are trying to look at studies to figure out, okay, what is the best way to live healthy? What are the things that we can do to live healthy?

The studies that we do are what we call results based or outcomes based. And so that is kind of a different than if you’re doing a study on mice or something like that. Also, it is also the most cost effective way to deliver healthcare because the return on investment on the front end and not the back end in this situation is enormous. And it could save our healthcare industry a lot of money. But the problem is we have an upside down system which pays more for the intervention and not the prevention. And so there’s a loss of incentive with my colleagues coming out of medical school go into the specialties. And so as we’ve said in the past to focus on making money in healthcare under the healthcare industrial complex has been there for a long time and continues to be a problem.

Sam Rohrer:

Gordon makes me think of the idea that scripturally, we are to look ahead. We are to prepare for what we can and the idea that choices have consequences, but what you’re saying, not looking to the consequences, but just jumping into them has become really a problem. I think I’m going to say in politics and education and everything, and you’re saying it’s also in medicine in the remaining time here, define this if you would as well for those who may not have caught that first program, but inflammation, why is inflammation legitimately called as you referred to it, the driver of disease? So

Gordon Donaldson:

Inflammation is the underlying, for lack of a better term, oxidative stress in our bodies and especially in the cardiovascular system. Another term that I like to use for it is rustiness. Oxidation in metal is rust. And so when you deal with oxidation within our bodies, it causes the inflammation. And in our cardiovascular system that drives every disease process because our cardiovascular system supplies every single organ gland in our bodies. And so for us, when we find disease, then we want to look for the underlying root cause of the inflammation or the fire as we want to call it. And we legitimately want to know the why. It is okay to ask the why question. Once we know the why, then we can go to work to extinguish a fire and stop the progress of the disease.

Sam Rohrer:

And we’re about out of time in this segment here. But the idea of an educated patient, basically that’s what we’re trying to do here right now is educate people. But about 20 seconds, that’s all time we have educated patients. Are they a threat to a good doc? Absolutely not.

Gordon Donaldson:

So quickly. A patient who truly wants to get healthy and then wants to know the why and the how to put the fire out, stop the rusting. They’re the ones that we can educate, they’re teachable, and they’re the ones that we want to have on our side to play their game for them and I’ll be

Sam Rohrer:

Their coach. And ladies and gentlemen, stay tuned. I know if you’re listening to this, you are an educated person and you want to be, that’s what the scripture tells us to do in all areas. We’re talking about health today. When we come back, we’re going to proceed into this theme here today, preventive healthcare, nutrition and the role of supplements. Next segment, we’re talking about lifestyle, lifestyle and exercise. Well, if you’re just joining us today, welcome aboard. This is a program today on health and wellness. Alright, and my special guest is Dr. Gordon Donaldson. He leads the Morgantown family practice, that’s Morgantown, Pennsylvania, just a few miles up the road from where I’m actually sitting here now in Pennsylvania. And our theme today is this preventive healthcare nutrition and the role of supplements. Now that gives you an idea of where we’re going to end up going in the program.

I already talked a little bit about the preventive healthcare side of it and the why in the last segment. Now moving on here, Gordon, I’m going to say I already referred to it, but the very visible pursuit by Secretary Robert F. Kennedy of Health and Human Services in his Make America healthy again, agenda included one of his first initiatives which was or eliminating what is generally referred to as processed foods. It included in addition outlawing certain chemical food dyes as an example. And again, all of that’s after publicly listening to us. I’m sure right now remembers that. But he also emphasized the important area of nutrition, nutrition along with exercise, inciting frankly the very poor health of people generally, but specifically because it is amazing. Our young people were only a small percentage of them. For instance, our young boys in particular will even meet basic physical fitness standards.

