This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on 11/2.  To listen to the program, please click HERE.

Sam Rohrer:                      Hello, and welcome to this special… Actually, I’m looking here at my program today and this is our special Thursday program. I jumped ahead to Friday, I don’t know why. This week has gone by so unbelievably quickly. But today is Friday or Thursday rather, get it straight and it’s our monthly health freedom update with Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens’ Council for Health Freedom. And in the area of health freedom, there are many things of note to report today, and it’s been just a little bit longer than a month that Twila has been with me so we’ve got a number of things to go over and we want to bring forward the most pertinent of health freedom news and a brief analysis of them. The title I’ve chosen for today’s program is this, Good News, Bad News, and More Confirming News. And everything we share has already impacted our health and our health freedom. It’s currently impacting it or it may soon.

Everything we’ll share today I’m going to say is relevant, something of which every informed Christian citizens should be aware. But before I bring in Twila, let me just share a few brief comments about the quickly changing face of the Middle East in the expanding war between Israel and her Islamic and communist enemies. First, I would strongly encourage you, if you did not hear Monday’s program of this week with Albert Veksler, global director of the Jerusalem Prayer Breakfast who called directly from Jerusalem that you make a special point of listening to that on our Stand in the Gap app or website. Now in that program, we discussed a couple of things that I think of real interest, the real mood, not the reported, the media mood, but the real mood of the people and the political leaders. Are they united really or are they not?

The prophetical alignment of the nations we’re witnessing, and we covered this, the underlying theological and eschatological motivations of all parties involved, from the Islamists, to Russia, to Israeli leaders, to Western leaders as they have indicated from their own mouths. Now, the program from Monday of this week is unique. It’s truly insightful and I think it would be well worth your time if you did not hear. Secondly, make a point of joining me tomorrow as the Lord willing, the Honorable Michele Bachmann is going to be with me, and we’re going to present the latest, including the official joining of the war against Israel by the Houthi rebels from Yemen and what may occur by tomorrow, and that’s an official declaration of war even by Hezbollah and the union of Turkey and Iran. There’s a lot happening.

In addition, we’re going to be talking about our upcoming APN celebration less than two weeks away now, Tuesday evening, 6:30 PM to which again, I invite all of you who can come to join me and our entire team. Michele and Dr. George Barna and others are going to be there. Plan on being there early. It’s at High Point Baptist Chapel. For those of you who are within driving distance, it’s Geigertown, Pennsylvania, just a few miles off the Pennsylvania Turnpike Morgantown exit. You can find it on your map. Go to our website, for additional information. But with that, I want to welcome and bring in right now, Twila Brase. Twila, thank you so much for being back with me.

Twila Brase:                       It is always good to be back with you. I’m sorry I’m not going to be there in a few weeks.

Sam Rohrer:                      Well, that would’ve been a real treat because so many of our listeners, they like Twila Brase and I know why, because you have good information and as many of them said, if you don’t have the facts, if I ask you a question then you say, “Well look, I don’t have it, but I will get it.” And that’s always a good thing. But let’s start here with the good news portion of the program because it is, as it relates to health and health freedom and that is this. We now have a new Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Now, he’s a professed Christian. He says it, he cited the Bible. He’s a former alliance defending freedom attorney, having fought to protect religious freedom assaults from others in the past. He’s led the Republican study committee. That’s a good thing, but now he’s in a position where something can actually be done. Can you share your view of Speaker Johnson and how his position might in fact be good news for health freedom issues?

Twila Brase:                       Well, right when he was elected, the newspapers talked about how he is essentially an enigma. Most people didn’t know who he was, didn’t know his name, anything like that about him. But the fact of the matter is he’s a constitutional attorney and he was the chair of the Republican Study Committee. So that’s that conservative group. And so then when you look from the healthcare perspective, you have to look at what he has done in the past. And as chair of the Republican Study Committee in 2019, he was the first signer of a report that was… I’m forgetting what the name of it was, but it was essentially affordable personalized care. I think that was it, right? And so he had a whole variety of things that were in that report that they wanted to do, including essentially freeing the health savings account.

