Isaac Crockett:             Well thank you for turning in to our program today. I’m joined by our regular host and the president of the American Pastor’s Network, the Honorable Sam Rohrer. I’m also joined by Dr. Gary Dull, Senior Pastor of Faith Baptist Church in Altoona, Pennsylvania. He is, among many other things that he does, he’s the Executive Director for our Pennsylvania Pastor’s Network and if you are a regular listener you recognize their names and you’ll recognize their voices. We have a good friend with us, and he’s been a good friend of Sam and Gary’s for quite some time. And of mine for … I’ve known our guest today for at least a year or more and that’s Perry Gauthier, the Vice President of the North American Capital Ministries. I’m Isaac Crockett, pastor at Hamburg Bible Church in Hamburg, Pennsylvania. If you listen to all of our programs, you might recognize me, but we do have two of our regulars, and I’m helping fill in for Dave who’s not here today.

Well if you look at the news today or really any day, one of the sections that’s in the news it seems like is about celebrities. Celebrities garner a lot of attention and some people just get attention for getting attention. It seems that the families of celebrities or famous people seem to have a lot of pressure put on them. You can look today and see things going on, people getting divorced, or children being born. Every time there is a royal wedding all eyes are on that. Perhaps, the greatest pressure can come to families of our political leaders. They are put under the microscope so to speak. I remember back in 2007 when my father was alive, he was interviewed on Good Morning America by Chris Cuomo who’s father was Mario Cuomo, the governor of New York and his brother, Andrew, who is the governor now of New York but was at that time a senator. My dad talked to him. They had an interview where my dad actually got to share the gospel on air. Afterwards, Chris Cuomo came back to talk to him and the staffers there said that never happens.

He came back and my dad was able to talk to him about his life growing up under the microscope so to speak, and he seemed to really open up to my dad. They had some correspondence after that. It seems because somebody understood what he had gown through. Just a couple years ago, the day after the 2016 Vice Presidential debate had taken place, I got to meet up with Vice President Mike Pence. At that time he was candidate for it. He was governor still and I was speaking to one of his family members and he and my dad were good friends. But I was speaking to one of his family members and again that pressure that comes to the whole family was brought up as we talked.

Just yesterday, our special guest Perry and I were in an office of a state senator and he said the same thing about the pressure. Sam, you talk about this a lot that there’s a lot of pressure put on the candidate and the families. A lot of political leaders believe it or not actually feel very lonely and don’t always have someone to turn to that they can trust. We don’t think about that personal side of these figures sometimes when we see them on TV. But our leaders face enormous pressures and temptations that many of really don’t even understand. They need a good biblical grasp of what is right, what is wrong, and where to turn to.

So today, I want to talk with someone who has done a lot of missions to politicians. He is in charge of the North American group of this getting missionaries out to politicians. Hopefully, we’ll be able to allow you as our listener to get an idea of ways that you can pray for and help our elected officials.

Perry, I want to just thank you for being on with us. Perry is the North American Vice President of Capital Ministries. Thank you so much for taking the time to be with us today.

Perry Gauthier:            Yes, Isaac. It’s great to be here with y’all, a real privilege. I thank you for what you’re doing in the Pastor’s Network and helping pastors and equipping them as they take the stand that they need to as they preach the gospel and the word and have an impact in culture.

Isaac Crockett:             Perry, could you just briefly tell our listeners who your group is, the Capital Ministries Group? Could you just let us know briefly what you do as well as maybe the website that will give them information that they can turn to for resources?

Perry Gauthier:            Yes absolutely. The organization is called Capitol Ministries and we began 21 years ago in the Sacramento state capitol and our president and founder Ralph Drollinger got the vision with his wife to stop ministering to athletes. He’s a former NBA basketball player, seven foot two, and he ministered to athletes around the world for about 20 years. Then 22 years ago, met his wife and she said, “How about if you start ministering to political leaders and stop ministering to athletes and a bunch of jocks. The political leaders really need the Lord. They really need help.” So they began commuting from Los Angeles to Sacramento, the very first Capitol Ministries, and started sharing the word, walking the halls, getting to know political leaders and Capitol Ministries was born.