So it is a big issue. So let’s talk about that in this segment. You’ve stated before that a healthy lifestyle, and that’s where I want to go here in this segment. A healthy lifestyle is a foundational aspect of good health and something that in terms of an educated patient we refer to briefly should learn to adopt. Now, Robert f Kennedy’s mentioned that also, so it’s out there, people generally know that. But while it should be obvious, I like to define terms, would you define healthy lifestyle and then identify the top health markers like blood pressure or whatever it is that would tend to indicate the results of adopting a healthy lifestyle. Because a lot of people say, well, I’m living healthy and they may not be at all. So how does one know? Is there a way to know whether or not you’re living a healthy lifestyle or not?

Gordon Donaldson:

Yes, there is, and I’ll make one comment. Sadly, this generation of young people that we have is going to be the first generation that is going to live a shorter lifespan if they continue the way they are than the previous generation. The American Heart Association in 2010 came up with the essential seven elements for good cardiovascular health and of course good cardiovascular health means good health overall. And then in 2022 they updated that to life’s essential eight elements. There was a change in one and there was one that was added so quickly, let’s run down life’s essential eight elements for the cardiovascular health. Number one is a healthy balanced diet of vegetables, fruit and fiber, daily and fish weekly with a reduced consumption of sugar and salt. Number two is to have a regular exercise program. Now with all of these, we’re going to elaborate a little more on them later on.

Number three was to consistently have a fasting blood sugar below 100 milligrams per deciliter. Number four is to maintain a weight with A BMI under 25. And I will tell you that is a societal problem. That is probably the single handedly major one that’s out there. Number five is to have a total non HDL cholesterol below 130. So that’s where you take your total cholesterol, subtract your good cholesterol, and that comes up with that number. Now that is a change from the previous recommendation, which was to have a total cholesterol below 200. Number six is to have a resting blood pressure at or below 120/ 80 and that’s in the morning. Number seven, don’t smoke or use nicotine products, which I will throw in includes vaping. And then they added number eight, which is to get seven to less than nine hours of healthy sleep a day.

Now what you’re going to notice about these is five of the eight are lifestyle. Three of them are goals to maintain and we certainly know that one of the best way to maintain the goals of the three is through a healthy lifestyle. So they looked at people basically between the ages of 18 and 45. They followed them for around 15 years and then they divided them into what we call quartiles as to cardiovascular event risk. And what if they maintained certain numbers of these, how it was reduced. So if they kept three to four of the elements, it reduced cardiovascular risk by 56%. If they kept five to six of the elements, it reduced it by 74% and if they kept seven to eight of the elements, it reduced it by 88%. What is more incredible is that dying from any chronic disease in those three quartiles was reduced 49%, 62% and 71% respectively.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, now I don’t think everybody’s going to remember all of those percentages, ladies, gentlemen, you can go back and listen to the program again. But the point is there are characteristics of a healthy lifestyle. As you’re saying, some of those aren’t goals and it is measurable. Again, we’ll weave some of these things in and out. Let’s talk about this area of exercise. Where does that fit in and the need for exercise, and I’m going to say what constitutes sufficient exercise? Just moving around. I mean what is sufficient exercise? So our big

Gordon Donaldson:

Thing is we just say just move, be active and that alone is beneficial. And so what we do know is there is absolutely no disease state where exercise has not been shown to be beneficial and everyone can do some form of exercise, even if it’s somebody who has a disability and they can’t even get out of a, or they’re in a wheelchair, they can still do exercise while they’re in the wheelchair, while they’re seated. So there’s actually whole programs that are out there. And so the basics of exercise is what we want individuals to be doing is 150 minutes or about 30 minutes a day of moderate exercise, which includes walking and that then also or 75 minutes of vigorous exercise, which is 15 minutes a day of that. And that can include, and I am a big proponent of it, is what we call the high intensity interval training where you go intense for a short period of time and then back off intense, back off. Another important exercise component is the strength training part, which I recommend at least be done two days a week because what we do know is a person’s strength is a key factor to longevity and rather they are going to live and how long they’re going

Sam Rohrer:

To live.

