Gratitude: The Antidote to Idolatry

Gratitude: The Antidote to Idolatry

November 17, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Dr. Renton Rathbun

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/17/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Sam Rohrer:

Well Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. I trust that you all had a blessed weekend, and if it was possible that you were able to be in a Bible preaching and God honoring church yesterday, in these days of deception, God’s people, all of us, you’re listening to this program, you are probably in that category. We need the recurring fellowship and encouragement and accountability that comes with a bang, the biblical command of not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together. It’s one of those things that we just need each other and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit that goes along with that. So I hope that you were able to be a part of that over the weekend. Now before I introduce today’s program theme with recurring guest, Dr. Renton Rathbun about a sin which God hates, a sin which leads a person to hell and the sin which brings judgment on nations.

But I’m going to say, but for which there is an antidote, which we’re going to identify that later, allow me to mention just a couple of the lead issues, some of which I’m going to address in more detail, likely on Wednesday’s program with guest Leo Hohmann. Now first of those is tomorrow. Tomorrow a vote is scheduled to be taken in the US House of Representatives. Why? Well, to force the release of over 20,000 Jeffrey Epstein documents, and it’s been strenuously opposed, as we all know, if you listen to any news strenuously opposed by Donald Trump and Speaker Johnson and GOP leaders with many rank and file Republican members being literally threatened and verbally assaulted by the president, this vote and the information it promises to reveal is literally dominating the news and it threatens the very ongoing credibility of the Trump administration. That’s a big deal.

You all know that, but that’s going to be happening. Second, yesterday the United States actually in Saturday, the United States and Saudi Arabia filed a petition in the UN Security Council what for a vote to officially advance a two-state solution granting a Palestinian state within the boundaries of Israel, yet that’s right. Our administration did this. This is a dangerous decision. We’ve talked about it many times by the Trump administration to effectively aligned with the enemies of Israel. And what’s more troubling is that it aligns in direct opposition to God’s promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob regarding the land given to Israel. And it will and it does invite God’s judgment on American severe ways. That’s a big deal. Third issue that I think is dominating is the Trump administration’s warnings about an imminent military invasion of Venezuela and Russia’s response by positioning naval ships in support of Venezuela, even one circling around Hawaii right now threatening a much larger war right towards South.

Now, each of these three issues can dominate this week together. I think they’re going to continue to set the stage for more distraction, confusion, and a justification. At the end of the day, if you’re noting it for greater government control in the lives of all Americans, it’s very strange days in which we live. Now that being said, the focus for today, as I said, revolves around one of the sins God says is in scripture will bring judgment on a nation, particularly for a nation like America that once identified with the God of heaven, but then really turned away its thinking and feel they no longer need God. What is that sin? That sins idolatry in America? By our own words, we have embraced idolatry. Only three to 4% of Americans hold a biblical worldview that demonstrates that a convincing 97% of Americans have become idolatry and what that means among other things. And though for many professing a form of godliness, they literally deny the power thereof being Jesus Christ as the way, the truth and the life. So the title I’ve chosen to frame today’s focus is simply this, gratitude, the antidote to idolatry. And with that I welcome to the program right now, Dr. Renon Rathbun. Thanks so much for being back with me.

Renton Rathbun:

Well, thanks for having me for this topic,

Sam Rohrer:

Renton, within our program, our title for today, we mentioned three key words, gratitude, idolatry, and antidote. Idolatry is the problem, gratitude is the prevention, and I’m going to say demonstrates the power of gratitude over the sin and consequences of idolatry. But to get us started here, why don’t you define idolatry, number one. Number two, why God hates it. So what does God mean by idolatry and why does God hate it so much?

Renton Rathbun:

Well, the best place to look when we’re trying to get at the heart of idolatry, because idolatry is talked about all throughout scripture because it becomes this constant war that’s going on in the heart of man. But Romans 1 21 through 23 really gives us what’s at the heart of what’s going on with idolatry. So Romans 1 21 says this, for even though they knew God, now this is in the context of how it is that all men know who God is, but they suppress that truth with their own unrighteousness. And even though God made everything very plain and very clear that they can see that there must be not just a God, but they are aware of the God. So it’s very clear about that. And so it says in 21, for even though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened.

