General Theme: Beware: The U.N. ‘Plan of Action’: Promise Peace – Control Speech
June 24, 2024
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Leo Hohmann
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program originally aired on June 24, 2024. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer: Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today. And believe it or not, the beginning of the last week of this fast moving month of June. I don’t know about you, but it seems to have gone by fast for me. But anyway, today my special returning guest is a friend of mine and friend of all of you who are listening regularly, not stand in the gap today, participant on at least monthly, Leo Hohmann, author, researcher, and independent investigative journalist. Now, today we’re going to engage an issue of importance to us all listening will be impacted, but I’m going to talk about today and the subject happens to be of Leo’s latest article that broke just last night. So it’s very current. Stay with us and we’ll get into that in just a couple of minutes. But first, I trust that all of you had a refreshing weekend because for so many people, and I don’t know whether you’re watching and listening, there’s so much information going around, but around this country over the last few days, there have been a lot of people who are suffering great harm from unrelenting impacts.
Sam Rohrer: It seems of adverse weather so far this year to this point right now, there are 11 natural disasters, weather related in the United States already 11 on record for a record breaking year where the cost has been over a billion dollars in damage for each of them, 11 of them. It’s amazing. Now, for example, over the weekend, states of emergency were called by the governors of Iowa and stuff, Dakota due to what extraordinary flooding the spokespeople from them. I heard this morning saying it may take six months or more to repair the damage. So if you’re listening from these states, we pray for God’s help for you because there is a real need. Then last week, if you don’t know, governor of Florida declared a state of emergency due to historic flooding in South Florida. But in reality between storms, tornadoes or drought 2024, as I’ve said, 11, record setting type things have already happened.
Sam Rohrer: So I would encourage all of us to pray for the millions of people across our nation who have suffered minor to extreme harm with enormous ongoing needs. And it’s easy to overlook these things when it’s not you or me, but when somebody’s touched, it’s a need. And we should pray for all of these people that God would not only meet their need, but those who know the Lord in particular, that through these circumstances they would let their light shine. So I would ask that you would pray for that. But in a larger sense, these incredible weather impacts are not only here in Europe but may not only here, but they’re in Europe, middle East, China over the weekend, major flooding Australia for months. So there’s a much larger story at play I think, which is what God is speaking. I think he is speaking, but very, very, very few people, I think even professing Christians, am I seeing even an attitude of saying, is God speaking to us with any kind of a sense of repentance or an intentional returning to God of which we speak so regularly on this program, but I’m going to deal with that issue in a greater way in a future program.
Sam Rohrer: So I’m going to put that off for now. But other headlines of significance or from all over the world, the things are happening from economics to finance to whatever, and I’m going to skip over those for right now and go to the one for today that deals with an item that touches all of us, and that’s a matter of speech, our ability to speak and speak freely. The first real experience with controlled or punished speech, as I’m going to say it in our nation, came as a result of the Covid pandemic declaration of 2020. Did it not? That’s when we really saw it draconian silenced speech. And frankly that never went away. It is kind of morphed and I think there’s a reason to believe that it’s coming back in a greater way, much higher level this time, though not by private though controlled media, but by government mandate linked to actual government empowered enforcement. So the theme I’ve chosen for today is this, beware the United Nations plan of action, promise, peace, control the speech. And with that, I welcome Leo to the pro Leo, thanks for being with me.
Leo Hohmann: Yeah, thanks for having me, Sam.
Sam Rohrer: Leo, you just finished an article after you came back from vacation. Glad you got away, but you didn’t stay away too long. I know that. So you’re back in action, but the title you put on your article UN has plan of action to curtail free speech in every nation of the world. So I did a lot of reading in regard to what you put out in the UN press release itself. But that being said, given overview of this UN plan of action as you’re writing about it as we’ll get more into detail and in brief, why did you decide to write about it?
Leo Hohmann: I decided to write about it, Sam, because it’s coming at us from more than one angle and from more than just the United Nations. This was a large portion of what the World Health Organization was discussing at its annual World Health Assembly in Geneva a few weeks ago, back in late May where they talked about countering disinformation and the importance of that moving forward into the post covid era and how this disinformation was very, very dangerous and had to be confronted and combated. They use that word combated. They’re very fond of that word, and I don’t think it’s by accident they repeat it over and over. When somebody is in combat with me, I think I should take notice and the United Nations, the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, and the governments of the world, let’s face it, because they’re the ones who really make up these international bodies.
