The Exit-less Iran War: Epic Fury or Epic Failure?

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: J.R. McGee

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 5/14/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Thursday edition of Stand in the Gap today. And it’s also our monthly focus on national security, international geopolitics and biblical prophecy. Today, J.R. McGee, extreme leadership group founder and CEO in over 35 years. He’s been a trainer of information warfare to our best military young people, including Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and others. He’s with me today and always when we go down this road on this theme. Now today the meetings, there are meetings taking place between Donald Trump and the Chinese. They continue. I’m going to say with very uncertain outcomes at best right now. Nobody really knows a lot of speculation. We’ll give some of those ourselves. But first, the American delegation, I’m going to say what caught my attention was that there was an additional second time for has happened, but official snubbing by President Xi of China who broke from historical protocol and chose not to personally greet the president and the accompanying delegation.

They were comprised of Secretary of State Rubio, Secretary of Defense Hegseth and Treasury Secretary Bessent. And there were about 17 big business leaders ranging from Elon Musk to Larry Fink of BlackRock and covering such sectors of business such as Cargill in the agricultural sector to MasterCard and Citigroup CEOs in the payment digital financial sectors. And it was quite a delegation. Now, while no one knows what will be the final outcome, it is guaranteed that financial talks are central with the US and China literally at war financially and economically. That’s for China, they’ve been maneuvering to control global economics and supply chain efforts and finance by producing an alternative to the US dollar and the Western Swift banking system. That’s the BRICS process they’re putting together. Their success at doing so is remarkable. Being helped, I think ironically by the current Trump administration pursuing, he didn’t just start it, but it’s been happening, but pursuing at this point deficit spending here in America at a rate greater than any previous administration.

What’s that doing? What drives up inflation? And it lowers the reason why any country like China would want to invest in depreciating US treasury bills and bonds and all that’s taking place as we speak. Now into this discussion enters another point to be discussed and that is Iran and oil and the Strait of Hormuz and the fact that the global supply of oil is about to run out. All in my observation part of why the Iran war was started and why there is at this time no easy exit. This brings us to our focus today, which involves Iran, the United States obviously, China and Russia and some other nations. The title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is this, The Exit Less Iran War Epic Fury or Epic Failure? And we’ll fit all those pieces together as we get going. JR, welcome. Back to the program.

Always great to have you on.

J.R. McGee:

It’s always a pleasure, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

JR, the war with Iran now impacting the entire globe we know is extraordinarily dangerous from an economic perspective. Started on February 28th. The world was told really to be kind of short, but it’s not 75 days long now as of today. And according to congressional testimony just two days ago, has topped cost of over $30 billion. Those are just direct costs. Indirect costs are more than triple that. Additional costs per day, $500 million that’s costing us a day with indirect costs such as what’s happening economically here because of the price of oil going up and it’s well over that. Now, just because of time, I want to get right into it here because from the standpoint of Iran, they’ve been remarkably consistent in what they are demanding as objectives. They are not agreeing to surrender basically is what President Trump is telling them to do.

So from your perspective, what is Iran’s primary strategy or strategies since they appear absolutely unwilling to surrender to the dictates of President Trump?

J.R. McGee:

That’s an interesting question. And also I want to address the non-ending portion of this. World War II lasted four and a half years. The Korean War lasted several years, in fact, is still ongoing. The wars with Iraq and Afghanistan lasted almost 20 years and we’re looking at 75 days into this and people are already starting to call it a quagmire. I’m failing to follow that logic. This is absolutely happening incredibly fast. In fact, it’s happening faster than the 100 hour war that started 1991 with Iraq. But Iran is following a strategy of pure survival and delay. Ironically, they believe that if they can just survive to them, that is victory. And as bad as it sounds, the American Democrats are giving them that hope. They’re talking about passing resolutions that prohibit Trump from persecuting this war. They’re trying to tie Trump’s hands. They’re trying to stop all of this.

Iran believes that the Democrats are going to win the war for them in essence. And if they can just hang on long enough, if they can just delay this, the political pressure on Donald Trump will force Donald Trump to stop. And if they survive, that’s all they need to declare victory through this. It’s a very strange strategy, but that’s exactly what’s occurring.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. But in reality, JR, the administration has refused to call this a war. Congress has to declare war. The 60 days came up and so there was an evasion. Well, we’re at peace now and so they tried to start to clock. So we’ve got a problem in that what is actually happening is not happening according to our own law. It’s not declared at war and from an Iran perspective in reality, they never were able to compete militarily. So for them to say, “If we can survive, we’ve won.” Is that totally illegitimate?

