With Israel – Everything’s Complicated

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Chris Katulka

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 2/4/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And this is also our bimonthly emphasis on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. Now, my return special guest today, and he’s generally with me at least once per month, is Chris Katulka. He’s the Vice President of North American Ministries of the Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, and he also hosts the Friends of Israel Today radio program. They have a website, and I’ll give this a couple of times during the program is Israel my glory.org. Now, because our focus on this bimonthly emphasis is Israel and because in nearly every aspect of headline news you can find today, there is almost some Israel connection. So the title I’ve chosen to frame our discussion today is this, with Israel, everything’s Complicated, and I chose that title because the first several times I visited Israel, my wife, and I’ve been there many times now, but some of the first times, the locals and the guides that we engaged used the same phrase to preface their answers to certain questions we ask.

And then they said in Israel, everything is complicated and indeed I think it is, as well as addressing the domestic and global issues, everything around us seemingly complicated today. Yet I will say upfront in the end that knowing scripture, starting with the word of God and ending with the word of God, that alone can bring clarity from the confusing and greater simplicity to the seemingly complicated. That’s a fact, and that’s why we always go there, start and stop on this program. Now today, Chris, and I’m going to touch on some key issues and seek to bring some clarity including these areas, the Gaza Trump Board of Peace, where it is headed. A lot of things have happened since Chris and I were together again back in January. You got the potential war with Iran, then you’ve got the continued rise of antisemitism, and then we’re going to conclude with one that may surprise you perhaps, but what to make of the myriad of connections to Israel, to the Mossad and to world leaders and the voluminous evidence of complicated connections as revealed in the Epstein files. Now, that’s a big one, and we’re not going to spend a lot on this issue, but we’re going to make some connections on that. We’ll do that in the final segment. And with that, Chris, welcome back to the program today. It’s always great to have you here,

Chris Katulka:

Sam. I’m sitting here laughing as you talk about that your friends in Israel said In Israel, everything is complicated because I’ve lived through that too, and there’s a word for it in Hebrew. I want to teach it to you. That’s what a good Israeli would tell you. Everything’s complicated, crazy. So I’ll leave it there, but I’m glad to be on the program.

Sam Rohrer:

I’m glad you’re here, and I know that we’re not going to contribute to complication. We’re going to try and solve some of that. But let’s go here. First of all, on the Board of Peace, last time you and I were together, things have happened since then. You gave some thoughts with what we knew at that point. But back on January 22nd, just a short time ago at the World Economic Forum in Davos, the president actually officially launched the Board of Peace. Since then, he has invited in over 50 different people, including the Pope, including Vladimir Putin, and a host of people that have raising all kinds of questions and have actually taken on his own extended the mission to not be just Gaza, but engaging the whole globe in matters of peace and war. So it’s kind of like, wow, what in the world is happening? So very clearly, Donald Trump and Jared Kushner, who put the thing together have bigger plans for world involvement than just the Gaza. So here’s the question. From a Prophetical perspective, however you look at it, how do you see this board of peace unfolding?

Chris Katulka:

Yeah, I always am careful when it comes to biblical prophecy and how we understand what’s going on from the newspapers to what the scriptures teach. I always like to preface this Sam and say that the one thing that makes all of this very unique in our time is that Israel is back in the land since 1948. And so this does change the dynamic. It gives us an ability to cease with some clarity what takes place after Ezekiel chapter 37, as the dry bones are coming back to life. So it gives us some more clarity. But I do want to say to your listeners, I’d like to speak with humility toward these things. So whatever I’m saying, I’m saying with humility, knowing this might not be the way it turns out, but I see that pieces are moving according to what Daniel seven verses seven through eight, kind of give us a picture of this 10 nation confederacy all built around essentially Daniel’s passion and heart to know what’s going to happen to my people and what’s going to happen to the land of Israel, the Jewish people, and the land of Israel, and the promise that you made to us.

