Looing Out…Looking In: Essential News

Looking Out…Looking In: Essential News

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Leo Hohmann

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/27/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand in the Gap Today. And here it is already the last Monday of July 2026. Anyways, thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to join us as we today again analyze the crucial issues of our day and do it to the lens of a biblical and constitutional perspective. And I also trust that you had a refreshing weekend, both physically and spiritually, and you were able at all to be able to fellowship with other believers in a church that actually preaches the whole council of God. That’s increasingly hard to do these days, sadly. But that being said, the title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation with returning guest, independent journalist and researcher, as well as author Leo Hohmann is this, looking out, looking in the essential news. Now, in a world moving at breakneck speed, and it is, it really is, it’s vital that believers, all of us, most of you listening to me, no doubt are in that category, it’s important that we not only understand the sweeping geopolitical shifts that are happening across the globe, I’m going to say, but also to the subtle, quiet restructuring of freedom right here in our own backyards.

For the reason, not to increase our levels of stress, not at all, but to increase our confidence in God’s word, our dependence on God’s promises and as a motivation to, I’m going to say, more faithfully live as salt and light in a perilous world. Now, in this opening segment, I want to begin by looking out. First two segments, we’re going to look out. We’re going to turn our eyes first here to the intensifying conflict in the Middle East, now broadening in regard to US strikes in Iran and our president’s repeated threats to, as he said last week, open the gates of hell only to again change course midstream. Now, without doubt, from a prophetical perspective, the word of God says in such places as Zechariah 12 and Joel three, that Jerusalem would in the last days, our days, become a burdensome stone for the entire world.

And it also says that anyone, including the United States, anyone who seeks to meddle with Jerusalem and Israel in any way will suffer divine consequences. Now, while foreign policy analysts debate military tactics, the economic and the human fallout is rapidly escalating. Supply lines are stalling. Vital trade choke points like theSstrait of Hormuz and now the Red Seas, Babel Mandeb strait have, and they face a severe shutdown. Recent Houthi strikes against the Saudi Aramco oil facilities further escalates and signaling a dangerous new phase threatening global energy security, fuel historic spikes in oil, and a cutoff of synthetic fertilizer exports. All of those creating an economic crisis that according to the United Nations and other astute observers is triggering the early days of severe famine. All right, now that walks us right into the discussion today. Leo, thanks for being back with me today. You’ve written on all of these things and I want to get inside your head a little bit here today, but thanks for being with me.

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah, thanks for having me, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

In a recent article, you quoted, you reposted and then added a whole lot onto it. There’s a writer out there, Mike Adams. You talked about some points that he was making about the Strait of Hormuz and the Bab El Mandeb Strait and says goes beyond oil prices. You said this specifically, Mike, who is a published food scientist 2027 and 2028 will be marked by widespread famine. He said, “The only reason the world can sustain its current population of eight billion is the advent of synthetic fertilizers.” So here’s my question. From your research and reporting, how are these regional military engagements and the Red Sea disruptions laying the groundwork for a larger global economic and humanitarian crisis, including famine?

Leo Hohmann:

Well, if you look at the way this war started and has played out and now spread, Sam, you basically, in a nutshell, have roughly a quarter of the world’s energy supplies and close to 30% of the world’s fertilizer supplies taken offline, off of the market. And while that can be sustained in the short term with patchwork remedies, it absolutely cannot. It is putting us on a path towards catastrophic human suffering in the long term. If the war were to stop right now, right today, and the strait of Hormuz and the other strait leading into the Red Sea, Babel Mendeb strait were reopened and supporting the free flow of trade and commerce, even if that happened today, we would be suffering some shortages come fall and winter of next year. But it would be probably manageable. The fear is that this war could become a long-term war of attrition where it’s not just a matter of weeks or months, but years getting.

And it wouldn’t take years. Trust me, it might take a few more months to completely devastate. We’re already going to have some shortages and definitely higher prices fall and winter of next year just because of the damage that’s already been done. And the problem is we’re also going to have famine in other countries. Countries in Asia and Africa are going to suffer tremendously because of the damage that’s already been done because it’s pretty much too late to do anything about the current harvest. But these harvests, the way they work, we’re still eating in 2026 from the harvest of 2024 and 2025. And so if we have 20 to 30% or even 15% lower harvest because the lack of fertilizer for the 2026 harvest, that’s going to affect us into 2027 and 2028. The problem is that if this war continues, now you’re doubling up the effect and potentially tripling down for years to come.

