Domination by Design: The Islamic Strategy of Modern Conquest

December 1, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: JR McGee

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 12/01/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Jamie Mitchell:

Welcome again to Stand In the Gap Today. I’m Jamie Mitchell reporting from snow covered Indiana along with Sam Rohrer and we’re going to be teaming up today. We’re so glad that you are with us for a very special program. December is upon us in just a few weeks. We’ll wrap up another year. It’s hard to believe we’re halfway through this decade, and with that in mind, the last few years, Sam and I have tried to do at the end of the year, a wrap up program to discuss where we have been and to give a little preview of what may be coming in 2026. It’s hard to believe this program gives us a chance to speak to our invisible congregation, to share our hearts and all that we see happening. Sam, this is a program that’s important for many reasons, one of them that you and I get to be together, but we also get to let the people who listen to this program on a regular basis know a little bit more about where standing the gap today is, how the American Pastor’s Network is doing. Maybe even give a little history. So Sam, let’s start there. Good morning. Welcome. I feel kind of out of place being in the host spot with having you on, but we’ve done this many of times, but I thought we’d start by you taking a few minutes and just sharing a little bit about how American Pastors Network got founded and how we got on the airwaves to what we now have is stand in the Gap media.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, Jamie, it’s a pleasure to be with you and sometimes I’m on this other side of the microphone and actually ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because we’re going to flip this. But when we get to the second end of the program, and I’ll be asking you Jamie some questions, but giving an update on what God has done is always something, Jamie that I love to do because you cannot talk about staying in the gap today. You cannot talk about Stand in the Gap Weekend or Stand in the Gap Minute to three radio programs that God has lifted up or Stand in the Gap TV, all of which are now heard around the world. These things are things that God has done and I love to give thanks to God for what he has done. So yeah, just briefly, how did all this happen? Well, just in short, years ago after I had run for governor in Pennsylvania and stepped aside in that time of my life and civil government ceased, it was a matter of saying, Lord, what do you want to be done?

What’s next? And into that stepped the awareness that if there was a single greatest need, Jamie we felt, and I felt then was for America. It was an activated and boldly active pulpit across America. That’s God’s plan for the communication of truth and for speaking truth against into power and all of that. It’s a pulpit that prepares disciples ultimately and people to go out and be salt and light in this world. Anyways, out of that came in short, what was first Pennsylvania Pastors Network, then it became broadly the American Pastors Network. The goal was to focus on the pulpit. How that has shifted a little bit is it shifted a bit, but it has never shifted away from the fact that the authority of scripture must reign. Supreme. God’s word will stand forever. God’s promises as he gives in the word of God are always true and he never changes. And that if a nation or an individual fears God and keeps His commandments, God will bless. That was the heart of it. And then we can go further on that. But what he has done, what God has done is just an amazing thing.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Sam, at the center of our mission here at Both Stand in the Gap and the American Pastors Network has always been a concern, as you said, for pastors and helping pastors get the information and insights they needed. I always say this, and when I interact with pastors in my role is that clarity ignites courage. When pastors know what they need to know and it emboldens them, it gives them the courage. Is that still our core mission, Sam? And how has that either changed or has been confirmed over the years that giving clarity to pastors is really the key of what we try to do here?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, Jamie, it has changed some. I mean, when we began, God laid out a vision that was to really to network in a visible way with state chapters and all of that. But it’s an amazing thing because over the years, Jamie, God made it clear that that itself was an activity, though possibly good was not as important as individually or as speaking the word of God, biblical authority and connecting it to the dots, connecting it with the issues that are around us, which is why then when God opened up the door for radio and TV and the focus on connecting biblical truth with the analysis that which is impacting all of our lives, which is something we have encouraged the pulpits to do, that’s what needs to be done. God opened up a platform where here on this program, people are not on this program or hosts unless they have been called into biblical ministry.

