Health Freedom Update: Are We Becoming More or Less Free?

Host: Sam Rohrer

Guest: Twila Brase

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 1/28/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And it’s also our monthly focus on health freedom with Twila Brase. She’s the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. Now, freedom is fragile, whether it is civil freedom or economic freedom or health freedom, although we know all of those are clearly connected. And today, I’m going to say in the day in which we live, not just today, this day, but in the days in which we live perhaps like no other time in the last 60 plus years, freedom seems to me to be most fragile and undergoing massive change once the light on the hill America was the premier example of moral character and courage and integrity. But today, the world is turning against America. You can see it all around us, perhaps more accurately, maybe we are angering the world perhaps.

But think about it, every friendly alliance that we have had, I don’t know any of them that’s not been questioned, if not crumbled as it has with Canada and Europe and NATO. And now even an event with South Korea in America, civil unrest has been so stoked on all sides that civil freedom so long enjoyed in our land stands really on the precipice right now in Congress. The determiner of our laws and policies that affect our very lives remain divided maybe more, maybe less depending, but they’re there. Meaning that our economic and civil and political and religious and health freedom remains compromised and perhaps them paralyzed or who knows what. But despite the promises to the contrary, now today, as I said earlier, we’re going to focus on health freedom, though not all of the broader aspects of freedom and most directly impacting this very important freedom of patient health freedom that which we do once a month when Twila and I are together. The title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is this Health Freedom update. Are we becoming more or less free? And so I want to stay focused on this matter of freedom. And Twila, great to have you back. It’s actually been a little while since we’ve been together.

Twila Brase:

Yes it has. But I am glad to be back. Thanks,

Sam Rohrer:

Sam. We’re glad to have you back. Well, let’s get into this. I thought that because it’s been perhaps back in November a lot of different things came up. One end or the other, we weren’t able to be together. So there’s some catching up we need to do as far. And then looking ahead, so here’s my first question here. Looking at where we are right now, early 2026, and comparing this perhaps to a year ago, which was the beginning of the current administration, how would you rate the status of our health freedom in America? And basically this, are we clearly more free? Are we less free or are we just about the same? And then why?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think we’re more free because we have President Trump in office. There are more opportunities that to change things and we see some language coming from him. Things like Biden would never have said things like we’ve got to give money directly to the people so that they can make their own choices. And affordability is a really big thing for him. And markets a really big thing for him. He doesn’t, I had never got the sense that he really understands healthcare all that well, but I think his impulse is in that direction. I wish that he would understand it better because there are big things that could be done if he did. But I also think we’re more free because Medicare and Medicaid fraud are getting more attention. All of that money that has been coming out of our pockets and going into fraudulent activities, including Medicare advantage plans that have been upcoding people and making them look sicker so that the health plans could tap into this Obamacare money called a risk adjustment fund. So the sicker you look, the more money they get for you instead of in gaming the system. But the more money that we have in our own pockets, it doesn’t have to go to the federal government for these kinds of things, the better that we are. But ultimately we need real change that won’t just last the length of this presidency. And for that we really need Congress to act.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And we’re going to get into more of that as we go onto it. So let me go into this area. If you were to identify the one area that could be other, but just make the highest one, the one area of health policy under this administration or that’s in congressional discussion that impacts freedom going into 2026 that you would say represents the greatest hope, what would that be? The potential that which being discussed now, that potential offering, the greatest hope, what would that be?

Twila Brase:

Well, I have to say it’s the bill that we brought to Congress that has been just sitting there but being reintroduced every session. And now that we’ve got a new staff member who will really be able to focus on federal policy, my hope is that we can move it forward. And that is the Retirement Freedom Act. So Congressman Palmer, Gary Palmer in Alabama and Senator Ted Cruz in Texas are both the authors. We need to get other sponsors on there and then we need to get a hearing. And so this is the right to opt out of Medicare. And then we need to have that accompanied by a bill, which we also have, but have gotten no authors for, which we call Maira make health insurance real again, Maira. And that’s to bring back catastrophic coverage because if seniors can opt out of Medicare, what will they be able to buy?

