Fitting the Pieces Together: AI, Data Centers, & The Emerging Digital Prison

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Leo Hohmann

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 5/21/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Thursday edition of Stand in the Gap today. Over the last couple of years on this program, I’ve talked with numerous guests from multiple perspectives about, well, rapidly expanding technology that’s frankly engulfed all of us and is frankly ready near the point of running the world. What is that technology? Well, it started with the internet years ago. Now here’s just a bit of a history. First known as the ARPANET, not the internet, but the ARPANET, a secret government communication system designed under the direction of the then advanced research projects agency ARPA, that was in 1969. That entity is now known as DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. But it was done for the DOD under the direction of the CIA and connected to both of them. All right now that 69, so it’s been around for quite some time. This technology now carries the technology and the name of what’s expanded into, well, that was a carrier.

The internet now is a carrier for communication, but within that has been infused as what we call AI or artificial intelligence with its ability to analyze, review and produce instantaneous decisions and recommendations based on the massive volumes of information. Frankly, the sum total of all recorded human knowledge being dumped into, well, there are now 11,000 data centers reportedly up and running globally transmitted through the global internet web. Reportedly, as of today, when I did the research, over 4,000 of these data, of these 11,000 are actually located in the United States here alone, 4,000 of them with many more being built. The question surrounding these databases includes why is government so aggressive in seeing their warp speed development? Now, obviously I use that word warp speed. They’re not, but we know where that came from a few years ago. Warp speed development. And what do they mean for the future of Americans in the entire human race, because this is global.

These questions are consuming people’s minds for which answers and particularly truthful answers are not forthcoming. Neither those in government or those who profit by artificial intelligence and data centers and the information that they are collecting every second of the day from literally every point of identifiable form of communication, they believe they have no reason to tell us the truth as they really don’t feel that they are answerable to anyone and that starts with God. One person with whom I have had some discussions on this program about these topics and who is an independent investigative journalist and writes prolifically about these and about every article, every subject of interest is Leo Hohmann and he’s back with me today. The title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is this, Fitting the Pieces Together AI, Data Centers and the Emerging Digital Prison. Now today I’m going to try to deal with the what, the who, the how and the where of these things.

But with that welcome, Leo, great to have you back. You’ve been busy writing and you’ve spent a lot of time in this area, so I’m glad to have you on the program today.

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah. Thanks, Sam, for having me back.

Sam Rohrer:

You released a most informative article recently that you entitled What’s Behind the US Obsession with Building Thousands of Data Centers. Didn’t you go on to answer the question as well in that title where you said, “Look to Washington’s Autonomous Warfare Center for Clues.” Now in today’s program, we’re going to consider what you found as well as other clues as well. So let’s get right into it. From your research, let’s define some terms here, Leo, just to get on the same wavelength. How would you define the term AI, artificial intelligence, because we’re referring to that a lot through the program.

Leo Hohmann:

I believe artificial intelligence is an entire system of life that’s being created by man to usurp the role of God in society. It’s like a modern tower of Babel, meaning we’re going to collect all of the information, all of the history, all of the knowledge and manly wisdom that we have access to and there’s a lot of it. If you go back starting from history, the beginning of dawning of history until now and we’re going to feed that information into a computing system and we’re going to select what we want in there and eliminate what we don’t want in there and it can feed on itself over time. It can at some point achieve what they call artificial general intelligence, AGI, a singularity where it actually starts to become an entity of its own. I think we’re getting ready to achieve that point now where this system created by man sort of displaces man and replaces humans in all aspects of life.

It’s in the process starting in the last year or two and it’s going to just speed up of replacing human beings in almost every aspect of life. Most human beings aren’t even aware of that yet because that’s not how AI is presented to us, but it is an alternative just generally speaking from 30,000 feet above, it’s an alternative system for life to replace the God ordained order here on earth with a God-like presence. The idea is to become omnipotent, omnipresent and all knowing

And replace God in that way.

Sam Rohrer:

All right, let’s leave it there, ladies and gentlemen. We’re going to build it out. Keep that in mind. Now let’s go to this. Data centers. We’re talking about AI and the data center of which is 11,000 functioning already according to publicly available information around the world. So it’s global 4,000 here in the US. How would you define what is meant by data center?