J.R. McGee:

It’s not illegitimate because that’s what their people want to believe. That’s what they need the other Gulf states to think and believe. And if the leadership in Iran can survive, they can rebuild. And in their eyes, that is a massive victory in the face of what America can bring to the table and Israel. The combination of the American military and the Israeli military have been astonishingly dominant. There’s no way Iran could have won that militarily. Therefore, their only strategy has to be political and from a propaganda point of view that says, “We won because we’re still here. America couldn’t defeat us.” The lack of a clear surrender is all they need to declare victory.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, so you’re just getting a sense. JR and I could really go back and forth on this for a long time because there’s a lot of perspectives on this regarding what constitutes victory. And that’s been an issue from the beginning. What is the goal? When will we know if it’s achieved from our perspective, from an Iranian perspective? They could never compete with us on the ground militarily, but if they can outlast us economically, which is kind of what’s happening, well, that’s another strategy. So again, a lot of things going on. We’re going to go further into this, particularly zeroing in the next segment on the Strait of Hormuz because that is a focal point of all the discussion with Iran. Well, if you’re just joining us today, J.R. McGee is back with me today and when we are together, we discuss geopolitics, national security.

We conclude almost always in some aspect of biblical prophecy because you cannot talk about what’s happening around the world without ending up or frankly starting there and ending up there. And we’ll do that in today’s program. The main focus is Iran, what’s happening over there. And so let’s get back into that, JR. While the world, ladies and gentlemen, is focused and it is right now, it’s focused on when you look at the Middle East. The focus keeps going back to the Strait of Hormuz. All right now the straight of the moose, and I’m going to say due to the US-Israel attack against Iran, Iran limited the flow of oil through the strait. And it’s critical to remember because here are a lot of different narratives, but it’s critical to remember that before February 28th, when that war was started, the strait was fully open. Oil was flowing, there was not an issue.

But now that the White House has shifted the narrative to the goal of getting the straight reopened, though it was expected that once attacked Iran would actually move to limit the flow through straight, that did exist. So all in all honesty, a problem that did not exist was intentionally created for which now military force is being requested to resolve, but will it? And that’s a key. That’s a key question. Now here’s a list, a little bit of history about the street. The Strait of Hormuz is often called the world’s most important oil artery. Its economic value is not just measured in the dollars of trade passing through it, but in its role as a price setting mechanism for the entire global economy and that’s because there was a relationship there of the countries in the Middle East regarding the US dollar with OPEC. Now under normal operating conditions pre-February 28, the strait handled approximately 21 million barrels of oil per day, which is roughly 21% of the total global petroleum consumption.

20% in addition, 20% of the world’s liquefied natural gas primarily from cutter, went through the strait as well and found its way into fertilizer and helium, which is used to make computer chips. Now what makes it so unique is that this strait has no real alternative for the volume of oil that flows to the world. Now, whereas there are other straits such as the strait of Malaka, which actually has more oil flowing through it per day, 23.2 million barrels, there are alternatives to that one. A couple of other days, longer trip will get the oil through, but not so with the Strait of Hormuz. It’s a uniquely critical choke point for energy, therefore its economic impact is a choke point and a control valve and the maintenance of the current global financial structure based on the dollar is all tied up with what happens there in the Strait of Remus.

All right now JR, from your perspective, I’ve laid out a few things there, but from your perspective, why is the Strait of Hermus so important to the US? Why is the White House attempting to convince the American people that they should need to be reopened the straight when in reality we actually were the ones who caused it to close and here’s the other question tied into it. There’s been an attempt to get Europe and Asia to help us reopen or keep it open, however you want to look at it and they actually need the oil more than we do. So there’s some complexing things in there. Talk about that.

J.R. McGee:

There certainly is, Sam. And here’s the issue. We knew when we began this kinetic activity against Iran that one of their main weapons was going to be closing the Strait. I hear a lot of people say that we didn’t think about that. We knew precisely that was what they were going to go do. What is occurring and the reason why it’s important is there are no other militaries out there existent today that could reopen that. Nobody else has the military capability to address those situations. Ironically, we removed our mine sweepers less than a month before we did this, which I’m struggling to understand the thought process behind that. But other than that, everything we have over there is dominant. Nobody else has the ships, nobody else has the capability, nobody else has the training to address those threats and to control that and open that.