And they need to be able to buy catastrophic major medical indemnity policies that pay them and get all of the interlopers out of the equation. So that’s where we need to go and freedom. There’s going to be 80 million people in Medicare. This is a huge market. And so we need to get free from the government and some people will always be dependent to the end of their life because we’re in this system. But we need to get people out and have them get a really great product on the outside that they can have, rather than waiting for the government to ration their life away since Medicare is going to not be able to fully pay its bills in 2033.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, well we don’t have enough time probably to go into another, I was going to say, what is the most concerning, well maybe you can identify it, the most concerning policy under discussion perhaps that you see maybe heading into 2026.

Twila Brase:

Oh totally. It is the move from the Medicare administration to turn original Medicare into Medicare advantage state by state. And starting on January 1st, the federal government began using contractors to do prior authorization of certain procedures in original Medicare in New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, and Washington. And I believe this is coming from Dr. Oz who wants Medicare Advantage for all. He thinks that’s a solution for healthcare in this country. And so I think they’re just trying to turn everything into Medicare advantage, which is rationing through prior authorization. And this is another reason we have to have people free able to be free from Medicare.

Sam Rohrer:

Absolutely. Well, you’ve given good positive things that good challenge. So ladies and gentlemen, like always, it’s a mixed bag and we have to keep at it all the time. Twila, thanks for the work that you do. Stay with us ladies and gentlemen. We’ll be back and we will move into the broader aspect of Trump’s healthcare plan that he proposed. Where’s that sit? Concerns, benefits, all of those things. Well if you’re just joining us today, welcome aboard. Twila Braze is my guest today. She’s the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. And they have a website with a wealth of information on it, again focused in this area of patient and health freedom. And we try to do it every month because of the importance of it. But that website is CCH freedom.org, CCH freedom.org. And the theme I’ve chosen today is health freedom update.

That’s what we’re getting. And are we becoming more or less free? So I got an overall opinion from Twila in the last segment and now we’re going to, in the next segments, go onto specific policy areas, this one here and next segment here relative to healthcare plan. Now let me just give a little background. It was about a year ago that then Donald Trump, now President Donald Trump and the congressional GOP leaders promised significant healthcare policy changes and what they put together, they termed it the Great Healthcare Plan of 2025. Now, according to official statements, the details of this plan were actually only made official, I think this month, about a year later. Now that being said, Twila, let’s walk into some of this and I would like to get your perspective, bring us up to date on it, kind of like the umbrella of the carrier for the overall aspect of health that we’re talking about. So what changes were promised in that original plan, the Great Healthcare Plan of 2025, about which you were hopeful, which ones have passed, which ones have not passed? Let’s give an overall perspective of that and that status of that.

Twila Brase:

Well, I kind of look at the plan as being very general. And so when you look at it, you’ll see, I mean it, it’s actually kind of surprising. It’s two pages and the first page is all an introductory title with Trump’s name on it. And the second page is just four parts. And those four parts are lower drug prices, lower insurance premiums, hold big insurance companies accountable and maximize price transparency. Now we did do a press release that very day on his plan and there are things that are great to see in here and there are other sort of more overarching things that are not in here that would make it a really great healthcare plan. But I don’t think that he’s getting that kind of advice. And I don’t know if he’s ever thought of the kind of thing that we would say is a really great healthcare plan, but he’s planning to allow more over the counter medication so you don’t have to go to the doctor.

And some people like that and some people don’t because some people are like, yeah, but if I go to the doctor, my insurance will cover it. But then again, how high is your deductible? Will your insurance really cover it? So then you wouldn’t have to have a doctor bill and a prescription bill. And then he wants to have a favored nation status for drugs so that if some other in the country pays X for a drug, we in America will be able to pay that very same price. Of course, those countries are socialized medicine countries where the government decides how much and which drugs will even be available to the people. They don’t have them all available. There’s more with HSAs, he says he wants to send the money directly to the American people, not to the big insurance companies. But see, here’s where the goof is because these aren’t really insurance companies.