And so while one year we might be able to be unscathed here in America and some fairly manageable problems in third world countries, once it gets into the next growing season, next spring, they still don’t have enough fertilizer coming through to where it’s needed for the farming communities. Now you’re doubling down. And so here we are sitting, it’s already August. And so it won’t be long before we’re going to be into spring planting season again. And the problem if this does get exponentially worse is you’re going to start seeing refugee flows out of these countries, millions, tens of millions of people. Mike Adams predicted 400 million people could be looking to move out of their countries and into wealthier countries that are seen as having more food for their families. And how could you blame them?

Sam Rohrer:

And how can you blame them, Leo? We’re out of time. Ladies and gentlemen, that is what is laying out. And that what Leo said is not a suspicion. It’s the result of changes already made, already baked into the pie, put it that way. So those are things we’re looking out. The Middle East, when we come back, we’re going to look out further. Well, if you’re just joining us today, welcome aboard. Thanks for being with us. My special guest today, recurring guest is Leo Hohmann. He’s an author, he’s a researcher, he’s an independent investigative journalist. And he writes prolifically on, I’m going to say, all of the news of importance. There’s a lot of news out there, but a lot of it is not even true. This is true news and it’s on important themes. You can find his articles at. Well, I’ll give you one of them.

It’s either leoHohmann.com or leoHohmann.substack.com. And because he’s independent, he can write without undue influence from others who pay the way. And so if you are able, subscribe to him because that’s how he keeps going. Just like we do here. We depend upon the gifts of those who listen to us. He depends upon the generosity and the reciprocity, I’m going to say, of those who benefit from his writing. Now, that being the case, the theme I’ve chosen today is simply this, looking out, looking in essential news. In our first segment, we examined how the escalating war involving Iran is sending shock waves through global energy markets and critical supply chains. And this went just to one aspect of it. We didn’t even talk about the economic factors involving markets and that kind of thing. We just went to one that branches off of the shortage of fertilizer that leads to food shortage that by definition means famine.

And we’re not just bringing that up. And it’s not the first time we’ve talked about it. The United Nations has written much about it. Those who are looking are seeing that happen because it is a cause and effect. But as we continue to look out to the Middle East in particular, because there are many different things about which we could consider what’s going on there. But there is another deeply troubling dimension to this conflict that Leo has written about. And Leo, it’s the growing reality of asymmetric proxy warfare. We’ve talked about this on this program, you and I have, and I have with other guests as well, but there are reports now clearly indicating that major rival powers, namely Russia and China, are actively feeding advanced intelligence, targeting data and upgraded drone technology directly to regional actors in the Middle East. What we’re talking about is Iran.

And what was framed as a targeted engagement by us, the United States to China, that’s quickly turned into a high stakes proxy struggle where our installations, the American bases, military bases particularly, and diplomatic outposts are coming increasingly under very precise Iranian attacks. And furthermore, as conventional munition stockpiles, that means our US weaponry as it dwindles and our military industrial capacity is strained. The potential for dangerous escalation I think is growing. And you’ve written some about that. But let’s go right into that if you don’t mind, Leo, because in your July 23rd article, you examine how foreign rivals are turning the tables on American foreign policy. And you said this, “While Ukraine is serving the role of America’s proxy against Russia, Iran has emerged as Russia’s proxy against America. There is now evidence that Russia and likely China too are funneling weapons and intelligence to the Iranians.” All right.

So here’s where I want to go here. What specific evidence or intelligence reports are surfacing regarding Russian assistance in, I’m going to say precision strikes on, well, this has been called out CIA outposts and diplomatic facilities in the Middle East. And how does this change perhaps the nature of this war?

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah. Well, Sam, I want to start off by saying I predicted if people go back and look at my substack from early, mid-February before this war started in the Middle East, that this is exactly what would happen, that Russia and China could not be counted on to just sit on the sidelines and do nothing while the United States took out one of their prized allies, that being Iran. And sure enough, it doesn’t happen the way the US. If you look at the other side of the coin, when the US decides to start using Ukraine as a proxy and funneling weapons to Ukraine and intelligence and targeting data and all, it’s done in the wide open. We see articles in the New York Times and America never has to hide or doesn’t feel like it needs to hide any of the assistance it’s giving to any of its proxies.

