Ask Sam – Can We Have National Morality & Unity?

Ask Sam – Can We Have National Morality & Unity?

July 19, 2024

Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett

Co-host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/19/24. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer:         While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Isaac Crockett:   Welcome to the program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett. I’m the pastor at East Lawrence Baptist Church up on the borderline of Pennsylvania and New York State, and I’m one of the co-hosts on this program. My fellow co-host, who’s the regular host of the Stand of the Gap program is the Honorable Sam Rohr, the president of the American Pastor’s Network. And Sam, we’ve got so much has gone on this week ever since Saturday, but then there’s the Republican National Convention going on. Donald Trump slated to speak tonight. Sam, thank you so much for being on with me and I think, I hope you’re excited about our program today.

Sam Rohrer:       Well, Isaac, I am because these are really momentous days. I don’t remember a week well like this obviously precipitated by the attempt on the president’s life last Saturday night that’s changed everything. And so you’ve got a lot of different things happening, going different directions, so much speculation, so much that is not true. So much hopeful anticipation on the part of many. And then you’ve got the convention this week and the president changing the thrust of his speech because of what happened on Saturday night. So yeah, there’s a lot of things happening. There really are.

Isaac Crockett:   Well, and we want to focus on not the sensational and not the subjective or well, I think we just want to focus on truth and bring this back to biblical truth, but not let this opportunity pass. Seeing what’s going on. Everything is of God’s providential hand and his care for us and his judgment of us. And so we want to look at this. And Sam, I think what we’re seeing when we look at the Republican National Convention as it’s been unfolding this week and the pushback to it, the changes that have been made and things, speakers to it, everything we see that both Republicans and Democrats and everybody in between, they have their own views on morality and they stand very strong on their views of morality. We also see that there is a push right now saying we need to dampen the rhetoric and we need to increase the unity.

Isaac Crockett:   We’re the United States of America. And so I want to dig into that with you on this program. But right now, in the meantime, I do want to kind of go back to where this week started with the assassination attempt. And I want to at our church, and I’d be curious what our listeners, if you’re listening right now or even later, but especially if you’re listening today on Friday, we’d love to get you to give us some feedback through Facebook, Twitter, email, whatever. Go to the American Pastor’s Network or stand in the Gap media. Love to hear from you if you’re a pastor or just what your pastor did, how you responded to an event like this, and maybe other things too, maybe mass shootings or nine 11 or different things like that. How does your church respond on Sunday to those things that happen? Sam, I can say that our prayer time that we have before our morning service where I pastor, we normally pray for authority.

Isaac Crockett:   In fact, we were slated to pray for the president and vice president that morning, but I took out our normal prayer sheet and we just prayed for our nation. We prayed for Donald Trump, we prayed for the family of those Corey who had been killed and others who had been hurt and for our nation, the children, watching this graphic, literally a bloody image over and over and over. And we prayed for our nation. We prayed for Donald Trump to have an opportunity to truly repent of his sins get saved and to show it publicly during this week perhaps or sometime soon. Just a lot of things going on. We prayed for those in authority one Timothy chapter two, we prayed Psalm 91, we looked at our refuge that we are hidden under the wings, we find refuge under the wings of God. And then we brought that into our morning service as well, opened up with that. And again, prayer throughout all of this. But you talked about this also on Monday, and maybe you could give us a little bit of a synopsis of some of the impact and opportunity that this provides when something like that happens in our nation.

Sam Rohrer:       Well, I can, Isaac and I started out by what we talk about a lot here, biblical worldview for a believer, looking at an event like that happened on Saturday night. But as we talk about regularly, any event, what’s happening in the Middle East with Israel and Hezbollah and Iran and all of that, or Russia and Ukraine, any, all of these events, we say a biblical worldview, looking at it through the lens of S makes all the difference and how we both analyze it, evaluate whatever it is, and then make our decisions about how to respond. And as George Barn has been with us so much and we talk about it again, he’s made very, very clear. And we agree there are two ways of looking at life generally through the lens of a biblical world of view where God is center and foremost and God’s word is then late brought to bear or anything else.