Health plans are prepaid healthcare. They function just like socialized medicine. You give them all this money upfront, you hope to get something on the backend. It’s not really a contract with you. They’re contracting with the doctors and squeezing the hospitals and everything. And he doesn’t have in here that we need to bring back real catastrophic major medical indemnity policies that is just a contract between you and the insurer and the insurer pays you and nobody gets in the middle that is not in there. And that’s what we said in our press release. That’s the big thing. And so even if he’s saying, well prices have to be published, well okay, but what’s that going to do if you really don’t have anywhere else to go? Because all you have are the health plans that the Affordable Care Act and Obamacare require. So I think there’s really great ideas in here, but I don’t think they’re ever going to get to where he wants to go unless he really frees the people with what we call our three C solution, which is cash, catastrophic coverage and charity.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And you’ve talked about that on the program before. And so fundamentally when you’re saying when you look at the overall umbrella of the plan itself, a lot of good possibilities, at the end of the day, you would really be saying that we’re not really going to get health freedom, patient health freedom until we change the role of the federal government, which right now is either there with Medicare or Medicaid or one of those things or something else, unless we get back to where people are actually paying and interfacing with their provider until that change happens, we’re just tinkering on the edges more or less. Is that would you say,

Twila Brase:

Right, we’re not going to bring the prices down, we’re not going to decrease the controls on doctors. None of the things that people hate the worst are going to go away because the Obamacare infrastructure is being maintained. Now, Trump did do some really great things in healthcare as you kind of asked about that we’re now out of the World Health Organization and we should never ever go back in again and bringing in RFK unions who’s done a lot of things that the change in the food pyramid, although I don’t know why the government should be in the food pyramid, but at least it’s a better food pyramid. The whole thing with the vaccine changes, people who will actually tell the truth about vaccines are now changing the schedule and telling the truth about the vaccines that are out there moving medication production to the United States. That is a national security issue. We cannot be dependent on China for our medication. Who knows what they could put in it or that they would just say, sorry, you don’t get any of it. Right. Sure. So there are great things that he has done taking the mandates off the military, reinstating the military who got kicked out because they refused the COVID shot. There are great things that have happened, but to fundamentally change the healthcare system in this country, he’s got to fundamentally change it.

Sam Rohrer:

And I agree with that. So let’s go into this. You did an open letter at some point in the past you had 12 recommendations, it was directed to the White House I believe, or the administration relative to things that ought to be done. Mention some of those. And what is the status of that letter? Anything you heard back, anything been done as a result?

Twila Brase:

Well, sometimes we hear back from the White House and sometimes we don’t. And thus far we have not heard back from the White House yet. But it takes a while to actually get into their hands. So the things that we had in there are some of the things I’ve talked about today. First, no extension of the Obamacare subsidies and we’re glad that nobody is actually doing that. And then real insurance tax equity for workers, why don’t workers get the same tax benefit as employers? And then they could have their own health insurance, catastrophic major medical insurance, bring it back and then have them get it and they could move anywhere they wanted to with their insurance, never having to deal with medical bankruptcies that happen when your insurance is through your work and then you can’t work and then now you don’t have insurance and you break.

I mean it’s just like why don’t people own their own insurance? Let’s help that to happen. Restoring physician owned hospitals, giving cash to seniors to buy real insurance, restoring privacy rights. So we get all the controllers out of the exam rooms and freeing the health savings accounts so everyone can have it, not just somebody who is part of a health insurance, sorry, a health plan, stay at home moms, all sorts of people that aren’t even working. All of those should be able to have a health savings account. We give them for one, we should give them for all and they should not be connected to a health plan. So those are some of the things that we said. We also sent a letter of 15 questions to President Trump, which we know has landed in the hands of HHS because people have directly delivered it for us. Questions to ask the health plans because President Trump says he’s going to have a meeting with 14 health plans. So we gave him a really great list of questions. So we’ll see what happens there.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, that’s great. Lemme just ask you one direct question here, and it may be obvious, but I’d like to hear what you say on it. When it comes to the fundamental shift of getting government’s role minimized and the individual, going back to the cash interaction with the doc and so forth as you’re talking about what is the greatest impediment for that happening right now? Is it the powers that be, name them if they are? Or is it the fact that there’s not enough house or Senate members who understand the benefit of going back to what used to work and work? Well,

