The Rise of Socialism: Why and What to Do?

The Rise of Socialism: Why and What to Do?

Nov. 10, 2026

Host: Dr. Jamie Mitchell

Guest: Greg Schaller

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 11/10/26 To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Jamie Mitchell:

Well, hello again, and welcome to another Stand in the Gap today. I’m your host, Jamie Mitchell, director of church culture at the American Pastors Network. Well, the dust has settled on last week’s election, and one thing I know for sure is that major change is happening in the United States. As we discussed last week, there is a rise of Islam in our country and an attempt to gain a foothold of influence and power, and that’s becoming a reality. Lawlessness continues to be ongoing theme across the nation, both with citizens acting out and those in authority looking the other way and not enforcing our laws. And then to top it all off, Marxism is becoming in vogue like we could never have believed. To be honest, after Ronald Reagan had stared down Gorbachev in the 1980s and then seen the Berlin Wall fall in the 1990s, I thought communism was dead and gone.

Yet unbeknownst to many, the roots run deep and continue to spread mostly in silence. European countries tried and failed to make socialism work. South and Central American nations gave it a shot and most times descended into full-blown dictatorships. Nevertheless, Marxist teaching continued to be showcased in American universities, infecting the next generation, which might be the reason why it has not died here in the States. Whatever the reason behind its resurgence, we need to understand it and continue to prepare to have an answer why this godless philosophy has nothing to do with believers and we shouldn’t be embracing it. That’s our topic for today’s program, the rise of socialism, why and what to do. And to help me is a return guest, Dr. Greg Schaller, who’s the director of the Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University. Greg, welcome back to Stand in the Gap.

Greg Schaller:

Thank you, Jamie. It’s a great joy to be back here with you. I appreciate the work you are doing and it certainly is an important work. There’s an awful lot going on in our country right now that Christians need to confront and we need to find ways to better prepare Christians so they know what they’re facing and how they can confront these things. So thank you for giving me this opportunity.

Jamie Mitchell:

Amen. Well, Greg, as you heard my opening personally, I’m, I guess a little surprised, but more so horrified by this rise of socialism and Marxist philosophy being touted by many political figures and even those who have been elected last week. We voted and there were communists vying for election and they got in. The question I have is why is this happening? Why now? And as Christians, why should we be concerned?

Greg Schaller:

Let me start with why we should be concerned because I think we should be. That being said, and it’s something very much we need to be worried about. Ideas often move first and politics follows. And so I want to get into you a little bit of what these ideas, how they’ve been festering for so long. I do want to have a little balance on this though. As bad as it is, it was six DSA backed candidates who won and adding that to AOC and Rashida Talib, they have eight, eight of 435. These eight that have been elected as DSA are all from deep blue districts, districts that have elected Democrats for many, many decades. Some of them were a little bit insurgent. Some of these, the one who was elected from Denver, Colorado, Malik Kiros, defeated a 15 term, 30 year representative Diana DeGette, who was seen as a weak sort of not doing much of anything in office.

So it’s bad. I don’t want to deny how bad it is, but I also think we need to have some balance in that there is time. If we can be proactive, we’re talking about less than 2% of the 435 members of Congress are DSA backed. So I don’t want us to throw our hands in the air and say this can’t be won. It can be, but we have to know what it is we are facing. I’d say there’s a couple of things as to why this is happening now. If you talk to your average mid 20, 28 year old who’s looking at housing prices, probably looking at student debt, health insurance, stagnant wages, they believe that they can’t achieve what their parents did. Now, I don’t agree with them and I think the data actually points to otherwise that they can still achieve, but they’re feeling pain and socialism is offering them an alternative.

They’re offering them an answer. So we have to know that these are real people who are confused. They probably are dealing with some economic pain, but we need to show them a better way. We need to show them that there are solutions. I’d say also there’s a historical illiteracy and an economic illiteracy among most of these people. You and I were talking before we went on the air, 76% of 18 to 24 year olds voted for Democrats.