Sam Rohrer:       So if it’s not God directed and centered, then it’s anything else and they lead to two totally different conclusions. Second thing is this, that when events of the type happen, like on Saturday night, they clearly are out of the normal. They are incredible, they’re shocking. And I’m going to put it in the same kind of comparison as perhaps nine 11. Alright, people remember when it happened, those who were alive at that point, and most can remember where they were when that happened. And we can also recall how people reacted. Some responded, some reacted to that. And I’m going to say the same things here. So I view these things and I think from God’s perspective, we should view these kinds of events, the spectacular events as teachable moments and ask the question, God, from your perspective, how should we respond to this? If we were called back to nine 11, how did the people respond?

Sam Rohrer:       Well, the nation responded with fear, a reaction of, oh no. And I think there were two questions that were asked. One of them was, and people, because people, we immediately went back to church. The churches were full for a little while and that was God, you were involved in this clearly. So there was recognition that there God was involved. But then the question was, have we sinned God as something? Have we done something to warrant this? Well, that’s a logical question. The next question was can we ever feel safe again in America? Americans have had an unusual security given by God. We know the Bible talks about, but we’ve come to think that security comes by the hand of government, our military or whatever. Well, that was questioned at 911. And of course what came out of that was people went and ended up trusting in government because government immediately stepped in and said, we can correct this matter.

Sam Rohrer:       We can guarantee it won’t happen. And that was the Bush war on terror, which goes on to this point. Patriot act was passed liberties, constitutional freedoms were given up in exchange for government saying, we will take care of you. And people didn’t go back to church anymore. And of course we know that now. That was the response. We didn’t learn. We did not learn as a nation from that. Well, here comes this. Alright, well, that event on Saturday night caught people’s attention. The implications we don’t know, still haven’t it’s come to conclusion, but the response should be the same thing. People generally, God you let this happen, a leader that many people like many people don’t like, but an individual had his life almost taken and it would appear by all evidences that God, you put your finger down there between his head in that bullet and you preserved him. So now God’s back in the picture for a minute, Isaac, the question is, will we go back to him and repent and fall on our knees or will we just say that, well, there’s a supernatural event that happened but not make it personal.

Isaac Crockett:   So interesting, Paul told Timothy and first Timothy too, as we pray for those in authority, it’s so that we can live a quiet peaceable life with godliness and holiness. So God’s protection and us living, seeking first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, a holy, peaceful life, they come together. We want to talk about this and much, much more on stand in the gap today. We’ll be right back. Well welcome back to the program. I’m Isaac Crockett here with Sam Rohr and we are asking Sam questions. This is one of our Friday editions. Ask Sam. And as we were talking to Sam today about looking at his opinion, his observations of what we see, especially on a week like this week, so full of news, starting really on Saturday with the assassination attempt of Trump and then going throughout the RNC this past week, their convention.

Isaac Crockett:   And I’m asking Sam, all sides are pointing out that they stand on the moral high ground for whatever purpose. This is what’s moral, this is what’s right. And then we see throughout the media and throughout our country a push and a hope for unity. That’s what people have been saying for you. Why can’t we have more unity? Why is there all this gridlock? Why is there partisan politics? Why is there this heightened rhetoric? And when something major, this happens, like an assassination attempt, it pushes us and hopefully, and Sam, you talked about this some with David new and different ones this week. We’ve been talking about this this week, but how that can give an opportunity. And so here we have Trump being shot right after that, many of his political enemies come out denouncing violence. Sam denouncing this hatred that’s going on, and they were saying things like, there’s no place for this sort of violence in America.