Leo Hohmann: They’re all in open combat with we the people in that they’re trying to regulate and force and coerce a new way of life. They want to tell us what we should be able to put in our bodies in terms of what we eat and what medicines we inject into our veins. Now they’re saying they want to tell us what is considered kosher to speak about and to write about, and if we hold any opinions, and this is what they mean by hate speech, this is a very relative term because when you think about it, hate is nothing but an emotion. And one person’s hate is not necessarily another person’s hate. So it’s also not just relative, it’s very subjective. And so they are setting themselves up here, the United Nations as the arbiters of what should be considered hateful speech. So what emotions are being communicated because that’s what hate is that we don’t like and we think are dangerous to this new world order that we’re trying to set up. And if you just read directly from their words, they say that in response to the alarming trends of growing xenophobia, racism and intolerance, violent misogyny, antisemitism, anti-Muslim hatred around the world, notice the one thing that’s missing there. anti-Christian hatred,
Sam Rohrer: Right? Yes, it is. And just hold it right there, Leo, you laid it out. Ladies and gentlemen, that is at the heart. You’ll find as we go through here, what Leo said, we’re going to build out, I’m going to read some portions from their materials. Leo’s going to comment, but the one item, the one group, the one entity that is not a protected entity, it’s Christian. So you’ll note that stay with us. We’ll be right back in just a moment. Well, if you’re just joining me today, thanks for being on board. Leo Hohmann is my guest today, and our theme is this, beware the UN Plan of Action, promise, peace, control Speech, and on Leo’s site, Leo Holman, that’s two ends on that name, Leo Homan, H-O-H-M-A-N n.com will be this most recent article that you can find in greater detail. And actually probably the last six months or whatever are on there at least.
Sam Rohrer: So a lot of articles, and I just put that before you so you can go there. Now, in the June 17 United Nations prepared statement of which Leo’s comments came out of at least a part of that, the second paragraph, they state this and listen to this hate speech today targets a broad range of groups, often based on grounds of race, ethnicity, religion, belief, or political affiliation. Recent months have seen an upsurge in both anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim hate speech online and in public comments by influential leaders hate speech they go on to say may be used against women, refugees, migrants, gender diverse and trans people, and minorities. Their words continue. It is massively amplified by the power of digital platforms and tools that enable it to spread across borders and cultures. Then they go on and they say, states, governments have an obligation under international law to prevent and combat.
Sam Rohrer: Leo just commented on that word, last segment, to combat incitement to hatred and to promote diversity, mutual understanding and solidarity, they must step up and implement these commitments while ensuring that the measures that they take preserve freedom of speech and protect minorities and other communities. Alright, now Leo, I know our listeners, they’d listen to that portions of that they would say, yeah, part of that’s true, true, true. Oh, then lots of red flags come up into it. But you comment on this un language and I like for you to identify if you could, what you started talking about hate speech, but let’s define some of those terms. What does the UN mean by hate speech?
Leo Hohmann: Yeah, I think if they were honest, they would come right out and tell us. But as you can tell from that verbiage that you just read, it’s very vague. They do point out some broad parameters, sexual minorities, ethnic minorities, refugees, racial minorities. And so anything that we say apparently with regard to any of those protected classes of people, we’d better stay on our toes and be very careful to make sure that it does not offend. Okay, herein lies the rub, and we get an idea here of how they are defining this term hate speech. If you’re part of one of these protected classes, there are no limits on your speech as to what you can say about those who were not named in that paragraph. I guess we could say Caucasian people, indigenous Caucasian people especially who are not refugees or immigrants, they are citizens of their native country.
