Spiritual Renewal in America: The Latest 2026 Research

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Co-host: Dr. Isaac Crockett

Guest: Dr. George Barna

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 2/20/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to the Special Stand in the Gap Today program. It’s also our monthly emphasis on culture and values and biblical worldview. Our special guest on this program is the good friend here of the program and well-known to all of you. Trusted researcher Dr. George Barna. He’s the founder of the original Barna Research Group and now the director of research at the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University. Today, pastor Isaac Crockett and I are going to have a conversation with Dr. George Barna, where our focus is going to be on the very first report from the Cultural Research Center in the series on American Worldview Inventory. This is entitled This Beginning Here, American Worldview Inventory 28 26. I’m going to say as I’ve read the material, Isaac and I have read it as I’m going to say, as was the startling and paradigm shifting findings of the American Worldview Inventory 2025, which we released on this program during the course of last year.

So it appears that the findings here in 2026, I’m going to say will be no less gripping. Yet accurate research is conducted to take snapshots of how people think about various issues with the purpose of then providing those findings to help those people understand what they may have not known, and therefore to perhaps stop and consider if some change is necessary in their lives or it is done to help other people understand the culture broadly and then how to either respond or perhaps shape the values of those that have been sampled. But point being valid research is helpful. Honest research is rare. Properly analyzed, research is seldom done. These are my findings over time and wisely applying the findings to make it practical is even more rare. Yet the American world inventory the results meet all of the criteria of integrity. And today we’re going to talk with Dr. Barna about the latest results, what they are, why certain changes mean what it appears they say, and the implications for Christians generally into our nation. Specifically the title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is simply this Spiritual renewal in America, the latest 2026 research. And with that Dr. George Barna and George, welcome back to the program. It is always a thrill to have you on board, and I know our listeners profit greatly by the program and the times we spent.

George Barna:

Well, Sam and Isaac, thanks for having me back. I’ve been looking forward to being with you again and look forward to talking about what we’re discovering through the new research.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, let’s get right into it because like always, there’s far too much we can spend much longer time than we have. So start us out today by, if you could share the underlying purpose for the ongoing American Worldview inventory. You’ve been doing it for some time. I’ve already referenced it. And would you also provide an overall summary if you could in succinct form the overall findings of the 2025 and then perhaps the greatest takeaway that we can take from 2025 findings so we can apply those to what’s happening now and over late perhaps on this new research?

George Barna:

Well, yeah, that’s quite a question. If I look back over the course of time, we started this tracking study back in 2020, and the reason was after having been doing research on the faith of Americans for more than four decades, I sat back and tried to figure out what really matters. Well, it’s that we become disciples of Jesus Christ. But in doing all the research I’ve been engaged in, one thing that became clear was that it’s probably impossible to become a genuine disciple of Jesus unless you have a biblical worldview. And so having dabbled in biblical worldview research over the last 30 plus years, I thought, gosh, wouldn’t it be great if every year we could take a national portrait of a national profile or picture of what’s going on in terms of the worldview of Americans? So we were fortunate to get funding from Arizona Christian University to do this.

And we started doing the research in three year cycles. And by that I mean the first year of a three year cycle, we look at the incidents of different worldviews in America, one of those being the biblical worldview, but also looking at how many people are postmodernists, how many people are secular humanists or eastern mystic, all the different worldviews that are significant Marxism and so forth. And so we’ve been looking at that second year of our three year cycle and the third year we go back to the first year’s data and say, wow, what really jumped out as either encouraging or problematic? And then the second and third year we do surveys that do a deeper dive into those particular areas so that we can help individual Christians and churches to know what should we be focusing on? What should we be celebrating and why do we do a three year cycle?

Because again, over the course of more than four decades of research, one of the things that struck me is that our culture changes basically in three to five year periods of time. And so if we’re measuring worldview, which is so critical toward defining who we are, how we live, how we think, what our goals in life are, our values, all of those things, if we measure things in three year cycles, we’ll probably normally be on the front end of any significant change cycle in our culture. And so we look back to last year, that was one of those deep dive years. And so we dove into the fact that people don’t believe in God, the God of the Bible, the God of Israel anymore. They’re very confused about these things. They reject the trinity. We dove into their ideas about truth and discovered and why people have become their own determiners of what truth is.

