Transgenderism: The Ultimate Offense Towards The Creator

Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell

Guest: Darrell Harrison

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 3/17/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Jamie Mitchell:

Well, welcome again, friends. The Standard Gap today, I’m your host, Jamie Mitchell, Director of Church Culture at the American Pastors Network. I have to be honest with you, 30, 40 years ago when I was starting in ministry, if you were to ask me what issues I might need to be aware of and even need to spend some time researching in the future, I probably would’ve said some deep theological truths or maybe the issue of eschatology, the deity of Christ, veracity of the Bible. Personally, that would’ve been a cakewalk, but today, as both Christians and most certainly as ministers of the gospel, the breadth of understanding on issues is greatly changed. Today’s program is proof of that. If you would’ve told me that one of the major issues that we would be grappling with was transgenderism, I would’ve said to you, “You’re crazy.” And then I would’ve asked you, “Well, what is that?

” Well, sadly, we have become very aware and schooled up on this issue and many other difficult to understand cultural phenomena. And I wish I could have said that it is an issue that is isolated outside the church, but like any sin and corruption that’s been produced in our depraved world, the church is also having to deal with transgenderism. It is not only an affront to our common senses, but it is ultimately an offense to our creator. And to help me today as a new guest and someone I’ve heard speak on this issue and other very difficult, complex issues. Dr. Darrell Harrelson is the teaching pastor at Redeemer Bible Church in Arizona. Prior to joining the pastoral staff at Redeemer, Darrell served at Grace To You as Director of Digital Platforms. He’s co-host of Just Thinking Podcasts and one of the leading Christian podcasters in the world.

Darrell is a fellow of the Black Theology and Leadership Institute at Princeton Theological Seminary and holds graduate certificates in theology and ministry programs from Princeton. Darrell has a passion for expositional teaching and preaching, cultural apologetics and biblical counseling, and we are certainly thrilled to have him on today. Welcome, Darrell, to Stand in the Gap today.

Darrell Harrison:

Well, thank you, Jamie, for that overly gracious introduction, brother. I appreciate that. It’s a joy to be with you.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Darrell, let’s get started with a blank slate, if you don’t mind. And let’s assume that our listeners like Rip Van Winkle just woke up after a hundred years sleep, and they’ve heard this word transgender for the first time. What is transgenderism? What’s its origin? And is it something that is affecting the evangelical church

Darrell Harrison:

Today? Yeah. So Jamie, simply put, transgenderism is the mythical idea, right? Mythical idea that one can transform, hence the prefix trans in that word, that one can transform his or her congenital biological sex from one form of biological sex to another of one’s own subjective choosing. And that’s the emphasis that your listeners need to really catch onto that transgenderism is not only a mythical idea, but within that idea, it proffers that you can change your biological congenital sex from one form of sex to another at your win whenever you feel like it, whenever you just get the urge to do that. Now, its origins date back to the invention of the idea of what’s known as gender identity. And that idea was coined by the notorious sociologist and sexologist, Dr. John William Money. Now, John Money, who lived from 1921 to 2006, is regarded by many to be the “father of gender” and quote unquote gender roles.

So money is largely the one who has attributed with inventing those terms, gender and gender roles. Money believed that transgender people had what in Latin is known as an idea fixate, an idea, a fixed idea of who they were in terms of their sexual identity. Money carried that idea so far that in 1965, he opened the first gender identity clinic, which was located at Johns Hopkins Hospital, and it’s still there today, by the way, where money screen, he would screen adult patients for years prior to granting them a medical quote unquote transition. And he did that because he believed that sex roles should be the stereotype in his words. So money had an idea that sex roles were stereotypical. So he came up with this idea of gender to de- stereotype those quote unquote roles. Now, interestingly, if not ironically, money today is generally viewed even within the transgender community.

He is genuinely viewed as a negative figure within the community. He is not looked upon as someone who has made positive strides in the area of transgenderism. And the more you study John William money, the more you will realize why. Now there’s more that I could go into about John money, Jamie, but that said, we cannot stop there in our investigation of the origins of transgenderism and what this ideology is about. The true fallacy of transgenderism is found in the term itself, transgenderism. By definition, the word trans means across, beyond, through, or on the other side of it. The word gender is used in the term transgenderism as a synonym for biological human sex. That is very important for your listeners to understand that the word gender is used as a synonym, replacement vernacular, if you will, for biological human sex. But gender is not a synonym for sex.