So right now you can have a health savings account only if you have a high deductible plan. Nobody can have it unless they have a plan. And when you’re in Medicare, you can’t put any more money in the health savings account that you have. So part of what this report said is they wanted to free the HSA. That would be a really great thing. I was also getting rid of certificate of need around the country saying that people who want to start a clinic or start a hospital should not have to go to the state and beg and plead for permission to set up a facility or a hospital. An existing hospital should not have to go to the state to ask to add 10 beds. I bet your listeners don’t even know that that happened. So under certificate of need or hospital moratoriums, they’re limited to how many beds they can have. And so there are things like that. It really supported direct primary care and healthcare sharing ministries.

Two things that weren’t in there that we would’ve loved to have seen in there and could now be possible because he is speaker. It’s a little hard to say. He has power, but he also has to deal with everybody else in that room. But we would love to have the Retirement Freedom Act, which will be shortly reintroduced by Ted Cruz and Congressman Gary Palmer. And that is the one to let Americans opt out of Medicare without losing their Social Security benefits. That’s related to the executive order that we got from Trump, but then that was interfered with by COVID. So right now all we have is the possibility of the bill and if it would at least get a hearing, maybe a vote, that would be fantastic.

And the other thing is just to bring back catastrophic coverage, the kind of real coverage, not a health plan, but a medical indemnity policy that pays you just like your house insurance or your home insurance and your car insurance. If you have a problem, they pay you and then you go figure it out. That’s how health insurance used to be. It kept out all those third party interlopers and that’s how it should be again.

Sam Rohrer:                      All right. Well, we have a possibility ladies and gentlemen, let’s pray for this new speaker. He is in a position to make many good things happen, but as Twila said, he cannot, he’s got a divided house. So one guy’s not the answer to all these, but he can help. So do pray that under this, some actual good policy, we’re talking now health freedom and health choices, that actual good things do come forward. So we’re going to stop there with the good news. When we come back, we’re going to shift gears and go into some other areas we’ve put in the category of news not so good.


Sam Rohrer:                      Well, if you’re just joining us right now, Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens’ Council for Health Freedom is with me today. This is our monthly health freedom update and the title I’ve chosen for today is this, Good news, bad News, and More Confirming News. And you say, “Huh, what is all that?” Well, we’re getting to it. We just shared some good news. And that’s primarily, I would suppose because we have a new Speaker of the House in Washington. It’s good we have a speaker. This speaker certainly in my opinion, the potential to be far better than the last one. And certainly on the Democrat side and Nancy Pelosi is very clear, we have an opportunity, we need to pray for this individual, but that has a potential for good policy and some good legislations. But again, it’s one guy. So we started there.

But when it comes to the matter of health freedom, that’s our focus, the ability to make one’s own health choices in conjunction with a competent and willing physician and to expect that those discussions, that diagnosis of whatever it is from that doctor to ourselves and the treatments that he may employ, we expect those to remain confidential.

The track record though of our U.S. and state governments has been frankly, truly terrible in that regard as federal money over the years have gotten involved in, well, all kinds of things, not just laws but initiatives, all kinds of federal money coming back to the states and everywhere. That money’s become bribe money and state and private companies that end up being recipients, those policies have changed because of that money. And I’m telling you, it’s a dastard play and backdoor approach that circumvents the citizens, the election process and the constitutional guardrails put in place by earlier lawmakers way back, who viewed at that time their moral and constitutional obligations of something not to be compromised. But the culture today is not one born of duty and obligation and protecting of citizens’ freedom. It’s not. And that’s why the need for health freedom and organizations like, well, particularly Twila, Citizens’ Council for Health Freedom is so necessary.