So pastors or preachers or evangelicals or not evangelical, but evangelists or somehow preaching God’s word. That is something we’ve set from the beginning that behind this microphone is someone who have felt the call of God on their life to communicate the truth. And from that then we are now speaking and encouraging pastors in the pulpit, and we have learned that if there are people in the pews who are confident and standing on God’s Word, that really is one of the best things that you can do for a pastor, frankly, who is preaching the word and wants to teach people the whole council of God. So God has redirected a little bit, but the heart of it, that God’s word, the pulpit, that platform or communication that has never changed. In fact, what God has done here, and we’ll talk about it more in the next segment perhaps, is that what God granted here is a national pulpit where now we are communicating to millions of people right now, best estimates right now, conservatively two and a half to 3 million people are listening to us right now in America. That doesn’t count overseas, that’s just here in America based on the program. And I’ll go more in detail on that, but that is an amazing thing. So Jamie, yeah, it has altered some, but at the core it’s all about God’s word.

Jamie Mitchell:

Sam, as I talk to people, and probably a lot of our listeners are not pastors, but I always say to them, do your pastor a favor and tell him what we have in our archives or what we have just shared because it is a treasure trove for a pastor and for a church. Well, we’re just getting started. When we return, Sam will give you a briefing on what has occurred through our ministry and the impact God is making through our program. I think you’re going to be surprised, he said two and a half million people, but just wait till you find out where stand in the Gap is going. Don’t go anywhere. Today is our wrap up show for 2025.

Well, thanks for staying with us and thanks to our many sponsors and supporters in between each of our segments every day you’ll hear from a number of ministries and organizations that stand with us and provide for us so that we can bring stand in the gap today to you and to our listening audience. So I hope as we take a break from segment to segment and you hear about these ministries, I hope you pray for them. I hope you possibly can support them, get to know them, find out about them, take advantage of them, utilize them because they are a great help to us and we are very, very thankful for them. Well, today is our end of the year wrap up program and Sam Rohrer is with me. Sam, I think our faithful listeners would love to hear from you regarding the impact of this program and what it’s making. What can you tell us about the reach and the influence that Stand in the gap today is making?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, Jamie, there are many things that I could say, and I’m going to go there in just a second, but just because of what you just said about the highlights, we call them spots, but the pieces of information normally 60 seconds in length that run between these various segments. I’d like just to add to what you’re saying and broaden it just a little bit, and that is this, we choose very, very carefully, ladies and gentlemen, those pieces of information that we insert between the programs except for one, primarily just one only, those that we include in the middle are organizations or ministries. Oftentimes we have guests on our program that may be associated with them. So sometimes you’ll hear something from Citizens Council for Health Freedom, Twila Brase, she has a program on there, I mean a spot. There’s one that we run from Answers in Genesis, and we have a number of folks that we deal with, I rotate through that are connected with Answers in Genesis and we deal with various issues.

There are other ones like that, but it’s important to know that those things that we provide for them, that opportunity, we have no financial connection with them. There’s no legal connection with those entities, and they provide no financial assistance to us. We actually hear provide an opportunity with nothing expected in return to help our audience know about those ministries. So I just wanted to that just a little bit. We do not get financial help from any of them. And so that’s where, when it comes down to how the program works, it’s really you. It is you who are listening. That makes all of this possible. Now, we’ll come back on that, but let me just go here, Jamie, back to your original question. The reach, we began Stand in the Gap today. This program here began on three stations and then it went to five in Pennsylvania, and then it expanded to now to the point that’s over 550 stations across America.

Now, what does that do? Well, when I lay that down on a map, Jamie, that’s a lot of stations. We’re not talking internet. That’s a different thing. We’re talking about literal radio that you turn on the knob or you listen on the app or you, but these are radio stations with radio towers that communicate the message. And whereas not all, every acre of all of our 50 states are covered by a signal that carries this program or the weekend program or the minute program, a portions of all 50 states. And in some states it’s the entire state that is covered. So literally when you’re listening to us, ladies and gentlemen, and we’re communicating, we are communicating to people that are actually physically residing in all 50 states. So I hear from people in Hawaii quite frequently and in Alaska and then from all of the 50 states. So I’m just going to go back there. That is one. That’s a very, very significant thing. And so we’re reaching people there, but it’s now gone beyond, it’s now gone overseas too.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Sam, thank you for clarifying that about those who were involved with ministry wise. And a lot of those contacts come because we either have people speaking here and we have guests and we have are returning guests that are on just about each month. And then some of that is because of people that you meet along the way. And I can remember just, oh, a couple of years ago you coming back from a trip and saying, Hey, I just made contact with an interesting person and it may open up some opportunities internationally. Sam, I’m not sure the people really know that Standing the Gap is now an international ministry. Can you tell us a little bit about our global impact?