Leo Hohmann:

The data centers are simply the mechanism by which the data and AI has to have input in order to get to the output, right? And so the input is the data. They want to scoop up and gather data from everybody and everything, every living thing, every inanimate and animate object starting with the things that we use, right? Our vehicles, our homes, our phones, our laptops, our appliances, everything you can imagine that is inanimate and used as a tool is gathering up, scooping up data on the people who use these tools and all of that data has to be processed and analyzed and stored on a computing system and that is where the hard drives, the servers, these huge server farms is basically what they are, these data centers and they have to be cooled with fresh water, not wastewater, but fresh water. And I think that’s a key to understanding the whole replacement idea that I described in your first question.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And hold that Leo. We’re about out of time. Ladies and gentlemen, think about this. AI is the intelligence. Data centers are the physical engine that makes it possible. In other words, AI runs on data centers. They work together. The balance of the program stay with us will tell you how and who. Well, if you wondered about how artificial intelligence and all of this push for data centers being constructed all around this country, why that all is and how it’s connected because we’re hearing a lot of information. Actually, I’m going to put in there not a whole lot of truthful information. We’re hearing information. So I decided to pursue this today. The title is Fitting the Pieces Together, AI, Data Centers, and the Emerging Digital Prison. So it gives you an idea by the title where it will end up more or less. But my special guest, again, returning expert guest is Leo Hohmann, author, researcher, and independent investigative journalist, writes articles every week on the most, I’m going to say the most significant issues and events that are out there and you can find all of them and you can subscribe to him.

And he’s independent, which means that people don’t subscribe. He can’t continue doing what he’s doing, but his website, Leo Hohmann, two ends on that leohomen.substack.com and I’ll give that again. All right, now I’m trying to proceed logically, talking about the who and the how of this matter of AI and the data centers. Here’s some, I want to give us a little bit of an introduction, then I’m going to go to Leo for further comment. But the logical next question I think surrounding after we’ve defined the terms, which Leo did in the last segment, is why there is almost a frenzied construction of thousands of data centers and that is the who and the how. Who’s behind this full court press? How are they accomplishing this enormous feat? Because it is an enormous feat, both in scope and cost. Well, in short, the who behind this expansion is primarily, I’m going to say in four different areas.

First is financial, financial mega funds and asset managers. For instance, like if you were to Google, you would find what I’m saying because not my assumption. And these are names that we’ve all heard. For instance, BlackRock, largest asset manager in the world, trillions of dollars all over the world. It’s CEO Larry Fink. Then there is Blackstone, that’s a funder as well. It’s CEO Steven Schwartzman. And then there are sovereign wealth funds like MGX, Tamisec, which brings in sovereign funds from places like Abu Dhabi in the Middle East. All right. Then there are high tech companies. They’re called hyperscalers such as cloud providers. When you put things in storage goes into the cloud, it doesn’t mean it’s up in the sky, but it means it’s in its interconnected network. Ultimately it’s data centers and such people involved in that, names that we know would be Nvidia’s, Jensen Wong and Elon Musk of Tesla, Tim Cook, CEO of Apple.

Then there are sovereign governments because you have to have a legal entity in order to make all of this come about because it requires great change. You got to force it on people somehow governments come into that and such entities, the major push right now in the Western world is out of the White House here in America, the White House and federal agencies. Defense contractors are a part of this and they include such people as Palantir. We’ll talk about them a little bit later and Peter Thiel who started that, started by the CIA, but it’s under contract now to literally every department of the United States government. Then there are other major governments and enterprises involved. And then the last one would be global policy forums, philanthropic networks. The best known would be World Economic Forum and the lesser known would be the National Science Foundation.

All of these pieces, they work together. And every name that I just gave you right there, by the way, Larry Fink from BlackRock, Steven Schwartzman, Jensen Wong, Elon Musk and others that I mentioned, they happened also to have been meeting with the president very closely to our president from the very beginning and they accompanied him on the recent trip to China, those ones I just mentioned, plus a bunch of others. So this whole thing has money behind it. It has World Economic Forum people that are justifying the policy for why to do it. And then you have government adherence like out of our White House that are pushing it forward. Now, how’s it being done? Well, they’re working in collaboration. When I did my research, because there’s very little actually coming through law that are facilitating things. It’s coming through executive order, which is very interesting, executive order.