It is a socially constructed term, which in its use as a synonym for biological human sex has existed only since the 1960s, when it was invented by John Money. So this term gender is a relatively new term and even newer is the term transgenderism. So not only is transgenderism not a reality biologically, it is also not a reality philosophically. Transgender is a made up term that’s made up for the solely for the purpose of facilitating deviant sexual behavior. That’s the only reason that term was made up. And John Money, when you research him, was one of the most sexually deviant individuals to ever live on the face of the earth.

Jamie Mitchell:

Wow. Darrell, because of just living in this culture and feeling like I needed to be on top of this stuff, that alone introduction is so helpful and to understand it. Now we’re going to get into how this is even affecting the evangelical church today. And that’s my great concern, is that because we are unaware and maybe even afraid to deal with this issue, the evangelical church is being overrun and that’s what we want to really be warned about today. Listen, friends, to remain ignorant or just intentionally avoid this issue, we’ll be to your peril and endanger your kids, your grandchildren, some of your dearest friends. Coming up, I want Darrell to help us understand how we need to think about transgenderism and how trans people think so that we can dialogue with them, talk with them, and push back on this dangerous philosophy. Stay with us here and stand in the gap today.

Well, welcome back. You know that our goal on this program is to address current issues and confront them from a biblical worldview, and that’s our intent today. We have Dr. Darrell Harrison with us today. He’s our guest, and we’re leaning into the subject of transgenderism. Darrell, I want to accomplish two things in this segment. Here’s the first. Get us into the mind of the transgender person and their advocates. And then I want to address this issue biblically. But first, what is behind their thinking as a person who believes their transgender? What got them so twisted to believe that God made a mistake with their sexual identity? And really, it’s almost maddening and you listen to them that they’re saying that they’re a man when they’re a woman or they’re a woman where they’re a man or they’re multitude of genders. Darrell, what are they thinking?

Darrell Harrison:

Jamie, I recently gave a talk at my church at Redeemer Bible Church in Gilbert, Arizona. I recently gave a talk on the subject of transgenderism, and I cited a source that says that there were 74 genders. Just to give you an idea of how open-ended and how subjective and how arbitrary this idea of transgenderism is, but fundamentally, what is behind the thinking of the person who believes they are transgender is an unregenerate heart. Now, I don’t mean to sound simplistic when I say that, but it’s really that simple from a biblical perspective. Now, I say that against the backdrop of what the Apostle Paul says in Ephesians chapter four, verses 18 and 19, where he speaks to such spiritual darkness as what I’ve just alluded to. Paul says in Ephesians 4:18 and 19, he describes people as being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart.

And they, Paul continues in verse 19, “Having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.” Now that is incredibly graphic language from the apostle Paul in Ephesians 4:18 and 19 that goes right to the heart of the Genesis of the thinking of these people. Now, it’s that same spiritual depravity that has led to the kind of twisted thinking, Jamie, that causes a person to believe that the God whom scripture declares created every human being in his image, that’s Genesis 1:27, that that God somehow made a mistake when he created them. Now, the irony of that kind of thinking is they say that God made a mistake, not realizing that if any deity to whom you could refer to as God could possibly make a mistake, that deity is not God to begin with. They don’t consider that though.

I would ask those people, why would anyone refer to someone as God? And in their case, they would say, they would assert that God has made a mistake. Why would you refer to anyone as God who is capable of making any mistake whatsoever? So spiritually darkened hearts that are behind that kind of thinking, the veil of spiritual ignorance has not yet been removed from their hearts so that they can see the truth that they are created as image bearers of God as either male or female, period.

Jamie Mitchell:

Darrell, when we talk about their thinking, if you’ve had opportunities probably to talk to people who have been asserting that they’re transgender, is there something else going on other than the spiritual dimension? And that is obviously preeminent in our thinking, but are there some common threads to maybe their background or their family upbringing or something along the way that have corrupted their minds to think in such a way to be so confused about their identity?

Darrell Harrison:

Jamie, if I could just refer back to part of what my role is as one of the pastors at Redeemer Bible Church, one of those roles is as a biblical counselor. And what I’ve come to find out and understand that yes, there is, or there can be, put it that way, there can be a common thread in individuals experientially who identify as transgender. Many times that common thread is sexual abuse in their childhood. A lot of times you’ll run across an individual who felt that they were not loved or esteemed by their parents. So a lot of the, not withstanding the spiritual factor that is involved here, a lot of what you’ll find is that it has to do with how their identity was defined when they were children. They either were not affirmed by people they loved, meaning that they were not loved in return.