They reject absolute moral truth. They reject Bible-based truth. And we talked about why we looked at sin and the fact that most Americans deny that they are at root, a sinner preferring to believe instead that they’re basically good people who simply make some mistakes along the way. We don’t really need that kind of forgiveness that Jesus offers. And that was the fourth area we dove into was salvation, where we look to the fact that most people say, well, sure, I mean if Jesus wants to save me, that’s fine, but I’m going to work really hard to make sure that I earn it anyway. Whether or not he’s going to save me, I’m going to save myself. And so in the course of that thinking and behavior, we also tend to minimize the effects of sin. So these are the kinds of things that we’re always trying to get a handle on when we do this type of research.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, George, and that’s excellent, ladies and gentlemen, we did that just to give a framework for what you’ll be hearing next in regard to the new research here in 2026 build upon this information because the emphasis that Dr. George Barna began in this report that we’ll be talking about it ties into and it looks at spiritual renewal. So you heard from what he said, there’s not a whole lot to begin with and spiritual renewal based on what he just said based on last year. But we’ll hold that and we’ll move into it again as our focus today. Dr. George Barna is on the latest Research America inventory, biblical Worldview 2026. Well, as we continue into the program here today, Dr. George Barna is the guest along with Isaac Crockett and myself here today. And our theme is this spiritual renewal in America, the latest 2026 research. Now, again, I’m going to give you the website here, cultural research center.com.

You can go on that site and you can find all of the past reports. And Dr. Barna referred in the last segment and gave a brief summary of the in-depth survey work that was done during last year, all of which we’ve talked about on this program during the course of last year. So we’re starting in a new area right now, in a new year. Now, I’m going to say from this and emphasize this research is something that affects all of us. Very seldom in my opinion. And I was involved in doing research in the past, the company I used to work for, not nearly George, like what you have done, but it’s the same kind of thing. Research can be very, very helpful, but it’s very seldom done. Honestly. Most surveys and research is done to prove somebody’s point or to produce information that can be used to lead people astray, even create deception.

But that’s not what we’re talking about here, and these findings are significant. So let’s getting into that here, George, in the actual title of this, the first report here in 2026, you gave it the title of this in Every word you use is always precise. So I’m going to give it just exactly where you said it. Here’s the title. You said No Signs of Spiritual Renewal as National incidents of biblical worldview remains unchanged. So there’s really two things there. So before you share the data and the findings that support the statement of no signs of spiritual renewal, that’s what you started this with. Let’s come in the back door, and I’m going to ask you this here. Can you share the data that supports the conclusion that you made that biblical worldview national incidents remains unchanged? Meaning what are you measuring? Who are you measuring unchanged from when and for who? Because all of that’s involved in that.

George Barna:

That’s a great thing to understand. I mean, what we’re involved with here is a tracking study, which means that what we’re trying to do is take snapshots of the same group of people year after year period after period after period to see is there change happening. And the only way that you can gauge that is by measuring the same things in the same way with the same types of people. And so what we do in the American Worldview Inventory is in January every year, same time of year, we take a national sample of 2000 adults from across the country. They’re chosen the same, they reflect the same kinds of background attributes, and those are the same attributes that represent the profile of adults in America. And then we ask them the same questions year after year. Now they’re not exactly the same people. That would be a different type of study called a longitudinal study, a tracking study where we’ve got a similar population each year.

And so we started this in 2020, and what we’ve got are 53 different questions that are a combination of people’s spiritual beliefs and spiritual behaviors. And those are based on core biblical principles. But we’re not trying to force them to say, yes, I agree with those biblical principles. We give them answers to select from on all of these questions answers drawn not only from a biblical worldview, but also from the other major worldviews that we’re studying, whether that’s again, secular humanism, postmodernism, eastern mysticism, nihilism, Marxism, a whole range of these different worldviews. So people have these choices, they can make that represent what they believe. And because we’re studying this consistently year after year, we can see if the numbers change. That’s a pretty strong indication that we’ve got a real change in beliefs and behavior. Why are we studying beliefs and behavior? Beliefs are important because as human beings, we do what we believe.

We won’t take action that we think is wrong or unimportant or counterproductive. We do those things that we think are right and appropriate and so forth. And so that’s important. And then we want to verify that yes, we actually buy into those beliefs by looking at behavior because we know that we do what we believe. So what is it that we’re doing? That’s our behaviors. And so when we put this together in order for somebody to be an adherent of a particular worldview, whether it’s Marxism, postmodernism, biblical worldview, whatever the worldview might be, what we’re looking for is that 80% or more of their beliefs conform to the beliefs of that worldview. And 80% or more of their behaviors conform to the behaviors of someone who possesses that worldview, what that worldview tells them they ought to be doing. And so that’s how we get people into this biblical worldview category.