All right, Twila, let’s go here now to this. August 7th, so just a few months back, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services and the Department of Health and Human Services proposed a regulation that would continue the government’s ongoing intrusion into the practice of medicine, further eroding privacy and confidentiality rights of Medicare patients and more. But you and your team have watchdogs, I’m going to call them there, the CCHF, issued a press release on this proposed regulation. Can you share what it was that you saw as an issue? What did you warn against and what would be bad news from a healthcare perspective if this regulation is not withdrawn or significantly changed?

Twila Brase:                       Well, this was the Medicare payment rule and deep within that was a provision that would pay doctors and hospitals and clinics more money if they would collect what the government calls social determinants of health. And that would be data on every part essentially of the individual’s life. When you look at the totality of that initiative, it could be everything from whether you are living close to a park, the walkability of your neighborhood, your income, what kind of transportation do you have, what’s your housing, what’s your behaviors, what’s your health status, your health insurance, what’s your education. So all of these are considered social determinants of health. And we have put out a one-pager, which we gave to Congress and we passed around Congress, it’s also on our website just to talk about what this really is because this is a Marxist initiative to say everything in your life impacts your health and therefore the government should be involved so that you are a healthy person.

And so here they’re putting it into a Medicare asking doctors, hospitals and clinics to collect this information and saying that the government will pay them for 15 minutes of time because that’s how long they figure it will take for them to collect this information. Well, we don’t want the exam room to be an opportunity to exploit patients, to have this kind of information collected for a government purpose when they are there to get healthcare for whatever it is, medical care for whatever it is.

We commented, a public comment against this proposal in this payment rule to say, this does not belong in healthcare anywhere. This should not be happening. It’s not only a major intrusion, but it is the underlying data to take control, further control of the entire healthcare system and actually the economy. If you think about all the things that I mentioned that they say, all of these things impact health, so we should be involved.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, I wanted to follow up on that because there’s another example I want to ask you about. You’re talking about government entities right now, collecting data, wanting to get more information. Again, as I said earlier, using federal money, taxpayers’ dollars to actually do things which are not in the favor of the taxpayer, the citizen to bribe money. It’s bad. But before I ask you this other private company that’s getting involved, can you just rehearse just briefly again, what is the value of this data? A lot of money’s being spent, a lot of coercion is being employed. The data that is collected, what is its value? Why is the federal government so much about surveillance and tracking and collecting personal, sensitive patient information? I think our people need to hear again why.

Twila Brase:                       Well, data drives policy. So if the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services come to Congress and say, “You know, we have all of these people who are like this,” Or, “We have all of these people who are unhealthy and we discovered that they don’t live in their own home, they don’t live close to grocery stores or whatever it is,” then they ask for millions of dollars to solve these problems. And so that’s one of the reasons.

Another reason particularly with the Medicare population is that they are really diverting the money away from medical services itself. So there is only so much money in Medicare and it’s scheduled to be insolvent in 2031, eight years from now. And yet they want to take some of this money and move it towards data collection. And so sometimes I’m sure what they’re thinking is the more data we have, the more we can use it against the patient and to control the doctor.

So these kinds of patients who have done these kinds of things, who have this going on in their life, they don’t need as much care, whatever it is. Or we’ll just create policies because we’ve got all this data and we can make claims and then we create policies that will actually limit access to care or will get us the government into their homes and then use the money that way. But the fact of the matter is that there is only so much money and they are actually diverting it for something they think is more important, which is data collection, which is social services rather than medical.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay. And I’m going to summarize ladies and gentlemen, why is it needed to advance socialistic policies? Because there are people in government who think they know better than you and me what needs to be done. And if you know what people’s needs are, you can use government to make people even more needy or as Twila’s saying, money’s running out. So we’re going to limit care, ration healthcare. Have you heard that before? All right, Twila, couple of minutes left. I got to go here though. Of all places, a car maker, Nissan, has indicated that they are willing to become a part of this surveillance state and collect data as well. What’s that all about?