And even though they profess it to be wise, they became fools exchanging the glory of the incorruptible God for an image or the form of corruptible man. And then it goes into other things. And what we find is that at the heart of idolatry, you are giving thanks and honor to something earthly instead of the Almighty God. And the reason why God hates this so much is because he made us for the purpose that our chief end was to glorify him. And in doing so, we actually find joy. But when we determine that we know better than God, we know reality better than God, we are higher than God, we can determine what is best for us better than God, we say no, we want to give thanks to something else. And so you can see how twisted that makes everything where you are giving honor and glory to the thing created instead of the creator. And at the heart of our idolatry is that constant pull. And as even John Calvin said himself, our hearts are idol factories. We are constantly in that battle of desiring to give glory and thanks to something other than the Almighty God.

Sam Rohrer:

So ladies and gentlemen, idolatry, we don’t think about that much, but God does. And the words of scripture are very, very clear. Flee idolatry, do not get involved in idolatry. So our program today is a focus on this and the title is this Gratitude, the antidote to idolatry. Idolatry is the problem. We’re going to give an answer, gratitude and we’ll link it and how if gratitude properly implemented, we’ll be an antidote to that, but we got to build it out a little bit. When we come back, we’re going to build out a bit more the cause of idolatry. Why does that happen? How does it manifest itself? Well, welcome back to the program. My guest today is Dr. Renton Rathman with me here in this program generally once a month. He’s a speaker and a consultant on biblical worldview instruction for BJU press who has been with us on this program.

And we promote the work that they do in writing textbooks for K to 12 Christian schools that inculcate a thoroughly biblical worldview without and within those texts in a completed way that if you begin in first grade and you go through 12th grade, you’ll have a full academically well done instruction, but within the context of a biblical authority, not just Bible tacked on to education, which some people do and call that Christian education that’s not. But anyways, he’s been a part of that and has his own podcast entitled to Rent and Rathbun show where he actually deals with issues, challenges to biblical worldview. And it’s really designed for parents, grandparents as well where they have children or grandchildren that are in that time of life. And that website is Renton rathbun.com. You can find that information there. Okay, Renton, let’s go further on this matter of idolatry in multiple places as I think through and observe this reality of idolatry in multiple places throughout scripture.

One that I’ve gone to regularly is Ezekiel chapter 22, but in Ezekiel chapter 22, verse three, their God pronounced judgment on Israel as a nation. And what’s significant because it was his nation, they were a nation that received the law of God, they understood the God of heaven, they had experienced the blessings of God, but they came to a point where judgment was going to come and it was because of two primary evils and one of those was shedding innocent blood. The other closely associated was our theme today idolatry. In Ezekiel 22, in verse four it says this, speaking about Israel, God speaking to Israel, thou art become guilty in thy blood that thou has shed the verse before talked about shedding innocent blood, the blood th have shed and hath defiled thyself in thine idols which thou hast made. And then the balance of Ezekiel chapters before and after.

Actually to me it’s kind of a demonstration of the clear justice of God that ends in national judgment, but starts with the sins of shedding innocent blood and embracing idolatry, a theme that goes throughout scripture. So here Randall, let’s do this. Can you provide a brief apologetic, if you don’t mind on idolatry, building off the definition that you gave in segment one. For instance, how does idolatry come about? And you read from Romans one, but may go back to however you want, but how does a person or a nation move from believing in God at one point to embracing false gods and all that God hates and sometimes doing it only in a matter of years?

Renton Rathbun:

Well, first of all, how does it even come about? And that’s where we get, we go back like you had said to Romans chapter one, if we continue in 21, it says they became futile in their speculations. Now what is that? Well, the idea of futile, especially in the Greek, it’s talking about worthless or vain and then speculations is really the Greek word for argumentation what we would consider reasoning. So it’s kind of like a worthless reasoning or reasoning that’s foolish. You can even put it that way. And what brings about worthless or foolish reasoning? Because even during our commercial time you hear answers in Genesis talking about the bad arguments of evolution and things like that. But when I’ve been teaching logic for many years and what I have found when it comes to argumentation is that many people need an argument to justify something they need to be true.