And I think this is largely because of the economic illiteracy and the historical illiteracy. 25 year olds, if you were 25 in 1989, the Berlin Wall was news, the collapse of the Soviet Union. Young people today have no history. They don’t know the history of the Soviet Union. They don’t know the history of Cuba, Venezuela, of Cambodia. So they don’t know what they’re experimenting with. As you pointed out in your introduction, the education in America has been riddled with Marxist categories. This is what’s being taught on college campuses, but also in K through 12 schools, the oppressor versus the oppressed, that sort of language. So this is something that they’ve been marinating in for decades, perhaps, people who are currently in their 20s. And I think that finally, and this is probably the worst, that there’s a spiritual vacuum among many in our country that God has been pushed out.

But even though God’s been pushed out, people still hunger for purpose, for community, for justice. And Marxism in a sense, it’s a counterfeit religion, but it’s offering ideas. It’s offering what it deems to be solutions. It has a doctrine of sin, which is the oppressors. It has salvation, which is the revolution. And it has this paradise with this classless society it believes in. So people who are lost from the real story, from truth are going to look for a substitute. And a lot of them are finding this in this Marxist teaching. So again, we need to be concerned. I don’t think we need to panic yet, but we need to be aware of who it is we are dealing with, what their beliefs are so that we can confront it.

Jamie Mitchell:

Amen. Boy, Greg, I so appreciate what you said there at the very end because I have said that what is happening is that the socialists are preaching the gospel according to Marx. They have just imitated what we have in the gospel of Jesus and it is a dangerous substitute. Friends, we usually don’t like hard topics. We say things like it won’t affect us, but when it comes to Marxism and socialism, you cannot be ambiguous. This is no time for neutrality. When we come back, I want Greg to start to unwrap socialism, what it is. We need to understand it, both the person in the pew and the preacher in the pulpit. We’re facing tough times here in America, but it is time for God’s people to stand up. Stay with us. Don’t go anywhere.

Well, thanks for sticking with us today. I believe that what we’re going to talk about today is going to impact every family, every church. Therefore, we better be better informed. Greg Schaller is the director of the Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University. And I really appreciate him, his understanding of politics, history and how to make sense of it all. Greg, let’s assume that those listening today know nothing about Karl Marx, his philosophy, what socialism actually is. Can you share some basic but foundational aspects that will really help our listeners gain a grasp on this new philosophy that is emerging here in America like a whirlwind?

Greg Schaller:

Yeah, absolutely. And I think when we lay out what the tenants of Marxism is, people will be able to see how it is very much at odds. It conflicts completely with Christianity, and that’s one of the real dangers and one of the real evils of this philosophy. So Marx was a German philosopher working in the 1800s. He and his partner, Friedrich Ingles, published the communist manifesto in 1848. And then Marx’s later text, Das Kapital, followed that. Marx was alive for the publication of the… It’s actually three volumes, Das Kapital, and Marx was around for the publication of the first and then Engles completed his work with the last two volumes. So I’ll lay out through the basic tenets of Marx’s thought and you’ll see how they build upon each other. So the first is materialism. Reality is only matter. There is no God, there is no soul, no moral law above the state.

And history is driven by economic forces, not by ideas or faith. So Marx, as I’m sure many listeners have heard, called religion the opium of the people, opium of the masses. He also called it the sigh of the oppressed creature. So he understands why people turn to it, but he saw it as a drug that keeps workers passive and it’s a drug that’s utilized as a tool by the class struggle, by the oppressor class, by the bourgeoisie. So this is the second tenet, is this the class struggle that results from the materialism. So the bourgeoisie, they are the oppressors. They own the businesses and the oppressed are the proletariat. Those are the people, the workers for those businesses. And you are defined under Marxist thinking by your class, not by your character. So the owners, these bourgeoisie, the owners of the corporations, what they do with the remaining money from the sale of goods, Marx equates as theft.

It’s stolen labor. Any profits, why should that go to the owner of a business? It ought to go to the workers. So when the workers don’t get it, that’s theft, but when they don’t get anything beyond what their wages are. So this is an evil according to Marx. What is the solution? Abolishing private ownership as the means of production. So factories, land, major industries are to be owned collectively and eliminates the private ownership of businesses. And ultimately for Marx, that collective ownership is going to be by the state. So how do we arrive at this? The fifth tenet is revolution and transition. Marx believed that the workers would have to seize power. There’d be what he believed to be a temporary dictatorship of the proletariat, which would ultimately lead us to a stateless, classless utopia. I’m sure that our listeners right now can see how this is very different from a biblical worldview.