And so all of these visions that he’s receiving, especially in Daniel two and Daniel seven, give us Daniel a picture of all of the empires of the world until finally God’s empire or God’s kingdom is the one that rules over all. But in the midst of that, in Daniel chapter seven, verses seven and eight, it talks about a 10 nation Confederacy that one horn kind of pops out of in that moment. And so when I see the events that are taking place, again, this is why we have to be careful because this is the way people felt when they saw the un rise up and become an influential body politic in the international world after World War ii. And now it’s almost like what we’re seeing with this Board of peace is almost like a sidestep of the UN with Donald Trump taking control of what seems like anything. This board of Peace, as you had mentioned, the document of the Board of Peace, has no mention of Gaza, has no mention of Israel. This can kind of move wherever he wants it to move. But Israel is definitely in, Gaza is definitely the first place that he’s planting himself for this. So I kind of see, I don’t necessarily see a big horn popping up yet, but this could be a place where a big horn, or I’m sorry a little horn

Does pop up in the midst of other nations.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And I think you handled that. I mean, I think that was just great, great wisdom in response to that because we cannot, no one should with great definitiveness say, yes, this is exactly what’s happening. But you can’t deny the things that you just said because there are 10 nations that is assigned to help on that whole thing and everything. But here’s a quick one. Another aspect of this is that so many, or if not most of those that are being asked to participate on this board are not friends of Israel. They’re actually enemies. What do you make of that?

Chris KatKatulka:

Yeah, this is the big problem. I mean, I think if you ask any Israelis, they’ll say exactly what you said. This is Bala gun. This is a complicated number. One. Last month, Sam Israel’s last hostage was returned. His body was returned to the land of Israel, which means all Israeli hostages, the 250 that were taken on October 7th, 2023 were returned. But I think what’s happening is interesting. I actually feel like even though Israel has gotten all its hostages back, the entire nation of Israel is about to become hostage in some way to this peace plan, to this board of peace. Because now no longer does these nations have to use force or armies. They can sit behind a desk, Sam, and read minutes and enemies like Qatar and Turkey can have their influence in the land of Israel while never even once putting any type of military in the nation at all.

Sam Rohrer:

Absolutely. So, alright, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. Chris Katulka from Friends of Israel is with me today. This is with Israel. Everything’s complicated. That’s our theme. We come back, we’re going to shift to Israel, Iran, and possible war what to make of all of that. Well, if you’re just joining us today, welcome aboard. Our focus today is on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. And my guest today is returning guest. Chris Katulka is the Vice President of North American Ministries of the Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, and they have a website. I’ll give you Israel my glory.org and a lot of information there. I encourage you to go there. Now the theme is this, with Israel, everything’s complicated and just chose that because we were talking in the past. Anybody who’s been to Israel, they’ll often hear that it’s complicated. It’s complicated. And increasingly when you look around the world and all the things we’re talking about here today, it’s almost like you can’t give a really super fast, quick 15 second answer.

It’s that kind of thing. So you get the idea why is that? Well, we’ll talk about some of that as well. But moving to this area of Iran impossible war for weeks now, we’re all aware that the public narrative has been about imminent war with Iran. That’s been going on for a long time. So everybody’s kept in some level of suspense, a buildup of us warships in the Middle East. This is a fact. It surpasses anything that was present, even exceeding that which was there for the Iraq invasion of years ago. China and Russia have both confirmed their support of Iran, and they both have warned the United States against any intervention in Iran. The White House on one day threatens Iran with things more terrible than I can imagine. And the next day a deal is imminent. Iran says that they’ll talk, but they’re not going to agree to all the demands laid down by Donald Trump.

Israel says, well, if something’s not done, they’re going to do it. The Pentagon then just some days ago, heightens the narrative by issuing warnings of up to 15 United States, cities that are under threat of attack because of Iran. So all of this is happening. So in the end, the global narrative becomes distracting. Much of it clearly theater and everything’s so changing that I think this also meets the definition of complicated. Now, Chris, what can you say about the overall sense with Iran? Like most of things, there’s the narrative that fuels the headlines, then there’s the truth that is not shared. But from your perspective, why is this potential conflict a leading feature? It just doesn’t go away. Is it for the benefit of Israel? Is it the benefit of the United States, the benefit of someone else, but there’s something involved in keeping this potential conflict with Iran as a headline item. What are your thoughts?

