Behind the Curtain: Making Sense of the Global Powder Kegs

Behind the Curtain: Making Sense of the Global Powder Kegs

October 31, 2025

Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell

Guest: JR McGee

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/3/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Jamie Mitchell:

Well, good afternoon and welcome to a Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. I’m not usually on Monday, but I’m Jamie Mitchell, the director of church culture here at the American Pastors Network. I’m here today sitting in for our beloved Sam Rohrer, who right at this moment is in Jerusalem, attending a religious broadcaster’s briefing. Pray for him and RuthAnn. We were going to try to get him on the program today, but that technology would not allow for that, but we are anxious to hear all that Sam is seeing and learning through this visit. Well, I got to carry on and today my guest is a Stand in the Gap regular JR McGee from Extreme Leadership Group, someone who has an amazing insights on foreign affairs from his years of service and special forces in the intelligent community. JR welcome back and I hope I don’t mess things up sitting in for our beloved Sam Rohr.

JR McGee:

Jamie, I have to tell you someone who teaches statistics in terms of strategy and business decisions, the statistical probability of you messing this up is astonishingly close to zero. I’m looking forward to today.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, thank you for that confidence. I’ll take that. I’ll take any that I can get. JR, when I knew I was going to be with you today, I was looking forward to talk about a number of what I would call potential powder kegs around the globe tenuous situations that with a misstep or miscalculation by our political leaders in this country could turn south fast. And seeing that Sam is in the Middle East, I want to start off by going back and looking at this historic sea fire and potential peace agreement that was just brokered by the Trump administration and since that time we’ve kind of faced some choppy waters, but what I want to hear from you today is this very unusual alliance of Arab nations that seem to be very supportive of the United States and President Trump. What is happening with that and why would they want to get behind this? Is there something behind the curtain that we don’t see or understand and should be concerned about?

JR McGee:

Well, Jamie, there’s always agendas at play in the Middle East and in Europe, not least of which is the South China Sea, which we’ve talked about in great length. The alliance in the Middle East right now is Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Indonesia, and Egypt. Those four countries are strongly supportive of this agreement and with President Trump. Then you’ve got the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan. They’re a little more questionable, but they are in support of this 20 point peace agreement. You’ve also got Turkey and Cutter. They are questionable at best, and Turkey has clearly got some agendas at play here and Israel does not want Turkey involved in the guise of strip at all. So there’s a lot going on. There’s a lot moving behind the scenes, but those are the predominant players. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, United, Arab Ants, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Qatar in Egypt. This alliance is come together because they’re tired of this sucking all the oxygen out of the room, so to speak, in terms of the constant conflict and that draws down their economies, that draws down their national interest and it stirs up their people and the passions in their communities. So it’s in their interest to try to find some resolution to this so that it no longer continues to be a powder keg. As you so accurately described it,

Jamie Mitchell:

JR, I’m thinking about going over to Egypt this coming year. My son and I have been talking about this and doing a little study. There really is a difference between Arabs and the Muslim nations and the different players and the whole Shia Sunni controversy. Again, get us up to speed on why we need to understand how that plays a factor in this alliance.

JR McGee:

That’s an excellent point, Jamie, and people don’t truly understand that Islam is very fractured. The Islamists want you to believe that it’s how entirely united, but it’s not Sunni Islamists. There’s Shia Islamist and Wahhabi Islamists, and all three of those are completely different sect and they don’t agree with nor like each other. The Sunnis are what we would consider the most reasonable and the most peaceful. The Shia are not very peaceful. They’re very radicalized, but the Wahabi typically are the smallest of the sex, but they’re the most aggressive and the most violent. And here’s what’s interesting in Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Egypt, the leadership is very strongly Sunni, but the people are divided along. Sunni Shia Wahabi is lines and the leadership may be very proactive. In fact, they’re very supportive of Israel. They actually view Israel as being a protectorate of them against Iran and to a lesser degree Syria.

But the people are not in alignment with their government. So the leadership of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan have to walk a very fine line between trying to do what’s in the best interest of their country and not getting their people inflamed to the point where they want to overthrow the leadership. It’s a very difficult position for them to be in, and they’re constantly torn between trying to do the right thing and survival. Now for the first time, we’ve got this 20 point piece agreement and what people need to realize is Hamas in particular has gotten involved with this out of survival, but what people don’t realize is Hamas has not agreed to lay down their arms and disarm, and they’ve not agreed to live in peaceful coexistence with Israel. There’s a concept in Islam called Hudna, and what this is is where you declare a peace agreement, a temporary peace agreement with your enemy, it allows you to regroup and re-attack.