Leo Hohmann: They were born there, they grew up there. Anything can be said about those folks. Christians, we spoke in the earlier segment how they defined antisemitism and anti-Muslim hatred is things that were not to be tolerated and must be combated, but they didn’t mention anything about anti-Christian bigotry. So there’s another parameter that’s been set. This is hate speech. If you say anything that’s outside of the United Nations narrative, the globalist narrative about Jewish people, Muslim people, although it seems like they’re easing up on what’s allowed in terms of antisemitism and saying things against Jewish people, even though it’s still here, at least they’re mentioned. Christianity does not even get a brief mention Sam. And so this should put us all on alert that there’s an alternative agenda here. Then what just sounds so good because in one way you could agree with everything you just read, that we shouldn’t be hateful, we shouldn’t say things against these particular groups, but what about the other groups that shows us that it’s not really about be nice to one another, which could be kind to one another. That’s a biblical concept. That’s not what they’re talking about here. It is a clear agenda.
Sam Rohrer: Absolutely, and I think our listeners are aware of that, what you said. That’s very good. The plan of action that we’ll talk a bit more about because it’s referred to you, referred to it in your document, there are a couple of key words. Lemme pull out a couple of those and asked for your thoughts on it because to me they stood out because they actually in their state, there are two things that they wish that they want to put mandates on nations and nations leaders. One is to prevent and combat something. Talked a little bit about that. The other is to promote something. Now listen to this ladies and gentlemen. This is from their document. This the UN document. It says this, states governments have an obligation under international law to prevent keyword, I think and combat. Leo said that’s a very key word to do what? Incitement. To prevent and combat incitement to hatred and here and now shifts and then to promote diversity, mutual understanding and solidarity. Okay, now Leo, here’s the case. How do you interpret what red flags go up in your mind relative to those words? They’re strong words, obligation under international law would be one. And then secondly, how would a government actually prevent, let alone combat speech that they define as hate speech? To me, those are loaded words.
Leo Hohmann: Yeah, they sure are. By talking about an obligation under international law, what are they doing here? They’re setting up themselves, the United Nations and the whole global structure that comes along with it as superior to any national laws or national constitutions because none of this language that we’re reading here from them jbe with the US Constitution, the US Constitution is very clear and very plain about protecting everybody’s freedom of speech, not just certain segments of society which they’re doing here and which I just discussed previously. So they’re saying we are a extra national body, meaning we have oversight over all the nations. We’re coming out with these guidelines, we’re working on some principles that will go even further, some action items on how to combat all of this. And then they talk about preventing and promoting. Now when I hear prevention or preventing, I think of laws and so they’re calling on the nations here to pass new laws against hate speech.
Leo Hohmann: We’ve already had many laws passed over the last decade or two on hate crimes. Many states have hate crimes laws. There’s no federal hate crime law in the United States, but many states do have it. Many other countries have that. This is taking it to the natural next step. We already have hate crimes, now we’re going to think about hate speech. And now we’re getting into the area of what thought crime hate crimes are bad enough because if I murder someone, that’s a crime in and of itself, but they’re saying if there was some other hatred component to it against a certain religious or sexual minority or ethnic minority, then they’re going to tack on a hate crime on top of the murder charge. I don’t know that that’s necessary since you already can go to jail or prison for life if you murder someone. But they’re doing that with hate crimes.
Leo Hohmann: That’s one thing because it involves an action when they’re talking about hate speech, now they’re talking about thoughts. Now we’re getting into the realm of thought crimes. And so that’s what I think of when I hear prevention. They’re going to prevent me from thinking anything that they consider hateful according to their established narratives. And then we talk about the word promote. They want the nations to promote this anti hate speech program. And when I think about promote, then I think of that to me is code for another P word propaganda. They’re going to propaganda the population to especially the young people as I think you want to get into maybe a little bit later in this conversation, to make them get on board, get along with the Propagandized mission for this new world order.
Sam Rohrer: And Leo, that’s a great phraseology there to prevent, to promote clearly involves propagandize. And ladies and gentlemen, I just throw this out, I’m not going to go into detail, but if you all recall back under the Obama administration, things were put actually into law and the justice Department where there are actually efforts there already in our system where they believe that they can actually predict who will do certain crimes. That’s the exact part that Leo’s talking about. Prevent, how can you prevent an action? Well, these guys actually believe, and there are structures already in law that’s not totally acted upon yet that they can actually well because they know what you think, they know what you will do. Now as believers, we know God knows what we think, but they think they know what we think and to a large extent, they do know what we think how because they’re monitoring everything that we say on digital platforms and everything else.