Since then, we’ve spread across America and started ministries in about 40 U.S. capitols in America and over 20 worldwide, actually I think about 26 worldwide including 14 in French Africa. Our mission statement, Isaac, is to make disciples of Jesus Christ in the political arena. I like to shorten it and say it’s our missions to politicians. We’re trying to reach these precious people. The great commission says, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel.” In the Gospel of Mark the great commission says, “Preach to every creature.” I like to joke with congregations when I preach around the country and say, “Are politicians creatures?” They get a good laugh out of that. I like to say, political leaders are precious people because Christ died for them. Just because government is corruptible, doesn’t mean government is not God’s idea.

so we really target, to summarize, our ministry targets specially right into the political realm. What FCA does athletes, reaching athletes and coaches, Capitol Ministries does for political leaders.

Sam Rohrer:                 Well Perry, this is Sam and I want to just thank you again for the ministry of Capitol Ministries. There’s a lot of tie in between what we emphasize on American Pastor’s Network and what you’re doing there as well. But before we get into what you’re teaching and instructing and so forth, let’s go back to California. Again, you started there-

Perry Gauthier:            Yeah.

Sam Rohrer:                 And do you know from talking to Ralph who started it with his wife, what was it that really motivated them to actually feel that it was a necessity to change what they were doing and focus on this area?

Perry Gauthier:            Yes, Sam. Thank you. That’s a great question. Danielle Drollinger worked for James Dobson and she was also part of a political action committee and very successful raising hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get the right Christian candidates into office, especially in D.C. When she met Ralph, she was quite frustrated. She explained to him her frustration centered on the fact that when the quote “right” candidates get in to office, they end up crumbling. They don’t vote right. They don’t stand for Christ. They don’t follow the ethics of the Bible in their lawmaking. She was very discouraged and in that sense she said, “Ralph, it’s fine to minister to athletes. We care about every soul but to minister to political leaders is vital because government is just a key part of culture.” That’s how the mission was born.

Isaac Crockett:             Welcome back. We’ve been talking about politicians, our elected officials, and some of the pressures that they face, special temptations and pressures, and struggles, and stress on their family. Our special guest is Perry Gauthier of Capitol Ministries and he was talking some in our first segment about how Capitol Ministries was started and about what they do now, not just in America, not just in California where it started, not just in America, but also throughout the world. Perry, could you tell us why it’s so important to reach our civil leaders and why they need to be reached yes evangelically but also they need to be discipled and mentored.

Perry Gauthier:            Yes, Isaac. Really politicians and government leaders need to be reached because for one thing, government is God’s idea that in a fallen world where not all have faith, government is a brilliant idea to enforce general morality and righteousness throughout the world. I like to tell my Nebraska senators as I lead the Nebraska bible state the last ten years that in a sense government leaders are societal saviors. Of course, they don’t replace the Lord Jesus Christ and his salvific work forgiving us for our sins, but in the sense of their slot in culture, civil leaders are to … The better the civil leader, the better the society. Domestic tranquility is ensured and general peace is helped and general evils are quelled. That’s God’s idea. Well these people need to not only be saved but they need to know what God’s word says about right and wrong so they can make laws and enforce them according to God’s will. God made this planet, he made all people, so biblical principles including salvation are just critical for political leaders so that they might run society well.

Gary Dull:                     Perry, it’s a delight to have you with us on the program today and of course the ministry that you have is a tremendous ministry. It’s a needed ministry.

Perry Gauthier:            Thank you, Gary.

Gary Dull:                     I’m just wondering if you could relate to our audience what kind of response that you get from our political leaders who come to your Bible studies?

