Pure Life: Victory Over Porn

Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell

Guest: Josh Rowand

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 2/10/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Jamie Mitchell:

Well, welcome again to another episode of Stand in the Gap Today. I’m your host, Jamie Mitchell. And today we want to discuss a serious issue affecting the church, but also one that could make many uncomfortable. Also, as per our history and policy, we want to give parents a warning that we’re going to be discussing the issue of pornography and you may want to monitor your family’s listening. And as sensitive as this subject may be, and we give a warning, what is fascinating is that the issue of pornography is not foreign to the evangelical church. We know that involvement with and exposure to any form of pornography is not only sinful, but it has long-lasting impact on various aspects of our lives. The Barnard Group tells us 54% of those in the church have watched some form of pornography. Here are some other statistics. 68% of church-going men and over 50% of pastors have viewed porn on a regular basis.

Of young Christian adults, 18 to 24-year-olds, 76% are actively searching out porn sites. 59% of pastors say that married men have sought some kind of help or counsel because of porn use. 33% of women ages 25 and under search for porn at least once a month. Only 13% of self-identified Christian women say they have never viewed porn. That means 87% of Christian women have. 56% of American divorces involve one party having a high interest in pornographic websites, and I could go on and on. And I’m beloved. I know we do not like to grapple with this issue, but the issue of pornography is not just something that we need to grapple with and discuss. It enslaves God’s people. And before we plunge into being hopeless and throw our hands up in defeat, there is a ministry that’s been talking about this issue for literally decades, and they’ve been helping believers find victory over porn.

And that’s the title of today’s program. To help me is Josh Rowand from Pure Life Ministries in Kentucky. Pure Life began in 1986 when its founder, Steve Gallagher, experienced a miraculous victory over his porn addiction. But he saw the growth in the church and he and his wife dedicated themselves to help people experience long-lasting freedom over the life-dominating sin of pornography. Josh is a counselor and he is director of ministry partnerships with Pure Life. Josh, welcome to Stand in the Gap Today.

Josh Rowand:

Thank you so much for having me today.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Josh, I learned about pure life in the early 2000s when I directed a pastor I knew who was gripped by pornography. He enrolled in your virtual counseling program and you helped him find victory. So thank you to you and your ministry. And I know his wife and kids and his church thanked you. And I want to take some time and help you explain your ministry a little later on. But first, I want you to help our listeners. Why is pornography such a problem? Why does it have power over people like it does? We know that sin is sin, but why does this sin have an unusual grip on people?

Josh Rowand:

Yeah. I think there’s a couple reasons. Number one is our society is obsessed with sex. And this isn’t a new problem. Think back to the early church. In ancient Rome, there were literally, there were places that people would go to participate in all kinds of debauchery, and it was considered emperor worship. It was your patriotic duty. So believers in Corinth in the first century were fighting these same temptations for sexual sin. So the fact that our society is obsessed with this, that’s not new. The second thing I see is that pornography is easily accessible today. The thoughts that we have, Paul says that no temptation has overtaken you, but what’s common to mankind. So the temptation, lust isn’t a new thing, but what is accessible today is you could put any lustful thought you have into your search engine on the internet and you can see that.

So porn is more accessible today than ever before. The Bible also says that sin is pleasurable for a time. So pornography is incredibly addictive physiologically. It’s also very self-focused, all about me, my fantasies. Everything is about me. It’s not about loving or serving someone else. So pornography sells kind of this perfect ideal. It’s a lie, but it’s an attractive lie. It’s one that appeals to our flesh. Yet another thing I see is indulging in pornography is what I would call low risk. You can explore pornography. You can explore maybe some dark fantasies and you can kind of get away with that without “paying for it. ” Pornography is free on the internet, obviously, but think 40 years ago, you would have had to go somewhere to purchase a magazine and there would have been some shame. Okay, or I have to go to this CD bookstore to get something.

Today, that’s not the case. Today, anyone from the convenience of their phone can access some pretty wicked and depraved stuff, and there’s not a cost involved externally. And then the last thing I would say is that sin, especially secret sin, it thrives in the darkness. And so if someone finds themselves engaged or all of a sudden now habitually using pornography, I mean, sin bears consequences, and there is, I think, a shame and there’s a godly conviction that comes on people, but that can lead to people feeling very isolated. And so what happens in secret is that we just become more isolated. We don’t actually expose it. So it just becomes darker and darker. And the cycle of sin just kind of compounds time and over sin and failure and isolation and that just repeats. So all of those things together, I think, just lead to this kind of big mess that we would now today refer to as pornography addiction.