But Russia and China operate in a different way. And we’re just getting the information now after four and a half months of this war that indeed they’ve been at least giving targeting data in the case of China and probably more than that in the case of Russia. The latest evidence of that came in a July 23rd article by Defense Security Asia. You can’t rely on US networks, mainstream corporate media like Fox News or CNN to give you this information. You have to go digging. And often that leads you into defense military type trade journals like Defense Security Asia. And there you see it reported in a July 23rd article that indeed the US government is conducting what they call an urgent multi-agency investigation into whether Russia supplied Iran with targeting intelligence and combat tested drone upgrades used in a wave of precision strikes against CIA facilities across the Gulf region.

When? In March 2026. So this isn’t even a new development in the war. The war started in February 28th. And here in March, they’re already getting assistance for Russia and in attacking the CIA sites. Many of them are embedded in US embassies. They hit this one with a precision strike in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. And another strike was very successful against CIA outpost in Eastern Iraq, according to this article. And it says, “Analysts examining the strikes have grown increasingly suspicious of Russian involvement because the attacks demonstrated a level of navigational precision that appears to exceed the known technical baseline of Iran’s indigenous Shahid series loitering drones.” So there you have it. That you will never see reported in Fox News.

Sam Rohrer:

No, and that’s what’s making it very, very difficult for all of us, me, you, and researching and all that, to actually find out what’s really going on because so much has in fact been cut out. Now you raise another point, which we have enough time I want to pursue a little bit. You make a statement, I think very astute observation, where you argue that America’s, our military industrial complex is “built for profit, not for speed.” Whereas nations like Russia and Iran may have greater industrial capability for prolonged high volume conventional warfare. So here’s the question. If or perhaps since US conventional munition stockpiles are running critically low, and that came out over the weekend as one reason why the president backed off what he had threatened to do. Some I have heard saying, “Oh, well, no, no, no, that should have never been said.” But in reality, the fact that we’re running low and we can’t resupply our munitions have been out there publicly for weeks and weeks.

We’ve talked about it on this program. So now that that’s happening, so here is the question. Whereas it appears Iran is able to, and have taken a posture, will wait this out because they know that they can do more harm with less quality, but almost as effective drones and things as we run out of very expensive missiles. So how does that raise and escalate perhaps the risks as we face this whole thing and what President Trump may or may not do? Well,

Leo Hohmann:

If you get in a tit for tat escalation in this war, which is what we saw happening recently, Iran is going to come out the victor because they can outproduce us on drone manufacturing by some estimates, 100 to 150 to one. For every one combat tested drone that we can churn out, they can churn out 100 to 150 in these underground manufacturing facilities that they have. As I said, our military industrial complex is built for profit. Theirs is built for speed. Same thing to a lesser extent with Russia. They’ve been out producing us in the war with Ukraine. The Russia-Ukraine war, they’ve been outproducing the West three to one on major weapons system munitions, three to one. So all of this does not work in the US advantage when we get into an escalatory environment because at some point the US is going to run out of munitions.

And when you have a president like President Trump in office who’s not going to just walk away from one of these wars, in my opinion, everything I said here too for is fact, but now I’m giving you my opinion. The psychological makeup of President Trump, I don’t think will allow him to just pack up and leave Iran after four and a half months of tit for tat escalations. So what happens when we run out of conventional munitions? The fear is he could then resort or use Israel to resort to a nuclear attack on Iran. And if that takes place, I don’t think anyone comes out a winner because that opens Pandora’s box with other nuclear armed countries possibly firing missiles at us.

Sam Rohrer:

Yep. You’re not the only one who thinks that, Leo. So ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. We, in the last two segments, have looked out. Now we’re going to come home and look in. We’re going to do some discussion about data centers, sovereignty, and all of that that’s related to that as we now look in. Well, if you’re just joining us, our theme today, the focus is this. I’ve entitled it looking out, which we did. We looked out to, I’m going to say, the dominating source of news of the day outside our country, and that’s the Middle East. And be that with Iran and the war going on there or well, it’s now connected to Ukraine because Ukraine downed or sunk or attacked anyways. An Iranian flagged ship. And so now Iran has threatened, of all things, Ukraine. It’s getting more and more complicated, but the point being we’re looked out and there’s so much revolving around Israel for biblical reasons.