Perry Gauthier:            You know. Thank you, Gary. Generally a very good response. They just say, “Thank you for being here.” The political world is thankless. All leadership really is lonely at the top and I tell senators that you wouldn’t be in this building if you weren’t a leader. Yet leadership can be lonely at the top. There’s all kinds of pressures and so really overwhelmingly, it’s just a sense of thankfulness.

I had a senator get saved last year. His wife was in tears over the issue. Totally changed his life through word of God, the free grace gospel. Another senator kind of cornered me and my wife after a senatorial Bible study and said, “You know what you’re doing for us?” And we said, “No.” And the senator said, “You’re giving us courage to fight.” We just love that. Another senator, I invited him a few years ago to a Bible study and he looked at us with wide eyes and we said, “Would you like to come to the senators only Bible study? You’re warmly welcomed, sir.” And he looked at us with wide eyes and he said, “I would like to come. I’ve never been to a Bible study.” He’s an adult leader and yet he’d never been to a bible study. After the first Bible study, we had never told on him, but after the first Bible study, we come to the end, he says, “Can I say something?” I said, “Yes, senator. Go ahead.” He says, “I’ve never been to a Bible study but this is fantastic.”

You get everything from salvation to first time Bible study attenders to those who say, “I know what the Bible says but you’re giving us courage to fight for Christ and serve God in the civil arena.” So overall Gary, it’s really a good response. It makes us feel good because it’s hard work. We’re right in the lion’s den but it pays off when you hear these kind of testimonies.

Sam Rohrer:                 Amen. Perry it certainly does and I know from being in office for a long time, that being in that position, and we’ve often heard about … We think back of Abraham Lincoln. He went into office not a believer but the pressures of office, the demands that were placed upon him, drove him to Jesus Christ and gave testimony to that. That’s what I find office does and that’s why it’s so important to have someone there who’s actually helping those who are at a point in their life, facing challenges that they’ve never faced, being called upon to make decisions that they have never made, considering issues that they have never thought about in most cases, and then how in the world do you do that. Well that’s the time when biblical instruction can be the most valuable. Many I’ve found will turn to the Lord if they don’t know, if there’s someone to help them. Now. So that’s a fantastic thing.

I’m going to shift just a little bit here and say when you are out and talking to churches, there are pastors, some get it, we know that. There are some that don’t get it. There are some churches that get it and some who don’t, but when you are out and you share the kinds of things that we are talking about now to a congregation, what’s the response? How have they in some of the states that have had Capitol Ministries in place for a long time, what have the churches and pastors in the states come to think about Capitol Ministries?

Perry Gauthier:            You know, Sam, when you said that I laughed because my answer to this question I thought it’s going to be simple. Some get it. Some don’t get it.

Sam Rohrer:                 I said it for you.

Perry Gauthier:            That’s hilarious. That’s a good summary of it. Some get it. Some congregations just … And I love in the off session speaking and preaching around not only Nebraska but other pulpits. I was just in New Jersey this week preaching. The reaction of most congregations is just they’re wide eyed and they just say, “Thank you. We knew there was answers even if our pastor never told us.” So many churches don’t get it. They are asleep. They hide behind a guise of so called evangelism where you don’t speak around anything tense because you wouldn’t want to offend somebody because then they won’t believe the gospel. A lot of churches don’t get it. They have their head in the sand and they say … You can tell one of these churches when they say, “We don’t get political.” Well if they don’t get partisan, that’s fine. Capitol Ministries is a non-denominational, non-partisan coed ministry. We want to reach everyone who wants to listen to the word of God. But what they usually mean by, “We don’t get political,” is “We stay totally out of government. We take our salt and light and we just withdraw it from government.”