More contemporarily, you’ve got this whole worldview that has been embraced by public schools. So this is being pushed very aggressively now in the public school system. And we won’t even mention higher institutions of learning such as undergraduate and graduate institutions where this kind of ideology is now sort of soaked and embedded within the curriculum. So from childhood all the way up through young adulthood, maybe into your mid 20s, early 30s, if you’re pursuing postgraduate education, for instance, you’re being bombarded with this ideology, literally everywhere you look. I mean, it’s not just in academia now, it’s in sports, it’s in the legal profession, it’s in education, it’s literally everywhere you look. But from my personal experience, the origins of this, the confusion originates way back to when these people were children and they didn’t get a solid biblical theology, a biblical anthropology of who they were as God created them in his image.

Jamie Mitchell:

I would gather too, the whole pushing the last, let’s say 15, 20 years, I’ve seen it in an assault, even in the church, is this whole post-modernity thinking that there is no truth, there is no absolute truth. And when you take that out of the equation, you really have no anchor for people’s minds to be able to find the truth if they don’t believe that there is truth, is there?

Darrell Harrison:

Yeah, that’s the hook of post-modernism. Matter of fact, Jamie, I’ll go ahead and admit, I totally decry the term post-modernism because what I like to think of when I hear the term post-modernism used, what I think of is that there’s really no such thing as post-modernism. There’s only the cyclical return of human nature back to what it always does as the continuum of time moves on. So post-modernism is just a fancy way of saying, “Hey, just sit back and just let enough time go by and human nature will repeat what it’s always done.” And that’s what we’re seeing. This is not something new. All of this is rooted in Genesis three in man’s rebellion in the Garden of Eden against God’s command. And we’re seeing just a new manifestation or a new word manifestation of that spiritual corruption. So, but again, to use the label of postmodernity, the irony here is that the more the postmodernist argues that there’s no such thing as absolute truth, they will caveat that by saying, “Well, there’s no absolute truth except for what I believe.

I believe this absolutely.” So it’s a continuous, nonsensical loop that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Jamie Mitchell:

That is so, so true. Darrell, we can assume Christians believe that there’s something wrong with transgenderism for numerous reasons, and you’ve already mentioned a few of them, but could you just in the couple minutes we have left, a minute or so, give us a biblical reasoning. How should we thoughtfully analyze this issue with a biblical mind?

Darrell Harrison:

Yes. So Jamie, I travel the country sometimes internationally, and one of the things that you will constantly hear me say that if you’re a Christian, you’re a theologian. The only question is whether you’re a good theologian or a bad theologian. Now, having settled the fact that you are a theologian, you’re also an apologist. Same question applies there. The only question is whether you’re a good apologist or a bad apologist. So when we look at how to lay out a biblical reasoning, okay, that’s the emphatic word there, reasoning. How we should thoughtfully, right, using reason, analyze this issue with a biblical mind. And one thing that comes to my mind in response to that question is something that the 17th century Puritan John Owen said in his book titled Biblical Theology or The Origin and Nature of Progress and Study of Theological Truth. In that book, Owen said this, he said, “Those who undertake the task of describing any subject must begin their work with a careful consideration of nomenclature, both that their terms may be named and understood and to avoid mistake and equivocation, which leads to error and confusion.” It has been said, still quoting Owen, “It has been said that to learn or write, one must first examine names with care.” Now, Owen’s words there are in keeping with the words of the Apostle Peter in one Peter 3:15, where he exhorts believers to sanctify Christ as Lord in your heart, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and respect.

And when it comes to an issue like transgenderism, Christians must be able to take such worldly terms and analyze them through the lens of what scripture says. Scripture does not teach that there exists such a thing as biological human gender. Human biological sex is chromosomal, it is not genital. In other words, human biological sex is determined by one’s chromosome, not their genital as John Money understood it. Now, because of sin, there are cases in which there are biological and physiological distortions of one’s chromosomes and genitals. However, such distortions are no excuse for engaging in unrepentant sexual debauchery.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yes. Hey, when we return, why are some transgender people acting out so violently and why are so many Christians supportive of this? Well, thanks so much for staying with us. We’re dealing with this very cultural issue of transgenderism. Darrell, you were saying at the end of the last segment that Christians should be ready to be able to share the hope that we have in Christ and you were quoting John Owens. Finish that thought, if you would.