And we know that world’s attention has gone there, is increasingly going there like a magnet. That’s one. But we got to look within as well. Now, having spent the first part, as I say, looking out, we’re going to pivot here to some other things that Leo, you’ve written about that bring us right down to our local communities. And really this is all across the country because all across our country, we’re witnessing frankly, an unprecedented build out of massive AI data centers. Why is that a deal? Well, we’re going to talk about that, ladies and gentlemen. Stay with us, but it’s fueled by billions. I’m saying trillions in public and private capital under mega initiatives like, have you heard of this? Project Stargate? That’s one. But while sold to the public as economic progress and high tech innovation, these physical facilities, which are quietly going up all over the country, they are beginning to experience, I would say, some violently altering local governance because every one of these that are going up across the country are going up with the knowledge of some local officials.

And town after town, citizens attending city council meetings are finding that their voices are either ignored, their due process rights are curtailed, and local officials are seemingly prioritizing, well, considerations they’re getting from mega corporations over the local tax paying residents who put them where they are. So from Michigan to Illinois, every day Americans are having to stand up, file lawsuits and demand transparency just to protect their neighborhoods from these projects. Now, Leo, you spent decades covering local government. So you’re an expert on looking at things at the local level. And now we’ve got this big thing that’s happening. Never seen anything like this. And I served in state government here in Pennsylvania for 18 years. I do not remember anything happening as broadly or as significantly as what these things we’re seeing from AI data centers. So here’s the question. Why are local elected boards so quick to bypass the concerns of the citizens that they were elected to serve?

You’ve written some about it, but explain a little bit more of this, please.

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah. I think it’s the power and the money that they confront in the closed door sessions that they hold before these issues even get out to the public. Before the first public hearing or council meeting is ever held, your local council is sitting in a back room discussing applications for rezoning or special use permits or whatever is needed to get a major corporate, what they see as a major corporate employer into the county, into the city or county where you live. And it’s only after the deal is well progressed, well down the path that the public will hear about it. So you’re already at a disadvantage when there’s that much planning and orchestrating having gone on before you, John Q. Public is brought into the fold. And so they know all the questions that are going to be brought up at the public hearings. They’ve had months and months to prepare for them.

And they’ve been coached by their attorneys. And in most cases, the corporate applicant themselves who’s trying to build the facility in your county. They know what lies they can get away with telling and what lies might come back to bite them. But maybe some won’t come back to bite them for 10 or 20 years down the road. They’ve promised to give away the farm with all sorts of tax abatements, free training, work for the workers. Basically, I have seen some unbelievable perks written into these deals that only come to light months after the deal is signed away on by the mayor and the council. And it’s just unbelievable. It’s perverse. And in many cases, the companies never provide the number of jobs that they promise. And even when they do, most of the best paying jobs, those people are brought in from outside the city, the county, and sometimes outside the state to fill those positions.

So it’s a very fraudulent basis on which many of these deals are done and it’s done behind closed doors with no transparency. And the only language that these crooks, in my opinion, really pay attention to is lawsuits. Unless you can form a citizens group that is organized and capable of filing a lawsuit, they’re not going to listen to you. And I think that’s played out in the videos. If you go online, you can see where these data centers are being proposed. And a lot of the council meetings where it’s proposed to the public are in video form on YouTube. And you can just see the disrespect with which the people are treated by their local representatives who they voted into office to represent them. And in fact, they have turned their backs on these people and they are representing the interests of the corporations and the investors and the developers.

Sam Rohrer:

And Leo, I can affirm what you’re saying. I have not served on local government, but I have on state government. And I’ve interacted a lot with local, but I’ve seen it on the top. And we can look to Washington. The amazing influence of corruption and bribery. We see it all the way from the very, very top to down on the local level. And it is an amazing thing, Leo, how otherwise good people kind of put their consciences and their normal neighborly concerns on hold and how quick they are to trade that. It’s an amazing thing. But let’s go a little bit further on this because you wrote about this project Stargate. Explain that just a little bit. It’s $500 billion. It goes way back with this administration. And also factor into this, why the president just recently spoke so harshly. I was in a press conference or I forget the setting was in a watch where he just regaled anyone who would stand up and oppose data centers as almost traitors to our country.