When I hear of a church like that, I say, “Shame on them.” They’re to be salt and light in the governmental realm as well. Now some churches do get it. They understand that America was made great through leadership, through God, and the leadership of godly pastors, the great awakenings, the black robe regiment, the pastors that preach the full word of God to all of life and that certainly includes government. Those principles of government are so critical to any given culture. Some get it and some don’t, but I think overall, churches and church members are hungry for these kind of answers. They just know that government is so important and our country has become such a mess. When I preached in New Jersey, my message was entitled “Political Problems: America’s Mess and the Savior’s Solution.” People don’t know because their pastors so often don’t go there. I’m thankful for the Pastor’s Network because you’re challenging, teaching, and linking elbows with pastors that will stand and preach the full council, do realize that America has this incredible Christian, Godly heritage, and we can return to that. It’s not that hard. We just got to see clearly and walk back to those great days.

Isaac Crockett:             Perry, thank you so much for that. It’s so helpful to hear you say that. That part about courage and being a Christian does take courage. I think too many pulpits, too many Christians think that it’s actually the opposite, that we’re supposed to hide our faith when in reality we’re supposed to be a light. When you’re a light in the middle of a warfare, you become a target. So it’s easy for some people to lash out against us. We’re wrestling against Satan, and he’s a lion on the attack.

I think of the history you were giving of Ralph and Danielle starting in California. I can’t imagine a harder place to start and they’ve taken so much courage. They’ve taken it to the capital of our country and across. Could you also tell us a little bit … You’re in charge of Nebraska Capitol Ministries as well. You were just mentioning that. How many elected officials, you were just quoting a number I think last night when we were talking, it was in the thousands of elected officials if you take all municipalities in your state. This might just help our listeners realized, and maybe you could even mention something about your civic reach, that would be something all of us could be thinking of.

Perry Gauthier:            Yes, absolutely. That’s a great question, Isaac. In Nebraska, my position in Nebraska for 10 years has been Nebraska State Director for Capitol Ministries. As such my task was to spread a movement for Christ in the political realm across Nebraska. So while I start in the state house and the bullseye of my target is our uni[inaudible 00:17:34] legislature, my bigger assignment has been for 10 years to try and get the word, the gospel across Nebraska in any mayor’s office, city council, school board, anyone elected to anything. Well I little ole Nebraska, we’ve only got 1.9 million people in our state yet the number of political leaders and elected officials is 5,774. That’s a big mission field. That includes every mayor’s office et cetera, et cetera.

At all levels, if you’re elected to anything, we say, “You’re a worthwhile mission field. We want to bring the gospel to you and God’s wisdom so that you might know him, glorify him, enjoy him, and then vocationally that you might serve him well in legislative office.” In light of that big mission field that goes beyond the state house, we’ve developed in Capitol Ministries and you can see this on our website a program called Civic Reach where we are training, enlisting, hopefully thousands of pastors and people, bible teachers, evangelists, servers in Christ who want to reach in to their mayor’s office into their city council et cetera.

Isaac Crockett:             That’s great. What a mission field. Thousands of people that are our mission field and you have the civic reach that is for every municipality.

Well we started the beginning of our program talking about the difficulties that our authorities, our elected officials face and then Perry has been telling us about Capitol Ministries, about their mission to change our nation by giving the truth of God’s word to elected officials in ways that actually help change them.

In this part of the program, I want us to talk about Capitol Ministries and your philosophy of standing out really in the midst of other groups that are trying to get into our capitals and things. Perry, I’m hopeful that we can pick your brain on some of what’s going on. Because what you’re talking about is urgent. Some of the guys in the office know that today I did something I’ve never done in my life, I ran out of gas on my way here because I didn’t think it was an urgent need to put gas in my truck. I kept putting it off. It was something I knew I needed, but I didn’t think I needed it right now. What we’re talking about with our national leaders, we need this. We look at the Book of Acts and we see that the world was turned upside down but part of that was doing what you’re talking about with Capitol Ministries and what talk about with American Pastor’s Network.