Chris Katulka:

Well, personally, in my opinion, it’s to the benefit of the entire world. Iran is the leading state sponsor of global terrorism. They are the instigators of the Middle East. They are the funders and trainers of Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis. They’re the ones who have tried to force their influence and have with success into Syria and into Iraq, Lebanon and down into Jordan. I can speak pretty confidently that I actually think it would be a great reward for the world to see the Ayatollahs disappear and to see Iran hopefully at some point become some type of democracy. And of course, for the benefit of not only the United States, but even a closer ally of ours, Israel, Israel would benefit. I mean, Iran is the nation that actually brought Israel and Saudis and UAE and Bahrain and all these nations together in security relations. And I even believe, but part of the Abraham Accords is because they have a common enemy.

It’s Iran. So I do think it benefits them greatly and it benefits us greatly. But really I think this is an interesting time for Donald Trump because I think Iran and Donald Trump have something in similar. They’re both playing two sides of a coin in one minute. They want to act like they’re talking, and the next minute we see that the US Navy fighters had just shot down an Iranian drone that was approaching the USS Abraham Lincoln just recently in the Arabian Sea. So there’s kind of this double talk going on, and then you have Marco Rubio who’s just recently coming out and saying, we could never make a deal with these people. It’s impossible. I actually think that Obama missed the opportunity to empower the protestors, the green party during his administration, and he just kowtowed to the Ayatollahs and to the Islamic regime with the J-C-P-O-A, with the Iranian deal.

So the question is, is Donald Trump going to do some type of deal with the Iranian regime with the Ayatollahs and really only plead to the 20% of Iranians? Think about this, Sam, only 20% of Iranians from what stats we know what polling information we know support the Ayatollahs. The other 80% are against the Ayatollahs. That means no matter what, Iran will always have an internal problem, which means this isn’t going to go away. You can make whatever deal you want in the world. Iran will always be a force for evil because they have an ideological bent to spread their revolution back that they started in 1979, to spread that revolution to every part of the Middle East possible and to the world. So that’s one of the reasons why I believe it’s a benefit, not only for Israel, but for really every nation. Because Iran is on their own mission. Let’s forget about Turkey. Let’s forget about China and Russia and their allyship with Iran. Iran is on a mission to turn the Middle East into a larger Iran. That’s been their goal from the beginning. And Israel is prime target. That’s the way I would look at it.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And I think that that’s well expressed and alright, let me just move on then. At this point, what do you think if you know from talking to people on the ground in Israel, what is the attitude towards this potential? Because to some degree I think Israel had been put on alert, Iran had specifically threatened the Tel Aviv, and so I think a lot of the airlines coming in had stopped. Israel has been in positions like this before. Is there anything different or similar at this point of time as you see from people on the ground in Israel in anticipation of what may or may not be?

Chris Katulka:

Well again, everything is complicated in Israel, and I think I’ve mentioned this before, if you get two rabbis in a room, you leave with three different opinions. And so Israelis are very opinionated people. There’s plenty of parties in Israel. We have two, three parties in the US to dominate the Republicans. The Democrats in Israel, they have dozens and dozens of parties that rise up based on whatever feeling you have or what’s going on in that moment. But when you can unify a country under a cause, that means that Israel has resolved. So recently, Lapid is the opposition leader in Israel’s government. The Knesset Lapid actually met with Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, and after seeing a security assessment that had gone on concerning Iran, Lapid vowed to Israel that Israel is united as a government. They are united against Iran after meeting with Netanyahu.

So if you can get two of those gentlemen in a room, Lapid and Netanyahu, total opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to politics in Israel and they both come out and they say, we are unified against Iran, then that means that they’re on the same page. And usually that’s the way Israelis work. For the most part. I’m not going to say it’s a hundred percent, but the vast majority of Israelis, whatever political spectrum they live on after October 7th, the country that was once divided over the Supreme Court issue is now unified under making sure Hamas is taken care of. Same thing with what we’re seeing right now. They understand the threat that they’ll be under. I’m telling you, whenever Iran used to say Israel is the little Satan in America is the big Satan, that means their target number one, Israel is the closest Satan to obstacle to Iran.

