America’s Greatest Threats: China, ISIS, Russia, or?
Jan. 9, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Frank Gaffney
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 1/9/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Thursday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, this first week of January of this first year, not the first year, but this first month of what will be a momentous 2025, I do believe, first let me say how our heart goes out to all of those being directly affected by the devastating fires in Southern California. And I do ask that all those who are listening pray for those folks directly or indirectly affected. Here’s some facts that are of, it’s just an incredible thing what’s taking place. It really is, as of this morning, at least five people have lost their lives. Over 1100 homes or dwellings have been consumed and reduced to ashes. Three fires were burning yesterday, now it’s grown to fours of last night. And this number is a staggering thing. 0% containment, 0% containment, sustained winds 50 to 60 miles an hour, gusting to a hundred miles an hour.
The fires are still growing with little able to be done and this is important to understand, little able to be done primarily because of the DEI focused Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass who cut 17 and a half million dollars from the firefighting budget last year just ahead of the fire season. Politically correct policies emanating directly from Governor Newsom’s office, refusing to refill reservoir water levels have directly caused the fire hydrants to run dry, making it impossible for the budget constrained firefighters there to fight the fires. And then strangely enough, the major home insurers in California, including State Farm and Allstate according to Newsweek, unilaterally canceled large numbers of home insurance policies in the LA County with State Farm alone canceling according to Newsweek, 70,000 policies with vast numbers being upscale homes in the areas directly being consumed this week. The devastation is incredible. If you’ve seen the pictures, you’ll know that the fool hearty decisions of elected officials who demonstrate, this is my opinion now, this is not Newsweek, my opinion, who demonstrate no fear of God or understanding of duty and responsibility to protecting the lives and property of their citizens is producing once again predictable and costly consequences.
So I encourage again, all of you’re listening to be not only aware of this, you may know somebody’s involved in that, but as all Americans, we would look to God and consider our ways as we’re instructed to. And hey guy one verses five and seven and just let me read that, those two verses quickly before I bring in. My guest says there Haggai, the prophet said, now, therefore, thus sayeth the Lord of hosts, consider your ways speaking to the whole nation of Israel. At that point I say speak to America today. You have so much that you bring in little, you eat but you are not satisfied. You drink but you are not filled. You clothe yourself but you’re not warm and he that earn wages, earns wages so as to put into a bag with holes thus sayeth the Lord of hosts. Consider your ways and I cite that because it ties in with our theme here at APN and stand in the gap for this year and that is return to God.
That’s our greatest need of all things. Now with that being said, I want to shift gears to focus today’s program and explore a bit more deeply the fundamental issues that will affect America and the world in 2025, which we identified on Tuesday’s program with JR McGee Today, I’ve asked to join me, Frank Gaffney, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense and seven months also as acting Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs during the Reagan administration. Frank is also a veteran defense policy analyst and founder of the Center for Security Policy is now president of the Institute for the American future. He’s president and CEO also of save the persecuted Christians and host of Securing America. I’m entitled Today’s program, America’s Greatest Threats, China, ISIS, Russia, or question mark. You get the idea. Frank, welcome to the program. Thanks for being back with me.
Frank Gaffney:
It is a privilege to be with you. Happy New Year my friend.
Sam Rohrer:
Same to you, Frank. Over the years, America’s encountered enemies that are all over the board, many ideological in nature, atheistic, communism, Nazism, antichrist, Islam, all that kind of thing. And these enemies have arisen in natural contradiction to our basically once much more greatly Judeo-Christian underpinnings of this nation. Really a worldview battle without a doubt. And things have changed over the years with so many of our policymakers and educational institutions and all of that reflecting a worldview that is not what we began this country with all that, I’m just cutting it down because of time here. I want to ask you this based on these things from your studied experience, from a macro sense, would you identify our top three greatest threats to America today, our constitution, our way of life, and whether that be a nation that be an ideology or that be something else?
Frank Gaffney:
I think of it as three different forms of totalitarianism. They have different precepts I suppose, but the bottom line of all three is the same. And that would be they wish to rule the world to have all others subordinate to them, in fact enslaved by them or simply killed off by them. The three would be the Chinese Communist Party, their Maoist ideology if you will, globalists the World Economic Forum and the United Nations and the World Health Organization and the like. And I think you probably would describe their ideology as sort of fascistic and then you have what I call the sharia supremacists and their ideology is Sharia. It is the totalitarian, brutally repressive, well I think of it as kind of an operating code of authoritative Islam, not necessarily subscribed to by all Muslims to be sure, but the authorities of the faith described it as the true faith.
And the three have in common two things, as I say. One, they expect to be the people who will run the world in their respective modes and the other is they have to get rid of us in order to achieve that end state. They will work together and are right now Sam aggressively working together to take us out and then they will sort things out amongst themselves. My money is on that Chinese communist party at the moment, but who knows It’s going to be jump ball at that point. But for the moment we face three divergent and yet coordinated adversaries who seek nothing less than the destruction of our country.