Okay, let’s go a little further on that and let me ask it to you this way. We’ve referenced nutrition, we’re going to talk more about diet and nutrition in the next segment. You talked about lifestyle, you’ve talked about exercise. Now here’s a question when I look at it almost sounds like we’re building a table that stands on four legs or maybe three legs or whatever, but if diet, exercise or two legs, lifestyle, maybe three legs, I don’t know, is there a fourth leg sleep? I don’t know. But in your opinion, what are the legs that hold up a healthy lifestyle as a way of helping listeners to remember if they’re doing the right thing? Yes,

Gordon Donaldson:

Actually those studies have been done and there are with the studies, there were four main legs and I’ll kind of elaborate a little bit on that, but three for sure, you absolutely must have a three legged stool. And so the three, three-legged stool is to have exercise diet and maintaining a healthy weight. The third real big part of that is not using nicotine products. So that’s your four and that’s really what hits the grand slam. Now with these two studies that I’m going to mention, there was another part of that and that included moderate alcohol consumption, but as Sam and I were speaking, what we now know is any alcohol is not good. So no alcohol is good for the cardiovascular system as it may have been mentioned in the past. But they did a study with men 45 to 79 years old and followed them for 11 years. And what they found was it prevented heart attacks in those men by 86% in a study with women, 27 to 44 years that they followed for 20 years, it reduced their heart attack risk event by 92%. Now I can tell you there is no medicine that comes close to these results, but for the most, because it’s a discipline, it’s a hard pill to swallow. And so in both of these studies concluded that there is tremendous benefit with these four legs.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, I was going to ask you because what you were saying there was not about the non-alcoholic consumption. You were saying to these four legs underneath where all four of them are present, there really isn’t anything better that a person can do. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, are you sitting on three legs or four legs? But we’ll go over these again if you didn’t write them down. But for me, in my mind, I like to think in terms of that because I can get my hands around three legs or four legs, but there are four if you want to consider a grand slam approach. As Dr. Gordon Donaldson said, when we come back, we’ll continue and we’ll move into the area now of nutrition and supplements. You take some vitamins. Is that good, bad or indifferent? We need to, we don’t need to. We’ll talk about nutrition, the role of nutrition and supplements in preventive healthcare.

Well, welcome back to the program. We’re halfway through the program right now. My special guest is Dr. Gordon Donaldson. He leads the Morgantown Family Practice. It’s in Morgantown, Pennsylvania, which is just a couple miles up the road where his office is from our studio here. And we’ve dealt with other aspects of healthcare on a number of areas. Before, back about July 9th, we did a program, it was on preventive health care and focused on the idea of inflammation. What it is, we talked about educated patients and why that is not a threat to good physicians by any means. It’s something that it requires, frankly, good health requires that everybody in the process are doing their part and knowing what they can know. So that being the case, today’s a little bit of a follow up, preventive healthcare, nutrition and the role of supplements is today’s focus. And Gordon, in this segment here, let’s pick up on none of these legs that were underneath this chair if you want to use that illustration we’re talking about.

And that’s nutrition and supplements because one of the first pursuits by Robert F. Kennedy, at least on a national level, has been to seek the elimination of food or food additives like chemical food dyes, processed foods that tests proven to be harmful to a person’s health and a contributor to the overall terrible health condition of the American people, which you said in the other segment, which I thought was interesting, that unless changed, this younger generation that’s coming up will be the first one to actually, they can expect to live a shorter life than the one before. And it’s because of the very things we’re talking about. So let’s go here. One of the legs that you referred to, I’m calling is this, holding up a healthy lifestyle is diet, but this way, what is the role of nutrition as you’ve witnessed it in your practice? The part it plays in developing, for instance, a healthy lifestyle and how can an educated patient determine, well, frankly, what is nutritional or not? Because there’s a lot of things out there. It’s kind of like, well, who’s telling the truth?