And the reason why it’s incredibly important is the US economy is dependent upon other countries’ economies. When they suffer, we suffer. Our systems are incredibly dynamically linked these days. There’s no country that stands alone in isolation and it’s in everybody’s best interest to get this back up and open as quickly as possible.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. You still there? Are you going to say more? Yes,

J.R. McGee:

Sir.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Okay. If you could clear it, then let me go on to that because there are other Gulf states, Saudi, Kuwait, UAE and others, but they are very reluctant to get involved and to assist the US and any military attacks against Iran because Iran in some respects went after and they damaged US military bases located in those countries. They’ve taken out refineries and other infrastructure. So there’s reasons why perhaps, but there’s other things happening there as well with those countries. So it does leave the US very much alone. Don’t wait to think about those other countries in Middle East who may have a greater interest in getting the things opened up again, not wanting to become overly involved right now.

J.R. McGee:

You have to understand the politics behind some of these other Gulf countries. They’re very hesitant to get involved in military action.That’s throughout their history. They tend to avoid war. They’re incredibly good at negotiating because their tendency is to avoid conflict whenever possible. Now to that point, the UAE in particular has attacked Iran. They have conducted kinetic operations in Iran, but they do not want the world to know that. They don’t want their own people to know that. Saudi Arabia has also engaged in kinetic activity against Iran because Iran has not only bombed US bases in these countries, they’ve bombed the infrastructure that belongs to the UAE itself and Saudi Arabias. They’ve tried to take out some of their desalination plants that provide water for their people. They’ve taken out refineries, they’ve taken out oil pipelines. They’ve gone after these countries very aggressively. And the reason why they don’t want the world to know their involvement is because the people of the UAE don’t always agree with the rulers of UAE.

The people of Saudi Arabia don’t always agree with the rulers of Saudi Arabia. So they’re trying to take corrective action to protect their nation and at the same time not antagonize their people to raise up on religious grounds because a lot of the religious people tend to support Iran and Iran’s religious beliefs. There’s a large Shia community in the UAE and also in Saudi Arabia. Although the dominant Muslim sect in Saudi Arabia is Sunni, there’s still a large population of Shia there that support Iran. So politically, they’ve got to walk a very fine line between what they’re doing and what their people see and what their people support.

It’s a very complicated, complex dance. And then you put China in all of that and Russia and Russia’s supplying military arms to Saudi Arabia and several of the Gulf States now because of the previous Biden administration’s policies, it becomes even more complicated. The dynamic is changing not just daily, but sometimes by the hour and sensitivities are running very high. People are taking offense at things that normally they would have swept under the rug, but now they’re heightened. Tweets social media has compounded this problem of diplomacy and how we’re working with our allies. We could spend two, three hours just talking about the damage that social media has done to diplomacy throughout the world, but all of these things combined to create a very complex, dynamic environment that they’re trying to work within, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And I think that’s great. We could go on and on. So you’ve laid that out, but let me conclude with this. Let’s go back to the Strait of Hormuz. Who actually controls it? Someone say it’s open. Some would say it’s closed. Some say we do it. Some we say we don’t. Actually, that question was posed directly to Secretary Hegseth in a congressional hearing just before he left for China and when he was asked that question, he refused to answer it saying the question was illegitimate. It’s not legitimate to ask who controls the Strait. What do you think?

J.R. McGee:

That’s also a very complicated question and it’s got two answers. It’s got a tactical answer and a strategic answer. Tactically, the United States controls the Strait. No ifs, no ands, no buts, no controversy about it. We control the movement through there. Strategically, Iran through their use of small craft and harassment are threatening commercial shippers and the commercial shippers are deciding it’s not worth the risk to try to go through. So Iran is applying strategic pressure, but the United States controls everything going into and out of Iran. Nothing is going into and out of Iran. But through the use of these small attack boats and drones, Iran is harassing some of these commercial shippers and they’re not willing to take the risk. So effectively there’s a tactical answer and a strategic answer.

Sam Rohrer:

And JR, I mean, you laid that out. I think perfectly that can make things complicated, but ladies and gentlemen, at the end of the day, the average person would say, “Well, is oil flowing through or not? ” It’s not. So who controls it? Aha. There you go. Ultimately, that’s why Iran says we control it because there’s no oil going through. All right. End of the day, the whole world is being limited on oil going through hormones. Political consideration, tactical consideration. At the end of the day, is oil flowing? The answer is no. Oil’s not flowing. We come back. We’re going to look at the Chinese, Russians.