And so it’s not even that when you find all these holes in their argument or show that their arguments are foolish, it’s not that they are depending on that argument, it’s that there’s something they need, something they’re holding onto that needs to be true for them. There has to be a strong motivation to justify the evil intent that they have. And what is that motivation? What we see in Romans 1 24 is therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity so that their bodies would be dishonor among them for they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the creator. And what we see is our hearts has lusts in it, and so the exchange is a result of heart lust. We need that and therefore we create these speculation so that they can be justified.

And so this exchange of heart is this dissatisfaction with the ordained way God said things ought to be and a desire for a forbidden way that we want in our hearts. And when we think about how this happens to an entire nation, what we find is that in Exodus 32, 4 through six, that’s where we have the golden calf story. That’s where Moses goes up to the mountain and he talks to God, but meanwhile the Israelites are dissatisfied, they want to worship something right now. And so they go to Aaron and say, we want a golden calf. And so Aaron says, okay, take off all your jewelry. And Aaron is the one that fashions the calf and then they say, these are the gods. After he makes the calf says, these are the gods of Israel who brought you up out of the land of Egypt. Now when Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it and Aaron made a proclamation and said, tomorrow shall be a feast to the Lord. This is Yahweh. In other words, what Aaron was doing was he was saying, okay, you want this idol, that’s fine. What I will do now is find a way that this idol and Yahweh can live together. And so anytime a country believes that they can serve both the idol they have created and God himself, they have already accepted idolatry as a norm in the culture.

Sam Rohrer:

That’s an excellent description. And of course by so saying it cannot be done, there cannot be an embracing of God in an embracing of idolatry at the same time, regardless of how one tries to convince themselves and giving the example there was excellent. Let’s move forward here. The concept, the idea that would say for instance that two can coexist idolatry and worship of Yahweh at the same time as an example. There’s an attitude that goes underneath of that that I think probably leads towards that. But if you were to identify some key attitudes that when present in a national life or a person’s life, a leader’s life would confirm the embracing of idolatry, name a few of those things. They may be synonyms, they may not be, but kind of layout a come of those.

Renton Rathbun:

So when we look at the very first human sin, we go back to the garden and we see the serpent speaking to eve. And what the serpent does is he doesn’t say, Eve, you really ought to disobey God’s command. Instead, what he does is he questions, what are the limits of this command? I mean, did God really say you can’t eat of any of the trees? He knew that it was the one tree. What is he trying to do? He’s trying to help Eve understand that she can be equal to God in the reasoning of what she wants. And so the first idea, of course pride is always at the heart of idolatry because Satan had to put God and eve on the same plane together. But then he questions things, are you really satisfied with all these trees? Has God really sufficiently supplied all your needs?

Don’t you want this tree that has been forbidden? And so sufficiency becomes this idea, has God given me enough? God is holding something back from me. How do I get what I think will actually make me happy so that now I know what will make me happy and maybe God doesn’t know or God is keeping me from being happy because I know what’s best for me. God can keep, and this is where Satan really gets tricky with Eve. He implies throughout the whole argument that you get to stay in fellowship with God while disobeying God. And when you get to that pride point and the sufficiency point where you are saying, I am equal to the reasoning of God, I know that God has not given me enough, but I don’t want to give up God. So how can I disobey him while keeping him? And that is at the heart of idolatry. Idolatry seems to be okay with sharing time with God as long as you’re giving your honor and your thanks to the object instead of the creator,

Sam Rohrer:

Which brings a logical question, can a person be righteous or holy and still embrace idolatry?

Renton Rathbun:

Then that’s at the heart of what Aaron was doing. It’s at the heart of what many false churches are doing. They want to make an idol out of Marxism or feminism or L-G-B-T-Q movement and still act like they can still serve God while disobeying his commandments. And they look very pious when they do it. They want to show they have more mercies than the other Christians and they actually have found a better God than they have in their worship.