Gordon Donaldson:

Nutrition obviously is the generic term, but what the adjective is, you can either have good nutrition or bad nutrition, but nutrition is what is the energy source for our body, for our entire metabolism. All the cells in our body, it’s what are we feeding it to have it get its energy source. So with the eight things with the American Heart Association, that first one of diet it entails basically four of the following. Five is considered for a healthy diet. Number one is eating four and a half cups of vegetables and fruits daily. Number two is eating at least three one ounce servings of fiber rich grains daily. Number three, eating more than two, three and a half ounce servings of fish. And I would even include something like grass fed beef a week because that is really your omega threes. Number four is you want to reduce the intake to less than two 12 ounce sugar sweetened drinks a week and reduce your daily salt intake of two less than 1500 milligrams.

And so what’s important about these is that they are whole foods and not processed foods. As you mentioned, processed foods is the real disaster and these should be avoided at all costs unless it’s a special occasion. And I will put in here just having another day of life, which is grace from God, is not to be considered a special occasion. So when a whole food is processed, it loses a significant amount of its nutritional value. So some examples of that would be one that’s really come to the forefront, at least in my world, is raw milk. When raw milk is pasteurized and homogenized, it basically breaks down the proteins and it basically just leaves the sugars, it breaks down all of the good enzymes and things like that. So you have a product that is not really nutritional value where in the past actually raw milk was used as a treatment for a number of things.

Also, you have the situation like with grains when we grind up grains into flour and then we put that into bread and pastries and cereals with chemical additives, again, we are feeding our bodies with things that just turn into sugar and again are not nutritionally valuable for us. And then also with fruits and vegetables that are heated and canned with refined sugar or they add salt to it. Canned things are just in general not a good thing. The other thing is you just want to look at labels and if the number of ingredients are more than what it takes the time for you to eat what you’re reading about, then you have to really rethink it with the dyes and preservatives that are in there.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, you’ve already referred to a number of things. Let’s put it into that. You gave a list of those things which a person ought to include and eat, phage, meat, vegetables, grains we just talked about. Just put in that same category. The other side, what are the leading items of food, however commonly people maybe eat that ought not to be consumed?

Gordon Donaldson:

So let’s talk about fats and the fats that we need to avoid at all costs are what we call the omega six fats, and these would be your vegetable fats, grain fats, seed fats, nut fats that are in the oil form. And so rather what we should be using when it comes to that would be single sourced olive oil, which is omega threes, and then grass fed butter ghee or beef tallow. And those also are very high in omega threes rather than the omega sixes. The other thing we need to avoid are anything that’s sweetened with refined sugar and absolutely any artificial sweetener, just because it’s non caloric does not make it good. It is absolutely horrible and rather for our sweeteners, we should focus on honey maple syrup, stevia, and a limited amount of raw sugar. If we want to look at our best vegetables, they’re the green leafies, cruciferous all your rainbow colored ones, ones that are less starchy and then focus on ones that are high in fiber.

The best fruits are apples, pears, all your berries and cherries and the others that we want to consume in moderation. The problem I will throw in here is with dried fruit. Dried fruit can be a very big problem because we can have a tendency to overeat that and it’s just basically all the bad stuff. And then lean proteins, which are very important aspect of our diet, which gets overlooked a lot with your lean free range meats, eggs, dairy products, and legumes for the plant base and the good grains, quinoa, rice rolled steel cutouts and barley.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright ladies and gentlemen, again, I know you did not write all of those down, but hopefully it fits with things that you perhaps already were thinking. And again, you can go back and listen to this program again on our app or stand on the gap radio.com and encourage you to do that. Alright, Gordon, let’s conclude here with, alright, even if somebody can eat all of these things that you talked about that are good, many who do eat well still think that they need to take some vitamins and or supplements or whatever. That’s the other question here. Nutrition supplements. What is the role of supplements, if any, in a healthy lifestyle? Is it necessary? Is it just a nice thing that makes the person who takes them feel good? Speak to us about that.