This is some high level coercion that is happening. They can put some of that together.

Leo Hohmann:

Yeah. Well, on the first full day of his second term in office, January 21st, 2025, President Trump sat in the Oval Office and announced Project Stargate, which was a half a trillion dollar investment in new data centers around the United States. And he did this jointly with the heads of Oracle, a very shady character in charge of Oracle by the name of Larry Ellison. You can research him. Your audience should research him to find out all that he’s involved with. But just for starters, a couple of years ago, he said that once all the data centers in the surveillance state is intact and implemented, everybody will quote, everybody will be on their best behavior because everybody will be watched twenty four seven by the surveillance cameras. And so we won’t have to worry about crime anymore because everybody will know they’re being watched and they’ll be on their best behavior.

This is the kind of guy that is a bit best friend of President Trump and he’s launched Project Stargate with. Another one is Sam Altman, the head of OpenAI, another top three artificial intelligence company. And he has launched something called the Orb, which is trying to scan the eyeballs of as many people in the world as possible and have that biometric data that they can then use as a digital ID for everybody in the world. And he’s even talked about launching a digital currency that would be attached to that digital ID, another good friend of President Trump’s. And now there’s even word out that President Trump’s family themselves iare invested in the data center construction build out here in this country. So he has a vested interest in making sure this thing pops and goes forth at warp speed, just like he did with the vaccines in his first term in office.

This is a side of President Trump. Again, you will not see or hear on Fox News or Newsmax or anywhere like that. You’ve got to tune into independent media to get the facts on what the Trump family is doing to exponentially bring us into this digital surveillance state.

Sam Rohrer:

We could go much further on that, Leo, but the point being, ladies and gentlemen, is that this whole issue of databases, AI, and all of that, it’s being pushed and sold by big business because they make money. It’s being pushed by those in government because, well, in some cases, they make a lot of money. The other argument that is being put out, if you’ve heard, is that, well, if we don’t do it, we will become subservient to the Chinese and we have to do it or otherwise we will be controlled by them. But in so being, we are putting into place the Chinese surveillance system. We’re going to go there in the next segment because there is an impact of these data centers and all of this knowledge that is being accumulated and then analyzed for what purpose? Well, we’re going to talk about that and what we can do about it, and we’ll be back in just a minute.

Well, as we get ready to wrap up the program from today, just a reminder that you can find all of Leo Hohmann’s articles, of which there are many, and they’re really very, very good. From my perspective, I look forward to them whenever it’s posted, and I am a subscriber to him, but his website is leoHohmann.com or Leo Hohmann. There’s two Ns to that name, Hohmann, H-O-H-M-A-N-N, leoHohmann.substack.com. As well, that on all of the programs that we have here on the Stand on the Gap today, you can find them on our standonagapradio.com site or on our Stand in the Gap app. All of the programs are archived and you can actually search there. The app, it makes it very, very easy, but you can search there by speaker. So you could put in Leo or Hohmann and pull up the various programs that we have done together, of which there have been many, many.

And you can do that for any of the guests that we have. So I encourage you to do that and listen to this program again, and then you can easily send it along to a friend, which is an easy thing to do to help communicate truth. Now, again, our theme today has been looking out, looking in essential news. I always work hard at putting together a title that helps to capture the direction of the program. And just because of the nature of where a preponderance of information is coming from that saturates the news, one was the looking out part, the Middle East. And you write a lot about that. And the other is what we’re talking about here right now, things happening at home. And there are a lot of things, but one greatly significant one is this matter of these massive AI data centers and a literal explosion as these things, they’re almost showing up like mushrooms sprouting in the night.

And it’s an amazing thing. But data centers, as a matter of function, ladies and gentlemen, they provide, and we’ve talked about it here before, I’ve done another setting, but they provide the raw colossal computing power. So they store information from all types of sources. They hold it and they provide that computing power that’s required to, well, among other things, but fuel, I’m going to say an unprecedented government run, government contracted surveillance drag net. Flock license plate cameras. We’ve talked about it. Leo, you’ve written about it. They’re being installed by thousands of cities. Stealthy Axon AI technology integrated into everyday streetlights. They become the tools to track public movement, and they’re expanding exponentially. And Leo, it goes to what you shared in the last segment. But there are proposed legislative frameworks such as, well, actually the joint defense technology initiatives and the federal funding bills is coming out.