Sam Rohrer:
And Frank, no one could have said it more succinctly than you. Ladies and gentlemen. Do we not talk about this on this program, these enemies, what do they all have in common? I’m going to say they are all anti-God. They are anti-biblical. They all want to be God and rule the world that work with each other for a while because right now the greatest impediment is our nation, but ultimately they will fight against each other. It’s the nature of evil. Want to come back but begin breaking them down a little bit? We’ll start with communist China. Well if you are just joining us today here at the beginning of the program, we introduced the program today, Frank Gaffney, president of the Institute for the American Future President of the Institute for the American Future is with me today. He’s been with me on the program before.
He was originally the founder of the Center for Security Policy and spent a number of years and during the Reagan administration a number of roles and I’ve known Frank for a long time and so it’s really a pleasure to have him back in this capacity today. The theme I’ve chosen is this America’s greatest threats, China, ISIS, Russia, and in the last segment, if you did not catch it, Frank said, the greatest threat to America is, I’m going to put it in different words, Frank, more of a enemies on three sides. The globalists, communist, Chinese and Sharia bent Islamists. All of them want the same thing. They want to dominate the world. They all have their own approach, but at the moment they all have a common direction and I’m going to suggest we are seeing them actually work well in tandem or overlapping at times, sometimes competing, sometimes overlapping because at this juncture they have a common enemy and the common enemy is the United States founded on a constitution, established on God’s definition of morality and a Judeo-Christian worldview.
So it’s a worldview fight that really underway, but take a different tack. I’m going to say that. So Frank, clarify if you want to add to what I just said, but lemme just start right into this. Let’s go to China, our greatest enemy nation at this juncture, and here’s the question why, and let’s go to this why not how they’re doing it right now, but why is China our greatest enemy at the standpoint as you would look at as you described it, and why are they doing what they are doing? What’s driving their ambition? You say they’re all want totalitarian goal of the world, but the motivation for doing so has got to be a little bit different. So what’s China’s motivation?
Frank Gaffney:
Well, if I may just to pick up on something you said at the tail end of the previous segment and sort of alluded to just now, but I think it really is important to put a fine point on it. We are involved in a spiritual war against these enemies. There is profound evil in each of their alternative systems. I think there’s profound good in a small measure because our system, our constitution, our republic is rooted in the Judeo-Christian traditions and values and civilization. So that brings me to your most immediate question. The Chinese Communist Party, which I think is evil incarnate, particularly under the leadership of mass murders like Ma the founder and like the current fellow emperor of communist China Xi Jinping, it is evil, not least because it seeks the destruction of this country and the subjugation of all others and its animus towards us is rooted in this idea that we stand in the way of the realization of their destiny.
The Chinese communist believe they have as did the emperors of China in the past, the mandate of heaven. They’re the center of the universe, the middle kingdom and all others are barbarians and they must submit and serve. So that’s what’s going on, Sam, and this is being manifested in a couple of very troubling things. One is something the Chinese communist called unrestricted warfare, which has literally involved just about everything they could think of to try to take us down short of the use of explosive kinetic violence, including by the way violence of a different kind, the murder of by some estimates as many as 250,000 mostly young Americans through their poisoning by fentanyl. Also, there’s the problem that they have been, I’d say guilty of biological warfare against us in the Covid 19 seen pandemic. So these are things that are sort of kinetic in their way but not explosive.
But other than those, it’s been economic warfare, it’s been political warfare, it’s been inflammation warfare. It’s been a kind of subversion of our culture and of our society. It’s a comprehensive and calculated effort to take us down without firing a shot if possible. And if that hasn’t ultimately proven possible in time because I think that Xi Jinping is under the gun, if you’ll forgive that expression, but I think that’s the case. He’s got incredible pressures on him to act and I think they will use military force against us as well as our friends and allies in order to accomplish their goal and possibly very very soon.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, so let me just naturally move right into this. Everybody’s been watching drones as an example. Some have said, well, they’re Iran’s drones, but Iran got the technology from China. Just talk about that. Are the usage of the drones and things that we are seeing a part of Chinese strategy and this unrestricted warfare, we know they’ve been cyber hacking our telecommunications, they hacked the US Treasury that was just a couple of weeks ago, so they’re very active. Are we witnessing a preparatory move or are we witnessing something from your perspective where they would be more likely ready to pull the trigger as you say?
Frank Gaffney:
Yeah, it’s a very important question Sam, and I don’t know the answer for sure, but I’ll give you my informed opinion on it. I believe that what Xi Jinping has been up to again in part for his own domestic political imperatives, but also for the stated ambitions of the party going back to its founding, is nothing short of, well some call it World War iii. I call it World War Xi because I believe Xi Jinping is a prime mover behind really most, if not just about all of what we’ve seen going wrong in the world today, either directly and obviously, or in some cases a little bit more subtle and indirectly. But take for example, the war in Ukraine, I think there’s no doubt about it that was green-lighted when Vladimir Putin of Russia visited Beijing during the beginning of the Olympics there, the Winter Olympics last year, 2003 rather, and got the go code from Xi to provided he waited until after the Olympics were over.