That’s exactly what Hamas is doing at the present moment. They’ve actually recruited over 7,000 new troops to replace the ones that Israel killed in the previous months. They’ve also begun to get resupplied for arms and ammunition through the black market. They’re actually moving to suppress the people in Gaza that don’t support them. In fact, they’re killing. They’re mass murdering dozens and hundreds of people in the Palestinian community to reinforce their rule. So they have no intention of stepping aside from ruling Gaza, nor do they have any intention of disarming. So anyone who thinks this is truly a peace agreement is a little bit delusional right now, and Cutter in particular playing both sides of the fence in this. They’re supporting the West. In fact, they’ve got military training in Idaho at Mountain Home Air Force base for their fighter pilots as a result of this. But on the other hand, they’re clearly supporting Hamas and allowing Hamas to survive through all this when the world community wants Hamas to go away. So there’s a ton of things going on in the background that make this an extraordinarily complicated complex environment.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, we’re obviously grateful for peace, but not at any cost. Now, when we come back, what’s happening in Venezuela, we’re talking about powder cakes around the world. Come back in a moment. Well, thank you so much for being with us today. My guest for today is a stand in the gap favorite JR McGee, a former special forces member and someone who understands the intelligence community and someone who we rely on here at American Pastors Network give us insights on global activities. JR being with you today gives me a chance to ask you questions on things that I’m interested in, and one of ’em is the global hotspot that’s on my radar of Venezuela. Over the past few weeks, US military has blown up Venezuelan ships, allegedly moving drugs. Their president. Maduro has been a problem for a long time. A matter of fact, there’s a $50 million bounty on his head. Can you get our audience up to speed on this South American country? What is the history there and what has been happening politically in that country and now we see all this activity with the American government?

JR McGee:

Well, in 2020, Maduro held elections, but the opposition decided not to take part because they didn’t think that there was any guarantee of a fair process. Well, they were absolutely correct. In 2024, Maduro went even further. He held a snap election and without even having votes, he proclaimed himself the winner without publishing any vote, tallies or certifying any results. So he is truly a dictator who has no legitimacy there in that country, and he’s declared his office is going to be in place until 2031. Now, the terrorism is my specialty. That’s what I’ve worked on most of my life, and we’re very familiar with terrorists who used bombs and threats to blow people up and terrorize people. Now they’re using drugs instead of bombs, and frankly, it’s even more effective. Over the last few years, the drug cartels using fentanyl and some other forms of drugs have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans where we lost over 3000 in 2001 on nine 11, we’ve lost hundreds of thousands of drugs of death to drug overdoses.

This is incredibly dangerous. In fact, I was talking with a friend of mine last night who casually mentioned that he was getting fentanyl or painkillers from a friend. Don’t go there, but he said, well, I just cut them in half in case they’ve got fentanyl in them. People take this very casually, and fentanyl is incredibly lethal in microscopic doses, and so when China can filter fentanyl into the drugs and they use these to cut the drugs in central and South America, they import these into the United States and they are attacking us from the inside out very effectively. What Trump has been doing through the Department of War is targeting the fast boats, the hot rod boats that move really, really fast, and he’s been taking out these boats and there’s 12, 13 strikes killed, 54 people so far. Two people survived surprisingly, but they’re in international waters.

We know who these people are. The intel community has got resources in place to know exactly what’s being loaded, where they’re going, who’s doing it, where they’re headed, how they’re going to be distributed. We know precisely what’s on these boats, and we don’t want to give that out to the news media because frankly, the moment we do those sources of intel dry up, we do not want to be stupid enough to tell the opposition how we know what they’re doing. I mean, I can’t believe anybody would be stupid enough to even ask that question, but the news media appears to be perfectly capable of asking questions that bogle the imagination. So as we’re doing this, we’re beginning to ramp up our forces. In fact, the John Ford nuclear aircraft carrier just moved into position last week that brings up to 6,000 people and a half dozen ships in that area to include the aircraft that are on the John Ford, the destroyers and the Ticonderoga Class cruisers.