Now, lest you think that the six at this point, the six executive orders signed by President Trump, which is pushing this whole effort warp speed. He did two in this first administration and then the others in this one. I also have to say that Joe Biden, if you pursue this, Joe Biden is actually credited with building the policy in the infrastructure for EI. He signed two executive orders, one in 2023, then one in 2025. Then Donald Trump came along, put it on steroids and now we have where we’re going. All right, Leo, I just gave a little bit of an overview there because it’s a collaboration of things that are happening, not just in this country but around the world. So anything that you want to add to this, please do, but then let’s move further into the concept of how all of this from your perspective can actually be done because it is monumental in its impact, lots of opposition to data centers, but yet it just keeps right on going.

Leo Hohmann:

Exactly. And that’s because President Trump in his executive order from a few months ago actually it was last year, July 23rd, I believe of last year, did an executive order to put AI data centers under the classification of military installations related to national security. And by doing that, he placed it out of the purview of state and local government. So state and local government and the people who are represented by elected officials supposedly in their communities now have no power to stop an AI data center from being built in their community. Their own elected officials have to bow to the federal government because it’s now a matter of national security and considered part of the United States military complex. So they have really rigged the table against the people and it feeds right into this whole idea of a technocracy and a government run by experts and a corporate board as opposed to elected officials.

Sam Rohrer:

Yes, it does. And we could go much deeper on that, but executive orders, think about it. Bypass Congress, no deliberation on what it is, make it by executive action. Executive departments are that branch of government doesn’t have the authority to make law, yet these executive orders are making law, making determinations that avoid the court. Now some states have sued because this conflicts actually with the 10th amendment of state’s rights, but nonetheless, it’s just going down the road. Leo, go into this as well because the data centers, as we talked about, collects information and holds knowledge which then AI taps into. Talk to me a little bit about what you’re finding out about the many sources from where information is coming, because literally it’s coming from all stands. I liked your definition of comparing it almost to the Tower of Babel, the pursuit of knowledge, because literally it isn’t happening every place anything is being generated it seems.

Leo Hohmann:

And just to finish that thought I had started in that last segment before we broke off, it’s all powered by these huge server farms, data centers, but they are reliant on fresh water to cool their servers. And if you think about it, as I described AI in the beginning as a competing system, an alternative competing system to that ordained by God and the whole idea of a constitution and limited government, this is all a competing system and it depends on the main sustenance of human life on the planet all life, not just human life, is fresh water. And so we are now in a situation where communities of people, animals, people, plants, they’re all reliant on fresh water and we’ve got these massive data centers being built with no approval or say so by the local community and the people who live in it and they are going to be sucking up all the water.

And so something’s got to give, as I wrote in one of my recent articles, either the number of people is going to have to be drastically reduced or the number of data centers they want to build is going to have to be reduced. You can’t have both. Something has to give and I know that according to the plan of these globalist power elites, which one it is. It’s no coincidence that we’ve got wars, famines, and pestilences brewing all over the world and it all, every single one of these crises, whether it be Iran or Gaza or Lebanon or the Strait of Hormuz, choking the life supply out of that straight in terms of energy and fertilizer to grow food, it all adds up, Sam, to depopulation. And I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

Sam Rohrer:

Leo, we’re in the break here right now. We’ll take that further. But what you’re saying, I want to say, ladies and gentlemen, if you’re listening to us, that’s not speculation on part of Leo. That’s a logical conclusion, but it’s more than that. Those that are part of the policy, the proponents behind this, the Bill Gates of the world, the World Economic Forum people that are all a part of this, they’ve all said the very same thing. They have said the very same thing. We have too many people, so they have no problem in putting forth things that compete with things that people need. Stay with us. We’ll go further the next time. Well, if you’re just joining us, Leo Hohmann, independent investigative journalist is with me again today. His website is Leo Hohmann, two Ns in that name.substack.com. You can find all of his articles and you can also subscribe to make sure that you do not miss anything that he writes and I would encourage you to do that.