And so they will be the first on their target list. That’s also one of the reasons why Benjamin Netanyahu probably told Trump, you don’t want to go in with too much force right away because we’re not ready to respond to the missiles that will come our way. They were still restocking their Iron dome systems and their anti-ballistic missile systems that kind of got drained during the 12 day war. So I think Netanyahu and the Allies and America are waiting for, in my humble opinion, they’re waiting for the opportune moment when America can guarantee security for Israel and for its allies in the Middle East as well as they do this. Because actually the sad thing that we’re seeing is that a lot of the allies that don’t like Iran, like Saudi Arabia and Jordan, they don’t want any part of it. Jordan told during a United Nations meeting, Jordan told the world, we’re not going to let our country be a staging ground for any regional war. They don’t want any regional war, they don’t want any trouble in their life. But America, as you said, they’re building up a fleet around Iran. And it’s going to be interesting to see what plays out in the next few weeks. I don’t think we’re that far away, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

And I’d say a lot of people are sensing that as a way because when you look, for instance, when you look at the requirements that have been put forward by the White House to Iran, it’s very, very clear there’s no way that they would accept them. And in fact, Iran has come back and said, no, they won’t. So you have a proposal where the demand is, except all of these, not one of them, all of them. And Iran says, we’re not going to do it. So therefore Marco Rubio may be the most accurate one there. They’re not going to do it because they can’t. So anyways, we’re about at the break here, so, alright, that’s a good explanation, Chris. And again, just like we talked in the first segment, for anybody to stand up and say, all right, I can tell you what’s going to happen tomorrow, they can’t even on this.

So ladies and gentlemen, it’s complicated. A lot of parts going into it. At the end of the day, I’m going to suggest that God will weigh in at his time and he will exercise his will. So I’m just going to leave it at that. When we come back, we’re going to move to this other area, increasing antisemitism. We’ve talked about it before, but we’ve got to deal with it again because it continues to grow. Alright Chris, let’s move to another area. We’re dealing with four issues today. Broad issues, some comments on the Gaza Peace Board did that in the first segment. Some of these will be connected, the last one, what’s happening really with Iran and possible war there and had that discussion. But another area that when I look at Israel and I look about and try to tie in as we do in this program, the focus on Israel, the Middle East, biblical prophecy and weave into them what is in the headline news.

To some degree, all of these things that we’re talking about today are in that category. But when I look at all of that, there is an area that one just cannot overlook. And that is the rise of antisemitism globally. It is undeniable. It’s a matter of discussion. Last time I was in Israel, it was the major thing that those that were talking about there, they were sensing that not only globally, but what was even of greater concern was the rise of antisemitism within America. That’s an amazing thing. The fact that this turning against Israel and the Jewish people within the younger generation of America is startling and it’s further startling when it is coming from within the rank of those that generally were supportive, conservative, self-identified as evangelical. It says something is really changing. And the reality of this rise, I think is actually manifesting itself in a measurable decline by people.

Certainly it’s being seen in financial support, it’s being seen in verbal commentary within media and where that’s happening. Maybe it’s even diminishing even in prayer, but the aspect of it as the change within professing American evangelicals to not just a pro-Israel political groups, but now I am getting indication that it’s even showing up and being felt within Messianic Jewish sectors. So these are true believers in Yeshua, Jewish, but it’s different. They’re not political, they’re biblical. And so it’s a different thing. But I’m finding that we’ve got to ask, alright, what is going on? Who and the why? And I want to get all of those in here in this segment if we can. Chris, I’d like to ask you first to define what is referred to antisemitism. People may have their own idea on it in the broader sense, who’s the actual target when there’s an antisemitic attitude? Hatred could be, it could be just a disdain. Is it Israel, the political nation? Is it people of Jewish descent or is it something else? How would you define that?

Chris Katulka:

Yeah, that’s a great question. And actually I always like to define antisemitism because actually there’s a poll out that says that most people don’t even really know what that term means. It’s just simply Jew hatred. It’s the targeted attack of Jewish people for whatever cause there might be over history. The church has attacked the Jewish people in our past. Even today there’s a religious antisemitism, a religious antisemitism that goes back into the scriptures, a religious antisemitism hating the Jews because they worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and follow the Torah, the law of God. The second one is a genetic antisemitism that we saw as a rise out of the enlightenment era and social Darwinism. And all of a sudden out of Germany, you have Hitler clinging to this social Darwinism and targeting Jewish people not for even their faith in God at all, or whether or not they followed God or not, or even kept the Torah.