Darrell Harrison:

Yeah. Just wanted to say to your listeners to try to reiterate to them, Jamie, that as Christians and as apologists, those two things go together. As Christians, we are apologists and as such, we have to learn to analyze the nomenclature and vernacular of the culture through a biblical lens and then define those terms in light of what scripture says. And as you look biblically at the falsity of transgenderism, you cannot help but come to the conclusion that there are only two biological human sexes and zero human genders. Gender is a social construct, it is a many made invention, so there are zero biological human genders. Darrell,

Jamie Mitchell:

Is it me or has there been a number of violent incidences such as mass murders, school shootings, and those kind of things involving people who claim to be transgender? Is there a reason why this is happening? Will anybody ever be honest with the connection of this violent aggression and transgenderism? What do we need to understand?

Darrell Harrison:

Well, the first thing, again, as I just immediately said a few seconds ago, the first thing we need to understand, Jamie, is that there is no such thing as a transgender person. So that’s number one. And as we’ve been discussing so far, biological human sex is fixed at conception. So no one can “transition” their biological human sex from one form to another. So what the culture’s trying to do is blame this violence on something outside of the person. They’re trying to blame an ism for it. In this case, they’re trying to blame transgenderism, but your listeners may find it interesting that not only do I or you as Christians debunk the notion of transgenderism, even gender theorists themselves acknowledge that gender is not biological. Take for example, one of the leading gender theorists today, her name is Dr. Stephanie Garrett, and Dr. Garrett writes in her book titled Gender Society Now, quote, “The term sex refers to the biological differences between males and females, while gender refers to the socially determined personal and psychological characteristics associated with being male and female.” Conversely, Dr. Susan A.

Basao, professor of psychology at Lafayette University says in her book titled Gender Stereotypes and Roles, “Sex is a biological term. People are termed either male or female depending on their sex organs and genes. In contrast, gender is a psychological and cultural term, referring to one’s subjective feelings of maleness or femaleness unquotes.” So even gender theorists acknowledge, Jamie, that sex and gender are not the same thing. One is biological and the other is sociocultural.

Jamie Mitchell:

Darrell, am I being too simple-minded when we do see people who are trafficking in this trans thinking and they’re also violent and they’re also demonstrating some horrible behavior. Romans one tells us that God comes to a place where he turns us over to ourselves, to our own devices, and some of that is a violent tendency. And isn’t that really what is happening when you look at some of this stuff?

Darrell Harrison:

That is exactly Jamie, what is happening. That is exactly what is happening. And what you’re finding out is the violence that’s been meted out by these men, and that’s exactly who they are. They’re men carry themselves as women. The violence that they’re meeting out is part and parcel of the dark heart that is within them. We know this from Jeremiah 17: nine, that their heart is sick and desperately wicked. So what we’re finding is these individuals, the root of their anger really is not towards their victims. They’re fundamental. The fundamental origin of their anger is that they’re angry at God. They’re angry at God. For some reason, they are angry at God and they’re carrying out that anger in these violent acts that they commit. That’s the one way that they can most, in their mind, in their way of thinking that I can be most rebellious towards a God who I hate.

And if they insist on behaving that way, then we have here in Romans one, as you alluded to, where God gives them over. And that language there in Romans one is definitive, meaning once God gives them over, he does not change his mind.

Jamie Mitchell:

Oh my. Oh my. Darrell, I know this is crazy that we’re even talking this way, but there are some Christians and Christian leaders that are embracing or even defending the trans ideology. Again, something has gone amiss. They have departed the authority of God’s word. We understand that, but what is they thinking to do this? What has gone wrong with the “Christian leaders” thinking to support trans ideology?

Darrell Harrison:

Well, personally, Jamie, this is my personal opinion. I think those professing Christian leaders are ignorant as to the origins of that ideology to begin with. They’ve simply bought into the nomenclature and vernacular of transgenderism without doing the research concerning its origins and its agenda. And speaking of its agenda, that agenda is single minded. It is to attack God’s created order for humanity as outlined in Genesis one. This is exactly what this whole entire ideology is aimed to do. It is to destroy, deconstruct God’s created order for humanity as he outlines in Genesis one. Consequently, and as a result of that, they don’t see transgenderism as a sin to be repented of. They see it as sort of a sociopsychological condition to be left unconfronted under the guise of loving your neighbor. So they have a distorted view of what it means to love your neighbor combined with an ignorance as to the origins of that ideology to begin with.