Twila Brase:

My guess is it has a lot to do with money. It often does. The health plans are and the healthcare systems are and the pharmaceutical companies are the biggest funders of their campaigns. And so I think that they have a lot of power within the halls of, and then I think there is a bunch of people who have no idea what’s going on and they sort of like it that way. They just look to the so-called healthcare leaders and whatever they say, the others just follow along. I think they can’t see it, which is part of why we’re going to have a big campaign on the three C solution because we need people to see this vision. Either this, we go back to what worked, what was affordable, what was patient-centered, what was ethical and excellent, or we go into socialize medicine and we lose everything.

Sam Rohrer:

So you’re saying, and again we’ve talked about it Twila, you and I have talked about it before, and that is that you have that part that puts the patient with the doc, that relationship established and you preserve it, the cash part, the insurance, real insurance does that. Or the other is government involvement, which makes a lot of people wealthy, a lot of people rich, a lot of big entities, rich, but ends up in well socialized medicine, yes, but rationing of care and ultimately people don’t get any care. So ladies and gentlemen, that’s really not oversimplifying it too much, that’s really about what it is and you’ve got to go one or the other, but you can see why it’s so difficult to go to where we need to go, where we once were, but it’s not for a lack of vision. And Twila, thanks for the work you do.

When we come back, we’re going to move into hospital healthcare and the status and things that are happening in that area. Well, one of the greatest threats to patient health freedom has been some things we’ve already been referring to. Anything that gets in the way of a doctor and patient relationship where that doc is unable to actually deal with you as a person and practice his Hippocratic oath. And for you and I as a patient to be able to get more than two minutes with the doc, you know what I’m talking about? There are things that have come in to try and separate that many things and we’ve touched on some of those. But one of them has been costs that have been imposed on independent doctor practices, whether there were independent docs, maybe three or four in a practice. And I saw it when I was in the house years ago, Pennsylvania House years ago.

It was a battle. It’s been a battle been going on for a long time where it becomes ever increasingly impossible for an independent practice to be able to survive because the insurance companies, government involvement some degree and however it’s all arranged in there, just cut back the reimbursements for the doctors. And lo and behold, now it’s no longer profitable and out of survival mode. Hospital stepped in and bought the practices of the physicians. So now the hospitals own the doctors. The doctors are no longer independent, they work for a hospital and all of that. So I’m just saying some of those things you throw into all of that things we’ve been talking about, the government programs like Medicare and Medicaid and all those kinds of things that factor into it and how things work. And lo and behold, now you have big hospitals, but you have very few independent docs that you can go to. So that didn’t make the case Twila. Add to that, anything if you want to or change all or what I’ve said there, but this is what I’d like you to do, update our listeners on any hospital related policy changes, good or not good, that are impacting health freedom. And people were listening, one of the last breaks was your minute spot, your freedom spot where you actually talked about hospitals. So anyways, step into this one because this is a big area.

Twila Brase:

Yes, I think a lot of people, particularly in rural areas are seeing their hospitals disappear. And this all has to do with government policy, third party payments. That’s the problem with our healthcare system today. Third party payment, we aren’t paying our own bills. And so all of those interlopers, which are costing more money than the whole entire system has to even cost. So that’s one thing. I believe last year, 33 hospitals closed and there were years before where a hundred hospitals closed. Lots of them are the smaller hospitals. I know the Trump administration is trying to figure out how to keep these smaller hospitals open. So that’s one thing. Another thing is the ACOs, accountable care organizations from the Affordable Care Act. And when you said that the hospital came in and bought the physicians, part of the reason the hospital came in and bought the physicians is because this is a kickback program to the hospitals.