Twila Brase:                       Well, it’s actually, there’s like 25 different car makers that have interesting policy statements when it comes to privacy. This one has to do with Nissan, which is really the most egregious one, which is that Nissan is collecting data about the owners of the cars. So it’s your car, but they’re collecting your data, including your driver’s license, your IDs, your citizenship status, religious or philosophical beliefs, race, national origin, sexual orientation, sexual activity. That’s actually in there. Precise geolocation, so exactly where you are, health diagnoses data and genetic information. All of that is listed in Nissan’s privacy policy. And you are agreeing to it when you sign whatever the form is. And it’s of course not just a form, it’s like probably buried in there when you get the car.

Sam Rohrer:                      Ladies and gentlemen, again, read the fine print. And I know most times people don’t read the fine print and they know that too. But what in the world does a car maker need to know about what you do at home? Just think logically. Don’t give people information for which they have no logical reason to need it. But here again, federal money turns into bribe money. Now, I don’t know this for a fact, but I can almost guarantee it Nissan is doing that because they’re getting paid something, they’re getting some financial benefit and these other car makers from the federal government. It’s evil. It is wrong. It is not constitutional, it is not moral. But again, we’re talking down again, the biblical worldview I’m going to put out here. If you understand what the purpose of government is, protect those who do well, punish those who do evil, you wouldn’t have any of this. This comes out of a secular anti-biblical worldview purpose of government. So it all comes back to that. And that’s not our focus today, but I had to stick it in.

When we come back, we’re going to move to an area what I’m going to call more confirming news because slowly but surely information is finding its way out from the federal government confirming what we’ve talked about on this program for many years.


Amy Baisley:                      All right. Well, welcome back here. We’re actually right smack in the middle of the program today. So if you’re just joining us, you are stepping into a conversation between myself and Twila Brase, president and co-founder of Citizens’ Council for Health Freedom. And this is our monthly health freedom update.

Now, we’ve shared some good news, we’ve shared some advancing bad news, meaning government trying to get more information about you and me, forcing our doctors to do it and kind of thrown in there in that last segment why that is and did some connecting to things we’ve talked about before. Your purpose for government comes right out of that. If you’re a socialist, you want to get everything you can about people because you own them you think. A biblical worldview of government says no. The individuals, we need to empower them to make more decisions for themselves and keep ourselves out of it. And hence the conflict of much we see happening in government policy today. It’s all a matter of worldview.

Now, in this matter of healthcare, this segment I want to talk more about, I would say more confirming news. And I’m going to put this in the category of good news, except that the confirming parts of it are not necessarily good, but you’ll see what I mean. But prior to the COVID bioweapon attack on American, obviously we know it began in 2019, actually fully became full-blown in 2020. But prior to that point, as we’ve talked about so much health data, the collection of health data, the reporting of it, the analysis of it, health sciences generally, what is science, what is not science, medical research, how it’s done, accountability within it, how it’s interpreted, analysis, all of those things. And the recommendations that we got generally from the “experts”, be they in government or in business, were generally, I’m going to say this, generally pretty trustworthy, but with the global embracing of the COVID bioweapon, which it was, and we now know the COVID jab lie was a part of it.

Take it and you’re going to be better. Not true obviously. And the complete distortion of government policies, restrictions, accountability all wiped away. Data collection twisted. Our own FDA, U.S. Department of Health and CDC and more became, well, what used to be reliable became frankly, the complete opposite of that. And then there were news entities, news reporting like here, here at Stand in the Gap today and Twila’s organization, honest physicians, many of them we’d call frontline docs, other medical personnel and other entities out there. They were trying to tell the truth, and we did. And we were all hammered by the powers that be trying to silence what was said, threaten the truth tellers. We’re not need to go through that, but you remember. We need to recall that. But it’s interesting how over time the truth will be made known.