Gordon Donaldson:

No, there are supplements that we have science to back up what we recommend and especially using them for certain entities or disease processes that we deal with on a regular basis. And so quickly, what I’ll try to do is three or four of the main categories as it relates to the life’s aid essential elements here. And for sugar control, the main ones are berberine, cinnamon and chromium pi colonate. Now what I’ll do is you can go back because I’m going to kind of go through these doses are going to be variable, but again, you can do some research on that. Now for cholesterol and controlling that, the primary one is niacin in a long-acting form of which the best brand that I actually recommend is end durin and then red yeast, rice and citrus bergamot for blood pressure control. There are the main ones with beet root extract, resveratrol, dandelion root extract, and L arginine.

And what these do is they work on the nitric oxide system in the endothelium, which helps to dilate our blood vessels and that’s how it reduces blood pressure. Then if one has plaque or calcium built up in their arteries, or if it’s somebody who has a tendency towards especially women with osteopenia or osteoporosis, then a good one is your vitamin K two MENA Q seven. And that is important that MENA Q seven is important. There are different forms of vitamin K two because what that does is that keeps calcium on the bone and it can take it out of the arteries. And then once again, for the good oil immune system, I’ve spoken to this before, I will give the big five or six for overall health and everybody, if you’re out in the environment nowadays, you want to have these on board vitamin C at a thousand milligrams a day, vitamin D three of at least 2000 international units, zinc 50 milligrams and acetylcysteine 500 milligrams. Of course it’s in 600 milligrams and melatonin five milligrams on a daily basis.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright ladies and gentlemen, I know you didn’t get all of those down. So again, go back and pick up this program because if you go to and pick it up off of an app or a site and you can also get a transcript that’s available and these things will be in there and I think it’ll be very, very viable. Stay with us, we’ll come back and we will go to this area of monitoring. Alright, now, if you do all these things, how important should you monitor it and should you be involved in wearing a wearable? Alright, we’re going into our final segment now and there’s still a lot yet to go, so we’re going to try and squeeze it in here. But preventive healthcare, we talked about that, why it’s a great thing, it’s the right thing to do, it’s the right biblical thing to do.

Nutrition, we talked about that in the last segment. Role of supplements. If you didn’t catch the program you got in that segment. Talked about exercise and the lifestyle overall. In the second in this segment, Gordon, we need to talk about, alright, suppose a person in fact does those things that are consistent with a healthy lifestyle, exercise, the sleep, all those kinds of things we talked about earlier, the nutrition, the right foods, the whole foods, supplements were needed. We’ve talked about all of that, that all of those things are done. Now, here’s a question I would have for you and that is to what extent is it important that a person doing those things actually is able to say, get certain tests done? We wouldn’t talk about which tests if they are, should get them what those are. Is it important that they know the numbers all the time? Or that as you were saying, that they are embarking on doing the right things and then know that if right choices are made that the consequences are going to be better than staying on a path that’s going to lead you to sickness and harm and all that kind of thing. So here’s that point for a person pursuing the proactive preventive healthcare approach in regard to health, what most basic tests should a person be doing and how frequently?

Gordon Donaldson:

So first of all is that to the comment, we know that there are people out there who can be looking good on paper with their blood tests, cholesterol and blood pressure and all that does not get them out of the woods if they are genetically predisposed to a cardiovascular event. Now, as far as testing the single best study, and this is from, let’s talk about James and our Bible as it’s the mirror to our cardiovascular system. That is what’s called a carotid intima media thickness test. It’s an ultrasound that is done on the carotid arteries done in about 15 minutes. We have people from cardio risk who come into our office on a regular basis. So it is available for anyone who’s local if they want to call our office and they want to come in and have that done to get a picture of their cardiovascular system, that is the number one, because if there is disease there, then we know it is everywhere else.