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, and that’s interesting, Jamie, because it has happened like that on a trip a couple of years ago that I made to Israel, I was actually sitting at a kibbutz right off the Gaza, and it happened to be in the same kibbutz that Hamas came across and attacked Israel on October the seventh. It was that same one. I was sitting in there and it was a part of the group that I was with and a lady that was there from a country in Eastern Europe, Albania actually. We began to talk and one thing led to another and she asked about what we’re doing. I asked about what she was doing. And out of that, Jamie, then some months later after she had done a thorough, thorough review of our entire website and listened to radio programs and TV programs and was very, very thorough, more than anyone that I can recall said, you know what?

We’d like to carry your TV program here in Eastern Europe Stand in the Gap today is now carried every week. And she said, you know what? I would love to be able to carry the Stand in the Gap Minute program. Well, that has now happened, and the Stand in the Gap minute program is they’re carried in two different languages. Now, what impact is that having? Well, in that part of the world, Jim, Eastern Europe, the audience is primarily Muslim and the listeners, the viewers and the listeners are, well, they’re inquisitive Muslims and many of them have come to faith in Christ. And it is interesting, the comments that I have gotten from listeners there in that part of the world who have said I was a former Muslim and I have been listening to the program, one just recently came in and said, the series that you did on Israel and the Bible’s connection to Israel has helped me to understand what I have heard for so long is not true or whatever.

And that’s just one example. A year ago, the Lord allowed me to go with one of our team, Dr. Gary Dull, to speak in Kenya in Nairobi to over 1200 pastors there. Out of that came because they run a very large a hundred thousand watt FM station with transmitter that covers all of Canyon. Some of the neighboring countries said, you know what? Your programs would be of such tremendous help to our station in helping to make disciples here and then furtherance of what was involved in the preaching there. So now the weekend program, the Daily program, this one will be heard 24 hours later than what it’s done here in the United States because of the nature of the time zone. But the Weekend Program, the Minute Program and the Daily Program are now heard in multiple countries across Africa. And the response has been wonderful as people are listening because it’s in English, it’s an English speaking country, but they want to know what’s happening in America. So to hear someone speaking from America on matters of biblical truth, it’s important to them. And Jamie, this is something that God has done. I wasn’t knocking down doors. God opened them up.

Jamie Mitchell:

Sam, first off, you really excited me with that news. I didn’t realize that our weekend program was playing over there, and I’ve been on a number of the weekend programs this year, so I guess I now can say that I have an international ministry that I’ve been sent over to Kenya by standing the gap today. Well, thank you so much for giving me that opportunity, brother.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, I didn’t do it, but God did. But that is one of the amazing things, Jamie, as we talk about this, everyone who helps us, all of you listening, can I just interject in here? When you pray for us and you partner for us in praying, it is so critical because underneath of that God will provide. But when you partner with us financially, which is extremely important because we do not have major foundations under us, not at all, people are helping. People are giving as God moves them. And we on this program do not beg and clamor. We’re not a prosperity gospel entity. We are not promising name it and claim it, and God’s going to heal you and give you no, no, no, no. That’s not biblical. But what we do say is that if God is speak and Holy Spirit is speaking to you and helping you in any way on any of these programs, partner with us financially because that’s a part of God’s plan.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, friends, we do hardly ever talk about finances. We don’t make a lot of fundraising appeals. But I hope as you get to the end of this giving year, you would consider giving a generous gift to the American Pastors Network and stand in the gap. We will be good stewards of every gift. Your gift will be multiplied and affect many, many people that we reach with the gospel biblical truth, help shape people’s biblical worldview and touch the hearts of our listeners. Well, when we get back and we return for segment three, Sam is going to take over in the host seat. I hope he knows what he’s doing and we’re going to shift gears and focus on the church as we talk about an end of the year here at Stand in the Gap today and all that God is doing