So Twila, let’s just go into here, started with good news, some bad news in that last one. Let’s talk about some confirming news because it seems that quietly but fairly regularly now, even government and their enablers are slowly but surely releasing much of what we’ve been saying all along. And one of those, a recent report worthy of noting is that, I’m just going to read it, “Data suggests COVID-19 vaccines have not saved lives, but instead have resulted in 17 million deaths and increased all cause mortality in 17 countries.” Okay, that’s just a piece of it. Tell us more about this confirming data.

Twila Brase:                       So this study was 17 countries in the Southern Hemisphere. Interestingly, it was released on September 17th with all those other 17 numbers that you mentioned. All cause mortality means that all the different reasons that people die from. And what they saw was after the COVID shots were deployed, that number just started to rise and rise and rise. And so this is not, and should not be a surprise probably to your audience who has perhaps heard the information from, I think it was called One America or America One, it was a life insurance company that I think it was late in 2021 at their own meeting, they said that there was a 40% all cause mortality in working age, so working age people. So I think that was 19 to 63. So this should not be a surprise. They said that was like a catastrophe of a 200-year catastrophe.

And so what’s interesting about this report is it does say, and I’ll quote, it says, “There is no evidence in the hard data of all cause mortality of a beneficial effect from the COVID-19 vaccine rollouts. No lives were saved.” And that is the co-director of the Correlation Research in Public Interest.

Sam Rohrer:                      And that is astounding, really. That’s astounding news. But it is Twila, what we’ve talked about on this program, others were sharing and it was suppressed, suppressed, suppressed, suppressed. But now you’re finding some of this coming out and this information is truly staggering, but it is coming out.

Now, here’s another one, another poll came to attention here reveals that more than half of all adults are passing on the COVID vaccine. Now, I’ve run into people, Twila, who are still thinking, “I got to get my shot.” And even though we’ve talked about here, even the flu shots are mixed up now with mRNA. And if they’re not, they’re going to be, they’re factoring it in. I ran into a couple of people who had just gone to a local pharmacy and they had gotten three shots all at once. And I thought, “Man, unbelievable.” But many, many are saying, “Wait a minute, something is not right.” We don’t like what happened, we don’t like what we’re seeing. Certainly this collusion between big government and big pharma is there. All right, all that being said, can you share some more about this fact that so few people are actually getting the shot? What does that mean? It sounds good. What’s it mean?

Twila Brase:                       So this is hard data. The pharmaceutical companies, the government, all the purveyors of the shot can say whatever they want and they can promote it and they can do whatever they want. But the fact of the matter is the public is saying you know, “Say whatever you want, but we’re not going to get it.” So they don’t trust it. They know it doesn’t work because they keep getting COVID again and again. And as I’ve told you and your audience before, the Cleveland Clinic says, the more shots you get, the higher your risk of COVID and the public is getting the sense that this may actually be a harm.

So the latest thing that I heard is there are 7% of adults and 2% of children that are now vaccinated with the newest and latest shot. And I think that the public is looking at the sudden deaths, the medical emergencies that are happening with young people, young sports people, people under the age of 50 suddenly dying. It was just Matthew Perry from the Friends TV show. He just died and he had worn a T-shirt saying, “Could I be any more vaxxed?” Or, “Could I be any more fully vaccinated?” And he just died in a hot tub all by himself and he’s like 50 something. So they’re hearing these kinds of things and they’re seeing it and they don’t want to be one of those statistics.

Sam Rohrer:                      All right, and that’s a good thing. Okay, couple more minutes left here. Dr. Robert Malone, now people recognize him. He’s shared a lot of things. He’s revealed up there in New York State Government Department of Health has shown that public information about vaccines for children, that program they have up there, he’s shown some things about how it’s being enforced and how it’s actually being used to coerce doctors. Talk about this in these remaining couple of minutes.