It didn’t even matter if you were Jewish by DNA, you were the problem. And then I think today’s antisemitism that we’re seeing is all grounded in the fact that the Jewish people exist in the land that God promised them back to Abraham’s day. And I call that anti-Zionism, and it’s the belief that the Israel shouldn’t exist at all. anti-Zionism means I don’t believe there should be any Jews in Israel. They should be gone, there should be no Israel. And if anybody believes that there should be in Israel, you are part of the problem as well. And this is the reason why Jewish kids in Columbia who were just walking to school who may have never even stepped foot Sam in Israel or even thought about it once for being targeted for being Jewish and not even being Israeli. And so you see it come out in all of these different forms, and I’ll just say biblically, I want to ground it in Genesis chapter 12 verses one through three.

God promises the Jewish people a land. I consider that part of the anti-Zionism that’s rising up a descendants, the actual DNA, the Jewish people, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There it is. There’s that genetic antisemitism and a blessing that through Abraham, all the families of the earth would be blessed. And that’s the religious component. So Satan is at work, I believe it’s spiritual targeting every aspect of who a Jew is, whether it’s their DNA, whether it’s their belief or whether it’s their national identity in the land of Israel. And so this is why I think we’re seeing it rise up, especially since October 7th because you have voices that are gaining a lot of popularity. And I’m glad that you’re bringing this to attention because I think a lot of Christians, Sam, are turning a blind eye to the antisemitism that’s going on in our circles.

There’s a man named Joel Wein that has a big following on social media who said something like, if you want to ensure that whatever Christian nationalism we might attain, he says, make it Judeo-Christian nationalism and it will immediately be lost. These people don’t even like the idea of saying that we have a Judeo-Christian ethic. They want to even just get rid of the name Judeo and just make it a Christian ethic. They don’t like the fact that Jews are, they believe Jews are the problem. They don’t like Israel. They think Israel is satanic. In fact, I think he even said the Jews of modern Israel have nothing to do with Biblical Israel. Well, again, I think that this is the kind of teaching that when you talk about impacting a younger generation, this is when they go online, Sam, this is who they’re listening to.

We talked prior to the show about Tucker Carlson, who does he have the greatest disdain for? Do you remember when he was having this conversation with Nick Fuentes, a vowed antisemite who hiles Hitler on his show. When Tucker Carlson was talking to him, he said, do you know who I disdain the most? The people? I can’t stand the most Christian Zionists. So there’s actually one of the most influential voices in the political realm who claims to be a Christian, says that people like me, he disdains. Why? Because I read the Bible and I see that God has a future for Israel and the Jewish people shame on me.

So again, this is the kind of teaching that is being spread. And I’ll tell you in Lancaster, we host these prophecy conferences. And the last time we did one in October of last year, I went home that night, Sam and I said, I felt more like a counselor than I’ve ever did before. Parents were coming up to me, Sam, and saying, my child is head beat in nothing but antisemitic rhetoric coming from pastors and anti-ISIS Israel rhetoric. We didn’t raise our kids this way. What do I say to them? And I’ll be honest with you, Sam, I don’t even know. I could give them every article in the world and guess what? Their kids would refute it. But I must’ve talked to two or three people who told me, my kids hate Israel. We never raised them to be like this. They’re listening to so and so online, they’re following this person online or that person. They send me articles all day long. And what do we say, Chris? And I’ll be honest with you, I went from a teaching prophecy conference to me, a counseling session, and that’s where we are today. I feel like in the modern discourse when it comes to Israel and the Jewish people and sadly from within our own camps.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, that is true, and I’m sensing it and believe it or not, was well, I’ve actually gotten emails from people who have threatened in my life because of some of the discussions like we’re having right now. Can you believe it? It’s building. It’s happened. It’s happening. Now here’s the question I have and not much time, but we’ve got to deal with it a little bit. Why? I mean, the fact that it is changing as it is we’re talking, but there’s got to be a little bit of a why is it happening from your perspective.