Isaac Crockett:   In fact, Joe Biden said those exact words, there’s no place in America for this kind of violence or any violence. Again, Biden being kind of his arch political foe for the moment, and that could be changing. He says, I’m grateful to hear that he, that’s Donald Trump, that he’s safe and doing well. I’m praying for him and his family and for all those who were at the rally, again, how many of us were expecting to hear over the weekend, president Biden saying, I’m praying for President Trump and his family, but that all changed when he was shot. And so I was curious, Sam, when you start seeing these sort of responses from the far left, were you surprised at those responses? Were you surprised to hear Biden saying that when it’s been such a heated election year,

Sam Rohrer:       Isaac? I’m not. It’s purely political Now, why can I say that Prince on the part of Biden? Well, I’m glad, I’m grateful. Grateful to who? God. Well, no, there’s no manifestation of any acknowledgement on his part of the role of God in his life or policy. So that didn’t make any sense that he’s safe in doing well, it not make any sense either because not too long before he talked about putting a target on him and so that, no, that doesn’t make any sense either. I’m praying for him. Well, as a believer, we know that the prayers, prayers don’t mean anything. Anybody can pray to who that doesn’t mean anything.

Sam Rohrer:       So those are things that you say Isaac as a politician to create a narrative where it sounds like you are compassionate because politically to say, ah, I’m sorry that he survived would not be responded to. Well by even the coarsest of individual and therefore politically unwise. So for a moment in time you have to scale back as they’re calling, scale back the rhetoric, the harshness of words and show that you have some humanity, meaning a little bit of compassion. Now it’s interesting. I think it’s going to change. I think it’s already changing in the attitude of many and I think that the days ahead will tell, but I look back, Isaac and I say, did we just have a circumstance not too long ago where the same thing happened? Yeah, it’s October 7th when Hamas went after Israel for a couple of days. If you recall, nearly every nation in the world, even Russia and others said, well, this is not acceptable, but now they’re all condemning and it didn’t take long.

Sam Rohrer:       It didn’t take but a week and everything began to change and now that’s all forgotten. It’s all political, it’s narrative Isaac. And so I think that is what is happening, but there is a window of time here by which I think Americans, the world’s watching, but Americans can evaluate how we respond and what’s related to that. Now you mentioned also one other thing, moral high ground. It is interesting to me that both those who would be Christian, God-fearing conservatives, have generally always wanted the moral high ground and around the world, America has always maintained the moral high ground, not just a political high ground and a financial high ground, the military high ground, but the moral high ground transcends all of them. But the left, the God opposers, the murderers of the unborn, the designers of God’s definition of marriage, they claim also to have moral high ground. Why I think that’s kind of interesting when they don’t really agree that there is a God and don’t care what God says, they still want to claim that which God has established and that is the definer of morals, that which is right and wrong and still want to be able to claim they have some type of supernatural God support that God’s on their side. That hasn’t changed I think from the beginning of time, but we certainly are witnessing now as well.

Isaac Crockett:   So that’s a good, let’s go down that path real quick. Well, not real quick, but we don’t have a lot of time, but let’s go down that path because this idea that we are against violence. Violence has no place political violence and then they say violence at all, and we know that our statistics are showing lots of increases in violent crimes. Lots of also increases even in things like suicide and spousal abuse and child abuse. But our inner cities are some cases on fire. I mean it’s call it a dumpster fire sometimes it seems like a literal dumpster fire going on, and so our country is having violence from within, but they are condemning this very public act that ended up with the death of Corey Ator and others being wounded, including the president. But is that hypocrisy when people, for example, are pro-abortion, ripping apart a baby before it’s born? Is that hypocritical and can we as America, can we have true morality because everybody’s claiming their own morality, this kind of modern thing like, well, my morality, your morality, can we have true biblical or morals without biblical morals? Do we have to accept the Bible as our foundation or is there some other way around it?

Sam Rohrer:       Isaac, we cannot have agreement on that which is moral until we agree with the person, God, the source of that concept of good and evil and that which is moral in this country from the very beginning and around the world, but particularly we’re talking about America, that morality was the 10 Commandments. God gave those 10 commandments for civil society for the enactment of justice. That was the template, that was the definer, the standard for morality. So God, worship of God, idolatry, sexual purity, no adultery, murder, stealing, protection of property, greed, all of those kinds of things. All of those within the 10 Commandments were the basis for our law. It was that upon which we had to agree in this country in order for justice to occur. But when you throw that out and then you begin to interpret it on your own, then you see what we’ve seen the last many years, the weaponization of the Justice Department, courts making law, redefining God’s law of marriage of life and human sexuality and so many things.