Twila Brase:                       Yes. So not only is there money for vaccination, but there’s coercion. So your listeners may not know Vaccines For Children program. This is a federal program. It funds all the different vaccinations for children. And this program, the federal government is requiring any practitioner who gives any kind of vaccine from the Vaccines for Children program, requiring them to keep an inventory of the COVID-19 vaccines for the populations that they serve. So they have to purchase it, they have to keep a stock of these and the boosters. And if they do not do that, they can be contacted regarding their non-compliance. And of course what that always means is that they could be stripped of the authority to participate in the Vaccines for Children program and then of course they might lose their pediatric population or maybe even their adults, but mostly their pediatric population and therefore lose money.

Sam Rohrer:                      Here it goes again. Ladies and gentlemen, I’m telling you as we’re talking about… We saw it happen over the last couple of years, docs and others who were fully knowledgeable on one thing, all of a sudden taken change of position. How does that happen? How do you get hospitals that actually have patients in there and then they tell the rest of the family, you can’t be here with your sick family member or prescribe some kind of treatment in the case of what we saw with COVID that only the federal government said you could do, how does this happen? It happens when there’s all kinds of taxpayers’ money that goes in to these hospitals and to people and rewards them for doing something they otherwise would not do. And in this case, as mentioned here, that Twila is talking about actually threatening, coercing doctors or others. You see what it is. It’s the exact opposite of truthfulness, transparency and morality. This is where that is.

Now, when we come back, we want to conclude with… All right, we shared a lot of information. Okay, what do we do about it? There’s really no point to learn information if we don’t have someplace where to go with it. We’re going to talk about that next.


Sam Rohrer:                      All right, Twila, let’s walk into some conclusions here because this is where taking information, as I said earlier, becomes so important. You can give information, you give it out all the time. The very nature of this program is to give out information. But in my mind, it seems to me that if all we do is just give information, but it’s actually useless by the fact that people can’t do anything with it or we don’t give any practical application for it, it doesn’t do any good. To me, it’s a waste of people’s time and that we never want to be a part of.

So today we’ve talked about focus on health freedom. That’s appropriate. We do it because it’s important to help people steward and make decisions in their life regarding our health. We’ve made clear many, many times that a socialistic government, as we just talked about, wants to control people’s choices, their lives, everything about them because they don’t view people as being made in God’s image. They view themselves as little gods and they use public policy to do it. And that’s much of what’s behind what we see.

Now today, we’ve shared some good news. We’ve got a good speaker down there in DC. We need to pray for him. He can’t fix everything himself, obviously. He can help. That’s a good thing. We’ve talked about how some additional policies are coming out of the federal government actually encouraging car makers of all things to begin collecting personal data on people. Don’t give it, ladies and gentlemen, don’t give it. That’s an example of not good things. That’s bad news. It works against our freedom. Okay, but on the other hand, and we’re just talking about even in this last segment, the truth does ultimately come out. It does. And we’ve been telling the truth about all these things and slowly some of these things come out.

All right, all of that being established, here’s what I want to ask from your perspective. We’ve had some good news, some bad news, some confirmed things, confirming the truth of what we’ve been saying. What would you say in a practical sense, how can people take some of this information, all of this information, a piece of what we’ve done and help to encourage that which is good, help to oppose that maybe which is bad, or even how they’ve respond perhaps to the fact that, you know what? What they’ve been hearing on this program and your program is true after all. I’ll give you a wide open field. What do you say?

Twila Brase:                       So sometimes people ask me how and why I have hope and I say to them that when you are sitting out there in the general public and you feel like you aren’t and can’t do anything, you feel more hopeless because it seems like, what can I do? As an organization when I started this, when you’re actively involved, when you’re actively fighting, you feel hope because you are actively engaged and you actually believe that you can make a difference because you can. And so what I would tell people is we’re coming up to elections and elections matter and party platforms matter. And so they should get engaged because these people really do matter. And increasingly at the state level, they really matter because states’ rights are going to become ever more important as Governor DeSantis showed us and some of the other governors. But DeSantis during COVID, he really raised the flag on that one.