So Perry I would just like to pick your brain a little bit, but start by just finding out how you got involved with Capitol Ministries. Maybe you could tell us a little bit about what you do now. You are with the Nebraska Capitol Ministries, you’re also Director of North American Capitol Ministries. You’ve been traveling for them just now. You’re at the end of a traveling tour. You could maybe tell us a little bit about your website and the resources on that as well.

Perry Gauthier:            You bet. Gladly, Isaac. Thank you for asking. I got involved in Capitol Ministries … I ran my own architectural business for 25 years but I got involved with Capitol Ministries because I also did part-time college ministries which I love because I was born again as a college student so I knew how vital that was. But then Capitol Ministries came to recruit me through a common friend. At first, I wasn’t interested because I was taught that politics is kind of evil and really only the gospel matters. Government, ah pooy. I was poorly taught, but when I came to understand that Capitol Ministries is about the Gospel of Christ and the full council of the word of God, just bringing all that to bear into this particular mission field, I said, “You know I’m not real political.” When they tried to recruit me. They said, “That’s fine because we’re not hiring you as a lobbyist. We’re hiring you as a Bible teaching evangelist.” I said, “That, I can do.”

I saw the excellence with which the ministry operated so really it was a hook in my jaw to be able to teach the Bible and share the gospel with a group that many would be intimidated by. But as I began to minister in this realm, I fell in love with this people group and found out that government is God’s idea and culture is great. We help when the capitols of the world are reached. In fact the majority of Paul’s missionary journey city stops were capital cities. In that very vein, my wife and I began our travels, to answer your other question, around North America last year. I like to say we had one good idea which was to visit the capital cities and see how we could minister and help our ministers in these different capitols.

One good idea, two willing servants, me and my wife, three broken windshields on four rental cars, five months of travel, 31 U.S. capitols, and 31,000 miles driven. The fruit of all that work last year and what we’re doing this year here up in the Northwest, and it’s a privilege to be in Pennsylvania today, is just to strengthen these capitols because we say in Capitol Ministries that capitols are the nerve centers of culture. We’re changing hearts to change a nation but the Lord is the answer. The Lord and his word is the answer.

That’s what makes us unique. There’s a lot of people that think just beating up on politicians because they’re voting wrong all the while losing your witness is the answer. Really it’s just-

Gary Dull:                     Perry let me just jump in here for a second to elaborate a little bit more specifically on the ministry aspect of it as it relates to other ministries.

Perry Gauthier:            Yes, sir.

Gary Dull:                     There are many other ministries in particular down in Washington D.C. If you just walk around the Capitol Building itself, there are probably a dozen different ministries reaching into that particular area, into the capitol. We’ve got the same thing at state capitols. There are many, many different ministries, so how does Capitol Ministries differ from these other ministries that are in and around our states and national capitols?

Perry Gauthier:            Yes, Gary. Great question. I think probably the distinctive of who we are is we are Bible teaching evangelists. Our mission is to make disciples in two words. Well the Greek word for disciple is mathitis and that means a math student, a theological number cruncher. The Latin word for disciple is discipulus which means a disciplined learner. So if we’re going to make disciples in the state capitols and really any capitol central city, anywhere we can get into a governmental realm, we’ve got to be Bible teachers and we’ve got to be evangelists. That’s what we focus tightly on. There’s prayer ministries in most capitols and some of those are great. Some of those are not so good. There’s round robin legislators teaching each other and that’s better than nothing. What we try to send into the capitol is a biblically reliant, well trained person who just focuses on bringing the word of God to bear on the lives of these leaders.

So we are thankful for all the ministry that we see in capitols, but we find there’s almost always a spot for us because there’s usually not an intensive Bible oriented teacher/pastor who’s there to serve them entirely. Unfortunately, Gary, as you know, in some of the capitols there’s synchrotistic ministry going on in a group that has presence in many capitols including D.C. with the prayer breakfast have turned to the heresy of Chrislam saying that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

Gary Dull:                     Right.