Sam Rohrer:

Well if you’re just joining us today, thanks for being on board with us. If you’ve been with us from the beginning, you heard Dr. Jamie Mitchell who generally on Tuesdays, not always, but lots of times on Tuesdays will lead this program, began it. And then I’m going to shift right now and go a different direction, but still within the context of Stand in the Gap today and the ministry that God has laid out of which all of you who are listening play a very, very vital role. So having now just passed Thanksgiving, one of the things I expressed my gratefulness to God for was this ministry. And for all of you who have written to us at some point during this year and all of you who have become a partner financially, I just want you to know that those two roles, praying and giving, are extremely, extremely important.

So as we now have gone through thanksgiving and we begin to enter into the Christmas season, I would just ask that you would we’ll be sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit if you’ve never written, write, if you’ve never given, give. And if you’re not faithfully praying, please, please do that. But Jamie, that moves us right into our theme here and that is dealing with the church. Now we’re only going talking about the state of the church, a document that for the last several years you have written and we’ve talked about on this program and we make available. We’re going to get there in just a minute, but let’s go to the aspect of the church, the state of the church. A lot of people use church. They don’t really, they say the word, but they don’t really know what it is. I want you to define that. What are we talking about when we’re talking about the church and the state of the church? Obviously it’s important to us within this ministry because we’re speaking to Christian people and the Bible has a lot to say about the church. So anyways, define it and lay that down first and then we’ll move into the document that you’ve written or talked about the state of the church.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Sam, I think that’s a great question to start this because I think people have redefined the church and have gotten outside of the biblical context. Simply put is this, the church is a gathering of born again believers in Jesus Christ who gathered together to make disciples, to equip each other, to edify each other, to exalt Christ, and then once built up to scatter and go out into the world and impact the world with the gospel we gather to be built up, we scatter to reach people for Christ and then to multiply the body of Christ throughout the world. That is it. We’re not a Bible study. We’re not a coffee clutch, we’re not a social club. We’re not an IRS signified by 5 0 1 C3. We’re not a building. We are a gathering of born again Christians. And when we gather, it’s for the purpose of building ourselves up. I know that there’ll be unbelievers who will walk into a church gathering on a Sunday, but we’re not there for them. We’re there to build each other up and then go out and make an impact throughout the world. And Sam, that is really important as we look at the state of the church today because there’s a lot of confusion about that.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, there is, and a lot of people, even as you’re describing it may think that the church upon which we’re focusing is that local building down the road to which they may or may not go. And that is in fact a part. But Jamie, the church, the state of the church is broader than that, is it not? Jesus said when he left, I will build my church. So that specificity make that difference clear if you don’t mind, and then we’ll go into the document that you’ve been writing.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, exactly Sam, because in Revelation one we’re told that Jesus is walking amongst his lampstands. It is his church, he’s building it. He loves his church, he died for the church, he’s coming back for the church. And that’s why I’m excited about the church. Look, we’re imperfect people. We’re depraved people. And so whatever we do, we are marked by sin and depravity and therefore the church here on earth is not perfect. However, it is perfect because Jesus is building it and it’s God’s plan, a Sam for the world, and there is no plan B. And so we’ve got to get the church right?

Sam Rohrer:

Yes, we do. And Jamie, that is in part what this program is for and partly why God has raised up staying on the gap TV and radio. And that is to communicate God’s word about what God expects his people to do in the church. And the pulpit is God’s design for how to equip the disciples. Those who I think mostly listening to this program are people who are God-fearing and say, I want to know more about how God would have me to live in my life. Well, those who are go to the gathering of church, we say this weekend gather together with other believers. If you’re not in a church that preaches the gospel, find one that does. Alright, now that being the case, when we have George Barna on the program, Jamie generally once a month he does his research on what people who say they are Christians do. And he would indicate that individually, individually in this country, people are pretty weak. 94% say they’re Christians, but only five to six to 7% would actually have a biblical world viewing that they really are. So that being the case about individuals, tell me about what you have written about the state of the church and what you have found.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Sam, the ink is still pretty fresh. If you touch the paper, you might blot some of it out. But I just sent this year’s, the 2025 state of the church report that we work on. And believe it or not, this is our fourth report. And each year we trend across the country, we look across the evangelical churches, all the different colors and shapes of churches, and we start finding themes. This year, Sam, the report is entitled, United, we stand, divided we fall finding clarity and community in the midst of confusion and conflict. And if I can use two words that best state where the state of the evangelical church is right now, Sam, it’s confusion and conflict. There is great confusion as we begin to discuss what is the church and what the church should be doing and what the church should be focused on and even becoming a member of a church.