So they think that way because they see the gospel not as a narrow way to God, they see it as a wide way. They’ve widened the narrow road, one in which anyone, regardless of their spiritual condition before God, is welcome. Now we know that that’s antithetical to what scripture teaches. For example, in Ephesians 5:11, the Apostle Paul says, “Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them.” So those leaders have an apostolic command, an apostolic sense of urgency to expose this ideology for what it is because a few verses before Ephesians 5:11, Paul says, “Let no one deceive you with empty words. For because of these things, the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience, therefore do not be partakers with them.” So we’ve got this distorted idea of what it means. Well, God says we should love our neighbors, we should love our enemies, but love is rooted in truth.

That’s Ephesians 4:15. Yet, love your neighbor, but speak the truth to them.

Jamie Mitchell:

You know, Darrell, in my interaction with a lot of pastors and watching, as I do, the landscape of the evangelical church and the evangelical community, a Christian and a Christian leader just doesn’t wake up one morning and embrace transgenderism. There’s a slow bleed that happens. That’s why one of the things we’ve talked about, and you’ve even mentioned it, about the reversing of God’s order of things, when a simple move in a church of no longer seeing a distinction between men and women in leadership, it is almost like it pushes over the domino and all of a sudden then there’s an exception of homosexuality and then there’s the accepting of same-sex marriages and it really goes right down the line. Are you seeing that kind of slow slide towards this more serious and more offensive thinking?

Darrell Harrison:

Absolutely, Jamie. I think your metaphor of the dominoes is perfect because when you look across the animals of human history, whenever humanity gives itself one open door to sin, it always leads to another open door. And when you look at across the animals of human history, that open door is always a desire on the part of sinful mankind to become increasingly more sexually deviant. That is the one Human behavior that across history, man has endeavored to fall deeper into as it relates to his rebellion to God. It’s just to fall deeper and deeper into more lascivious sexual debauchery. And that’s what we’re seeing with the transgender ideology. Gender was invented as an avenue to do that. That’s what John Money was about. And I encourage your listeners to go research John Money for themselves. Don’t just take my word for it. Go do your own research.

This whole idea of gender identity was created as a doorway for human beings to divert from God’s created order in terms of how we should conduct ourselves in terms of sexual immorality and just open the door to all kinds of sexual debauchery without limit.

Jamie Mitchell:

Listen, friends, even in the midst of these troubling subjects, there are some good news. Recently, medical community began to back off on their position of doing trans affirming surgery. And that’s good news, but the battle rages on. When we return, I want Darrell to give some words of exhortation to pastors, Christians, and churches on how to deal with transgenderism. Stay with us. Well, we’re so thankful and privileged to have Dr. Darrell Harrison with us and to give up his busy schedule to be with us, to pull back the curtain on the major issue throughout the culture that is affecting the church and many of you, transgenderism. Hey, Darrell, before we finish up, could you give the listeners a little information about your ministry, your podcast, your teaching, your writings? How can they find out more about you and your ministry?

Darrell Harrison:

Yeah, I’d be glad to, Jamie. As far as my writing goes, I have a blog site. It’s titled deacondarrell.com. That’s the word Deacon. And then Darrell is spelled D-A-R-R-E-L-L. That’s deaconDarrell.com. They can go there and read my blog articles. As far as my podcast is concerned, the Just Thinking Podcast, they can go to Just Thinking. That’s one word, Justthinking.me. Just thinking.me, click on the podcast link, and they will have exposed to them all 137 episodes of the Just Thinking Podcast, which they can listen to free online.

Jamie Mitchell:

Friends, I want to encourage you to do that. Darryl has been a speaker at some conferences that I’ve been privileged to sit under, and I know you will be greatly blessed. Darrell, as we finish up, I want you to speak specifically to pastors and church leaders. And what must they be doing, both to educate their flock and protect their people from falling prey to trans ideology, but also will you speak on how to help Christian young people who seem in my point of view to be the most vulnerable right now in our culture?