Chris Katulka:

I think Second Thessalonians deals with this idea within the church of a deception that will take place. And I do think it is a big deception from Satan to after October 7th, there was a poll that was done prior to October 7th about where young evangelicals find themselves in supporting Israel and 25% were strong supporters. 25% were supporters of Israel or Palestinians and 50%, if not more were kind of ignorant about it. They wanted information. That’s a big group of people, 50%. But you know what happened, I think on October 7th after not knowing any history of Israel, they’re Jewish people at all. They see what’s going on in Gaza and they’re hearing media and they’re reading sources online, and all of a sudden they begin to hate Israel. And that gives influence for the social media pastors who get on and just label Israel a genocidal state.

Jews are the problem with the world. This kind of rhetoric that’s coming from their voices empower even these conservative young adult Christians to go, I don’t like Israel at all. I don’t agree with any of that. I don’t want any part of that. So at one point they were indifferent about it. And now as a result of what happened in Gaza, they’re completely activated. They become activists against Israel and the Jewish people, not because of what the Bible teaches, but because what they’re hearing online and because of what they’re seeing in media. And so I do think that this becomes part of where pastors who I hope are listening right now stand up and give biblical truth about why God’s not done with his chosen people, why they do matter today. Because the voices online are just speaking loudly to these young adults. And I did a little research, Sam, and the research I found is this. I don’t know what’s in the heart of Tucker Carlson. I don’t know what’s in the heart of Candace Owen. I don’t know what’s in the hearts of some of these pastors who are talking this way about Israel and the Jewish people, but I do know that they are dependent on one thing. Clicks, clicks, clicks, clicks. And I’m going to tell you something, every time they criticize Israel, their cliques go through the roof. So of course they’re going to keep criticizing them because that’s where they’re paid.

Sam Rohrer:

And ladies and gentlemen, that should be a reminder to us all. I hope that we are far more interested in what the Lord will say when we stand before him because he certainly is not going to say well done based on clicks as Chris just talked about. Now when we come back, we’re going to shift to one other area, the Epstein connection, Epstein and the Israel connection. How should we look at this? Well, I trust that if you’ve been with us, the entire program that you’ve found the different points of identification and commentary between myself and Chris Katulka, my guest today, he’s the vice president of North American Ministries of the Friends of Israel, and they have a website@israelmyglory.org. Hope you found that to be of a value as we’ve tried to take the complexity and what’s always said when you go to Israel, everything’s complicated.

That in fact some of it has been less complicated today as a result. Now, this last area is one that you may not even have thought that there is any connection, and that is what is so visible and has been for so long, and that is this whole area of Jeffrey Epstein and the files. And if you’re at all involved in looking at news, you know what I’m talking about? Broader perspective. There are many issues which are splitting the American people, political strategist, frankly, on all sides. It’s not just one side, it’s not just left, not just a right. I’m going to put on all sides political strategists, they just think this way these days, but they’re bent on fueling existing division and creating further division. Why? Well, in the end, they figure this is humanistic thinking. They think that, well, if you can divide and conquer strategy, they employ that you will accomplish your goals.

The ends justify the means in my opinion, having been in office and having observed and doing news like we’re doing here, I can tell you that that thinking is prevailing, but it’s demonic. And any bracing of pragmatism, which of necessity means the setting aside of truth. That’s the definition of it. And if you set aside truth, then it is demonic. I’m going to say demonic pragmatism and not biblical truth. You will get division. Now, one of the leading issues fueling division and anger stems from the Epstein files and involved in that. And again, I’m not going into detail, you’re aware, the wide exploitation of women and children based fully on corruption and surveillance and bribery and threats. That’s the whole thing in my opinion. The continued coverup by their current administration, followed by the incessant promises after they had promised to release the files and to bring the innocent to justice.

What’s the result of that? I can tell you what it is because God makes it clear. It will bring God’s wrath. Why? Well, the primary purpose of government is to enact justice, punish those who do evil praise and protect those who do well, the innocent. But that’s not what’s happening. It’s the exact opposite. Now, following the latest release of an additional 3 million documents with nearly all conservative news pundits, you look around, I’ve done a study on this, nearly everyone out there that you would all know, they’ve all fallen into lockstep. What are they doing? They’re gaslighting. They’re promoting the standard line that well, the entire matter is a hoax. It’s not worthy of any further attention. It doesn’t really make any difference. Well, it does make a difference. It does make a difference from God’s perspective. I guarantee that. However, the one clear line of evidence included in the latest cachet of files is the overwhelming involvement of Jeffrey Epstein to Israel to his involvement with the Israeli Mossad and the connection of Israel now made clear to the actually fomenting the early days and involvement in the Ukraine Russian war.