Sam Rohrer: They know a whole lot more than we think. So yes, these are loaded words. This is a current document and these guys are on a fast track. This is not something that they just talked years ago about they might want to do. It’s something that they’re in the home stretch thinking that they are about to do. We’ll be right back. Well, welcome back. And again, if you’re just joining us, our theme, beware the United Nations Plan of Action Promise Peace. We haven’t gotten to that part yet. We will in this segment control speech, we’ve been talking about that and we’ll build that out more special guest, Leo Homan, and he just wrote an article on this release. June 17 is when they came out with it and it’s extraordinarily significant, but lemme go ahead on it and just read a little bit more here and then Leo and I will converse further.
Sam Rohrer: They say this according to the June 17, this particular most recent prepared statements, the UN sends out, by the way, prepared statements generally every month of some type. But this one was read by UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres just prior to the United Nations designated June 18th. Did you know that this was the day they had set aside June 18th International Day for countering hate speech? I didn’t know that day existed, but they obviously did. That’s why this was combined in this way. But then the opening paragraph, they say this hate speech is a marker of discrimination, abuse, violence, conflict, and even crimes against humanity. We’ve seen this play out from Nazi to Rwanda to Bosnia and beyond. There is no acceptable level of hate speech. We must all work to eradicate it completely. And by the way, what I just read, again, we would agree with a lot of that biblically, we know from the book of James that talks to us that our tongue is an unruly member.
Sam Rohrer: It sets on fire the whole world, right? So yes, our words are important and hateful speech as defined by God is sin and it can do a lot of destruction, but hateful words, ladies and gentlemen, can be couched in good terms just like the United Nations folks. A lot of it sounds good, but it’s not. It’s the exact opposite. So that going on, they say now, as young people are often most affected by hate speech, particularly online, young people must be part of the solution. Now, think about that. Now, the participation of young people, particularly girls and young women, listen to these groups of people, young people, particularly girls and young women, indigenous youth, young people from minority communities, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer youth and young people with disabilities. They are saying it’s crucial that these people are involved to create public and online spaces free from hate speech.
Sam Rohrer: And then they go on, they have a solution. Governments, local authorities, religious, corporate, and community leaders have a duty to invest in the measures to promote what we just talked about in the last segment, to promote tolerance, diversity and inclusivity, and to challenge hate speech in all of its forms. Alright, Leo, there’s an awful lot in there. We could talk a long time about that, but the UN is seeking, I’m looking at this to justify their draconian actions because what you’re calling for is global, as you said in your title. Basically all nations global control, they want to give them the power of government, as you said, from centralized global government. They want to empower all the governments of the world to protect our young people. They say here, that sounds like a nice thing. And again, they say this appears to be their concern for young people who are most affected, particularly online. Alright, so they state that these young people must be part of the solution. Alright, there’s a lot of things that jump out to me. Could you comment on why young people are cited and specifically the ones who are identified?
Leo Hohmann: Yeah. What’s happening here is the epitome of demonic deception, satanic deception, in my opinion, Sam, and I’ll try to explain why I think that because what they’re saying has an element of truth. There is a nugget there that is true, and you alluded to it, hatred is wrong. Jesus said, if you just think in your heart a certain thing against a certain person, it’s as good as murdering him in the eyes of Jesus and the Lord. And words are powerful as you said. They do have the power to condemn and to hurt, and so that much we know is true and biblical, where the deception comes in is that it’s actually twisted around here in the eyes of the un because what Jesus would tell us is evil, they are saying is good. And if we as Christians point out this evil, not in any insightful way, but even in a loving Christian way, we just, I’ll give an example.
Leo Hohmann: In the UK recently, a man was arrested for reading a Bible verse on the city streets that had to do with homosexuality. That was considered hate speech. He was not saying anything hateful against homosexuals. He was not saying they should be arrested, they should be tortured that we should do anything violent or cause them any harm. He was simply reading straight out of the Bible, a biblical truth in terms of how God sees homosexuality. It is a sin in the eyes of the un. You have now crossed a sacred line and you are committing hate speech. And so you can see how they use a kernel of truth to rope us in and say, oh, that sounds good. That sounds lofty and wonderful. But then they don’t tell you the whole story again. It’s what they don’t say. It’s who you are allowed to speak violently or aggressively against as opposed to who you are not.