Jamie Mitchell:

You know, Josh, as a pastor, one of the things I’ve seen is the effects of this. And one of the things, as I think we will talk throughout this, or it may pop up in our conversation, is how pornography and its effects of the devaluing of relationships. It affects how you view people, how you treat people, how you look at people. And then secondly, and even more scary, is it affects how we view God. We forget that God is omnipresent, that he is anywhere all the time. He sees everything. You mentioned about things being a hidden sin. There are no hidden sins from God. And so friends, stick with us. A missionary once told me that sin flourishes where there is accessibility and anonymity. Josh touched on both of those. And when we return, we want to talk about the issue of pornography, not just being a man issue.

In my study, getting ready for this conversation, this fascinated me, and I think it will you. Stay with us here at Standing the Gap today. Well, thank you for sticking with us as we’re addressing an important and somewhat uncomfortable conversation about pornography. Why is it so powerful, how it affects us, but more importantly, how do we gain victory? My guess is Josh Rowand from Pure Life Ministries. Josh, as I was looking at statistics on pornography, I got to tell you, I was shocked to find a growing percentage of women struggling with this vice. Why is that happening? And also, why have we just thought that pornography was a male issue?

Josh Rowand:

Yeah. I think those are really good questions. I think one thing we have to look at is current culture in the US. Soft core pornography is becoming much more prevalent on TV, soap operas. I mean, think about this. There is a federal commission that monitors what you can show on network television, but think about how we access entertainment today. Most of it is through streaming services, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Disney+. All of those online realtors or retailers, I should say, all of those things are not subject to the content filters that network television is. So there’s a lot more software pornography, or sometimes I would even say hardcore pornography in some of these entertainment and television shows. And those things are not only geared towards men, but men and women. And we know that sin is a heart issue. Sin isn’t a gender issue. So we talked earlier about all these things that make pornography so enticing.

These things impact men and women’s heart. So why do we think it’s just a man’s issue? I would say maybe in every culture on earth, there are probably stereotypes about what men and women do and do not struggle with. And I think there’s also maybe cultural norms of what is and is not acceptable. And so in some cultures, we might think that for men, there are things that are quote normal or even excusable. For a man to struggle in this area, maybe pornography, maybe having an affair, that’s acceptable. But for women, this is incredibly taboo, but the Bible calls it sin for both standards. So we just come back to our standard is the Lord’s standard and culture might be playing a part in this, but ultimately our convictions align with the Lord. This is sin and we need to turn from it.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah. I mean, men, just I think by disposition and because of some differences, we will gravitate toward things like that, but I think marketing and the world, and as you’ve been mentioning, culture, I think they go after ladies and they really play on the issue of lack of content and dissatisfaction and disappointments in relationships. And it opens up a door for them to start investigating things like pornography more so now than in the last 25, 30 years. Josh, whether it’s a man or a woman though, there must be some basic issues on why people get involved with porn. And who is it that moves after maybe the innocent glare and then all of a sudden they’re into addiction? Is there a predictable side of this happening? Can you explain why we even call this addiction? What happens to a person who gets introduced to porn and then all of a sudden it speeds up and they’re gripped

Josh Rowand:

By it? Yeah. I think the apostle Paul does a really good job of talking about maybe a spiral of addiction in Romans chapter one. He’s talking about people that become more and more darkened in their hearts, and then they give themselves over to more and more depravity. But what I think is really telling is what he says in Romans 1:21. He says, “Although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God, nor gave him thanks.” And then it talks about, so they become darkened in their understanding. What I see a lot is when we stop becoming content with the Lord, we’ll start looking for contentment and pleasure in other things. And you were just hitting on this. This is what happens and this is what humans are like. If we stop having satisfaction in knowing Jesus, we’ll look for satisfaction in other things. When the Lord is not on the throne of your life and his ways govern all of your behaviors, you’ll put something else in that throne.