Marx sees Christianity as the problem and it’s what has to be eliminated to bring about this revolution which creates this state ownership, collective ownership of all means of production, which he believes will bring about a utopia.

Jamie Mitchell:

Well, Greg, as you’re talking, I’m thinking to myself, just go to the last one where it says revolution and seizing power. And that means at any means, riots, force, destruction. That is so antithetical to what Christians believe. Even people who are in authority, we teach that we make appeals and we respect authority, but we understand that God places people in authority for certain reasons. So even that point, getting to that point, it goes against everything that we as Christians believe, thus Marx and any other socialists would see that a Christian virtue of respect and kindness and cooperation and respecting authority would go against to anything that they want to accomplish. Isn’t that at the core of this?

Greg Schaller:

I think it is. And again, it goes against everything of a Christian worldview, of a Western worldview historically. And it needs to be understood of that as a worldview. Marxism is not a tax policy. It’s a total explanation of life and it touches on everything about how we live. It turns relationships into power struggles. So marriage, parent and child, boss and employee, pastor and congregation, the worldview of Marxism is who has power over whom in each of those. You may recall that Marx in the manifesto actually calls for the abolition of the family because he sees it as this alienating power struggle going on. So he calls for the elimination of it. It replaces personal sin with group guilt. So depending on who you are, whether you’re the bourgeoisie or if you’re the proletariat, there’s a group guilt and there is no repentance for this.

There’s no forgiveness in the class system, only a score to settle. And they think the proletariat is justified in their economic revolution of toppling those in power. I think it baptizes envy because a class warfare in teaching that and encouraging that, it changes justice. It removes it and it makes envy as the foundation of a society. It crowds out the institutions that God has designed, again, family, church, neighborhoods. The little platoons that Tocqueville talked about, these are all problematic and need to be eliminated so that all authority goes to the state. Communism, Marxism, it redefines words, justice, equity, solidarity and community. When Christians hear those, they may think, well, of course these are all good things, but not when they’re twisted by Marxist thought. So it’s very important when we hear these being espoused by members of the DSA and the Marxists, tell me what you mean by those things because their definitions of justice and community are going to be very different than those who have a Christian worldview.

So again, I think it’s really important that we understand the perspective that these people are advocating for and understand what it is they are trying to accomplish. My use of the word justice is going to be very different than use of the word justice by these democratic socialists.

Jamie Mitchell:

Greg, just two quick questions. One is they camouflaged themselves very well. I mean, that’s why the whole DEI movement a number of years ago, it was just Marxism wrapped in very virtuous kinds of words. And then secondly, and before this segment ends, so where have they been successful? Where has socialism and communism, where has it really worked and benefited the people like they promise?

Greg Schaller:

It hasn’t. And this gets back to the economic illiteracy and the historical illiteracy. Trotsky, who was no friend of free markets, put it plainly. H said, “In the country where the sole employer is the state, opposition means slow starvation.” The old principle, we believe that he who does not work, shall not eat. The new principle is he who does not obey shall not eat. When the government is your employer, your landlord, your doctor controlling everything, it has extraordinary power and it takes away from what it ought to be, which is the individual and involuntary communities. It completely twists things and turns things upside down.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah. I mean, I forwarded my mail when I moved here almost two years ago. They’re still forwarding my mail and they’re even forwarding the mail of my sister who we were living with. And it has taken me eight months to try to get the government owned post office to correct their problems and even get somebody to listen to. Now, I know that seems very simplistic, but there’s the problem. There is a government agency that has never functioned well. And if you think you turn everything of your life over to the government and they’re going to make things better, who are you going to talk to? It will be a nameless, personless group of people that will be running and controlling everything in our lives and there will be no recourse, no way of appeal. That is at the core, the great problem and the great threat that socialism is.

I hope that our alarms right now, beloved, are going off in your mind and you’re starting to see why socialism moves within relationships, business, government, schools, elsewhere. Even the church will be affected. There is nothing untouched when socialism is unleashed. When we return, I want to compare how socialism is in conflict with American values and history, but also Christianity. We got to know why we are Americans and what are our values and how this runs against everything we believe as Christ followers. Stay with us.