If they control the dollars and if they save the government money, then they can get part of the savings back. So if they own the physicians, the physicians will not provide care outside of what their employer wants them to provide and therefore the hospital can save money and get a kickback from the government. And interestingly enough, the law says that this particular kickback is outside of the anti-kickback statute, so they protected it from our anti-kickback laws. Another thing is that more and more hospitals are refusing Medicare advantage, which is a good thing and Mayo Clinic is doing it as well. But some hospitals are deciding to create their own Medicare advantage programs so they can essentially control what the prices are. They aren’t waiting for a health plan to tell them they will or will not get paid for a procedure that they do. And some patients are choosing to enroll in the Medicare Advantage program of the hospital because then they know they won’t lose their hospital.

And then the last thing that I’ll say is what’s happening right now in the appropriations bill, and we have this on our website at the top and we’re asking people to engage. It’s a tiny little section that is there about organ procurement organizations and it encourages the integration of the data systems of hospitals, transplant centers and organ procurement organizations, which we call OPOs. So it would have automatic release of the names and information of patients who might be potential donors. So that would just get automatically released to these organ procurement organizations without nurse or family or doctor or anyone decided to talk with the family about this possibility. But not only that, the legislation says that they’re essentially requesting that the OPOs, these organ procurement organizations get direct access to the remote access to the medical records of these potential donors. So essentially they’ll be like Hawks watching the progress from afar.

Is the patient getting better, are they getting worse? And none of this with patient consent. HIPAA allows us, but it’s not been done because I think people can see how unethical it is. And doctors and nurses and families have all talked now this is just sending all the data to these organizations and saying, get ready. This person might die, is really bad. And so this is up for a vote on the Senate floor. There’s already been two votes to sort of get it to the point of the big vote. And so people can just go to our website, CCH freedom.org, and at the top there’s these slides that go around and one of them has to do with this issue and you just click, it sends you to a place where it’s really easy. We’ve got pre messages for you to just pick from and you put in your state and then that sends those messages directly to those senators from your neck of the woods. You can contact them any way you want, but we just made it really easy. So cc h freedom.org, top of the page, one of those slides that goes around to the top of the page and just click and send.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, that’s great. Twila. And I want to go to have you explain some more of what you had mentioned in your spot about some of these new hospitals. But just one quick question on those. If somebody gets identified as being a potential organ donor, sounds to me what you’re describing, they go onto some select hit list because somebody makes a lot of money when you sell an organ or of that type, where are these regulations coming from that permit that

Twila Brase:

Well the regulation is HIPAA and so that allows this kind of data sharing. It’s just not been done digitally, automatically like they’re flagged. This is something in their records seems to make it think like they’re dying. And so a flag gets put on the data just gets automatically transferred to these organizations. And then if the hospital allows, the portal gets open and the organization can just watch what happens 24 7

Sam Rohrer:

By looking into the

Twila Brase:

Medical records.

Sam Rohrer:

So it’s the private data part of it. And again, we’re back to HIPAA, which people think is a protector of their data is actually the purveyor in the net through which private data is being released. That’s what you’re saying in part

Twila Brase:

That’s right. And I don’t know who pushed for this, but my guess is that the organ procurement organizations want this and I’m guessing that they push for it. The bill says encourage this integration of data. It doesn’t say mandate because HIPAA allows it already. So it’s like they’re putting it into the law, they want to put it into the law so that it protects these Oregon procurement organizations and the hospitals from any kind of lawsuits when patients and parents and family members and loved ones figure out that this has been, they’ve been watching over them waiting at the door without their consent even knowing that this was happening.

Sam Rohrer:

There you go. Special interest treatment. That’s what we’re seeing. Again,

Twila Brase:

This is the time to act.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Alright. About two minutes left in this segment. What are some of these hospitals? Tell me some more about what they’re doing good things evidently what they’re doing.