Excuse me. But the theme today is something that impacts all of us. We’re calling it fitting the pieces together AI, data centers, and the emerging digital prison. In the first segment, Leo defined artificial intelligence, data center. And then I gave just a very quick overview of basically how they are connected because they work together. Without the data centers and the information, the artificial intelligence does not have anything to draw from. So they go together. The internet, which I talked about earlier, began all the way back in 1969 is the framework that is now connected globally that allows the transmission of everything that you get in digital forum and AI is now embedded into everything that we’re getting and it’s becoming even more involved and the data, we’ll talk about that, the data that it is collecting, it is getting … Well, let’s put it this way, it’s an appetite I don’t think that’s ever satisfied.

And in the last segment, we talked about who’s involved in it. You have government involved in it, you have high tech companies like Elon Musk and Navidias Jensen Wong of his company, Apple Amazon is involved in data centers. So they’re all over the place. There’s BlackRock and Blackstone who are putting in the money, government sovereign wealth funds like coming out of the Middle East, Abu Dhabi and others are heavily involved putting in billions of dollars. So they’re all working together. Then you have World Economic Forum people who are the business theoretically independent, which they’re not proponents that give the philosophy for why it’s better that a few elite can run the world and this becomes their tool. So that’s where it’s going. That’s what it is. Now, let’s go into the where and what. Now, where are we headed with it? Because when all things AI, artificial intelligence and data centers are considered the comprehensive nature of data centers to receive and store in real time twenty four seven, literally every piece of data from every source that generates data is staggering.

Now here’s some, smartphones, when you upload pictures to the cloud, when you post digital information on Facebook or anything of that type, you go to doctor’s offices. We talk about Twila Braze on this program. Conversations that happen in that office, electronic health records maintained by the government are in this network. Patient health records are in that. Information from all government agencies, including the Department of Defense, Homeland Security, Health and Human Services, Social Security, IRS, all of that stuff that used to be separated, collected by government through Doge has been made available and thrown into that system from every digital search that you do, anything I do, or we post digital financial transactions, credit card transactions, camera feeds from stoplight cameras to automated highway toll cameras or the camera if you put outside your house to help you know who’s coming to the door, it’s connected to wifi, it’s all in there, everything literally being connected.

And when it’s in there, it’s not lost. It has history, has everything. And with AI, you can analyze it, you can review it, you can analyze, you can bring pieces together at literally lightning speed. How’s it being sold to us? Oh, it’s good. We’re told. It’s progress we’re told. It’s necessary to keep ahead of the Chinese. We’re told that we hear it all the time. It’s the ultimate inefficiency. That’s what we’re told. And it’s a part of the promised new golden age that we’re in theoretically. Well, that’s what government promoters are saying, but is that the truth and is what it’s building something to preserve freedom as we’ve known it or perhaps a digital prison or a cage from which there is no escape. All right. Now, Leo, I gave a little bit extra information there, but from your research, where do you think all this globally orchestrated AI integration and data center construction, where’s it headed?

To what end?

Leo Hohmann:

It’s heading towards what I and others have called an algocracy. An algocracy is government by algorithm where you will have no more rights, you will have privileges and your privileges will be dependent upon your behavior and how much it is in compliance with the powers that be, or as some people say, the powers that ought not be. We’re increasingly ruled by a techno fascist oligarchy. I encourage your readers to look up the … There are people who are constructing this digital surveillance grid and there are people who are funding the digital surveillance grid and those were, as you pointed out, the types of people who accompanied President Trump on his trip to China. They were either building it or funding it, but there’s another crowd out there who are the philosophers, people like you all know a Harari on the left and Curtis Yarvin on the right.

What they seem to be proposing is a techno monarchy where you have corporate CEOs and tech bros running unelected experts running the whole show with no input from the people. And it’s going to become more and more obvious I think as we get into it in the months and years ahead as the fruit, the bitter fruit of all these data centers starts to manifest itself. Right now, most people don’t see it, although it’s already there and everything is still collecting data on you and we’re not sure why or where it’s heading, but you asked me in the previous segment to name some of the sources, your home, your apartment, everything in it is a surveillance center. Your car is a surveillance center, your doctor’s office, your dentist’s office, your grocery store is a surveillance center outfitted with cameras and setting the prices based on what they know about you personally.