You’ll put your own understanding in there. And once we do that, when now I’m starting to rely on my own thoughts, my own, and then things become shades of gray. Well, we can justify anything, and I think that that’s what happens. We become addicted because our hearts are restless to find something, but it’s something that only Jesus can give. The prophet Jeremiah also talked about this. He says, he’s giving an indictment against the Israelites. The Lord says, “My people have committed two evils. Number one, they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters.” And then he says, the second thing, to cue out for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns that hold no water. If you talk to anyone who is enslaved to pornography or in a serious pornography addiction, I don’t think any of them would say, “Yeah, I have this incredible problem, but it’s awesome.” No, it’s something that it promises, and sin always does this, it promises something that it can’t deliver.

And this is where I think it’s really important … These are maybe uncomfortable conversations to have, but we have to look at what the Bible teaches about sex, and that is a husband and a wife coming together in the confines of marriage and giving to one another. And in contrast, pornography is entirely about self. This is about my fantasy. I can click from image to image to image to image, to video, to video, to video, and it’s all about me, what I want. And this is where it’s totally off of what God’s intent for sexual relations is. And so if we come back to scripture, Lord, this is what you call good. This is what you call righteous. And if we want to, instead of adhering to what the word says, we want to say, “Oh yeah, but I’m just going to do what I want to do and actually this is easier and actually this is more convenient.” And we start calling what God calls wicked good and we start to get warped and we start to get darkened in our understanding.

And so that’s where I see this spiral into addiction starting to happen. When we take God’s word and the character of God as the main thing in our hearts that govern us and we replace it with other things, it’s a very slippery slope.

Jamie Mitchell:

Josh, I have a theory. I’m not a counselor like you, but I’ve been around it. I’ve dealt with a lot of people and here is one of the things I have seen. When people have a loss in their life or a trauma of some kind or a disappointment or a defeat or some painful thing comes in their life, they begin to grieve, they need to mourn, they need to mourn in a godly way, but they don’t know how to handle the loss, the grief, or even how to mourn and to kill the pain, they look for something else, something kind of like what you just said. They try to replace only what God can do with something else, some human solution with about a minute left here. Do you see that a lot with people that you counsel who have porn addictions, that something began this catharsis into this addiction that they had some kind of painful trauma, didn’t know how to handle it, and all of a sudden they thought that pornography would heal their hurt.

Josh Rowand:

Yeah. I think that everyone is different, right? Everyone has a story and so absolutely we can choose to run to sin or sinful practice when we are overwhelmed by a lot of things, whether it’s something traumatic or just other things. We can run to what scripture calls empty cisterns and we can also learn that as a pattern of behavior. “Oh, I did this and the Bible says,” Sin is pleasurable for a time. “So all of a sudden I have made a habit of running to something that might feel good in the moment, but actually kills the life that I have with the Lord. So I absolutely think we can learn those patterns of behavior. Where I think we get into trouble is when we want to blame our addictions on, ” Okay, well actually I’m in this now because of this traumatic event. “No, I’m in this now because of my responses to that traumatic event, but today in my actions, the hope is I can turn and I can look to Jesus and I don’t have to be enslaved to those things that I used to be.

Jamie Mitchell:

Amen. Amen. Well, friends, we throw the word addiction around, yet we better fully understand it. It’s not a disease, it just doesn’t happen to you. It is a series of choices that leads you to making a vice, a substance, food, work, into idols. And that’s why we talk about breaking idolatry when it comes to the addiction of pornography and re-elevating Jesus Christ back on the throne of our lives. Well, that’s what we’re going to talk about next. What are the steps to victory? That’s what we want to focus on. Hope and victory over pornography. That’s our conversation here today and standing again. Well, if you’re just joining us on Standing the Gap today, we welcome you, but we also want you to know our topic for today is victory over pornography. So be aware and be warned, but certainly be engaged because as we have already discussed, this issue of pornography is alive and well in the church.

Many suffer from porn addiction, and we’re talking about how to have victory, and we’re attempting to offer hope and help. My guest is Josh Roman from Pure Life Ministries in Kentucky. Josh, I want to get to some practical steps to victory, but would you take a few minutes and just summarize what is pure life? What does the ministry do and how can people learn about your ministry and how you can help them?