Well, if Iran, which we’re talking about here today, Iran, just talked about the Strait of Hormuz and gave some facts on what’s happening there because that’s the choke point for oil to the world there at that point there. But if Iran was totally on its own, I’m going to submit the discussion today regarding the strait of Hormuz would likely be much different, but the reality is Iran is not alone and I’m going to suggest increasingly not alone. For instance, the emergence of what analysts are now calling the axis of upheaval. Who is that? The axis of upheaval now includes Russia and China and Iran and most are throwing into that North Korea. And on earlier programs, JR and you and I have talked about those nations, but together they are representing a fundamental shift in the global security landscape. For instance, as of mid 2026, where we are now, the most significant strategic concern for the United States is no longer any single nation as in Iran, but the cohesion of this quartet of nations to provide what they are viewing as a fail safe entity against Western pressure being led by the United States.

But from my perspective, this alliance, which increasingly is witnessing the alignment of the nation also, you got to throw in Turkey into that. It produces what many are referring to as a technocratic efficiency. It’s an alliance that’s essentially being constructed to provide for a distributed supply chain for war. Here’s what I mean by that. China represents the money and a technical component in this quartet, which keeps Iran and Russia intact despite any amount of sanctions the United States wants to put against Iran and Russia. North Korea produces low cost hardware, which we know ends up and is being used by Russia and Iran. Russia provides intel and equipment to Iran and to other Mid-East countries and Iran actually provides most significantly geography. It’s right there in the Middle East. Together, Russia and China provide the energy which is needed by China. You see how all that works together?

Not accidental. JR, I just gave a bit of my thought on the role of Russia and China in the current situations surrounding Iran, but from your perspective, how do China and Russia fit into our discussion today relative to Iran and what may or may happen next in regard to what’s taking place there?

J.R. McGee:

Sam, you sum that up pretty nicely with how you framed all that together. China and Russia are both in an emerging nation conflict with America who is in most people’s view a declining power. And when you’ve got an emerging nation against a declining nation, it almost always historically results in some form of war, some form of conflict. China and Russia are complimentary. China was the younger brother in the beginning of this, but now China economically has emerged as the powerhouse. Russia is still the leading distributor and manufacturer of military arms, but China ironically is providing Iran with most of their air defense systems that we are having to take out. They’re providing Iran with most of the surface to ship missiles that are being launched from land against the ship containers. China is supplying a lot of the training and the background and ironically now some of the financing for Iran. See, we’ve talked several times about sanctions. Sanctions do not work long term. There’s never been an example where sanctions have had the desired effect long term.

There’s always a way around them and China has the economic resources to simply go around any sanctions that we put into place long term. The only thing that we have found that is working is this embargo. Shutting off all flow of oil into and out of Iran to China has had a dramatic impact on both Iran and China.That’s having a very significant determination on this summit that’s currently going on or just finished in Beijing. China’s economy is dependent upon Russian oil and Iranian oil and Venezuelan oil. And we took two of those three off the table. Venezuela is no longer supplying oil to China like it was.

Iran is no longer supplying oil to China like it was. That’s having a dramatic impact on the Chinese economy, which while they’re awash with cash, their economy is in very, very fragile shape. Their economy is struggling. Their unemployment rate for their young people is astronomical and they’re entirely dependent on exports. And when that Strait is shut down, one fifth of all world travel, not world travel, but world trade goes through that strait. Another major part goes through the straits of Maluka, like we talked about earlier. And those are beginning to impact China’s economy at the worst possible time for China. So all of these things are playing together and it’s actually a war in everything but name. We talked about the fact that war has to be declared by Congress, but our enemies don’t have to go through Congress. They can declare war on us.

Whether we acknowledge that or not, that’s almost irrelevant. China considers themselves at war with us. Iran considers themselves at war with us. And to a degree, Russia considers themselves at war with the United States. It’s a war of economics. It’s a war of technology. It’s a war of trade and it’s a war over resources and rare earth and materials and assets. It’s a war that has to be won by one side or the other, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

And so the discussions are there. Let’s go. And I think this laid out well. I know one of the things that clearly appears to have happened is that China, almost anticipating things were going to happen there loaded up with reserves. The numbers I’ve seen are 1.2 billion barrels in reserve. They can outlast ours. We’ve used up most of what our reserves here. They are now buying from Brazil, believe it or not, and they’re buying more from Russia. So China has anticipated some of this. They have strengths. They have weaknesses. There are all of that. So answer two questions, put it together because we have the ending here. From your perspective, is China as formidable as some may portray and in this particular summit which is now kind of coming to a conclusion, what do you think China’s strengths and what are their weaknesses are into that summit?