Leo Hohmann: They flip it around, they twist it. It is actually the inversion of biblical truth and they’re saying that it’s okay to, in fact, you must celebrate when they say promote. You must celebrate this certain lifestyle over here, whether it be L-G-B-T-Q or vaccines or certain election outcomes. If you talk in any way point out any truth about those issues, that goes against the false narratives being organized and fomented by these globalist elites. Now you’re in dangerous territory. You’ve committed not just a hate speech crime, a thought crime, you haven’t done anything violent, but you’re thinking it and you’re exactly right about social media. They even mention a all of society approach to this hate speech program that they’re unleashing on us and they talk about corralling in every, the pastors, the civil society organizations, the media. This is directly from their words here, media outlets, tech companies, and social media platforms. That’s from the UN document. So they’re setting us up here, Sam, for something that is the opposite of what they’re trying to make it sound
Sam Rohrer: Like. Absolutely. Leo and I want to take and read back, this was in April, so it would preceded the June document that they just released. We’re talking about, there were representatives, ladies and gentlemen, from the various countries of the world. They’re always there. They’re making comments. Here is one from Argentina and talking about this control thing and what Leo just said talking about, and their whole emphasis is we must ensure a quality of basically definition and all of that. And here is what this individual said. It’s in the record. They’re building things around it. He said, however, even though the UN is putting together this global body of integrity that they’re calling it, which is obviously built on lives, he says this, human supervision is essential to guarantee the quality in political and cultural and social sensitivity in content creation and its translation. It’s through this combination of technology with a human super vision that we can achieve an optimal balance between quality and efficiency.
Sam Rohrer: And what they’re talking about is the utilization of AI to basically use AI to keep people preventing you and me and other people from spreading their definition of hatred, inciting what they determined to be discrimination and for them alone through the help of AI and technology and the UN body to make and be the entity, the sole determiner of what is acceptable or what is not. Now the mere thought that this is now in writing in print, this wouldn’t have happened five years ago, certainly not 10 years ago. The ability to have AI integrated within global communications, and as we’ve talked about with AI and how it’s put together, it’s never ever happened that way before, but now you actually can and they’re calling for it. It’s a part of what the UN’s seeking to do, that ability to link the technology with their definition of what is right or wrong and to empower all the governments of the world based, not empower them, force them somehow to implement their desires.
Sam Rohrer: If your biblical prophecy does not running through your mind, you need to wake up. This is what we’re watching unfold. We’ll be back in just a moment. Well, as we go into the final segment here. Now, Leo, I didn’t do one thing. I didn’t get it in my last segment, ladies and gentlemen, the UN we’re talking about, if you’ve been listening, you get the picture. A lot of it sounds good, it’s evil. Everything’s turned upside down. So very obvious and apparent, but the justification of controlling speech under the guise of preventing hate speech and all of that is involved in which we talked the last segment I talked, they basically give an emphasis that, well, if you can prevent hate speech, you can prevent war effectively to a point. That’s true. The second is they need to protect the young people. But then that was the last segment we talked about that which is a lie that is not true and gave the reasons.
Sam Rohrer: But the third one, and the reason I linked Leo, the idea to peace is because ladies and gentlemen, I went back and you actually can go on the UN website and look at it, but I looked at all of the headlines of the articles that they have distributed since the beginning of this year. All the official statements. I found something interesting and it just made me zero in on the idea of peace. January of 2024, the UN sent out a release that talked about the priorities for the Secretary General for 2024. So that’s the roadmap for the year. February seven, there was a title. In today’s Troubled World building peace is humanity’s greatest responsibility. So they start right out with peace. That’s part of their objective. That’s always been a little bit of the United Nations we know, but this is different. In February, another statement that they released was this.
Sam Rohrer: What people want most is peace with security and dignity. Who provides the security United Nations, the dignity? Well, it’s a part of what we’re talking about, their definition of what is speech and hate speech. Then on February 26th, another headline release they sent out bedrock of peace under Attack. When it gets down to the kind of things we’re talking about. Then on April 29, another one, amid Rise in false narratives, global Communications Department, ensuring information, integrity of UN’s work, and that’s we’re talking about today. That’s what they’re talking about is their plan of action. Then on April 30th, again, it says Global Communications Department, vital bridge between United Nations and international community. And then you get up to date with this release that came out on June 17th. Leo, I couldn’t help but ignore the fact that they’re saying, for the sake of peace, they are coming to the aid of people and this plan to control speech is their foremost item for 2024 implementation. It seems to me. What are your thoughts?