One of the things that they’ll be able to read in this report this year, Sam, is the rise of people being members of multiple churches. And so they’re not even fully committed to one church or another. And so there’s great confusion and that confusion has been in some respects caused by a weakness in the pulpit and in church leadership. And we talk about that. We define that. And because there is confusion, as Alistair Beggs says, Sam, when there is mist coming from the pulpit, there is fog in the pew. And so because of the lack of clarity in churches today of what we should be doing and theologically where we need to take our stand and how we should function in roles that should be in the church, it’s rising up within the church in conflict. And many churches today across the country are in all sorts of conflict.

And here’s one of the things that the paper is going to discuss, Sam, is that there is a lack of spiritual maturity within leadership today to be able to handle the conflicts that are coming. We’ve always had conflicts, we’ve always had troubles, we’ve always struggled in the church. The church has always been in ebb and flow. We’ve had high points and we’ve had low points. But what’s different right now, Sam, as we study where the evangelical church is, is I’m not sure they have the goods to really navigate the church through the conflicts and the struggles and the difficulties that we’re finding. And the last thing I’ll say is this, part of that problem is older leadership, senior leadership is fading away. We’re going to be losing in the next 10 years or so, some of our long time ministers of the gospel and Sam, that is not going to bode well. So we give this report, we have a lot of data. We ran a survey this year from American Pastors Network on conflict that’s going to be fascinating, but to give you hope, as we always do at the end of the report, we give some suggestions and some ideas of how to navigate through and hopefully as we say, find clarity and community as the church.

Sam Rohrer:

And with that, Jamie, that brings us to a break here next segment. So ladies and gentlemen, when there is a lack of clarity, when people can think they can be members of multiple churches at the same time, and when there is a lack of courage in the pulpit, do you know what? We’ll just bring it back to what it is all the time. Well, who is the authority? Is the word of God the authority or is it someone else or something else? Ultimately it comes right back to what the Bible says about who God is. And that’s why when we come back, we’re going to talk about return to God, which we’ve been talking about and emphasizing for many years because therein, therein is both the purpose, the goal, and the answer. Well, as we go into the final segment, I want to thank all of you who are listening right now.

Thank you again for being well, if you’re a first time listener, so glad that you’re a part if you are listening and as I know is the case for so many, any listen every day except when something comes up. And then many times people will come then and come back, which is a great thing. You can go back and listen to this program again on our Stand in the Gap app or on the website. So easy to do where you can find all of the programs for the entire year. And as we move through now the end of 2025 and we are in this last month of the year, before we get to what we’re talking about, the return of God, we’re going to get into where that came from and how that is. Can I just say at this front is that we look back in time about what God has done with this program and look forward to next year and into that was the state of the church in America we just talked about in the last segment.

And that document, which will be completed, which will be available to you and will be on the website, let me also say that during this month as we approach the end of the month that we have from the very beginning, it’s a little bit of a time to give our other hosts and our team a little bit of a stepping aside and a refreshment time that during Christmas week this year, beginning here on December 22nd will be Monday that week. And the following week, which we’ll run through New Year’s and the day after that will be the Friday after that, that those weeks, which we’ve done from the beginning, we select carefully select highlighted programs for the year. So we look back and we will select programs. Many times we select them because you have said this was a favorite program. Well, we select those programs and that’s what you will hear those two weeks.

And it really is an amazing thing to go back and sometimes pick up a program from many months ago. And however, what it was talking about when you look at what’s around us today is even more real, more true. And why is that? Because we’re dealing with God’s word and that’s ever true. Now I’m just going to put that out there, Jamie, let’s go back now as we had set up, we have begun to use this phrase, return to God and set that up in the last segment. From your perspective, where did that start and why is it so important? Why do we think it’s worth repeating from year to year?