It’s rumored that there’s even a submarine off the shores of Venezuela. That does not mean that we’re going to attack land basis, but it doesn’t mean that we’re not going to attack land basis frankly. I want the enemy to not know what we’re going to do because the instant they know exactly what we’re going to do. They can prepare for that. They can take steps to neutralize our advantage, and we don’t want that. We want them to be concerned and frankly worried about what we will and won’t do. And you’ve got to look at these different groups. There’s a bunch of different groups out there. You’ve got trendy Gua. You’ve got MS 13 Theres’s, a half a dozen drug cartels that have been very effective at moving drugs through Mexico and through our poorest southern border. Well, that border has been shut down. Now, not a hundred percent like some people are saying because they’re still moving drugs through there, but now they’re mostly moving drugs through these fast boats, and now that the fast boats are being shut down, they’re having to go back to trying to move the drugs through airplanes, and these light aircraft don’t carry as many.

They’re more expensive, they’re easier to track, and they’re more difficult to land and get away. So all of these steps are designed to begin to choke off the flow of drugs and narcotics into the United States to protect our people. How could anybody be against trying to protect American people from those who would like to kill us? I don’t understand it, Jamie,

Jamie Mitchell:

1. We’re going to talk more about the whole issue of narco terrorism and a more broader view of it in our next segment, but I want to go back to Venezuela because now what we’re hearing is here in America, American politicians are giving Trump a hard time. They’re saying things like he’s going against the War Powers Act, or he needs approval from Congress, and really, are we entering into a potential war? What is the truth here? Does the President have authority to do something like this and utilize our military to do it?

JR McGee:

If you study the War Powers Act, the President has a number of days up to 60 days to implement military operations to protect the United States from threats both foreign and domestic. Then you also have the Posse Act that protects the Americans from the military operating inside the United States, but it does not protect foreign nationals operating inside the United States. So the President clearly has the authority to go do these things where he’s going to have to get approval from Congress if it lasts more than the period that’s authorized by the War Powers Act. Now ironically, when Barack Obama did this, Congress didn’t say anything about timelines. When Joe Biden did this, Congress didn’t say anything about timelines. Now they’re trying to tie Trump’s hands, and I think frankly, I hate to say this, but it seems like the hatred of Trump is greater than the love of our country and the desire to protect our country.

At some point, you have to move past the politics of personal interactions and look at what’s happening and are we doing the right things to protect American citizens? I think we are. These drug cartels are extremely dangerous. They’re more vicious than some of the Islamic terrorist groups that we’ve been fighting for 20 years in the Middle East. They’re incredibly violent and they will stop at nothing to make money. That’s their God money, and they don’t care who they hurt. They don’t care who they kill. All they want to do is move product and get paid. And if they can take down the United States that simply opens up the market for them to provide more customers. It’s economics one-on-one. If you follow the money, you’re going to find that there’s a lot of money to be made in this, and that’s what people are after. So you’ve got two groups of people.

There’s the group that’s trying to make money, and there’s the group that’s trying to overthrow the legitimate government of the United States. Both are being very effective and we have to react to those. This is not World War ii. This is not 60 years ago. Things today are what we call asymmetrical. Used to war was a battle between one and battlefield. Today, it’s electronic, it’s information, it’s subterranean, it’s moving behind the scenes. In fact, a lot of times enemy combatants don’t even wear uniforms. They look just like you and I do. And so you’ve got to change and adapt how we deal with these threats, and if you have to do this with one arm tied behind your back, it makes it incredibly difficult to protect the United States. And I believe having studied the Constitution, having studied the Bible and studied leadership for most of my life, the number one job of the United States President is not economics, it’s not politics. It’s protecting the people of the United States. That is his number one responsibility. That’s his number one duty. And if he can’t do that, if we handicap him from doing that, we have neutralized the office of the President of the United States, but somehow or the other, we’ve got to find a way to fight these new battles in a new way, in a way that’s both legal, ethical, effective, and with a good strategy that guarantees that we win and the bad guys lose. Jamie.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah, well, like former citizens of Cuba Jr. When you speak to Venezuelans, they are thankful for the American intervention in their home country. They’re hoping for something to happen and to turn that communist country around, but it’s going to be heavy lifting and there’s a lot of complexity to navigate. We’re going to continue this discussion and kind of move into more of a general topic of a new term on the radar, narco terrorism. What do we need to know? What do we need to do? And I think we’re going to be surprised of how far reaching this foreign influence is to try to kill Americans with drugs. Don’t go anywhere. Well, it’s always a joy to have our friend JR McGee on our program. He’s been one of Sam’s regular guests for numbers of years, and we so appreciate his contribution to this program. Jr, we thought that we were starting to win the war against terrorism in general, but a new form of evil has emerged, and we’ve started talking about it in our last segment about Venezuela, and it’s the term narco terrorism. We hear in the news all the time about the drug cartels. They are hold that they have over central and South America, but I think it is much wider than just that region. Again, educate us, what is narco terrorism? How did it emerge on the foreign policy radar and what are we dealing with?