I would also say you need to share the news that you hear. Now, I was just down in Texas for a meet and greet at someone’s home and gave a presentation. And what I like to say is the more ears that hear, the more mouths that speak. And so once people know something, they can’t un-know it, and all of your listeners have a way to bring people together. And I certainly can come and talk to people and share the information, but there’s also our website for them to share it. There’s the minute they can go right online and they can share today’s minute with somebody. You have to change the mindset of Americans to change the trajectory of the country because culture changes policy. But above that, belief changes culture. And so you have to actually engage Americans and not just roll over and think, “Well, we’re going to get socialism.”

That’s one thing that I really, really, really dislike is when people say statements like, “Well, you know, once they’ve achieved socialism or once they’ve achieved digital cash.” And I’m like, “You already acquiesced.” So your words are really important. You’ve already acquiesced and then you cause other people to acquiesce too because they’re like, “Oh yeah, that’s coming.” Well no, it doesn’t have to come. It’s really about your heart and your words and how you speak.

And then of course I would say talk to your state legislators about helping to build the parallel healthcare system that we’re trying to build. They need to restore real insurance in their state. They need to take state’s rights and say we’re going to have real insurance, the kind of insurance that pays people, just like with car insurance and homeowner’s insurance pays people and they take the money, cash is king, out and they find that the care that they want and nobody intrudes, nobody’s collecting data. It’s all private and it’s more affordable because we don’t have all those hands in that pot. Of course, sign up for our monthly e-news at the top of our website. And by the way, our website is changing. The redesign is coming out imminently. So it will look different the next time your people come there, but the signup is still there and I’d encouraging them to go at

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay, excellent, Twila. In the last minute or two, you were talking about an insurance system where insurance pays you. Okay, I’m not going to go through that. That is one, it’s free market. It has worked, it does work. It rewards independent decisions, all of those things. Now, is that the same thing and differentiate if it’s not between what you’re attempting to put together, the alliances of physicians and all, you call The Wedge, make the distinction or compare contrast.

Twila Brase:                       Yes. So a parallel system that really is just like homeschooling. The homeschoolers got this whole parallel system going on. That’s what has to happen with healthcare. And we’ll bring patients and doctors over from the corporate system and bring them over as they all want to come over to the cash based system where they have freedom, affordability, confidentiality, the right to treat patients the way they want to, all of that. They are together. So The Wedge of Health Freedom at, That Wedge is our foundation for building the new parallel system for health freedom. And eventually we want hospitals on there, cash based hospitals. This is how it used to be. Not rocket scientist. This is how it can be done again.

Sam Rohrer:                      Okay. And that’s a very good thing. Just you’re probably inclined, I don’t want you to overly exaggerate, but how is it actually going? Are you honestly satisfied? I would like to see it go faster, I am sure, but are you happy with the direction and the growth of this effort?

Twila Brase:                       So I too would like to see it go faster. And we have some marketing things that will soon be coming out for it. There are a lot of doctors that just don’t know. So your listeners, if you know doctors and they want patients, there are patients trying to find this kind of a doctor and they can’t all be found on our Wedge because they all haven’t signed up yet. We don’t need them all to sign up, but we know this is where patients are looking. So they’re all around the country. There’s actually four cash-based pharmacies now and cash-based dentists. We heard from somebody, I think it was in Pennsylvania, a 75-year-old who said, “Thank you so much. I found a dentist and a doctor on The Wedge.”We love to hear those kinds of stories. We know this is what people want. This person’s on Medicare, but she wants a doctor in her corner.

Sam Rohrer:                      Absolutely. And ladies and gentlemen, you want those things. So Twila Brase, thanks so much for being with me today. We covered a lot of ground. Hopefully, it gave a good balance to what’s actually happening out there and ladies and gentlemen, for you and I to know of some things that can be done. Ultimately it comes down to this, think biblically. A biblical worldview will help to decide and choose between that which is true and that which is counterfeit. And then we must act upon it. Do not go along with that which is false and unconstitutional and immoral, choose the truth, that simple thing that we can all do.