Sam Rohrer:       There is a very high cost to the throwing out of God’s definition if we’re not agreed and unified on God’s definition of morality. Isaac, the only option left is immorality and evil, which is what we are seeing. So this is a great opportunity for this discussion to be held by our leaders and by our people to say, all right, let’s get back and redefine the terms. You call it violence. Well, based on what then? What’s that mean? What’s acceptable? How do you define that? Unless we go back to God’s word and God as the determiner, the author of truth, Isaac, there will not ever be an agreement.

Isaac Crockett:   We talked about this recently on just, was it last week maybe on this program that America, the founding of America was different than all the other countries in the new world because of the pilgrim forefathers that started with scripture and they looked and they said there’s a justice system. Justice was not done against Jesus. Justice was not done against the Hebrew children thrown into the furnace. Justice was not done in the case of Paul before the Roman courts. They had their own justice didn’t, and there has to be this moral justice, and we will talk about the unity part of it, hopefully next segment, but they started with justice. And so Sam, we just have a minute here, but that biblical justice or biblical decency, biblical morality, how is it that we seem to have had it at the founding of our nation and maybe are far from it now?

Sam Rohrer:       Well, Isaac, in very, very quick terms, it was there because our founders and William Penn in Pennsylvania laid it out probably the best. The preachers of the day preached it all the signers of the Declaration of Independence agreed to it fully. That was the 10 Commandments. God gave it. God created biblical worldview. Sin entered into the world. They knew the evil of man’s heart. Why you had to have the 10 Commandments and the people, they said, then the individuals and those who would be in office had to voluntarily submit themselves, voluntarily submit their actions and their choices to God’s standard. The 10 Commandments. They said very clearly that only then could you have this holy experiment and self-government survive. Only then could you have a just government with a predictable definition of justice and with a predictable outcome from the judges. That’s what they believed. It has not changed since the beginning, the time when God gave it and laid out the plan.

Isaac Crockett:   Well, we want to take another quick time out to hear from some of our partners. I hope you’ll listen to what we have and some other information. Sometimes even some of you can hear from Sam during our little breaks, but we’re going to come back and I want to look at this question. Are we able to see a return to unity in our country today? We’ll be right back on Standing the gap today. Back to the program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and I’m joined by the Honorable Sam Rohr and on this Friday edition, it’s an Ask Sam Stand in the Gap Today edition, and we’re asking Sam things about this week and what’s been going on, and especially the impact that this failed assassination attempt on Donald Trump had for us as a nation, what opportunities that opens up for us as Bible believing Christians. And we’ve been looking at overall this idea of a desire on many to see a strengthening of our national morality and decency as well as a strengthening of our national unity or having decency and unity again.

Isaac Crockett:   And so we’re kind of looking at is it even possible and what would it take to have that? And really ultimately what we’ve been coming up with so far is it takes a return to God, it takes a spiritual revival to happen. But before we go back into that with more questions for Sam about Unity, national unity, is it even a possibility at this point? I want to turn to a question for one of our behind the scenes people for our program producer, Tim Schneider. Tim, could you let us know some of the things, amazing opportunities that are going on behind the scenes maybe or on our websites and things like that for Stand the Gap Media and American Pastors Network?

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Isaac Crockett:   Well, thank you very much, Tim, Sam. So we’ve been looking at the morality question in our nation and we came basically up with that. We had a morality in the founding of our nation, especially our pilgrim forefathers. There were other nations in the Western hemisphere being founded from religions, even supposed Christian religions, but they didn’t really work because they weren’t filing scripture. So they looked at the indigenous people as how can we use them? How can we enslave them? How can we steal from them? They didn’t see them as made in the image of God. For example, even Jamestown didn’t have that. The pilgrims had even before they got off the boat into a more or less a barren part of the country that didn’t have all the golden things that the conquistadors were finding in the South. They came up with this Mayflower compact, but part of that was also a unity that they were looking for and wanting to have, and our nation has been seeing really a lot of division.