JR McGee:

Jamie, we talked a little bit about this in the last segment. I want to dig a little deeper into it and thank you for that. Narco terrorism is using drugs as opposed to explosives. It’s the same form of terrorism, and the ultimate goal is the same, and that is to control through terror or influence or intimidation to gain what you can’t gain legitimately through the ballot box or through the marketplace of ideas. And narco terrorism has been extremely effective because unlike regular terrorism, narco terrorism has customers. There are people who want the product and they want to participate in it, and that’s unique, that’s unusual, but it’s just as deadly. President Trump recognizes once he came into office on February the 20th of this year, he signed executive order 1 4 1 5 7, and that said that these drug cartels and other transnational organizations, the safety of the American people, the security of the United States and the stability of the international order in the Western Hemisphere.

Now, and I mentioned earlier I want to go through these list of drug cartels. We’ve got Trenda Argo, which we’ve heard a lot of Maura Salvatrucha, which is MS 13 Cartel Sinaloa cartel Esco, ve generation cartel Norta. That’s formerly Los Zita, and I’m very familiar with Los Zita, Eva family Akana, and I may have messed that name up. And then the Cartel de Gulfo, which is the golf cartel. And last but certainly not least, is a real riser, and that’s the cartels unitos that is a cartel that is trying to gain traction and alliances with the other cartels because they recognize in numbers their strength. These are being designated as foreign terrorist organizations. We’re taking action against them now they pretty much control the government of Venezuela. That is why we’re focusing on Venezuela. It’s the heart of where China is shipping in the precursors to manufacture these drugs, and they’re being produced in Venezuela and shipped to the United States from Venezuela, sometimes through the ocean, sometimes through Mexico.

Now, these drug cartels also have an inordinate influence over the government of Mexico. We read about all the times when the drug cartel murder, the government employees and the police in Mexico. They’re very effective at intimidating and terrorizing people. That’s why we’ve sent the Navy down because the one area that we have jurisdiction over is international waters. You don’t need permission to interact with a threat and international waters like you would if you were in the airspace or over the sovereign territory of another nation. The moment we go into Venezuela or we go into the territorial waters of Venezuela, the rules change. There’s a lot more bureaucracy involved. It complicates things. So if we can interdict these drugs in international waters or international airspace as they’re beginning to use aircraft, now that the fast boats are getting blown up, it’s much more simple for us to engage with.

I think that the reason this is effective is because it debilitates the American people. Look at how drug addiction affects our workforce. Look at how it affects our schools. Look at how it affects our communities. It has a drastic impact on personnel, on families, on communities, on industries. It’s an incredibly effective weapon that creates what essentially is a rot inside of a culture and a society that degrades that society from the inside out. And it’s, it’s sin, and I hate to put it in simplistic terms, but Satan is behind a lot of this and this is how they’re weakening the United States because if they can attack us from within, that makes the attack from outside more likely and easier to accomplish. So it’s a three-pronged approach. They’re doing it economically. They’re threatening us militarily, and they’re threatening us culturally through these narco terrorist cartels. It’s an effective strategy.

I have to say. Looking at it from the outside in, it’s economically much cheaper than investing in military weapons. It’s safer because you don’t put your own population at risk. You put the population of the opponents civilization at risk and it’s affordable. So from a strategy point of view, it’s brilliant, but from our point of view, it’s extremely difficult to fight because we’ve got to fight the people outside that are bringing it in. We’ve got to fight the drug dealers in our own communities that are promulgating it, and we’ve got to help the addicts that are addicted to it before they kill themselves. And it’s incredibly expensive to fight. It’s very difficult because it is so pervasive, and we’ve not seen this in our lifetime. One place that did experience this ironically is China. China was the victim of a heroin epidemic in the 18 hundreds, and it crippled their society is.