What do we think may come out of that summit?

J.R. McGee:

China’s strengths are their finance. They have gotten a lot of money and ironically they’ve gotten most of their money from the US. We’ve given them most of our treasury. We gave them our manufacturing. We buy all of their products. We’ve given them the money that is their greatest strength and they’re using that money against us and against other nations. China also has a strength in sheer size, both the numbers of people and their focus on long-term strategy. China is not driven by today. China is driven by 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now. And China has always been extremely good at playing the long game, not necessarily as good at playing the short game. United States plays for today. China plays for the next century. Another strength that China has is they’re building their military and their infrastructure. And by infrastructure, I mean their pipelines, their supply chains, their access to minerals and resources at a faster rate than any country in history has ever built, including what we did in the run up to World War II.

China is growing and building and investing in what they need to win whatever they’ve got to go up against in the future. Now, where China’s weaknesses are is China has almost no internal energy assets. They’ve got to get their oil, natural gas and liquid petroleum from other countries.That’s a significant deficit. China also is operating from a position of weakness in that in this summit it looks like they agreed to nothing except happy talk and they made a huge deal out of Taiwan. This issue with Taiwan is critical. China saw what we did to Iran and Iran’s Navy. They took very significant lessons from that in what would happen if they invaded Taiwan. So they’re going aggressive on that. What China’s doing, some people interpret as a position of strength. I think it’s more of position of fear. They’re concerned that if they don’t look strong, that they’re going to be revealed as incapable of taking Taiwan.

So they’ve got to come on very strong with that. You don’t get rid of your key generals and admirals if you Trust them and if they’re doing a good job, that’s a sign of weakness. You don’t do what they’re doing with Taiwan if you think you can go get it at any point in time. All of this to me suggests weakness and concern, not strength.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. And that right up to the break, ladies and gentlemen, okay as Jay and I said before we began the program, the topics that we’re covering today could literally, if we had a free form program we could take hours. There is so much more that we could pull back that have touch on every point that we have made. And that’s a difficult thing. As we consider things, we hear information on all sides. Takes a great deal of wisdom to sort out and we’re just trying to sort out some of the high points on this issue. When you come back now, we’re going to, as I said earlier, conclude with a biblically and a prophetic perspective because we’ve got to consider all of this through that.

Well, as we go into our final segment, just a reminder to all of you who have been with us today that this program, all previous programs you can find on our website or on the app. And if you haven’t downloaded our free app, really I would encourage you to do that because it’s so easy to take and access the entire library of these programs, you can find Stand in the Gap minute programs, you can find weekend programs which are different. You can put questions, you can contribute financially and become a part of the ministry. You can do everything there and it’s very, very handy. When you bring up a program like today, because so many of them have information that it’s not possible for most people anyways to remember everything, you can access a transcript that’s available almost immediately after the programs are posted there.

And you can follow down through and read that transcript and listen to the program again and that joint action is really helpful I’ve found in helping to cement certain pieces of truth and information shared and link that together. So I would just encourage you to do that. All right. Now as we’ve said, and I’ve said a couple times already during the program that any time you talk about the Middle East and particularly Israel, they’re in the Middle East, there is simply no way to properly, honestly, completely consider, analyze or contemplate what is happening without looking back, looking around and looking ahead. And how can one do that? Well, the world can’t, but we as believers can because we do so by looking through the lens of biblical prophecy because God’s word gives us history of the nations that are right on the front pages of the newspapers today.

They’re in the scripture. Bible tells what’s going to happen. And again, it all revolves around Israel, which the word of God says the entire world will be drawn right exactly where it is today, the Middle East and Israel and Jerusalem becomes a stumbling block people like a magnet. The nations of the world cannot stay away and that’s because of God’s doing. Well, how do we know that? That’s what the Bible says. Okay. JR, just from this perspective, other than what I’ve said, add to it, but why should any of this that we’ve considered today concern us as Americans and specifically Christians and what thoughts have you that … And then go from there and just walk right into this. To what degree are what we seeing, what we’re seeing develop and unfold? How does that tie in to biblical prophecy and does it? Or are we just simply watching the news of the day like the world reports the news of the day, it just happens because it happens?