When it comes to regular lab tests to be done, then there are certain ones inflammation wise, and that is the cardiac myelo peroxidase, the plaque two activity test, the microalbumin creatinine ratio, and the high sensitivity CRP for inflammation. These are important to know where rather our arteries are hot or not. Then the lipid profile, which is your general cholesterol profile, but it must absolutely include what we call an apo, lipoprotein B, and at least once to look and see if you have the genetic bad cholesterol, which is the lipoprotein little A. Now for that also I like to regularly check sugar, electrolytes, kidney function, and we do that every four to six months on our patients to keep making sure that their arteries are staying cold and that the inflammation is low. And so these are the main ones that is very important for us to be doing on a regular

Sam Rohrer:

Basis. Alright, I’m going to ask you two questions here one ladies and gentlemen, just I’m going to ask him what does the patient do if there’s not a doc close at hand that understands what Dr. Gordon Donaldson just said? I’m going to ask you that second, but before I’m going to ask you this. We’ve talked about it, Gordon, on other programs from the context of technology and that kind of thing. But again, Robert F. Kennedy has said that he’s pushing hard, hard that everybody begins to wear wearables to help them know whether or not they are healthy basically is what he’s saying. And there are a lot of issues with that, which I’m not going to get into around privacy and that kind of thing. But from a medical perspective, does a wearable that you might wear on your wrist or whatever that monitors your blood pressure and maybe your sugar level, whatever else they’ve been talking about, is that something that could be helpful for a person wanting if they’re made a choice, live a healthy lifestyle and all that? Is that a helpful thing or is that perhaps get more stressed by looking at that number all the time rather than what it actually does for you?

Gordon Donaldson:

Yes and no is the answer to that. But do I recommend some wearables or continuous monitors? Yes, but that is only in very specific situations, not just across the board for everybody monitoring everything if it is not necessary. So let’s talk about the three main ones with that. So from my perspective, if I have a diabetic or somebody who is pre-diabetic, the continuous glucose monitors and sensors to get a handle on where their blood sugars are running and how their diet affects their blood sugars or how their medicine affects their blood sugars or the supplements affect their blood sugars, yes, that is very good, but it doesn’t have to be done on a constant. So a lot of times what I’ll do is I’ll have the patient, they’ll get it, wear it for two weeks, find out where you need to make your adjustments, then don’t wear it, and then maybe a month later go back with what your program you put into place because of it and wear it again and see if it’s been beneficial.

The other one is patients who have heart rhythm issues, and that is the cardio mobile device, which can be a wearable or it can be a phone app with a little device that you put your fingers on. That comes in very handy, especially those who go in and out of rhythms that are fast rate or the one atrial fib. Yes, I find them to be very helpful and with patients I actually can adjust therapy based on that so that they don’t have to be on a medicine constantly, which the medicines have their own potential problems and so they can do that and track it. And then patients who want to track their walking steps running or cycling, you can use that, you can do it as a wearable or there are also good apps out there that are available for that. And I use my Underarmor app when I go out and run or cycle and things like that. So yes, there are situations that they can be helpful, but not just a general, all the time

Sam Rohrer:

Wearable. And even then they don’t help. They’re a tool, but nothing replaces putting these good practices into place like you talked about. Right. Okay. Very quickly about to end here. What does a person do? And I’m sure there are people listening who would say, well, I don’t have a, like Dr. Donaldson, I don’t have somebody who understands. And so they’re not going to remember the names of the tests that you said that they ought to take. What do they do to actually determine? Because getting numbers and research, it’s an appropriate thing to do. You don’t live or die by them, but they do give a good measure. What do they do?

Gordon Donaldson:

So I’m just back from being re-certified in my preceptorship with the bailed donin method, B-A-L-E-D-O-N-E-E-N method. It is online. It is a phenomenal way. They will tell you everything that you need to follow blood work to be done on a regular basis. And then if you don’t have a provider, there are ways that you can get your own blood work with Jason Health, Alta Labs, life Extension and Dr.

Sam Rohrer:

Mark Hyman on his website. Ladies and gentlemen, we’ve run out of time. Hopefully you’ve been with us from the beginning. A lot of information here. Put this together with the July 9th program. Again, pick up the program again, get a transcript of it. Then you can put these two together. I think you’ll have a very, very good understanding of healthy lifestyle. Being educated at the end of the day, make right choices that are biblically correct and that is the very, very best thing that we can do. See you back here tomorrow.