Josh Rowand:

Yeah. Well, pure life exists because freedom from pornography and hidden sexual sin is possible, and that happens in a deep relationship with Jesus Christ. So everything we do at this ministry is with that in mind. We want to help people walk in Jesus victory through a deeper walk with the Lord. The bulk of what we do is helping people through our counseling programs. We offer online or virtual counseling programs over 16 weeks for struggling men and struggling women. We also offer an online counseling program for spouses or hurting wives who are struggling as a result of their partner’s sin or infidelity. And then lastly, we have a nine month residential counseling program for men located in Williamstown, Kentucky. All of our counselors, our men and women counselors and our hurting wives counselors have a testimony of the Lord giving them victory in this area in particular in their lives.

Pure Life also wants to be a resource to the church and Christians at large. So to this end, we have Pure Life Ministries podcast talking about these things, principles that we can walk in, a YouTube channel with a lot of free teaching content on there, small group curriculum on Write Now Media, and a slew of printed resources, books, Bible studies geared at helping people walk in freedom. Also, every May, I think this year it’s May 1st and 2nd, we do a two day conference. We host that at the Ark Encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky. If people want to get more familiar with our ministry, that is a great conference to attend. It’s not just for struggling people. This year the theme is wholly devoted. All of us freedom comes when we’re devoted to Jesus. And then this fall, we’re actually doing this for the first time Pure Life is going to host a training seminar for pastors and leaders, people who want to be equipped to help people in their church.

If anyone wants more information, you can visit our website, www.purelifeministries.org.

Jamie Mitchell:

Oh, that’s great. And I can affirm and encourage all of you to get involved with pure life and look at the resources. Josh, we want to get real practical this segment. What can someone who is struggling with pornography do immediately if they want to take some steps of finding freedom? What would you say to somebody, just in a general sense? I know that every person has a different story and a different situation, but what are some practical steps towards freedom?

Josh Rowand:

Yeah. I’m going to give you a couple. The first, and this one might sound really simple, but I always encourage people to establish convictions about what you actually believe about pornography, what you believe about fantasy, what you believe about lust. Do you actually believe that the Bible teaches this is wicked? Do you believe that your indulgence in pornography hurts people? Do you recognize that the person that you are becoming is someone who rejects the holiness of God and instead resorts into just taking for self? So go to the word and establish convictions, establish godly convictions. What does the word teach about this? So often I see that people leave this area as kind of a morally gray area, and then as a result, they don’t take any steps to change. If you’re going to call it wicked, if you’re going to call it evil, then you’re going to be more motivated to do what the word says.

But if you kind of stay in neutral territory, you’re not really going to change. So the first thing, establish godly convictions about what the Bible teaches about pornography and lust. The second thing, and this is a very practical step, is magnify the Lord. So I referenced that verse in Romans chapter one earlier. People’s first step down in Romans is that they didn’t honor God or give him thanks. So when I work with guys in our online programs, one assignment I will give them is every day, I want you to write a list of 10 things that you want to thank the Lord for. And I tell them, “This whole first week, you can’t repeat anything on the list.” So at the end of the week, I’ll meet with them the next week and they’ll have written down 70 things that they want to thank the Lord for.

And then I’ll say, “Great, I want you to do it again this week, and you still can’t repeat.” And their eyes get really big, but what this starts to do is we start looking around our lives. Where is the hand of God at work? And then we start magnifying the Lord. The psalmist says that, “Come magnify the Lord with me. Let us exalt his name together.” All of a sudden, instead of being in a selfish flow that’s all about me or a discontent, I don’t have what I want, the Lord hasn’t provided, therefore I’m going to go out and take something that’s not mine. Lust is a selfish taking flow. Instead of being in that, all of a sudden you’re actually magnifying the Lord. When you start thanking God for everything he’s done, it starts building a Godly contentment in you. So that is a really practical step.

Turn from self and magnify and exalt Jesus. A follow up to that, this could be the third one, is look for ways to serve others. If you are someone who is addicted to pornography, the atmosphere of your life is probably much more than you realize all about you. This might be coupled with moodiness, anger, bitterness, just a lot of bad fruit and it all comes out of a very self-focused life. So a very practical thing, if you’re going to repent and turn up from that, is focus on serving others. Ask yourself, “What’s one way I can serve my spouse today? How can I serve my family?” I’ll say, use the words, get out of yourself and get into the needs of others. There is so much freedom that’s found. And Philippians two, we see that Paul writes, “Don’t think only to your own interests, but also look to the interest of others.