Isaac Crockett:   And so I think it was a surprise. I know in a lot of ways I was surprised when I saw Trump almost immediately after being shot. President Trump, here’s this assassination attempt and you would expect blaming or pointing fingers, and he was calling for unity, and that’s continued throughout this week. Then culminating here at the RNC with a call from him and others for unity and from other sides too. What do you think would be realistic for us at this point if we continue in our spiritual condition that our country is in? Realistically, what kind of unity can we expect?

Sam Rohrer:       Isaac, you and I have talked about this. I think this is a really critical question, and again, it’s been discussed this week and the conventions, there’s references in the platforms. Actually yesterday, David New and I actually compared and contrasted some changes in the 20 of 2016 Republican platform compared to the one that’s now that’s been adopted this week, and there were some very, very significant changes that were made. I’m not going to go there as much as this in the 2016, which is when Donald Trump first ran, there was a reference really at the beginning even of that platform where it talked about being unified around common principles, and that was actually pretty good. In this platform, there’s nothing actually written in the platform about unity. Now, here is the point I think as I think about it, we are witnessing a political activity work its way out.

Sam Rohrer:       This is what the convention is this week. The Democrats, if they have one, who knows what’s going to take place with them, occurs down here in August. They will go through a similar process. Politicians generally don’t think in terms of unity, Isaac as much as they think in terms of agreement, and I think there’s a difference. You need agreement. That’s the compromise system. That’s when you go in and sit down and work on a bill to get a vote. You try to seek agreement. You don’t have to have unity. But as believers, we know a mark of true Christianity is unity. Well, unity with what? Well, it’s unity with agreement with God about what he says is important, and then finding others who agree with God and therefore they agree with you.

Sam Rohrer:       That is only possible. Unity. Unity, really not agreement, but unity. I think Isaac is biblical unity and it’s only possible when we have a biblical worldview and we start with God as creator, us as a creation of God, us made as in the image of God, us born into a sinful state with a sinful heart, but which for which God has made the plan of salvation, redemption possible to restore us to relationship with God, which has to be on his terms, not ours and holy. Now, when we do that, Isaac, we are in unity. I think it’s not possible to have unity in the meaning of the word, particularly the biblical context, until the conversation that’s happening across this country starts out with God, the God of the Bible, truth. That is the truth of God’s word and agreement with that. Now, here’s one thought and then I’ll turn it back to you.

Sam Rohrer:       When God sent Israel into the land as a nation and the model for us and our founders picked it up and they identified with it, God said, there’s two things upon which you need to agree. One, that I am God, you fear me, and two to the best of your ability, you obey the standards and the commands that I have put up, and that starts with his definition of morality, which we just talked last segment. If those two things are done, fear God, keep his commandments, his definition of morality, then Isaac, I think that we can have unity. But I think to talk about T absent God, absent absolute truth, absent the Bible being afraid to talk about the Bible because that’s not politically correct, being afraid to talk about Jesus Christ, the son of God, God, the creator. Until we talk about those things that way, that publicly Isaac, we can only at best hope for temporary agreement. We cannot approach the unity that once was held in this country, particularly at the beginning when we started one our 56 signers signed that document.

Isaac Crockett:   Well, Sam, I love that distinction, the difference between unity and agreement and how you go about getting those. I know we don’t have a lot of time, but there was a poll taken last year by yougov.com and they found that the majority, over two thirds of Americans thought that there was more divisiveness, more division in our country now than normal. And even on our seal it says EPLs unum and our pledge, it’s under God, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and just where we more united when we had more of a fear of God.