They are taking and further merging by law, military grade monitoring capabilities into local police applications. I mean, this is not good, ladies and gentlemen, nor is it necessary. It’s a threat to constitutional freedom. And constitutional advocates are warning that as anonymity, as you and I able to walk about or buy and sell without somebody government looking over our shoulders. As that disappears, well, civil liberties disappear as well. So Leo, let’s go here because as Christians, we’re called to walk in truth to discern times and also to defend God-given liberty against overreaching control. That’s something that we have a duty as constitutional Americans to do. But in your July 16th article on domestic surveillance, you cite constitutional advocate John Whitehead. And you highlight how technology is moving beyond familiar tools like flock license plate readers into much more discrete systems. And just for the sake of time, I’m going to dispense with what you wrote about that.

But how does what’s happening right now with the rapid build out of local AI data centers, how is it providing the backbones for this surveillance infrastructure? And what does it mean for everyday privacy of American citizens?

Leo Hohmann:

It means the end of anonymity, as you mentioned. And without anonymity, are we really free? Are you able to be free when the government is watching everything you do, everywhere you go, everything you buy in real time? Who you hang out with? Who are your friends? What are your patterns? Okay? And then they’ve got it all by algorithm at their disposal where they can actually predict with, they believe quite pinpoint accuracy, what you’re going to do from day to day, even before you do it. The minority report was a movie back in the early 2000s with Tom Cruise that forecast all of what we’re seeing about the Department of Pre-Crime, where the police were able to predict where the next violent crime or even petty theft would take place. And they would dispatch their agents to get there in time to prevent it from happening.

This sounded like science fiction at the time, and still might sound that way to many people who aren’t familiar with the technology, but they believe they’re ready to roll that out now with the Flock cameras, with the Axon cameras that you mentioned. And they’re coming out with even better technology all the time. Flock is now coming out with drone cameras. So you get multiple players in this space, corporate corporations, and they’re all trying to compete with who can get the most top of the line advanced predictive AI technology at any given time. And so while we think of technology and competition as a healthy, good thing in part of America, you can see where it would actually work against us in the way of the surveillance state where you’ve got the government sending out huge contracts, putting out specs for huge contracts. And the first company that’s able to meet those specs or exceed them gets all of that wealth and cashflow coming into their corporate structure, excuse me.

And this is how the system works. And so even as we’re seeing people rise up against the flock, license plate readers, automated license plate readers that also have sound sensitivity and can listen to people up to a half a mile away. They do this under the guise of, oh, we’re filtering for gunshots and the police can hear where gunshots at. Well, they can also hear people talking. And so it’s always done for our safety. And that’s the part that goes before the city council to approve these things. They talk about it improving public safety, lowering crime when the data shows that even though we have all of these cameras, and I live near Atlanta, which is now the most surveilled city in America, crime is not decreasing. It’s either holding steady or increasing in many of these areas that are saturated with cameras. And so it’s all built on lies and deception, and we’re losing our freedom in the process, but it’s all being done under the guise of safety and convenience and such and such and such.

Sam, it’s really a dangerous path that we’re going down.

Sam Rohrer:

It is, Leo, and that takes us about out of time. Ladies and gentlemen, I’m going to pray because what we need is wisdom and discernment, is it not? Let me just finish the program and prayer. Heavenly Father, we’ve covered things today that may be news to some and maybe old news to others. But one thing for sure, Lord, we understand that we all need wisdom and discernment. And you’ve told us in the book of James, if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God. And Lord, we all need that. So I pray that you would grant that to us. May we be in your words so we know the truth and then seek the leading of the Holy Spirit to interpret and to discern that which is true. We pray in Jesus’ name. Amen. Leo, thanks for being with me today. Always great information.

Thank you for the work that you do. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us. Stay with us the entire week. Each program, each day, this week is filled with good guests and very relevant topics. Thanks for being with us. Again, have a great day.