There’s a lot, and it goes very deep. While to say these connections are not complicated would also be an understatement. Now Chris, to some extent may seem off Mark, but because of this and because it’s so out there and because there’s so much of a connection between Epstein and Mossad Israel and certain Israeli leaders, most notable former Prime minister Hood Barack is an example to me, it’s adding fuel to those who are increasingly antisemitic, which is what we talked about in the last segment. So need some thought on this. What are your thoughts as you are also watching these revelations and how should God-fearing believers view this connection in the middle? I mean, so your thoughts?

Chris Katulka:

Yeah. You and I had talked about this even before the program, that a lot of people can immediately begin to go to seeing Ehud, Barak’s name seeing the Mossad and their involvement with Epstein, especially I know the Ukraine war is coming out as something new, but also the Libyan. When Kadafi was put down during the Obama administration, Jeffrey Epstein not only called on the Mossad, but called on the MI six to help liberate recover some of the billions of dollars. I think it’s to the tune of almost 80 billion that was frozen by frozen Libyan assets. And so that’s where you kind of have to be careful with Epstein because your mind immediately begins to wander to the fact that everybody’s heading to Epstein Island, where that’s not necessarily the case. There are people around the world who have been allured by the lust, by the wealth, by the influence, I’m sorry, of Epstein.

And so what’s happening again within the circles of anti-Israel, anti-Jewish antisemitic circles is see, the Jews are the problem. Look at all these nasty Jews. They’re going there and doing this one really, I don’t know if people are actually looking at the list of people, but the list of people is a pretty long list that don’t necessarily just have to do with Jewish people or just have to do with Israel. There’s also reports coming out that the US is looking into whether or not he was a Russian spy. So all of this data that’s coming out, these 3 million pages or so of whatever information’s coming out from Epstein, only show us one thing. And the one thing is this. It’s not just a Jewish situation where all these people are fomenting to be able to blame the Jewish people. It’s much deeper than that. It’s a sin issue.

It’s the deeper sin issue that God has always dealt with in the Bible of influence, of power, of lust and the abuses of these things. That is what Epstein showed us that he did. He abused however, he got this power, which I know is still a question, how he even found this power. The people who have had an email with him are all being labeled a certain way, but they’re drawn in by his influence, power, and the lust that he provides, and all of that, again, are issues of sin. It’s not just a Jewish problem. Everybody, the apostle all lays this out so perfectly clear in Romans, this is not just a Jewish problem, this is a Gentile problem. It’s one big issue of sin that needs a remedy. And the remedy can only be found in Jesus Christ and his forgiveness provides the indwelling of the Holy Spirit That should change us so that when we see the injustices that you’re talking about, we should be able to call them out clearly.

I have to be honest with you, Sam, you sound like an Old Testament prophet, and I like it a lot. I’m not going to lie to you because the prophets, we love the prophets because the prophets give us a picture of what will happen to Israel in the future. But the prophets also didn’t lie. The prophets stared at the injustices that were going on within Israel and were saying to their people, if you don’t change your ways Now, when it comes to the issues of sexual immorality, when it comes to the issues of lust, when it comes to the issues of abuse of power, when it comes to the issues of money, when it comes and influence and wealth, if you don’t fix these problems according to the law, the prophets would say judgment is coming upon you. And so again, I feel like what we’re looking at today is exactly what Romans talks about in Romans chapter two, that wrath is being stored up for the day of wrath. These people are committing acts of sin and all of it is being built up, whether Jew or Gentile doesn’t matter for the day of wrath that’s coming.

Sam Rohrer:

Amen. Chris Katulka, thank you so much for being with us. We’re out of time, and I know our listeners would say, boy, let’s keep continue on that, but we can’t because we’re out of time. Thanks for being with us. God bless you and friends of Israel. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us. And again, as we focus us on that, the heart is desperately wicked. Who can know it? Jew or Gentile. That’s why we need Jesus as our savior. Call upon him. If you have not.