Sam Rohrer:

Ladies and gentlemen, think about this. What does tripper say about the days in which we live or this attitude? Well, having a form of godliness, religious nice, but denying the power thereof of Jesus Christ as soul authority. The word of God is so authority. We see a lot of that, don’t we? That’s idolatry. When we come back, we’re going to move into this antidote, this thing called gratitude. Alright, Renton, let’s continue here on this. The problem we defined as idolatry, you’ve defined it how it comes about, went all the way back to the beginning when the serpent tempted eve and all of the parts that were part of that, but then that problem of pride and self-sufficiency and ultimately thinking that one can actually be God. All of that is wrapped up in idolatry. But there are some very, very, very clear consequences that come of that.

And we just mentioned some of them. When God judged Israel, he cited the shedding of innocent blood and idolatry closely connected, you shed innocent blood. You in effect think you are God and therefore they’re closely connected. But national judgment comes as scripture tells us on nations particularly once knowing God, walk away Now in that you’ve clearly identified, we know Bible says God hates idolatry for those reasons, the first two commands of the 10 commandments speak of not having any other God before me and not making any grave an image. So God starts right out with those universal commands and makes it too very clear. But God also as I said, connects idolatry to national judgment. Their fortune in the last segment in the end to embrace idols of any type is to reject God’s commands, God’s plan to rebel against God himself who is above all gods and to believe the lie as you said so clearly in the paragraph of the devil who actually convinces man that we actually can become God, which obviously we cannot. So into that comes this concept of gratitude. Why is gratitude as described in scripture Renton, we mentioned in the first segment there and then our title gratitude, the antidote for idolatry. Why is gratitude so powerful and would you define that term gratitude and then explain the connection between the antidote relationship between it and idolatry. How are they in any way connected?

Renton Rathbun:

We have, I believe for a long time in Christendom misunderstood gratitude. I think we have understood gratitude as a nice addition to our sanctification that as we are trying to become more holy, we’re trying to do a lot of things. We’re trying to love our neighbor, we’re trying to love God more. And you know what? We should be more grateful as well. What’s interesting about Romans chapter one is that it actually gives us the heart of the wickedness of what’s within us in our nature. So at the heart of wickedness itself. So this is really saying something because in Romans one, if you read to the end of that chapter, you are getting into murder, you’re getting into maliciousness, you’re getting this vile, vile sins. But before you get into those vile sins and the sexual sins and all that, if you follow that pathway up, you will see the root of all the vileness of the sins that are mentioned in Romans chapter one.

And this is at the heart of it. Even though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him this giving thanks. This gratitude is not an addition to our demonstration of worship to our God. This is it. When we talk about God receiving glory, when we talk about God receiving praise, what else is praise and glory other than the evidence of gratitude we have to our God, when we give God glory, when we give him praise at the heart of praise and glory is that gratitude to him. In fact, all throughout scripture, the challenge is who is your God? Who really is your God? And you can tell who your real God is by who you’re actually worshiping. And we as Americans keep thinking, well worship is when I get on my knees and bow down and if I’m going to bow down to an idol, there’s going to be a wooden carving in front of me.

But rather this is what worship is. Worship is what you’re giving so much gratitude towards. It’s really the source of your praise and glory because that’s what you’re actually worshiping. That’s what you’re actually feeling gratitude toward. And so what we need to understand is gratitude is powerful because it demonstrates what we’re really worshiping. So gratitude is the response of praise for the work of another. And so when we really think the work of another goes to something other than God that is idolatry. When we see the works of God in nature and in our salvation and all of reality, that gratitude is when we respond with praise to the one that did that work, which is our God.

Sam Rohrer:

That’s so well stated. Let me ask you to build it out just a little bit more. In the last segment I asked you to identify some attitudes that if present would demonstrate that a person has actually embraced idolatry and you started with pride, what a great one. That’s a big one. Self-sufficiency was one and you didn’t go further, but you could have the lack of a fear of God or there are some others that would be in there. But let’s just take pride as an example. Just go for this one right now and demonstrate how does gratitude actually as a antidote, how does a demonstration of gratitude actually inoculate a person towards that attitude of pride, which immediately when that is existent demonstrates that there is a presence of idolatry. How does that actually work?