Perry Gauthier:            That’s just horrifying to me as a minister. I’m ecumenical, I’ll get along with any true believer and be kind and a good neighbor but boy when you get synchrotism in these capitols, that’s bad news. I think the Bible, deep Bible teaching, probably is our hallmark.

Sam Rohrer:                 Well Perry we can identify fully with what you’re saying in that regard. Let me ask you a question here because this is something that some of our listeners may be thinking about. The American Pastor’s Network and Capitol Ministries are very similar in a lot of respects: focus on the word of God, biblical principles, biblical world view, living it out in all aspects of life and that includes the area of government. But a lot of people, when you use the word missionary, a lot of folks are not used to thinking Bible teaching in a state capitol as an example or whatever as a quote, unquote “missionary” effort. A lot of churches will look or pastor will look and say, “You know, you’re not overseas in some foreign field so you’re not really a missionary.” But yet in fact, it is. Build that out just a little bit if you can please.

Perry Gauthier:            Yes. Absolutely. I like to say we’re Bible missionaries. We’re not just mere evangelists. Our New York leader, Dale Walker in Albany, he led 13 New York legislators to Christ in his first year. That’s really saying something because by the time a leader is in government leadership, their ideology is baked. Now God can save anybody. He can save the wicked king of Nineveh, but while we’re evangelistic we feel like we’ve got to get … Like true discipleship is thorough biblicity. The Apostle Paul when he went, he didn’t just get a number and get a notch in his belt and did you make that decision, okay see you later. Just a shallow evangelistic effort is not what the great commission is about. One state senator told me, “Perry, your job in the Nebraska capitol is to put the cookies on the low shelf and get all these folks saved.” I said, “Well senator, I appreciate your evangelistic heart but Capitol Ministries exists to make disciples of Christ who will obey everything Jesus said. That means knowing everything he said and then wanting to obey it.” So it’s a deeper, it truly is evangelism but it’s better, deeper, more biblical evangelism.

Isaac Crockett:             Thank you for listening and as we get ready to wrap things up, it’s hard to believe that it’s already … Our last segment the end of the show here as we’ve been talking about ministering in the capital cities where our laws are made, ministering to the men and women who make our laws. We have Perry Gauthier here from Capitol Ministries. He’s been our special guest with us. Thank you for being so patient and for taking the time with us today, Perry.

As we get ready to wrap these things up, what last words would you like to share with our listeners and resources, any kind of websites or other information, maybe information about the civic reach again or just things that we can pray for to help our elected officials and to work together with the American Pastor’s Network and with Capitol Ministries in really turning the world upside down and affecting our culture with the biblical truth?

Perry Gauthier:            It’s been a joy to be with you and I appreciate your work. It is vital that we reach this political people group. They’re in the center of culture by God’s design they are to lead and in certain senses to save society. The better and more godly the government, the more that society is saved and it prospers and flourishes. It ensures domestic tranquility and just like Jonah, that lousy evangelist, reached the kind of Nineveh, that wicked vile famously evil man, yet he repented. So did all of his top officials. It really turned that city state of Nineveh upside down with a genuine revival that Jesus commented on later as true. It is just vital.

We can turn the world upside down, but not if we forget that the political kings of the earth must be saved. Join with us in prayer. As far as our resources, You can find out about Civic Reach. If you want to be part of reaching any of the 40,000 city and county governments in America, you can download Bible studies of what my boss, Ralph Drollinger is teaching President Trump’s cabinet. We’ve got 12 out of 15 cabinet members attending a weekly Bible study as well as separate senators and house members study on capitol hill. You can read all those studies and listen to them in audio.

A couple other things. You can pray for us of course. You can look at our United States map where we have Capitol Ministries and you can encourage leaders in your state and pastors to get involved.