Twila Brase:

Yeah, these hospitals I talked about in the health freedom minute that you heard there, you can go to Nutex Healthcare, N-U-T-E-X healthcare. It’s owned by 600 doctors and they basically have four to 10 hospital beds. It’s mostly like we’re doing procedures for the emergency room, some minor surgical procedures. So it’s not long-term, but it is a hospital. So there’s like, okay, ER in hospital, that’s Oklahoma, right? It’s in Oklahoma City, I believe there’s Green Bay ER in hospital and there’s another, I don’t know if it’s Milwaukee, I think Milwaukee ER in hospital. So in the minute I said there were 11 states, but I checked this morning, there are 13 states and they also have some clinics. And so there’s really short waits for care. And under the surprise, the no surprises act you come in because it’s an er, right? So according to their websites, you should not be required to pay. There should be no balance billing. It should be only your co-insurance, your copay, and the other one deductible, right? So anyway, it’s a brand new thing that it’s not brand new. It’s like it’s really growing. Now it’s to our notice that this thing exists and I would look for one in your area and check out the website for these and see the payment structure is different, but we’re still looking into what it is. But we know from hearing a physician talk about it that it’s a different payment structure

Sam Rohrer:

And all of that sounds excellent. And ladies and gentlemen, just be aware, just the purpose for the program, update status, update on different aspects of policy or programs or new entities like these hospitals that are popping up that actually encourage and contribute to patient freedom. And again, that’s why we do the programs and that’s Twila’s why you do what you do. Now when we come back, we’re going to have Twila update us on some of the latest on something we’ve been talking about for a very, very, very long time. And that is the real id. And of course it’s involved in far more than anything connected to healthcare, but it’s all a part of and wrapped up in freedom and it does affect and impact health freedom. We’ll give an update and a status update on this when we come back in just a bit. Well, as we go into our final segment, Twila, before we go to real id, is there anything else at this point on this whole little larger matter of health policy that we’re talking about that you would like to give just a bit of a status update on before we go and conclude here? With the matter of real id?

Twila Brase:

I think things are moving kind of fast and there might be different things that will come up, but I think that the importance of what’s going on with real ID right now behooves to use the time that remains for me to explain.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, then let’s go right into that. Because one of the things that has happened, the administration, and again for all the good things have been done, one of the things that bothers me greatly is the fact that they continue to push and push harder in some respects than previous administrations when it comes to surveillance biometrics, real ID and specifics. And now imposing a $45 fine for people who go to airports and if they don’t have a real ID or a passport, maybe there’s something else, but at least those two, then they issue them a fine. So this is a very, I’m going to say effective way, but it’s an underhanded way in my opinion of trying to force through a mandate that people don’t want. But anyways, update on if you put a lot out on it, what’s actually happening with administration in regard to actually trying to make real ID mandatory. And then why the push?

Twila Brase:

I think that the push all has to do with Secretary Christine Nome and she’s decided to wholeheartedly embrace Biden’s and Obama’s plan to get all of us into this national ID system because real ID is the nationalization of identification and it’s building a national facial recognition system because you have to have a biometric at least of the face. But the rule says they could add other things like IRIS scans or fingerprints or even DNA is considered a biometric. So I think within their safety, security of the border, all of that, they’re pushing this and they’re trying to get all of us into it. I believe the plan is bigger, maybe even than Christie knows. That comes with what the law says because the law says this won’t necessarily stop at flight. It is an open-ended law allowing the homeland security to decide that we have to have a real ID in order to have healthcare or in order to buy a gun or to go to college or to go get milk at the grocery store or whatever it is that they would decide that we have to have it for.

And that’s not even stretching because when they created a national ID in India, some of the systems did not recognize some of the people who held the cards and 24 people died because they couldn’t get food and who knows how many more people died. But that was one news report. So when the federal government is in control, potentially in control of all your life, maybe not through the Trump administration, but what if it was an AOC administration or a Gavin Newsom administration where they want to keep you in your 15 minute cities and they would use this soon to be digital, that they want to digitize it, they want to put it on your phone, they want to have remote access to it. So then they would be able to see when you left your 15 minute city and then they could carbon credit tax you for what you’re doing.