One of the things that caused them their whole society to collapse was heroin. And we saw what this has done, and China to this day is deeply sensitive to that, and I believe that’s one of the reasons that’s driving them to want to engage in fentanyl. And believe it or not, there’s a drug now that’s several times more potent than fentanyl that they’re finally beginning to bring in to use our drugs. It’s going to be even more fatal to users. But China is very sensitive about their history and they’ve learned lessons from this, and now they’re using those lessons learned against the United States. Jamie,

Jamie Mitchell:

JR, you mentioned China. This is where I want to go for the last, we have about three minutes left here in this segment, but China’s smack dab in the middle of this, much like Iran feeds Hamas and Hezbollah and all of that. China is involved with pushing drugs through South and central America, aren’t they?

JR McGee:

Well, it’s not only the drugs, it’s their belt and roads, initiative, economics, political drugs. They’re learning that they can accomplish more behind the scenes than they can from direct military incursions, and it’s more effective. It lasts longer, and they can control countries once they gain access through these initiatives. China is all over this. They’ve learned, and again, this is called asymmetrical warfare. It’s warfare by means other than normal military endeavors. And China has learned they can’t really yet engage with America in a battle of the military. Our military is still superior, but yet they can very effectively engage with us economically, socially. They can engage with us through this drug warfare. They can engage with us through finance, and they’re making attacks on the US dollar. China is engaged in warfare across the spectrum, and we ignore that or we refuse to acknowledge that at our own peril.

China has very clearly established the fact they are not going to settle for anything short of being the world’s dominant, and frankly, the world’s only superpower. That’s their objective. That’s where they’re headed, that’s they’re going to keep moving forward until they accomplish that, we think that we can find a way to accommodate that and we can find a way to get along. It goes back to what the Bible says in the last days. People are going to be talking about peace and safety and then sudden calamity comes on them. Can you imagine if our financial system collapses in the blink of an eye? Our electrical grid collapses in the blink of an eye. These are all asymmetrical warfare tactics that China has perfected and they have integrated into our electronic system. All these back doors frankly, have never been as concerned as I am today and how vulnerable the United States is to China and to a lesser degree, Russia, because we’ve outsourced our manufacturing, we’ve outsourced our strategic minerals and mining, we’ve outsourced a lot of our economic stability, and we are depending on the very people that want to overthrow us for world economic stability.

I can’t think of anything more dangerous, and I can’t think of anything that makes us weaker, and I applaud President Trump and his administration for what they’re trying to do, change the direction of all this. I just wonder whether or not we’re going to have enough time to affect it.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah. Hey, we have all heard about young people falling victim to these narco terrorism’s, and we all are saying something needs to happen, and we pray that it will continue to push back. Hey, when we finish up what is happening with our once Ally South Korea, don’t go anywhere. We’re talking about powder cakes around the globe with our friend JR McGee. Well, thank you for sharing this hour together with us. JR McGee has been our guest and our focus today has been on the potential powder kegs around the world. Between the Middle East, Venezuela, the nation lists drug cartels. We have looked at a number of international hotspots that we’re dealing with jr. I want to get your read on South Korea. Historically, that nation has been a friend of America for years had rejected the folly of socialism and communism, even though being surrounded by that philosophy on all borders. But recently with a new president in place, their attitude and actions are quite concerning what has happened to South Korea and why is it happening? And then I have a follow-up question to kind of end our time together,

JR McGee:

Jamie. It’s very interesting to watch South Korea, it’s symptomatic of the world and the changes that the world’s going through. South Korea had a president yucky, and he was very, very conservative. He was in the Trump mold. He was very concerned about the influence North Korea was having over South Korea. And fact, he used the term bu, which in Korean means North Korea following. He declared martial law because he saw so many things going on in his government where he thought that the North Koreans had infiltrated the South Korean government. The majority of the South Korean government at that time was very liberal. It was the opposite party, and they impeached him and convicted him and put him in jail, which meant that in June of this year, they had snap elections and they elected a new president leg ion. And ironically, Ligi Ong is exactly the opposite of the previous president.