Your attitude should be the same as Christ Jesus.” And he goes on, though he was God, he made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant. If you want to be less selfish and you want to be like, “Jesus, Jesus wasn’t selfish.” Jesus is always serving others, so you can do that as well. And then this might seem like a no brainer, but Jesus says in John 15, “Abide in me and you will bear much fruit. Apart from me, you can do nothing.” And when I counsel guys, one of the things I’ll ask about is, “Well, what does your quiet time every day with the Lord look like? ” And they kind of hem and haul around that. But listen, if we’re spending maybe five minutes a morning with the Lord, and then we’re spending three to four hours on social media or streaming platforms or 24 hour news media, what do you think is winning out in your life and what do you think is really influencing you?

If someone is overcome by pornography, usually the case is they’re not really spending a lot of time with the Lord, or maybe they’re spending some time, but then the other things in their life that promote the spirit of the world, the noise of that is louder. And so then my last thing would be, cut off familiar sources of temptation. Listen, if social media is a struggle for you, or if that’s feeding lust in your heart, get rid of social media, take it off your phone. I always tell guys, you need to clean house, okay? And every person is different. Every person is tempted by different things. What might be okay for someone else isn’t okay for you. So all right, you can disable the internet browser on your phone. You can close the app store. People talk a lot about accountability apps, and I think those are helpful, but it’s not … Technology doesn’t change our heart.

So establishing accountability with someone else, I think that is helpful, but that’s not the only step. We need to be making sure we’re living lives that are focused and magnifying the Lord and loving him and loving others. Those are the two greatest commandments. Just installing an accountability app on my phone, that doesn’t accomplish those other things. However, it can be helpful as I seek to walk in the light as he is in the light. And so as I’m doing that, these principles start to bear fruit in my life.

Jamie Mitchell:

Gosh, I remember talking with a woman who was dealing with materialism and as we were talking, I said to her, “Do you have catalogs at home?” She said, “Yes.” I said, “Throw them all out. ” You keep looking at them and seeing them and saying, “I want that. ” And so starve the sin, people. Hey, listen, when we come back, we’re going to finish up. Josh is going to help us answer the question, how does the church help us to find victory over pornography? I think that the church is a tremendous tool and weapon, but it needs to be aware of how to be affected. We are so grateful to have had Josh Rowan with us today, giving us a brief but excellent primer on how to address pornography that is gripped the church and the world. We’ve talked about why it’s so powerful that there’s really no difference between men and women and women are getting addicted as well.

Some practical steps of dealing with contentment issue and self-centeredness and how to starve sin, and most importantly, how to renew our mind and fill our mind with the things of God. But equally important is being connected with the church. And so Josh, let’s talk about the church. I have had mixed reviews on how the church is doing in this area of battling pornography. Some churches are courageous. They deal with it head on, especially through their men’s ministries, but others are silent and act like there’s no problem. Can you give me an insight on why churches may be hesitant to deal with this issue?

Josh Rowand:

Yeah, I think there is probably several factors at play. I think the first is we really don’t know what to do. When I travel for the ministry and I do conferences for men, I’ll ask men if their dad gave them a godly sex talk and he covered the issue of pornography and by and large, the answer is no. So the excuse can be, “Well, I never really saw this done well, so I really don’t know what to do at all. ” And another thing I think that could be at play is perhaps the pastor has never personally dealt with this. I mean, think about this, a pastor who grew up and got saved before internet pornography was as pervasive as it is today, before there even was an internet, that man might have a very different lived experience than someone who was exposed to explicit video pornography at age nine.

So I think sometimes we just don’t know what to do. Then I think we could jump to the opposite. Sometimes I think that the attitude is, well, everybody’s struggling. It’s not that I don’t think it’s an issue, it’s that everybody I know is struggling and we don’t know what to do. Maybe the pastor himself is struggling. So the pastor, if he’s struggling, doesn’t maybe want to come off as a hypocrite, so he’s silent on the issue. It’s almost like because the issue is so pervasive, we kind of make our peace with it. Well, it’s just something, men struggle with lust, and so we just kind of excuse it. And meanwhile, since hollows out our DNA as a church. And then I think the third thing is, okay, maybe not knowing or maybe just a malaise about dealing with it, I think it’s just uncomfortable to talk about.