Renton Rathbun:

Well, we have to remember that pride, what’s really going on with pride. I mean a lot of people have different ideas about how pride works and what it is. I would say this pride is actually an authority issue. So when I am convinced I have no authority in a matter, I become very timid. When I’m in a situation where I know I hold no authority in that room, I hold no authority in the matter, I become timid and I listen very closely. When you’re in a doctor’s office, you don’t know how all that stuff works. You don’t know how to pronounce half the names on the bottles they’re giving you. So we become very timid and we just kind of look to them to tell us what’s going on. But the more authority I have in a matter, the more bold I become. Now, I’m not saying that we should never believe we have authority or never be bold.

What I’m saying is pride is the false notion. I have authority over that which I have actually no authority. And so thankfulness in Romans one is directly linked to honor. Honor is the recognition of authority higher than my own. Thankfulness is not merely recognition of the goods I get from God. It is a recognition of the higher station he is in that I might become small so that he might be great so that I can show this is what honor is. My gratitude is actually demonstrating the authority does not belong to me, it belongs to him

Sam Rohrer:

Again. Excellent, excellent. Let’s go here. Many times, I mean we probably all have been guilty of this at some point, but let’s just take it to a culture wide thing. Those who may stand and say, I’m going to develop a company and it’s going to be the most magnificent, it’s going to be the biggest, it’s going to the best and I’m going to do this and I’m going to do that and to make it very relevant, the concept that says, I will make this nation great again or we will make this nation great again. How does that attitude to you reflect the concept of gratitude? Idolatry prides, so fell sufficiency, the things that we’re talking about.

Renton Rathbun:

It’s interesting just by happenstance, the Rent Rasman show this week is actually running a talk on this very thing. Have we made idols out of our politics and the people we hold to above scripture’s authority? And so this is something that’s been on my mind because when we talk about goals, there’s a time and place to have goals and the goals are fine, especially if you’re running an institution of some sort. But the Lord was even careful to tell us, be careful even saying tomorrow I’m going to go shopping over in this place or that place. I need to say if the Lord wills, I will go to this place or that place. And so what we see here are we might have goals for things, but those are okay and only if they are grounded and rooted in the honor or the authority to the one we are trying to please, the one we are trying to demonstrate our gratitude that our goals would be gratitude initiators, if I can put it that way, that I have a goal for this institution or I have a goal for this country to be more or demonstrate more honor or glory or praise to God.

Now when I’m doing that, that changes what my goals are going to look like. It’s going to change. And that’s the whole point of my podcast this week. We think that just because someone’s going to do something politically that will benefit me or that will defend something that I care about, that we’ve actually come to an agreement on something. If someone’s goal is pushed by a desire to be liked or voted for or whatever it is, but not a desire to demonstrate glory to God, we actually need to be very, very careful.

Sam Rohrer:

Ladies and gentlemen, that is the focus of the thrust of the program today. Idolatry. It is real. It is evident all around us and God hates it. And judgment comes on every nation, every family, every person who lifts himself up and says, I am God or I’m equivalent. We come back, we’ll talk about some principles to help embed gratitude. Well, as we move into our final segment, thank you to all who have been a part of this program. You’ve joined us. If you were not able to catch the beginning of the program, as oftentimes happens when people listen to radio, you may be in different locations. I know that people listen to this program when they’re sitting in their car to pick up kids from school. I do know that person. I know some of them who do that. Others are in their kitchen maybe making meals.