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Sam, it came interesting enough, you wrote a letter in a form of a letter, a letter from God to America. And you wrote, from God’s perspective, looking at America’s history and we put it in a video form and people have read it, we have produced it. Well, when we were watching that and listening to it, we were all saying the same thing. Well, this is really going to stir a lot of people, but what is the response? And from that came the idea that the American Pastors Network would host and encourage and sometimes facilitate a day in a church’s life called Return to God. Sunday. Sam, it’s amazing to me, this is going to be our fifth return to God Sunday. And we usually do it early in the new year. This year it is February 2nd. But we tell pastors and churches that if February 2nd doesn’t work, it doesn’t matter.

But what we tried to do is try to encourage a church, encourage a pastor to stop what they’re doing and take a moment and ask the question, where am I with my relationship with God right now? Has things gotten in the way? Has things become a wedge? Have I allowed things to hinder my relationship with God? Are there sins that need to be dealt with and repented of? Do we need to reorient ourselves? Sam, I believe in revival of God’s people, but in many respects as Christians, we should live in a daily state of asking God to revive us again. And for a church we just believe as being a pastor for years, that sometimes you just need in the program of the church to stop what you’re doing and saying, Hey, we need a day that is going to be committed to us, looking at ourselves, looking our relationship with God. And to help that Sam, over the last five years, we have picked some themes from the scriptures to help people and help pastors facilitate this return to God Sunday in their church.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, and Jamie, that’s exactly what ladies and gentlemen think about this. Here’s a principle I want to run by listening here very quickly. Romans 12, Romans 12 is a great passage. Romans 12, one and two I, you seat you therefore brethren by the mercies of God that she presents your bodies a living sacrifice, holy acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And then this part and be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Jamie, I’ve often used that as a recalibration verse, why do we get back into God’s word? Why is it important that we read and study and memorize? And that the pulpit, the pastor, as you just said, backs up and says, if I look at what we’re doing, if I look at what we’re thinking in light of God’s word, where do we need to make some midcourse corrections? However, that is that recalibration is something we need to do every day as believers and churches need to do that. So Jamie, go further just a little bit. What kind of resources perhaps are available that we can help that pastor? And again, it doesn’t have to be done on February 2nd, the day we’re designated. It can be done anytime, and frankly it ought to be done all the time.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Sam, this year, our theme is an interesting one, and it’s something you just mentioned. You mentioned about recalibrating, that we’re to sacrifice ourselves before God. We’re to renew our minds of God. You know, Sam, many in the church today don’t fear God. Many in the church don’t believe that there’s consequences, but many of the don’t even understand who God is. And this year our theme is an interesting one. I’ve titled it The Returning to the God Who is Worthy to Return To. And we’re going to look at who God is, his greatness, his goodness, his power. We’re going to look at the character of God and Sam as we do that we are going to understand that we number one better return to that God, but he is worthy of our worship. He is worthy of our praise. There is none like him. And so as I do every year, Sam, I’ll write a sample sermon that will be done in just a few weeks. We also are working on a seven day devotional guide for every church that they can download it, they can distribute it to their church. And this year we’re looking at the names of God, Sam, we want the church of the Lord Jesus Christ, to fall again in love with who God is and revere him and fear Him and worship him and understand when we say return to him, he is worthy of us returning to Him.

Sam Rohrer:

And Jamie. That is exactly correct. And ladies and gentlemen, we want to leave you on that. We’re at the end of the program, but you can’t return to a God who you’ve never known. So can I just leave this program and your thinking in this regard? Have you trusted in Jesus Christ as your personal Savior are? If you say you’re a Christian, how do you know you are? Most of this country says they are, but they’re not. So start there. Do you know Jesus Christ as your personal savior? Then what about the word of God, memorizing it, reading it. That is our challenge. And then for those who may be tired and weary, let us return to him in boldness and strength, all of that is wrapped up our return to God emphasis. So with that, ladies and gentlemen, I’ve hoped that you’ve enjoyed today, thanks for being with us. Always a blessing for you to be with us, and we trust that it’s a blessing that we have been.