Well, if you just dropped into Stand in the Gap today, we welcome you and we’re discussing the rise of socialism in the United States, even evidenced by last week and the election, but also sadly, the willing acceptance by many in the evangelical world. We’re going to talk about that. Greg Schaller is our guest. Greg, you’ve outlined some of the tenants of Marxism and that philosophy, but I also think it’s important that if you’re going to understand the counterfeit or what’s false, you got to know what’s true. And I want to remind our audience why America is exceptional. What is it about our nation’s history and values that makes America America and how it is in conflict with Marx? Will you do some compare and contrast and especially highlight the American mindset or the American philosophy and why that’s so unique?

Greg Schaller:

Absolutely. I think there’s three fundamental questions, big picture questions that will point out the obvious contrast and incompatibility of the two. We start with very different answers to these three questions. First, where do rights come from? Second, what is man? And third, who should hold power? So when Americans think about where do rights come from, we probably immediately turn to the Declaration of Independence, the famous words, “We are endowed by our creator with certain rights. Among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Rights come from God, so no government can rightly take them away. That’s why what the British were doing, taking away these God-given rights was so offensive to our founders and they wanted them restored because no legitimate government can take away these God-given rights. In Marxism, rights come from the state or from the party, so the state can take them away.

It can do so with legitimacy in its understanding of the world. So there’s a very big difference between an idea of a citizen and a subject. A citizen, as we are in America, have God-given rights that the state cannot take away. Second question, what is man? The founders were realists about human nature. Many of your listeners may have heard from James Madison, his famous quote in Federalist 51. He said, “If men were angels, no government would be necessary, but they knew we were not angelic. We knew we were fallen.” So they built separation of powers and checks and balances and federalism and a bicameral legislature, all designed to restrain power because people can’t be trusted with too much of it. Marx, however, believes that man was shaped by his environment and can be perfected by changing the system. If we eliminate the ownership class, eliminate them, we build a new system, it’s going to create a utopia and it believes in the perfectability of man.

So he didn’t see the necessity of these guardrails like our founders did because we had very different understanding of human nature. And then finally, who holds power? The American system disperses power. It does it through all those institutions, the separation of powers, checks and balances and federalism. The DSA program, as reported, wants to concentrate it. They want to abolish the Senate. They want to abolish the electoral college, make the presidency and the Supreme Court answerable to Congress and put the largest corporations and essential industries under public ownership. They believe in this concentration of power and they fail to see the great threat to it. So again, there’s three important questions. Where do your rights come from? What is the man? What is the nature of man? And who ought to hold power are very, very different and distinct and incompatible understandings. Let me just throw out a couple of other things where you can see a difference between Marxist thought and traditional American though.

The idea of property, we’ve already talked about this some, but the Fifth Amendment protects private property. Our constitution protects it and Marx calls for abolishing it, or at least in the means of production, the individual versus the class. America sees you as an individual with dignity and responsibility and Marxism simply sees you as a member of a class. Equality. America has historically met equality before the law and equality of opportunity where Marxism is aiming for equality of outcome and enforcing it. Religion, again, our First Amendment of the Constitution protects free exercise of religion. The Marxist states have consistently suppressed churches, eliminated churches because they see church as a threat to the higher loyalty that they seek out, which would be the state. And then finally, I would say civil society. We touched on this a little bit earlier. Tocqueville, when he came over to America in the 1820s, 1830s writing his book, Democracy in America, he was astonished by how churches, charities, civic groups stepped in and provided services for people, helped people out, people of their own volition solving problems, and socialism seeks to replace all of those with the state.

So when we look globally around the world, the Soviet Union, Maoist, China, Cambodia, Cuba, North Korea, we see the track record is of Marxist states coming in, taking over, destroying these institutions, having no respect for them whatsoever and the citizenry actually suffering greatly because of it.

Jamie Mitchell:

Wow. Greg, I guess one of the things in the past couple of years that has troubled me is hearing of many within the evangelical camp supporting or even extolling the virtues of socialists. You work at a Christian university when I heard of long time faithful conservative Christian universities and colleges hiring and putting at the upper level of their administration DEI vice presidents who they were going to implement a DEI agenda throughout there. I was shocked. How can this be and why would so many Christians be taken in by some of this socialist teaching?