And so people will have to see this. And I don’t know that President Trump even understands what this is. I think he’s probably just taking Kristi Noem’s word for it that this is important. He doesn’t understand what it really is. So now the desperation, they put out a progressive enforcement rule in January of 2025, so it’s been a year. Then they said you had to have it to fly on May 7th and everybody figured out, well that wasn’t true. And they even knew it wasn’t true because it was a two year progressive enforcement. So they lied. And then now five days before Thanksgiving, the biggest travel day of the year, they put out a notice suddenly out of nowhere and they say it’s going to be $18 in order to fly if you don’t have a real id. And they claimed that they had statutory authority to do this from a statute that allows them to create traveler programs.

So they’re calling this a traveler program, but it’s not a program, it’s a penalty. The traveler programs that we have are like TSA pre-check, which is $80 for five years or global entry, which is $120 and it lasts for five years. This is $45 and it lasts for 10 days. This is a penalty. So if you have a two week trip and you don’t have a real ID or other acceptable id, then you’re going to have to pay it coming and going. You’re going to have to go into a special line, you’re going to be biometrically screened, biographically screened. They don’t promise it, you’ll even make your plane. They’re trying to scare you into compliance. And so we are going to have a webinar on Friday at 10 o’clock central to tell people, can you fly without real ID to tell them that? Yes. And here are the stipulations and here’s what you need to do and here’s how it’s going to work if you don’t have one.

And the TSA, if you go onto their website, everybody should go onto their website and see how they’ve got all these alerts. They’ve got a place you can pay in advance, but they really, they want everybody in the real id. They want to digitize it. And eventually I think they want to move where the company that they’re using wants to move emia $46 million contract with TSA. They want augmented authentication, which means your body is your id. So the government has claimed a right to collect and catalog the coordinates of your body for its control is so unconstitutional from every angle that you can think, this is why we’re calling them the American people to give up their real IDs if they had them go back to a standard driver’s license, thwart their efforts, do not look into the camera at TSA, which is teaching their computers how to recognize you in whatever way that you are if they get this national facial recognition system going because of real id.

So we’re trying to thwart them and we’re asking everybody to, if you have to pay the fine, but it’s better for you, get the passport. Get the passport card. Are you in the military? Use the military id. There’s 16 IDs that work. But whatever you do, do not, do not get the real ID and get rid of it if you have it. And of course you can go to refuse real id.org and you can find all sorts of information there. We have a brand new updated page. We’ve now got two maps, one that shows all the people who are registering to say that they switched back to the state driver’s license and wanted to say that they tried and they weren’t allowed to switch. And what’s interesting about that app, what’s interesting is that some people in the same state got it, made the switch and other people refused, which means since there’s no law in that state saying that you can’t have a real id, there are rogue DMV agents and people are running into them and they’re just deciding you can’t switch, they don’t want to switch you, you can’t switch, you don’t know any different that you can.

And so they’re just saying, Nope, you can’t. So these two maps are going to show how rogue DMV agents and agencies are around the country.

Sam Rohrer:

And Twila, thanks for the work that you’re doing on that. Ladies and gentlemen, this has been an effort for a long time, the effort by government around world to move into biometrics, forcing people into a government card of some type. Show me your papers concept. It goes way back. This has been happening. This is unfortunately something that the administration, despite everything else, is pushing hard and pushing people into it. But it is that now you have your webinar, go to CCH freedom.org, CCH freedom.org, and if you are interested, you can be a part of that webinar. That information is there and that is on this Friday that you’re going to hold it while two days from now, I think on the 30th. So anyways, thank you for being with me today. Always a lot of information and ladies and gentlemen, will back and listen to the program again. You can find it on the app, stand on the Gap or on Stand on the gap radio.com. And if you find it valuable, forward it to a friend so that they can also know. Well, thanks for being with us and willing. See you all back here tomorrow.