Two people can be standing in an aisle and get two different prices on the same product now in some of these digitized grocery stores. The highways and byways with the flock cameras are all watching you and listening to you with cameras and speakers hooked to the internet twenty four seven. Your bank is a surveillance center with the coming digital programmable money. Your child’s school is a surveillance center. I did an article just this week on a preschool in Washington State where the teachers were being outfitted with cameras and documenting with video and audio everything that every student did during the school day, logging and taking notes on every facial expression, every word uttered, every reaction, every action of every little toddler in that preschool and the parents found out about it and were able to shut it down, but most of the time we’re not even aware of all of these different digital surveillance centers in every aspect of life as we go about our lives each day.

And so this is where it’s heading, but we haven’t gotten to … It’s already there, but we haven’t got to the point where they’re using all of this information to obviously, I should say, to obviously decrease your options in life. The whole reason to document everything a toddler is doing is so that you can make the decisions for the parents and the child and say what that child should go into professionally by the time he’s 10 or 11 years old. He will no longer have the choice of what he wants to do for a living. He’ll be told, “Oh, this child’s a plumber or a carpenter or this child should go into engineering and so forth.” This is what it’s about and it’s the same with creating criminals where no criminality exists. They want to be able to predict who the terrorists and criminals will be by logging and monitoring all of your social media posts and what you’re saying politically and so that they can have this sort of department of pre-crime where they’ll be able to predict Sebastian Gorka just admitted this, that he is now the top counter terrorism official in the Trump administration and he says that they’re going to be able to predict who the terrorists are, when and where they’re going to strike and take them out beforehand.

Sam Rohrer:

Leo, and again, people listening and say, “Oh, you got to be crazy. You’re not crazy.” That is what Sebastian Gorka said. The predictive piece of the equation was actually initiated, put forward, didn’t actually take root directly, but it was under Obama and I just share that because what we are talking about, Leo, is neither Republican nor Democrat. It is global. It is the elite mentality that says, “We don’t need God, we are God.” And now we’ve got a mechanism that can actually think quicker than any human being and we are so good. I was listening to one of the World Economic Forum people other day saying, “Look, come in and they’ve been very, very clear on it talking about that with the predictive analysis being so comprehensive as they say, “Look, we know how people are going to vote before they would ever vote. So therefore there’s coming a time when we’re not going to need to vote anymore because we already know what people are going to do so we’re just going to make it happen.” Ladies and gentlemen, it’s hard to comprehend, but this is in part the end and the direction of what we’re talking about with government, business, finance, security, everything all put together into one thing called AI and data centers.

That’s what’s happening. We’ll be back in this moment. Well, before we go into our final segment here, just one more time, I’ll give you the website from my guest today, Leo Hohmann, and encourage you to consider becoming a subscriber to what he does. It’s important for the sake of truthful, honest, independent journalism, which is so under attack as we’ve seen, but Leo Hohmann, two ends in that name, leoHohmann.substack.com. All right. In the last segment, Leo, I ask you to answer the legitimate question of to what end. You may want to go a little further as we wrap this up today, but there is obviously a rush to do all things AI and we’ve talked about some of that. It’s the answer to efficiency. It’s the answer to government overspending, they say, which is totally not true. It is a provider we’re being told of true justice because it’s blind to our reason.

So it’ll be quick and it’ll be efficient and if we don’t do it, we’re going to get left behind by China so we can’t do that. So that’s there. So we’ve got a rush, rush, rush. But as you said, executive orders have been signed in the last two years by our current president that basically would remove every regulatory restraint so that states and local governments have nothing to say about these big data centers being put up and sucking up all of the water and making noise continually, which is what we found from what’s happening across the country. And so there is no accountability. They’re just given carte blanche to do whatever it is somebody says they want to do. So that’s where we’re headed and that is a problem. But I want to read something in a recent article you wrote just a few days ago, May 15th, you wrote this and I want to read it because I thought it was good and then ask for your comment.