He’s very liberal, very progressive, and is an enamored of reconciliation with North Korea. Now listen, there’s a lot going on here. The South Korean government is trying to find their way between China and North Korea and Russia, because Russia is right there on South Korea’s doorstep as well. And they’re looking at what’s happening in Ukraine. They’re looking at what China is doing in the South China Sea, and they’re very concerned now because of the last four years and the things that the previous administration did to abrogate a lot of the treaties and a lot of the promises that we made to provide security for our allies. Very few of our previous allies believed that they can fully trust the United States to keep our promises. We had a treaty with Ukraine when Ukraine agreed to give up her nuclear weapons, and that Biden and Tony Blair agreed to that if Ukraine was attacked, that the United States and Great Britain would provide military support to protect Ukraine.

We didn’t do that. There was other things that we’ve walked away from. And so as a result, our allies now wonder what would happen if they were attacked, specifically Japan and South Korea, the Philippines, and Vietnam, because ironically, Vietnam has become very western friendly in the last 10 years. But they’re looking at all of this and they’re very concerned with what’s going to happen. So the dynamic of the alliances in the South Pacific are very much in flux. Now, ironically, we just announced this week President Trump announced that he’s giving approval for South Korea to build nuclear submarines in the Philadelphia Navy shipyard. This is a huge deal for a couple of big reasons. Number one, we’ve also agreed to allow Australia to purchase some surplus nuclear submarines that we’ve retired some of the boomer classes, the missile launchers. So now we’ve agreed to another country to enable their nuclear submarine program.

This is not just a nuclear proliferation thing because Trump also announced this week we’re going to resume testing nuclear weapons. This puts a lot of things into play, and it’s designed to make our opponents, specifically China and Russia sit up and be very nervous. Ironically, it’s also making our allies sit up and become very nervous. How is all this going to play out? Who’s going to be doing what? And with the new president in South Korea, how are they going to use this technology? What are they going to do with it? Are they going to reintegrate with North Korea? All of these questions are now very much in play, and it’s a very dynamic changing environment that I think every 48 hours you’ve got a new situation that pops up over there.

Jamie Mitchell:

Hey, Jr, before we sign off, I want to get your feel on this, and this is my thinking and why even I brought up the whole South Korea situation. Why would a nation that has tasted and experienced the joys of liberty and freedom want to place themselves under the bondage of communistic? Thinking again, to me, it doesn’t make sense. And if they do that and they do move in that direction, how do we as Americans respond to this now?

JR McGee:

Well, that’s a good question, but why should South Korea be any different than New York City? Jamie? It’s ironic that people take liberty for granted. If you haven’t had the defendant, if you’ve never had the threat of losing your ability to make your own decisions taken away from you, you take it for granted. And you think that everybody has got your best interests in mind, we lose the ability to understand the consequences of free stuff. When governments start giving people free things, they become addicted to that. Now, I’ve got a question for our audience. I want you to think about this. This is an honest question. We give food stamps, we give welfare, we give payments to people in the United States who can’t work, and we have an obligation. We have a sacred duty to take care of our citizens who cannot take care of themselves either through injury, through illness, through birth defect.

We have an obligation to do that, but if you can work, we teach you how to be dependent. Yet in our national parks, the Department of the Interior has a policy, do not feed the wild animals because they become dependent upon handouts. They can no longer take care of themselves, and they lose their ability to survive in their environment. Why do we take care of our bears better than we take care of our people in South Korea? They’re trying to find a way to get along. They’re trying to find a way to survive, and they don’t see a lot of stability in New York City. People are trying to find a way to survive in all the dynamics that are taking place, and AMI has come up with a message that gives people hope and they don’t realize that that hope comes at a horrific price and people don’t realize the price that they’re going to have to pay until it’s too late. I think that if people understood what it costs for free stuff, they would no longer want the free stuff.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yes, yes, JR, I now know why Sam has you as a recurring guest. This has been fascinating. Thank you, my friend. What a joy to have you. Friends. We live in a dangerous world, and even though we see glimpses of peace and hope and progress around the globe, we must always be ever mindful that a simple light of a fuse can set off a powder cake of explosion. Today, we’ve talked about that. The Middle East, though it talks of peace, is still a tenuous place. Venezuela is a threat. At our south border, drugs are killing Americans and South Korea and New York are about to exchange liberty for bondage. Well, to live in this world, we need courage. And so as I say, every day, that’s what we’re about. We try to give you some courage. So until tomorrow, live and leave with courage.