Greg Schaller:

Yeah, I think it’s a clouded view of both problems and solutions. We know that America has racism in its history. We know that it existed. We know it’s not completely eliminated. So there’s a desire for justice, yet how they’re going about doing it. So I think they’ve misunderstood the degree of the problem because we can certainly say America is less racist today than it was 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 150 years ago. Not to say the problem’s been completely eliminated, but it’s not what it used to be. But then remedies, do we want to penalize somebody today for the sins of somebody 200 years ago? And then through programs like affirmative action, do we want to harm people today in order to accommodate for, again, maybe sins that occurred 50, 100 years ago? Do we want to elevate somebody who’s less qualified to a position and disqualify somebody who is well qualified for the position?

So I think in seeking justice, they’re misguided in their understanding of the nature of the problem and of the solution. I think the same thing is true about economic issues, dealing with the poor. They are recognizing the problem and the Bible is very clear. It falls on us to try and to have concern for the poor, to have compassion for the poor, but understanding the nature of the poverty and then the best ways of solving that poverty, of elevating people out of poverty into a better standard of living. So they’re taking, I think, a legitimate concern. Yes, we should care for justice. We are called as Christians to care for justice and then we should care for the poor, absolutely, but understanding the nature of the problem and then understanding solutions. I’m going to throw you a curve ball here, Jamie. In 2012 Bono, the lead singer of U2, gave a speech at Georgetown University and he shocked his audience.

He had been working in poverty relief for decades and decades and he was not seeing results. And the light bulb finally went off and he realized that it wasn’t charity, it wasn’t government programs that was finally going to elevate people out of poverty. It was commerce. It was private property ownership. It was entrepreneurial capitalism. And that light bulb went off and he realized we’ve been giving money and money and taking from giving to others and it’s not solving the problems. Free markets are the solution. If you care about people, you truly want to elevate them out of poverty. And that’s what’s so ironic here with the democratic socialists, with the Marxists. They’re taking, I think, a Legitimate concern, but they’re bringing wrongheaded solutions to these things. I think a lot of Christians read something like Acts two, Acts four, and so they had all things in common.

And you hear that and you think, oh yes, we ought to just divide property. But that’s not the way this actually happened. A close reading, it was voluntary, it was local, it was church based. It’s very different what the democratic socialists are calling for. I was recently at a conference and someone was doing a meditation on the Good Samaritan. And they mentioned one thing that of all of the parables, over 85% of them deal with work and with labor. And the good Samaritan, we have to recognize there’s a contrast. There’s theft, and then there is the Samaritan who of his own wealth provides generously for the person who was harmed and maimed. That’s a very different than state redistribution.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah. Friends, I hope you’re fully embracing what Greg is laying out here for us today. Christianity and the American experiment are incompatible with Marxism and socialism. Many of our young people, maybe some of your kids, they don’t see the conflict. You may have to help them. When we finish up, how can the church respond? And what if socialism does rule the day? What do we do? Don’t go anywhere. Hold on to hear the ending of today’s great program on understanding socialism. Well, Greg Schaller has been our guest today. He’s done an excellent job helping us understand the rise of socialism in America and what we’re facing. Greg, I want to talk about what we need to do, but I have to just say to you, one of my great concerns is that today’s program may be falling on deaf ears and if not deaf ears, silent pulpits, because I think some, not all of what we’re seeing here in America can be traced back by the failure of pastors, Christian schools, Christian universities, parents properly discipling, influencing, impacting the people that they have charged to.

And so pastors are listening, church leaders are listening. What kind of counsel can we give them if this is really a potential problem regarding Marxism in our nation? Can we address it? Should we address it? What would you tell a pastor who really may say, “Hey, I want to try to stem the tide?”

Greg Schaller:

And I think there’s so many important issues. I live in Colorado. Religious institutions are under attack on a daily basis in this state. And sometimes I’ve just been appalled of the silence from the pulpit. I don’t want to call for my minister to be a political commentator. That’s not what I think they ought to be doing. I think they need to be teaching the text and teaching it faithfully, and that’s what’s most important. But doing so, you’re going to have to speak into some issues. We have minors being mutilated because of the gender dysphoria right now in the state of Colorado. And the state is trying to force religious institutions to accommodate people dealing with gender dysphoria. It’s just horrible. And if you’re a pastor, I don’t think you can be silent on that issue. We have abortion on demand to 40 weeks in Colorado.