And when we look at the data, what are we finding back in 2020, when we started this particular inventory, what we had was 6% of adults with a biblical worldview. Three years later, the beginning of our next three year cycle, we found it dropped to 4%. Now three years after that, in 2026, we find that it’s remained stable at that 4% level. And to put this in the broader context, when I first started doing worldview inventories back in 1994 and 1995 when I was working with Chuck Colson on worldview research, what we found was about 12% of Americans had a biblical worldview back then. So it’s dropped considerably in the last 30 years, but it’s been dropping in some ways more quickly over the last six years.

Isaac Crockett:

1995. That’s a long time ago, guys. That was last millennium. You were doing that, George, looking at what you’re talking about, there were a lot of hopes that I had that what we were going to see in the church was similar to what we saw at the beginning of the church in the book of Acts where persecution came and it spread the behaviors and the beliefs, true Christianity spread. But instead, when I’m reading your research, George, you really burst my bubbles. Again, I got to admit, I don’t think you’re writing these reports out to make people happy, but I feel like we’re actually in the book of Revelation when Jesus uses John to send letters to the seven churches. I was just using your name on Sunday, George, because we were talking about syncretism in the church and specifically Thyatira. And so five of the seven churches, there’s some major problems they’re having, even though it’s a time of persecution and things, they weren’t growing the way they should have. So that brings me back to your study, this tracking study, and George really like you just admitted you’ve been doing this since the mid nineties. What did you find then that produces this analysis that says, we’re not seeing the signs of spiritual renewal? And again, you’ve kind of explained some of this, but what do you mean by signs of spiritual renewal?

George Barna:

Well, yeah, that’s an important question because there are two terms that we probably need to identify. One is renewal, which is at least the way that I’m using it, the improvement in the quality and the quantity of Christian discipleship among followers of Christ. A disciple is an imitator of a master, and in the case of a Christian, that master will be Jesus Christ. And so what we want to be doing is consistently trying to be a closer, better, deeper, more consistent imitator of Christ in both our thinking and our actions. And that’s to be contrasted with revival. And the way that I would talk about that is that that has to do with where nonbelievers are actually investigating the claims of Christianity, taking a deeper look at Jesus, and they’re deciding, yeah, that’s the way to go. There’s a revival of their spirit in terms of their connection with God.

And so it’s really their initiation into and now their initial pursuit of the Christian life. So here we’re looking at renewal because again, based on my 40 plus years of research, it’s my contention that if revival is going to take place, the church itself has to be healthy and solid and growing, and that’s what’s going to be attractive, and that’s what’s going to give us the goods to model and to share with other people who are not Christians. And so what kind of evidence would we look at of renewal that there’s a higher percentage of Christians who have an orthodox biblical view of God, who accept their status as a sinner who believe that success is not worldly success, but it’s spiritual success, which will be defined as consistent obedience to God and his principles, a better sense of biblical purpose and truth, a commitment to serving other people as an act of love, a commitment to spiritual outreach through sharing the gospel with them, discipling people and so forth, taking a biblical stance on what we might know as social issues, whether that’s things like abortion or gay rights or poverty law and order.

All of these things are discussed in the scriptures. And so as Christians, we need to be representing God in those social conversations. So that’s what we were looking for in the research. And unfortunately we did not find the kind of changes that would suggest, yes, the church is going deeper, the church is getting stronger, the followers of Christ are more active in their faith and they’re really ready to take on the world. That would’ve been evidence of renewal.

Sam Rohrer:

Alright, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because we’re trying to move through this logically what Dr. George Barna just described is it’s more of the data of the what and it leads to the conclusions that we’ve talked about, but behind all of them is why are there no signs of renewal, of revival, of a return to biblical worldview from that perspective, why that’ll be the focus as we further analyze this research in the next segment. Well, as we continue in this focus today, which again, the title of this program, if you just happen to be joining us right now, is spiritual renewal in America, the latest 2026 research. This is all a part of the ongoing surveys and research that Dr. George Barna has been doing for, well, he’s been doing things similar for over 40 years as you’ve heard him say. He’s been with Arizona Christian University, they’re now director of research and been looking at American inventory.