Darrell Harrison:

Yeah, David, that’s a great question. I would say to church leaders and especially the pastors, that they must remind themselves that that’s their primary job. Their primary job is to protect their people from falsehood, including transgender ideology. And they must do so regardless of what it costs them in the eyes of the world. The church, Jamie, is not a social club that is open to everyone without regard to their lifestyle. It’s not that. The church is for repentant sinners who have been brought to repentance and faith by God himself. I say that in the context of one Corinthians chapter one verse 30. In other words, the church belongs to Jesus Christ, not to church leaders. Consequently, we must lead our people as Christ would have us lead them, which is in the truth. Jesus himself said that in John 17:17. So we must comport ourselves as Christ would have us rooted in his truth, not in accordance with the morays and habits and traditions of the culture.

Now, as for young people who I would agree with you, who seem most vulnerable to this demonic ideology, they’re no different really than young people from prior generations. Even young people from prior generations want to have a sense of belonging. They want to have a sense of meaning and significance, but that starts in the home, not out in the culture, not in the schools where we send our children. Now since that end, I believe Christian parents have a huge role to play. They have a huge role to play. So we must remind young people that they are created in the image of God. And as such, God makes no mistakes. He does not make mistakes. The mistake, as I see it, is in there not accepting the fact that God has created them either male or female. It’s impossible this idea up against the idea of a sovereign, omnipotent, perfect God, that you were created in the wrong body.

That’s just absurd. That’s nothing other than rebellion against their creator to accuse him of not knowing what he was doing when he created them out of all the countless billions of people who lived on this earth since God created Adam and Eve in Genesis two. So we must get our young people back to embracing a biblical anthropology of their identity and their identity is fixed in the … And God created a male or female in his image, period.

Jamie Mitchell:

Harold, we’re called to be salt and light. And I know many a pastor who talk about that in the context of the church, but some of these things that we’re talking about today, we need to hear the Christian’s voice in culture, at school board meetings, at local libraries where they’re pushing this ideology through kids’ books. Give a word to a pastor today. They’ve got to stop being afraid and be willing to speak up on these issues, not just in their church, but in their community to be a good example for their Christians in their church. Isn’t that right?

Darrell Harrison:

Perfectly said, Jamie. There’s really nothing I could add to that. You actually articulated that quite well. I would just say again to pastors out there to remind themselves that they were called to that pulpit. You were called to that pulpit, meaning Christ already owned that pulpit. He just called you to fill it to proclaim his gospel. So you cannot fear losing your job. You cannot fear losing your reputation. And interestingly, Jamie, I think that a large contributor, a big factor in many pastors being so quiet, not only on the issue of transgenderism, but other socio-cultural issues is fear. It’s timidity. They’re afraid of what the consequences might be, and which is really absurd when you consider that they profess to serve a God who died on the cross. I mean, whatever it’s going to cost you, it’s not going to cost you that. So we have to … I’m in total agreement with you, Jamie.

We have to rid ourselves of any degree of fear, anxiety, consternation as to the consequences of being involved in these issues and speaking truth to these issues. Because again, you’re serving Christ church. This is not your church. So in that context, standing for the truth, you really have nothing to lose, nothing.

Jamie Mitchell:

You got about a minute left. You do a lot of counseling. This is heartbreaking for Christian parents when they hear that their young people, their children are trafficking in trans ideology. A word to the church on being a caring community and supportive of families who are going through this. We’ve got to do better at that, don’t we?

Darrell Harrison:

Yeah, we do. I don’t disagree with you at all there, Jamie. And again, the scriptures say hymns have been written about this truth as well, that others will know that we’re Christians by our love. So indeed, love is at the forefront of what our attitude, our motive should be. Again, love for Christ first and foremost. And then out of our love for Christ, we show a compassionate love for the brethren. And I say that in the context of what the Apostle James writes in James 5:19 and 20. He says, “My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the era of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.” I don’t know any other example of how we can show love to others than that.

Jamie Mitchell:

And Darrell, you’re a gift to the church for this time, brother, because we need to hear what you have to say. We need to hear educationally, informationally, the background on this subject so that we’re well suited to both equip the church, but also take a stand in the culture today. Thank you for making time to being with us and we would love to have you back. Friends, as we wrap up this edition of Stand in the Gap Today, this issue is hard. It’s difficult. If you’re going through this as a family, we stand with you, but to face these difficult issues, we need courage. And so as I leave you always, live and lead with courage because we need it for this day. God bless you. See you again tomorrow.