Finally, I’d  mention my personal website,, Nebraska Capitol Ministries, I’ve got a couple studies on there that are appropriate for this week. One is called “Rebels for the Cause” where I taught the Nebraska senators the theology, the good theology, of the American Revolution and why this nation was born out of the good theology. And secondly, another one called “Patriotism: Pride or Problem?” It gives us a biblical balance on the concept of patriotism.

We would covet your prayers and support and you can learn more at these two websites, or just

Isaac Crockett:             Thank you. That’s very helpful. Gary, as a pastor who has been involved in the lives of many civil leaders, you’ve been involved with Capitol Ministries, and you yourself have done a lot with many of our elected officials. You’ve been in D.C. a lot. Could you maybe share really quickly as we get ready to close maybe a passage from scripture or an example from the Bible of somebody who went to civil leaders and that could be a good example for our listeners?

Gary Dull:                     Well yes. It’s interesting to note that both in the Old Testament as well as in the New Testament, Isaac, that many of the prophets in the Old Testament as well as the Apostles, particularly Apostle Paul in the New Testament, was involved with governmental leaders. You can take it from the days of Moses right on up through the Apostle Paul and you will find that they were in the headquarters of the nations. They were in the governmental centers. I should put it that way, of the nations. Even when the Apostle Paul was on his missionary journeys, he got into a lot of the capital cities. I think that you have the example there. But you know, I think that because of the pressure, because of the strain that’s on our political leaders, it’s important that we do reach out to them in the name of the word of God simply because of the fact that it’s the word of God that if they receive it, will give them the direction and the insight that they need in order to be able to make proper decisions.

On the other hand, it’s the word of God that will give them strength and they need that. We just recently heard on the news that Senator Rand Paul had his family threatened. Something threatened as I understand to cut them up with a hatchet. Think about that. Just think about that for a minute, Isaac. That’s sad and we hear about that but these things happen over and over again. Perhaps on a smaller scale but the pressure is there. So these leaders whether it’s on the federal level, state level, or local level, they need to hear the word of God for comfort, for strength. It’s our responsibility as Christians to see that that’s done.

Isaac Crockett:             Thank you. That’s very helpful coming from you with your experience in doing just that. That is a good example for us.

Sam as you close out our program here and get ready to even close our program in prayer, could maybe leave any closing remarks? Kind of let our listeners know if you go to our website for example, click on the tab that says partners, Capitol Ministries is the first partner website that shows up there. Could you tie together how these two work together and our philosophy here at American Pastor’s Network for reaching our culture?

Sam Rohrer:                 Absolutely, Isaac. One of the things that we talk a lot about on the program is biblical world view. We talk about how God has established the four institutions of authority: individual, family, civil government, and then church and how all of these are a part of God’s plan for a well ordered society. When each of those in those individual capacities and their authority potions know what God’s word is and do them, then God says, “I will bless that nation.” In Deuteronomy Chapter 30:15-19, the word there is given out. God says, “If you do and follow my commands, my statutes, and my rules and you fear me, then I will bless your nation. I will give you children which is a blessing from God, increase your wealth, and I will give you security.” If you don’t do those things, then the opposite goes that way. Well what is it? Well individuals, we are in a self government here in the United States. Where do we get that concept from? The Bible. Where do you get the idea about families, and mothers and dads and children honoring them and parents teaching their children in the ways of God and giving instruction? That’s from the word of God.

Where do we find out about what those in government ought to be and do? From the word of God. Want to find out about the church? From the word of God, Isaac. That is the alignment here because we understand that if we don’t know these things from God’s word, if those in office don’t know why they’re there, if the person in the pulpit don’t know why they’re there and how they’re going to answer to God, if Mom and Dad don’t understand how they’re going to give accountability to God, then in fact a nation cannot be blessed. An individual cannot be blessed. A family can’t be blessed. The commonality is that God’s word holds the answer and it has the plan that when we do it, God will bless our nation. We’ve had that blessing but we’re losing it because we’ve walked really away from him.