They call it a biblical worldview inventory ascertaining what Americans think in various categories of people, different worldviews. And so if you weren’t able to catch the first of the program, go back and listen to it and then you can pick up all of the details because building kind of one segment on another. Now that being the case, and again, the research from 2025 of which there are multiple reports that lead into what we’re talking about now you can find on the website@culturalresearchcenter.com. Alright, now that being said, valid research and we’ve been talking about that a lot of the research that you hear, results that are cited in the media of today, they’re not true, but this we’re talking about is true because of the nature of how it was done and who did it. Valid research requires of course a great deal of integrity. Integrity of how the questions are posed, integrity of the person who comes up with the questions, integrity of the person who looks at the data and then analyzes it and all of that that we’re talking about.

All of those things are critical. But if it is done properly, research is critical for doing and making decisions of various sundry types. But part of it we just answered is the what does the data say? We talked about that in the last segment, but then it gets to the really important part of why ask that question of why. So George, one of the points that was made, we’re going to follow that. You talked about biblical worldview, national incidents, the way you phrased it remains unchanged. Are there some segments, for instance of Americans where perhaps biblical worldview you saw improvement, but in others it decreased ending in a they balanced each other out in a no change conclusion. As an example, would you identify perhaps what factors contributed to the no change conclusion and why have we reached a point where it appears to have leveled off?

George Barna:

Well, yeah, those things are difficult to get your arms around. I think as we look at different segments of the population, we can begin to draw some conclusions about that. One of those would be the major shift that’s taking place generationally. So if we look at the proportion of people in a given generation who have a biblical worldview, if you look at the three oldest generations, we’ve got 7% of each of those generations who currently possess a biblical worldview. But then if we look at the two younger adult generations, the millennials and the adult portion of Gen Z, they’re not all adults yet, but that portion that is we measure and there what you find is only 2% of millennials and 1% of the adults in Gen Z have a biblical worldview. So there’s that tug of war that’s going on there where you’ve got the older adults who had a biblical worldview to a higher extent when they were the same ages as millennials and Zs.

But now we’ve got these new generations coming in with different ways of thinking, different influences on what they’re thinking. So that’s an example of kind of the tension points that are taking place. And right now with many people in the two older generations, the seniors, the boomers dying old age creeps in and we’re losing a significant proportion of them every year. And then you’ve got more Gen Z coming in each year. So that’s one of the things that’s been shifting the balance for the last few years. Right now it’s stable. We’ll see what happens three years from now when we do the next incident study, what’s going to take place in our culture? Will it tip it one way or the other? We can look at people’s ideology, political sociopolitical, ideology, and we see for instance, that there’s not been much movement in that in the last three years, conservatives, moderates, liberals, when you look at conservatives, it’s 12% of them who have a biblical worldview.

You’d expect that to be much higher because we tend to think there is a tight correspondence between our sociopolitical views and our spiritual interpretations of the Bible. That tends not to always be the case. So right now, only one out of every eight conservatives has a biblical worldview, same as it was in 2023, but down from 2020 when it was 16%. And remember nationally what we’ve seen is the overall average has dipped from 6% to 4% of all adults who have a biblical worldview. So you’ve got a number of these different types of things, people who attend evangelical churches. Another really interesting one where if we go back to 2020, we had 21% of the people attending evangelical churches possessing a biblical worldview. Again, not as high as we thought, but it might be, but it was higher than any other types of churches. And that’s still the case today.

People are most likely to have a biblical worldview if they attend an evangelical church. But that 21% that we saw back in 2020 has been cut in half. Now it’s only 11% of the people in evangelical churches have a biblical worldview. It’s gone up slightly among people in Pentecostal and charismatic churches. And so that’s helped balance out a little bit of the loss in evangelical churches. So there are all these dynamics. I don’t want people’s eyes to go wacky as I’m trying to describe this over the radio, but this is what we’re always looking at is the push and pull. That’s all part of the spiritual war of trying to win people’s hearts, minds, souls, and what’s causing these kinds of shifts. There are a lot of different contributing factors. Maybe the biggest one of all would be the media in America where we look at the influence that they have on what people think and believe.

The fact that we’re finding that churches are not preaching from the Bible as often or as deeply as they used to. The fact that we found in our research that very very few churches actually measure worldview or measure discipleship in any kind of a consistent, reliable way. And there’s very little accountability related to that. The fact that most churches don’t really think about helping people to develop a biblical worldview as being part of their job. There’s the transmission of information that there’s the intentional and strategic development of a particular worldview. Those are two different things. And then we look at the fact that parents of young children are less likely today to be thinking about worldview, to be reading the Bible, to be believing the Bible, to be anyhow engaged in the spiritual development of their children. They’re leaving that up to chance. It’s kind of a default process. And yet it’s children under the age of 13 who develop the worldview that they’re going to take with them for the rest of their lives. So all of those things are contributing factors to the reality that we have not seen growth in biblical worldview possession in more than three decades.