Leo Hohmann: Oh, 100% Sam. In fact, you see it in other organizations like the WHO World Health Organization, which has said that combating disinformation is their number one goal for 2024 and 20 moving ahead. And so yeah, the World Economic Forum headed by Klau Schwab and advised by people like Yuval Noah Harra, the great atheist historian and promoter of ai. He also talks a lot about disinformation and the need to controvert people’s free will and rely on AI to tell us what is right and what is wrong. And so yes, peace. They talk about the need for peace, and that sounds, again, very nice, flowery and wonderful thing. Who would be against peace, right? But I guess the real question, the critical question is peace under whose terms. Every piece has terms that come along with it. And so they, again, just like they want to be the arbiter of what is hateful speech and what is acceptable speech, they are also setting themselves up as the God of peace.
Leo Hohmann: They’re the god of truth, right? We’ve already discussed that in the previous segment where they’re setting themselves up as the God of truth. They’re going to define, they’re going to outline and set the parameters of what is acceptable to come out of people’s mouths. And we’ve already seen how it is often opposite of what the Bible says is acceptable. And now they’re talking about war and peace. They talk about peace, and yet these same globalists are out there, fomenting wars, wars in the Ukraine, provoking attacks from a neighboring country, Russia war in the Middle East War, potentially in the far East with China and Taiwan and North Korea, South Korea. So there’s not a lot of peace going on in the world, but they say that they are the ones that we’re supposed to trust to set the terms for the peace going forward under their definition. Again, it’s all about the definition of terms here. Until we recognize the power of language and how it’s used to deceive us by satanic elements, we’ll always be deceived.
Sam Rohrer: And ladies and gentlemen, there’s so much more that we could say, but I’m hoping that we paint a picture here to say that the mechanism, the process, the earthly powers, government, the United Nations, the governments of the world, those who are, well, Psalm chapter two talks about those leaders of the world who lift their fists against the God of heaven. Isn’t all of this we’re talking about defining that it is a hundred percent and they are leading toward, they’re pushing towards a defying of the God of heaven by ultimately saying, we are God, we don’t need you, the God of heaven. And they turn as that group says, against God’s anointed. Who are God’s anointed? What’s Christians? We are chosen of God. So is Israel and so is Jesus Christ. Those are three that are chosen of God. That’s what Psalm two talks about. Who is not identified in here? Christians, God’s chosen people who clearly is not even referenced as the determiner and definer of truth, God, Jesus Christ. Is that by accident? Not at all. Leo, you only have a minute and a half left, but this is a lot of information, a lot to process. How are you dealing with this in your mind when you see these things and write it and put it together? For our listeners who are listening, how do they work with us?
Leo Hohmann: Well, I just think it should emphasize one thing. Make sure we stay grounded in the biblical word of God, because the deception out there right now, Sam is so thick and so all encompassing and coming at us from so many different angles that it will truly be, we will truly be left defenseless against it if we are not armed with the word of God. And Jesus warned us about this very thing in Matthew 24 when he talked about the end days. He said it would be marked by persecution against the followers of him, Christ, followers, and also great deception at the same time, satanic elements deceiving the world.
Sam Rohrer: Alright, Leo, and I think that is a great way to go. Ladies and gentlemen. Again, we don’t share these things on this program. Headline news to by any means scare. But as we’ve talked about so many times, knowing the scripture, particularly what scripture says about prophecy, is never there from God’s perspective to scare us, but to prepare us. God doesn’t give us a spirit of fear. Don’t walk away from this awareness today saying, oh no, what are we going to do? No, walk away saying What God has said is coming about what incredible days. And as Leo said, make sure our feet are anchored in truth, biblically starting with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and then a dedication to fear God and keep His commandments. If that’s the case, you’re as ready as God needs us to be. And with that, thanks for being with us today. Leo Hohmann has, again website, leo hohmann.com for this article today, which he wrote and so many more. And then again, our website, stand in the gap, radio.com.
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