It’s messy, but I would just remind people all of discipleship is messy, but the gospel, if it really is transformative, then the gospel transforms our values. It changes the way we think. I can’t speak to my wife in this tone of voice if I’m going to follow Jesus. I can’t hover covetousness or bitterness or anger in my heart. I can’t live selfishly and not consider the needs of others. The gospel confronts all of these things and it calls us to walk with Jesus. That’s beautiful, but that’s messy and that’s hard. And so sometimes I think it can be easy to close our eyes to the problem than to jump in and do the work that comes with being part of the solution.

Jamie Mitchell:

One of the things that I noticed as a pastor was that as I was looking for leaders in the church, there would be this void from about 30 to 50, a 30 year old and a 40 year old. And I would approach them about being involved in leadership and they would be hesitant, they would hold back, they would be reserved, almost as if there was something that was troubling them. And I quickly learned that many, especially the men in the 30 to 40 year old range was struggling with pornography. And they said to themselves internally, “I don’t want to get involved in leadership. I’m not where I need to be. ” And so I began to take a proactive look at this and that’s what I want you to take the last couple of minutes that we have here. What are some things that churches can do to handle this issue and to provide some avenues for people who are struggling with pornography?

Josh Rowand:

Yeah. I think you’re absolutely right. And your experience unfortunately isn’t unique. I think we see that. And so what can the church do? I think honestly, just acknowledging from the pulpit that this is a problem, it’s a highly addictive one and also voicing it’s a problem and we want to help you. And so even circling back to what we said before, some of us are stuck years ago. Okay, we realized this is a problem for men in the church, but we’re seeing now it’s a problem for women too. So for a pastor to get up and say, “Hey, we know this is an issue.” Statistically, if it’s true that over 70% of Christian men are giving over to pornography regularly, like once a month or more, if that’s true, even if you have that, that’s 35% of our congregation, that those are real people sitting in our seats.

We understand it’s an issue and we want to help. Going to church, sometimes it can feel like we’re all on a performance where we all go to church and we pretend like we all have it together, but that’s not the case. Actually, the longer I walk with Jesus on the narrow way, the narrow way gets narrower. The more I see him clearly, the more I realize there’s a lot of stuff in me that still has to be sanctified. So literally a pastor getting up and saying, “We know that there are men and women in our church struggling with pornography and we want to help you. ” Jesus has hope and victory. That’s a powerful statement. And then that’s an invitation for people to step out of darkness, out of hiding and into freedom that Jesus wants us to give. And you don’t have to be a professional to do that.

So many times I think we want to punt this to quote experts that could really help people. The gospel has answers that people need. So I think a pastor just acknowledging from the pulpit, “We know this is an issue and we want to help you. ” And then I just, another thing I see is I think women are actually better at this than men. Men are very reticent to express their struggles and their failures. So another thing I think that really can be helpful for the church is to have men of integrity showcasing their testimonies of victory, because that builds faith in others. If you have an elder that maybe at a men’s breakfast shares, this was a struggle for me and I did the hard work of letting the Lord deal with my heart issues behind this and today I walk in victory. Vulnerability breeds vulnerability, but a story like that can build faith for other people’s.

Hey, if God can do it for him, God can do it for me. So this isn’t, I don’t think it’s an overly complicated thing. And pure life here, we want to equip pastors. We want a resource pastors. You have people struggling, you can refer them to our online virtual counseling programs. We’ll work with them one-on-one and then after those 16 weeks, we’ll hand it back off to you, pastor. And so we want to equip and resource the church any way we can because we know this is such a pervasive issue, but it’s not too hard for the Lord. Jesus won victory over all sin. The enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Jesus came that we may have life and habit to the full. That’s what is available. And pastors, if we can proclaim that truth, I think it’s transformative for the people who are sitting in our pews.

Jamie Mitchell:

Hey, Josh, thanks for being with us. Thank you to Pure Life Ministry. What a great work, the bringing victory to men and women’s lives. Listen, friends, if you are struggling with pornography, no shame here. You are not alone and you’re not a modern day leper. We’re not going to just cast you off. You can be touched by the power of Christ today, but to experience that power, you must act with courage. You must live and lead your life with courage. And so we encourage you to do that. Until tomorrow, God bless you. Have a great day.