Isaac Crockett:

One of the things I was hopeful about was after what happened to Charlie Kirk in his assassination was seeing younger people really get on fire for the Lord. And you use that, you cite that reference point. Let me just quote some of this real quick. You say in the wake of the murder of Christian activists, Charlie Kirk, there was much discussion about a possible eruption of spiritual renewal and revival in the Christian Church, which again, you explained that in our last part, the quantity and quality of Christians and then non-believers converting. But you say that your research then indicates that any increased interest in the Christian faith spurred by Kirk’s assassination, according to your research, has not produced positive growth when it comes to biblical worldview. What do you see going on? What’s the research speaking to us about that this data? What is it suggesting that there’s no positive growth in biblical worldview even after that?

George Barna:

Yeah, it was interesting because in the immediate aftermath of Charlie’s murder, what we found is that church attendance did rise. There were reports of Bible sales increasing dramatically. So there was certainly renewed interest. And I think if you saw the televised memorial service after Charlie’s death, that very directly focused on Jesus Christ, on sin, on salvation, on the purpose of our lives, all of these things and more. And so that was wonderful and that gave us that kind of hope that is this kind of positive change would take place. But I look at years of crusade style, evangelistic research that some of which I’ve been engaged in, some of which others have done that show that there’s often an unfulfilled promise that goes along with those kind of events. It’s not that the gospel isn’t faithfully shared, it’s that it’s not faithfully followed up. And so people might be all excited about a potential relationship with Christ, but they don’t know what that is. They don’t know how to pursue it. And it points us back to Matthew 13, I think, which is Jesus parable about the seeds. And so I’d encourage everybody to go back and look at that and think about how that relates to what’s going on in our culture in America today, because I think that’s what happened in the wake of Charlie’s death.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, in the next segment, stay with us. We’re just about done always. When you look at the data and research we’re talking about now, the questions should be asked is now what? Based on this information, what do we do with it? What does it mean implications? We’ll go there and we’ll conclude the program, looking at the implications. And now what? Alright, George, let’s go into the final segment now. And again, ladies and gentlemen, cultural research center.com. Cultural research center.com is a website you’ll find at Arizona Christian University. You’ll find all of the reports from the past years as well as what will be now then posted as we go into 2026. George, we’ve considered what the data shows and why, the what and the why of the data that confirms, as you’ve said, no change, no measurable change in biblical worldview generally, and no signs of spiritual renewal presently identifiable in America.

Even that follows up as Isaac just asked, even when that one very notable event of the murder of Charlie Kirk, obviously for a moment in time, caught the attention of Americans. Nine 11 did that in the past. It caused a change for a moment. But you’re saying you haven’t seen any residual measurable residual impact. Now here’s my question here. We’ve got to say, where do we go with all of this? What does it say to the person who says, well, information is believable. It’s true. It may be shocking, but how do I take and impact my life? So what are the implications of this data and what does it say to American Christians? And of course that whole category of Christians, you have to define that about where you go with that. And to those concerned about the future of America as we have known her, because there’s a lot of this that you do are tied up into people who say they’re conservative or not conservative, they have a view of the country. It’s a mixture that’s kind of put into here. So go where you want to on the implications. What’s it tell us?

George Barna:

Well, it’s interesting that Isaac earlier in the program talked about his preaching from the book of Revelation chapters two and three, where it talks about the churches, seven churches. I thought Isaac was going to bring up the church of La Deia, which I think is probably a pretty good reflection of America today. There’s a lot of people who are Christian, perhaps in name only. It’s not up to me to judge, but when I look at the research, what I would conclude if I didn’t know it was America, I would say, well, whatever this research relates to, it’s a group of lukewarm religious people as talked about in Revelation three. And that’s where I think we’re at today. And so where do we go from here? I think it’s imperative that as the followers of Christ, as the church, that we get serious about discipleship, recognizing that it’s children who develop a worldview that they’re going to carry with them for the rest of their life as adults.