Sam Rohrer:       The answer is absolutely yes, the war for independence. God blessed we came into being as a new nation. Holy experiment, talked about William Penn, the founders, they laid down the foundation. God honored it. The French were in a revolution at the same time, but they had no concern about God. They ended up in just rioting chaos. They wanted to find out, well, we’d know the story of de Tocqueville. The historian came here and he said, what made the difference here in America? How could they come together? How could they be victorious over the greatest, the strongest nation in the world? And he said, it wasn’t until I went into the churches of America and heard the preaching of God’s word flame from the pulpits. That was the common truth then that I understood the secret of America’s greatness. And that is America is good, great because America is righteous. That’s what he was talking about, that agreement on what is right, righteousness. That’s what De Tocqueville said. So it did exist at one point in our nation’s history. But Isaac, it is a fleeting dream for anybody out there right now, civilian, citizen or politician to ever say that we can make America great again until we understand that only God can make America great again and America can only be great again. When we view and agree with what God says makes a nation great,

Isaac Crockett:   Sam, we have that object lesson, that opportunity by seeing President Trump turn his head just a fraction of a different position, and this bullet intended for his skull barely nicks his ear, we have an opportunity to return to the Lord. Will we take it? We’re going to take another brief time out, come back and talk to Sam about returning to God individually and as a nation. Welcome back to our program. I’m Isaac Crockett. I’m joined by Sam Rohr. As we finish up this conversation we’ve been having asking Sam questions about some of the impacts that we’re seeing from what happened on Saturday night’s assassination attempt against President Donald Trump and President Biden’s reaction and others reactions to that. We’re really looking at the morality in unity that is so sought after in our nation right now. Is it attainable? And Sam, in the last segment, you said, really there’s a difference between true unity like the EPL unum, the kind of stuff that our nation was founded on by our pilgrim forefathers and Christian forefathers and just agreeing together to get stuff done in a more pragmatic way. And it would be great to see true morality, biblical morality, true unity in a changing way come into our nation. But unless we have a return to God, I don’t think we can see that. And that’s what we’ve been talking about this program. So Sam, you talk about this a lot. You’ve written on it, you’ve written a book on it, different things. What would it look like if America did as a whole return to God? What would we expect to see in our nation?

Sam Rohrer:       Well, Isaac, what we would see, and again, I’m going to go back to scripture, there’s a lot of books that people can cite and so forth, but I go very, very frequently to the book of Deuteronomy chapter 28. Actually on Monday of this week, I played a couple of excerpts from Pastor Jack Hibbs from Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, Pennsylvania. He actually had his entire congregation, a couple thousand people, three different services of about 6,000 altogether people. And they quoted, he read, and then they did responsibly and back and forth, the entire chapter of Deuteronomy chapter eight. I haven’t seen anybody do that for a long time. I thought, that’s really good, Jack to do that. The people read it because in that chapter that it is what’s applicable to America today that was written to Israel, but it’s written to all nations. And our founders went to that as a portion of the promise when they were considering can we raise up a new nation, this new world, is it possible that we could actually do what God says and see God promise and give to us what he promised to Israel?

Sam Rohrer:       And they said, yes, we can, because that’s what the word of God says. So they did that. But that’s why in that chapter, Isaac, it starts out with God is the one that raises up people and leaders in office and he puts them down. God raises up nations. God puts nations down, and God offers promises to any nation, any people who at some point in time might have an ability to be a part of a nation or to start a nation. Our founders were there to be able to begin this holy experiment. So they did that. And that’s where God says, you fear me and you keep my commandments and I will give you all the blessings. In first 14 verses of that chapter lays out all the blessings from health to many children, to security from the enemy to a surplus of funds. They wouldn’t be indebted, they wouldn’t be in debt, and they wouldn’t be indebted to their enemies.

Sam Rohrer:       They wouldn’t have lawlessness on their streets. They would not live in fear. So security and safety, God said, I will give you, but he said, if you turn your back on me and you walk away from me and you redefine what I said to be important, and you think that what you got came from your hands instead of mine, I’m going to turn all of those upside down. And then he gives twice as many judgments or cursings so that now the people are getting sick, the families are falling apart, the food supply is becoming questionable, the weather is becoming harsh and unpredictable. Enemies within the open borders, a will arise. You will see the lawlessness on your streets. You will be threatened from enemies without you will no longer be the one who lends to other nations. You will be indebted to them. America, America, America, America.