J.R. McGee:

Well, you know, Sam, even while we’ve been on the show, news is continuing to break. Hezbollah just attacked Israel again and injured three civilians in a rocket attack against Israel. We’re calling this a ceasefire, but that’s ironic because there’s nothing about this. It’s a ceasefire. People are still shooting at everybody all the time. There’s another aspect to this that nobody has talked about and that is in addition to controlling shipping through the straits of Hormuz, Iran wants to control the internet cables. There’s multiple internet cables that go through Iran to the rest of the Gulf and the rest of Asia and Europe. There’s systems such like the Gulf Bridge International Cable, the Falcon cable, the Asian African European cable, the GBICS cable. There’s dozens of internet cables. Iran has demanded that now they’d be given complete control over the maintenance, operation, and control of all of those internet cables.

That could shut down major portions of the internet accessibility to not just the Gulf nations, but also Europe, Asia, and Africa. And if those go down, ours go down. All of these things have an opportunity to impact us directly. Gone are the days where things happen somewhere else and unless it happened in our neighborhood, it didn’t affect us directly. Every bit of this affects our pocketbook. It affects our security. It affects our ability to do business. It affects our supply chain. It affects our agriculture. I mean, let’s face it, not just oil is going through the Strait of Hormuz. The components needed to make fertilizer are going through the Strait of Hormuz. The price of fertilizer is going through the roof and that’s going to affect American farmers, which is going to affect American food supplies, which is going to affect our pocketbook six, nine, 12 months down the road.

All of this stuff is incredibly related. Now, how does this tie together with the Bible? A lot of people want to think, “Oh, this is the sign the rapture’s happening any moment.” It absolutely could. It could happen before you and I finish this program. But what I’m seeing is the God of the Bible is still moving pieces around the chessboard. He is still working in the hearts of kings and government leaders. He is moving people, organizations and countries into alignment that sets the stage for what the Bible tells us is absolutely going to occur. This new peace board that Donald Trump is now heading that’s overseeing Gaza and parts of the Middle East, you and I have talked about this. I absolutely believe that is the blueprint for an organization that could be taken over by the antichrist and used for world governance. All of that is being built, it’s being put into place, it’s being set up designed and debugged and it’s only going to grow.

That methodology of governance appears to be very popular in the world’s eyes. Ironically, freedom and liberty and freedom of speech is not popular around the world. You would think that that would be what everyone wanted. It’s not. Throughout history, the dominant form of government has either been a king, a dictator or a benevolent ruler. People want to have someone tell them what to do. I don’t understand that, but historically that’s undeniable. And all of these things are being set up and the world is moving towards these alignments with different groups that are being set up, just creating the infrastructure that’s going to bring the Bible absolutely to life. We can see it. In fact, if you can’t see it, it’s because you’re not looking. I believe that all of these things are happening. They’re happening in ways that the news media don’t understand because A, they’re not looking at it through a biblical worldview lens.

B, they’re not looking at it historically. They’re looking at it from what makes the best soundbite for the news today. And if that’s the only perspective that you put into this, none of these things are going to make sense and it’s going to open everybody up to falling for all kinds of propaganda. The one thing I would encourage everyone to do avoid propaganda. Everything that you hear is suspect at this point. That’s why I look at what’s occurring, not what people are saying. I look at what actions happen and then I try to determine what’s the root cause for that. What transpired to have that happen and what is the result or the reward or the satisfaction people are getting from that? That helps me cut through the propaganda and the noise to see what’s actually going on in real time in the real world.

That takes work. Most human beings don’t have time to put that kind of research and that kind of effort into figuring this thing out. They’re listening to news on the way to and from work and that’s it. Somebody’s got to do these things that you and your show are doing to provide information to people who don’t have time to figure this out.

Sam Rohrer:

And JR, we’re out of time and that’s why we love to have you on the program and I know our listeners are so appreciative and ladies and gentlemen, that’s why each day we ask you to pray for us that as we approach the headline news of the day that we look through the lens of scripture and that’s how we encourage you to do it. The word of God is the only thing that is true and when we look through that grid, it makes a lot of the confusion we see around us come into focus and that is what we hope has happened a little bit today.