It rarely changes after the age of 13. When it does change, it usually takes a major life crisis. And even in the wake of most of those major life crises, people don’t change. They revert back to what they know and what’s comfortable. So those first 12 years of a child’s life are critical. We’ve got to get there with that worldview development process being very strategic, being very intentional, being something that we know matters. If we’re going to invest ourselves in anything, let’s invest ourselves in that because that’s to a great extent, what determines whether or not as an adult, that person will become a disciple of Christ. Those of us who are disciples, this is our moment in time. We are here for such a time as this, a time when the spiritual war has really heated up. It’s moving faster than ever. It’s tougher than ever spiritually speaking.

And so if we know Christ is our savior, if we are committed to trying to be like him, being Christ-like imitating him, being Christ to the rest of the world as best we can, this is the time when we need to say, okay, hobbies are nice, but maybe I need to put more of my time into discipling people than I do into watching ball games or sewing things, whatever it may be. That is our hobby. I mean, this is a make it or break it time for America. And because the Christian content of America has such a dramatic impact on the rest of the world, I think this is also make it or break it time for the rest of the world. So church leaders, if you’re a church leader, a pastor, an elder, a deacon, a teacher, hey, this is no time for business as usual, the war is raging.

And so we’ve got to be intentional, strategic, aggressive, consistent. This is not a time to allow people to build their silos. And faith is something that we do Sunday morning and then we get on with the rest of our silos, our jobs, our relationships, our hobbies, et cetera. Now this is a time for us to really dig in and do the best we can as intensely and as urgently as we can. American ministry right now has to have a period Christian ministry of no compromise, and we’ve got to do all that we can. But part of that is getting back to basics. Because what the worldview data shows is that if we just keep preaching more stuff, we’re building on a really weak foundation. Spiritually speaking, people don’t know the basic principles, basic truths that Jesus taught. And if they know them, they’re not embracing them to such an extent that they’re living in harmony with those things.

And so going back to basics, to a lot of preachers and teachers feels like, oh, come on, that’s kid stuff. Yes, but we didn’t get it as kids and we’re not owning it as adults, so it’s okay to go back there. We’ve got to rebuild those foundations before we go even deeper. And ultimately what we need to do is as individuals, we’ve got to be tougher on ourselves. We’ve got to be more reflective doing self-evaluation and taking corrective measures based on what we find. Churches can’t be relying on attendance and giving and programs and staff and square footage as the numbers that indicate if they’re strong, healthy, solid churches. Jesus didn’t die for those things. And so that’s not what we need to be measuring. We’ve got to be looking at discipleship, which entails worldview and service and stewardship and purpose and outreach, all of those kinds of things. So I think that’s all very critical.

Sam Rohrer:

George, very clear in what you’ve said. Isaac, I want to go to you. I want you to close it in prayer, but any comments that you would have because what George is saying to me is not some minor tweak, it’s a major recalibration. It’s a complete turning around, which means something that we’re not used to doing. Anyway, some thoughts that you’d have and then close us in prayer, please.

Isaac Crockett:

Yeah, thanks Sam. I love what George is saying, and George, I don’t know if you have some sort of spyware or something, but I was texting Sam and Tim while you were talking about the Charlie Kirk stuff, and I said, this sounds like the church of Laodicea. And again, so often we say, oh, if we face persecution, we’re going to come together and grow. But in the book of Revelation, those churches were facing persecution and there were seven of them and five of them were not growing. And the church of Laodicea is the one that was lukewarm. God’s judgment is that he was going to spew them out of his mouth. Now, what’s neat about that is the great reminder is that they were getting this letter from Jesus Christ, and we have that letter, and so it’s not too late. As long as we have life, as long as we have breath, we hear George talking, saying, we hear you talking.

It’s not too late. But as George is saying, we are getting close to this precipice and we need to look inward. We need to look at our own pastors. We need to look at our own hearts, at our own families, at our own children, and about to close in prayer. But real quickly, if you haven’t read the book, Raising Spiritual Champions that George has written, I think that’s for all of us. And we could be raising spiritual champions, not just our biological children, and that’s kind of what it’s written about. But as a pastor, that book was very convicting for me as a pastor. Let’s pray. Father, we do just thank you that you are so good, and we thank you for the salvation that you provide for us. It’s in Jesus’ name. We pray that you will work in our lives and bring about true revival and renewal. Amen.

Sam Rohrer:

Isaac, thank you so much for leading us to prayer. And ladies and gentlemen, take this information, I pray seriously, consider, let us all look into the mirror of God’s word and respond according this research helps to do that. Thank you. Be available. All of it you can find cultural research center.com. Dr. George Barner, thank you so much for being with us today. And may the Lord preserve and continue to strengthen you in these days ahead.