Sam Rohrer:       And once when you were honored and respected around the world, you will be held in disdain. America, America, America. And that was the point. And that is the point. Now, Isaac, so what does God say? Well, what God says to any nation is I will send reminders to you along the way when you depart from me. Well, God has been reminding America for a long time. Nine 11 was a reminder, lost wars. We haven’t won a war since World War ii. Those are reminders. We’re in debt out our ears and our leaders are just continuing to spend as if they do not care and they seem not to care. God says, that is a mark of my judgment. Our people are sick, our families are falling apart. It doesn’t just accident. You can’t just blame it on the Democrats. You can’t blame it on the Republicans.

Sam Rohrer:       You blame it on people who say, well, we trust in government. Governments are our God. Safety comes from man, not from God, and we’ll just live our lives the way we want to. Isaac, this is the wake up call for where we are now and can we again come under the blessings of God? Well, this way, I don’t know, in God’s plan, God’s prophetical plan moving along America is not there as a major role. At some point in prophecy, we know that, but we don’t know if we’re at that time or not. But I do know this, if we do not return to God in our heart, in repentance and saying, oh Lord, we have sinned. We’ve walked down the path where we believed we were God, we have denied your hand and thought we did it all ourselves. Which exactly what the scripture says, what Israel did, unless we do that and come back to him, confess our sins.

Sam Rohrer:       Second Chronicles seven 14, humble ourselves, number one boy should a shooting, assassination attempt humble. That’s why I pray for the humility and the humbling of Donald Trump, but all of those around him and all of those in Congress, but all of us, every citizen, it starts there and it works its way up. It’s all around. But if we do humble ourselves and we pray to God with clean hands, repentant heart, and we say, here are sins. We’ve been involved in idolatry, we’ve been murdering the unborn, the shedding of innocent blood we’ve been involved in now are wholly owned by bribery and corruption, which is what God says in Ezekiel 22. Until we do those things, Isaac, there will be no blessing from God. Now here’s the point. Will God change the way the direction of his plan is going? I don’t know, but I do know this. I know that he will not change the hand of judgment unless we do those things. So that’s where we are. So we know, but God hasn’t changed. Mankind has got to come to the point where we say, God, it’s our fault. It’s not your fault.

Isaac Crockett:   Well, Sam, what can we do? Those of us who love God, those who have a biblical worldview, whether or not our national leaders or even our whole nation returns to God, what can we do personally for revival in our own lives? We don’t have a lot of time, but maybe you have time to say something about that and perhaps time to close this in prayer, but what can we do for ourselves personally and then hopefully making an impact on those around us?

Sam Rohrer:       I think Isaac, the first thing is if we stop saying if you and looking across the street or somebody else across the country, if they would just change the way they are, we would be better. And we have to start by looking in the mirror. That’s where God’s people, if the judgment comes first to the house of God, God says in Sec Rock seven 14, if my people who are called by my name, so if we say that we are Christians, that’s where it has to start. And Isaac, it’s when we, again, humble ourselves and do what God says. When we do that, not worrying what our neighbor does, not demanding of somebody else, that they change what they’re doing, but we admit that it’s us. It starts right in our own individual heart, and that’s what I tried to do on Monday. That’s how we’d look at these things.

Sam Rohrer:       We can look around and say, well, it’s somebody else’s fault, but no, we have to look around and look in the mirror and say, Lord, what am I doing? How have I responded? How have I fallen short? Lord, I repent for walking in my own strength for not praying, but it really starts Isaac. It starts with people looking and saying, Lord, do I have a relationship with you? Not talking about God, talking to God, not talking about am I a Christian, but actually saying, am I a born again son of God through faith in Jesus Christ? That’s where it starts. If that were to happen, Isaac, this country would change.

Isaac Crockett:   Amen. Well, thank you all for listening. Whether you were able to hear all of it or part of it, if you could, you haven’t heard all of it, you can go online and listen to all of it, but thank you for listening. Please pray for us here, and until next time, I pray that you will stand in the gap for truth wherever you are.