But you said this, you said, “Artificial intelligence is the sum of all things human, the pinnacle of human achievement without God.” That’s key, the pinnacle of human achievement without God. You go on to say, “In that sense, AI is the physical, tangible evidence that we are living in the last days. When the restrainer, we know the beat Holy Spirit, the restrainer is removed and evil is given a longer leash to drive things to ultimate destruction.” You go on to say, “God, the creator and sustainer of life and the source of all that is good and beautiful never forces anyone to accept his authority. That’s just the way God is. ” So when a society or a civilization collectively rejects his God’s authority, God gives them over to their own delusions. And you conclude by saying here, “The biggest delusion of all is that man doesn’t need God to achieve a good outcome in life.” Now, I thought that was worthy of stating again.

So here’s my question too as you wrap it up here. What delusions, talking about that, because we’re in days of delusion without doubt. What delusions do you see at work today specifically in regard to this matter of AI data centers and this mad rush for the elected and unelected elite to control all things and I want to put it in this right, delusions that perhaps they may hold, those who lust for control and perhaps the people who are accepting their lies, the delusions that they are. So go both ways on that, but wrap it up by putting that together.

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah. I think the main delusions, Sam, that our government is worthy of our trust, that technology and the next best thing to be come down the pike with the Madison Avenue slick salesmanship is going to make our lives ultimately better, easier, more convenient, safer, more secure. All the lies that come from the government, the Silicon Valley creators of this technology and they never ever mention how it is displacing everything that is good and solid and goes back to biblical principles. It’s all being replaced. People are asking AI now for family advice, marital device, business advice. All the advice we need is found in the scriptures, but we don’t want to read that. We may have 10 dusty Bibles in our house sitting on the shelf. It’s all there, but we don’t want to pick it up and read it. But we’ll look online and keep scrolling down, down until we get an answer we like.

And that’s another thing about AI. It is a delusionary force in and of itself and this is even admitted by secular scholars. A Stanford University study came out a couple of weeks ago and showed what they call AI sycophancy is a real thing, meaning these AI chatbots that people are using and consulting with like ChatGPT and Groc and what have you, the more you use them, the more they realize what it is you’re looking, what type of answers you’re looking to receive and they affirm your inherent biases and start giving you the answers that you’re looking for. And so you end up getting diluted into a sense of reality that isn’t even real. And so yeah, when even the creators of AI admit that there’s something called AI sycophancy, I think we’ve got a real problem that we need to own up

Sam Rohrer:

To. Leo, that is good. And ladies and gentlemen, can I just recommend here, let me see, this is Thursday. Last Thursday on the program I had Patricia Engler from Answers in Genesis and we talked about AI from the perspective of what it is doing and how that in reality people are developing relationships with their AI chats. They are fulfilling sexual fantasies, violation of the fifth command. They should not commit adultery as an example. You can be involved in literally everything that you otherwise could not be involved in, but you can do in this surreality, this fake and artificial relationship with a thing. AI is encouraging people already been proven and it’s been issues happening on encouraging young people to commit suicide, becoming the authority, the literal replacement of God. And AI, as we learned last Thursday, and Leo, as you’re saying, is designed to make a person feel good.

So if you operate and you deal with and interact with AI, you will find that it compliments you. It says, “Good question. Oh, you’re smart.” It has a means of making people think better of themselves than they ought to compliment and it encourages just a complete separation of communication between real people and real people. This is the kind of thing. Leo, you are so right on with the matter of the delusionary thought. Any final comments here as we only just a little bit left here?

Leo Hohmann:

Well, yeah. I mean, I think the ending question is, how do we resist? How do we live our lives in a way that does not submit to these societal pressures to give over our entire lives to AI and be controlled by it? I think there’s probably a lot of ways you could answer that, but the first thing that pops into my mind is refuse to conduct your life online as much as possible. It’s a very dehumanizing process that we’re being cornered into schools, your schools, your bank, your doctor’s office, government offices, utilities, they all want to interact with you through email, text, and the internet. Refuse.

Sam Rohrer:

And Leo, because of time, I think it’s a great place. And so ladies and gentlemen, to your best ability, don’t make your life wrapped around AI and computer. Number two, do make your life wrapped around the word of God. Leo, you’ve mentioned that. The word of God alone is true. We don’t need anything else than what we find there. We need wisdom and let’s pray.