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Do that, pray for us as well. I cannot emphasize that enough. We’re in a spiritual battle, ladies and gentlemen. You know that we’re seeing it witnessed in the lives of people and policy and things that are happening around the world, but behind the scenes there’s a spiritual war going on where the devil himself is waging war against the plan of God and that is there. So we need prayer. That’s how we survive and are victorious in days like this. Then third thing that you can do is you can give to us, do we need your financial support? Absolutely. Do I talk much about it? No, I don’t. I pray and I ask the Lord to touch the hearts of those who are listening, but we need your help. It’s just simply the way things are. So I would pray that you’d be responsive to the Holy Spirit and if you’ve given, thank you so very much, continue to do so.

If you’ve never given, consider doing that for the first time. Alright, Renton, let’s just wrap this up here now a little bit. This has been a big topic, idolatry, we could go so much deeper, but you’ve covered it. Where it comes from, it’s just not giving God the honor that he is due. It’s thinking that we are God. It’s wrapped up in that spirit of pride and self-sufficiency and that I will do this and I will do that without giving credit to God. If it’s God’s will, I will do thus. And so as you’ve made clear, but in reality, how can a person who fears God, who doesn’t want to get involved in idolatry knowing the consequences, think of some principles, can you identify some principles that a person can would help to instill this concept of gratitude and God awareness to help us not to fall into that trap of pride and idolatry?

Renton Rathbun:

Yes, I think that there are about four different things that we need to think about. Number one, the most important one is awareness. I believe that many of us still believe idolatry has something to do with wooden figures that people are bowing to. And we feel if we’re not doing that, then we’re not committing idolatry. But idolatry is extremely subtle and being aware of when my thanks and gratitude and dependence are shifting from the creator to the created is going to be very important. I think there’s three ways that we can start developing our own step-by-step way of avoiding that. Number one is authority. We need to be intentional in our work in determining especially our biblical work in determining my lack of authority in God’s choices. I do not have authority over God’s choices. I do not have authority in collaborating with God in the choices he has made for me and what God has given me in the authority I have here on earth.

That’s how I need to start thinking. I need to think of God as the ultimate authority and any authority I have is given to me that I might be grateful if I can put it that way or honor him in that authority. And so if he is the basis of my authority, if he has given me authority in something, then all I do in that authority is designed to give him thanks and honor number two is the standard. We need to think about our intentional biblical work and how we determine my standard for living on this earth. We often take our cues from the world in what we think we ought to have, what kind of a life we ought to be living, what kind of suffering I should have and what kind of suffering is too much. And we are not pursuing a real standard from God’s word in what I ought to expect from my life.

And so when I’m thinking of this, I need to think of two things. Number one, what are God’s gifts to me as opposed to what are God’s talents that he has given me? See, one requires my satisfaction. He has given us gifts. Every perfect and good gift comes from above. And in the gifts he has given us, we are to glorify him and be satisfied with what he has given us. But he is also given us talents. And what we learned from the parable is talents are to be expanded and to be pushed and tripled and all those sort of things. So we need to be able to identify those two things and understand which we are to be satisfied in which we are to work harder in. And what we see in this standard is Colossians three, two through three to set your minds on things above, not on things that are here on the earth.

And the next sentence is very interesting. For you have died and your life is hidden in Christ. And so if your life is in Christ because the old you has died and your mind is on things above and not on things on earth, then you are going to find satisfaction the gifts God’s given you. You are going to want your talents to expand for his glory because you are so grateful, because that gratitude, like we said before, it starts with that awareness. Where am I setting my affections? Where am I setting my mind so as to set them on things above? That’s the standard. The last thing is on killing, can I be a good killer of my sins? Colossians three, five continues put to death. Therefore, what is earthly in you? Sexual immorality, impurity, passions, evil desires, and covetousness, which is idolatry. And what we find is idolatry begins in the heart with a dissatisfaction in how God told us things should be and what we want them to be. And those things will help us in our gratitude.

Sam Rohrer:

Renton, thank you so much and we are out of time. Thank you for being with me today. And ladies and gentlemen, his website is Renton rathbun.com. You can find a lot of information there. Thank you for all for being with us today. I trust that this emphasis on idolatry, what it is, we’ve explained it and how gratitude our thankfulness to God, our God awareness is an antidote for that which God hates idolatry. We’ll see you back here tomorrow, the Lord.