I don’t know how a pastor can be silent on these issues. I think teaching the text, if you teach the text, you teach it well, the scripture is going to form the conscience and the politics I believe will follow. I think we’d be careful because one of the things we’ve talked about is this is a lot of young people and you may think that their grievance is exaggerated. Nevertheless, they have a grievance and simply dismissing them does not win them over. I think we have to talk with them. They may be a DSA supporter themselves or they probably know somebody who’s a DSA supporter and simply dismissing them is not going to recover them and bring them back to a better understanding. I think we have to acknowledge there are poor and the church has a big responsibility for dealing with the poor. Let’s push the state out of the business of dealing with the poor and let the church take this on.

There was a mayor here in Denver many years ago who asked every church to adopt a homeless family. And it was a serious program of really taking them in, of discipling them, of providing them with basic needs, providing them with career advice and preparing them for a job interview, doing that kind of work. Take that away from the state. Let’s show those who are sympathetic to DSA. We don’t need the state to deal with this. The church, private charities can do this and do this well as they did historically. I do think there’s an education component here. Invite people to your church who fled communist China, who fled communist Cuba, Venezuela. Let them share their stories and show them that this is not a good alternative, that there’s a much better way of dealing with this. And statism, state control of the economy is not the best way to go.

And I think finally just showing love to people who are confused. They are confused. They have a misguided history, economic illiteracy, but simply dismissing them is not going to win them over. So those are some ideas that I’ve been thinking about of how do I confront in a loving way, a person who I think is misguided in their thought?

Jamie Mitchell:

Greg, I had the opportunity to go to a former communist country or at least a country that when the wall fell and a lot of the Balkan states began to separate, break apart. I took my son there and I remember looking at the forced housing and the condition of commerce and industry and then hearing from some of the people who live in that country, the inability to get medical care. I can remember him as a teenager flying back home and being able to say, “Alex, that is the product of communism, socialism, Marxism. You have witnessed something that probably most of your classmates have not fully seen, but you’re going to be hearing something in high school that is telling the virtues of what you have now seen the product.” That has lasted with him. He is an entrepreneur today and a thriving capitalist. But I go back to some of those early years, Greg, of pointing out really what communism was producing and the pain that it brought about.

Greg, there’s been nations that were once like us, but the wave of socialism was too much. They buckled. And now those believers are living in some of those Marxist, socialist, communist states in just the last two minutes or so that we have together. As believers, how do you live under that type of a reign?

Greg Schaller:

Yeah. Just a quick anecdote. When I was in 10th grade in 1985, I was able to go on a school trip to the Soviet Union. I was in Leningrad in Moscow. It was two months after Gorbachev came to power. So none of his reforms have been implemented at that point. I saw the breadlines. I saw people standing around an entire block waiting to get their daily loaf of bread. I saw the horrors of it. I’ll never forget that. Yeah, I think in sort of wrapping this up and thinking about it, where we’re heading, I don’t think we need to panic yet and I don’t think we give up on the public square. As I said at the very beginning, this is still a minority, a small minority of our total population. I think we can still engage in the public square, but then we prepare.

We prepare because if things do continue down this path, we have to know that these people are hostile to our Christian faith and they will seek to take away our Christian faith, our freedom of religion. But we also know that God’s in charge and even under the Soviet block, even under communist China, the Christian church flourished. It continues to flourish in China, continues to grow. So we know that even if things turn really bad, there still is our hope in God. But again, we don’t give up on the public square. We try and influence the next generation. We try and teach them what is true. We show them examples historically of the failures of communism, of Marxism, of socialism and how that is not the solution and how those solutions are contra to Christian teaching.

Jamie Mitchell:

Yeah. And it’s not just a political economic theory in many respects. It’s a religion and it affects every part of life. Greg, you are a real blessing, my brother. Your insights are so helpful to so many people here. Thanks again for your willingness to serve us. Friends, if we are faced and facing a number of threats to our nation, as I mentioned last week, I believe Islam is one. I think the entire transgender movement is a threat to our families, our children. Antisemitism is a cancer spreading through our country. And then there’s socialism, this godless philosophy that promises much, but then never delivers and leaves nations, businesses, families, churches bankrupt financially and spiritually. It’s time for us to stand up, to speak up, to prepare. And to do that will take courage. And so like always as we part, I say to you, live and lead with courage.

We certainly need it in the day we are living. And so until tomorrow, 23 hours from now when we will start another stand in the gap today, God bless, have a great day.