Similarly, I think we’ve seen in the Middle East the war against Israel waged by Iran and its assorted proxies and cutouts and foreign legions that was greenlighted after both the Iranians and the Palestinians made their pilgrimages to Beijing. We’ve seen Nicholas Maduro come back from Beijing and announced that he’s going to go to war between Venezuela and Guyana watching things going seriously bad in South Korea at the instigation of the Chinese communists and so on, all which is to say, I think what this is leading to is certainly the preparations for a shooting war, including I think those drone probing exercises as well as the old fashioned kind, just Chinese nationals trying to get on our military bases or trying to collect intelligence in this country through other ways, and to the extent that they can pull this off, Sam, I think they will be emboldened to actually pull the trigger and engage in a shooting war, not only to take Taiwan, probably starting with a blockade and possibly again in the very near future, but also to take us out among other things using cyber warfare and the techniques you’ve just mentioned there. But also they have by some estimates, several divisions that would be about 10,000 men, a piece of presumably special operators that they have insinuated into this country through Joe Biden’s open border, and the result of that is almost certainly a very, very perilous situation here inside the United States as well.
Sam Rohrer:
You say this, other people have said it, those that I talk with regularly observe the same things Again, we’re have just a little bit before this break under this current Biden administration, are we talking about incompetency not doing anything about it or are we talking complicity?
Frank Gaffney:
I think I’ve used this quote with you before. A friend and colleague of mine by the name of Sam Fadis, I think you’ve had him on, has used the expression based on his experience some 20 years recruiting and running assets for the central intelligence agency for our country. He says that using the lexicon of that business, the tradecraft if you will, of intelligence, Joe Biden, to the extent that he’s actually a person in places, the presidency is a controlled asset of the Chinese Communist Party.
Sam Rohrer:
Yep, okay. Frank and Sam has said that, and ladies and gentlemen think about that again as we’re walking through, these are human enemies that have faces of our nation, but again, keep in perspective, it’s ultimately a spiritual battle that we are seeing and we are witnessing when we come back. We’re going to move from China, we’re going to move to Isis, Islam. Frank, before we go into the consideration of Sharia, Islam, ISIS, Al-Qaeda and all that, which has obviously made itself apparent and erupted here on our own turf here in the United States with the activities in New Orleans and outside the Trump facility and a couple of other places probably also and some even Conjecturing and I don’t even know I want to put it out there, but could they have a role in what’s happening in California now? I don’t know, but on this matter of communist Chinese, here’s the question I wanted to ask you.
You mentioned globalists, which we’ve talked about here, the globalists, I’m calling the western axis. You got the eastern axis, which is Iran and China and the other elements we’re talking about, but you also mentioned the UN as being part of the globalist, but I find that the economic forum folks, more economic driven tyrants in some respects and to China both have their lock, it appears on the political activities of the united. Here’s a question I have not been able to ask anybody. Who do you think is actually the greater influence of the activities coming out of the United Nations? Is it the economic MEF type folks or is it WEM World Economic Forum folks, or is it China?
Frank Gaffney:
I think it’s China, but again, it’s hard to differentiate because they’re working closely together at the moment. It’s a little known fact. I didn’t know it myself to be perfectly honest, until fairly recently that the World Economic Forum is well fascistic group of globalists eugenicists, many of them, by the way, on top of every other immoral thing they do are famous for meeting in Davos Switzerland each year, usually February. It’s a big, big deal. They also meet every year in the city in communist China. K Schwab, the founding chairman of the outfit, has made no secret as have others, that their admiration for Xi Jinping and for his model, it’s so efficient, they would love to emulate its well it’s tyranny. So at the un, I think their money is sloshing around, notably in the person of Bill Gates, the Chinese have their people all over the outfit.
They in fact have a special actual cadre within their foreign service whose job is simply to work in and ultimately take over these multilateral institutions, and they’ve done very well at it. If they’re not actually running them as the first tier person, usually they’re in the second seat. But unfortunately, another factor is the Sharia supremacist cadre because they have a very large number of nations, a block of something like 50 of them I think are members of what they call the organization of Islamic Cooperation, OIC, and they tend to vote as a block, not every time, but they tend to, and that gives them a lot of sway within the UN and they get certain privileges like having for the Palestinians, their own refugee organization, ra it’s called. But I think that’s why I keep coming back to this touchstone, Sam, that the danger that we face is primarily that there are three different forces at work here and they are in concert, they are synergistic, they are determined, and they are making real progress towards taking us down.
There has been a setback with Donald Trump’s mandate for a very different course than the one Barack Obama and Joe Biden have been on, but still, it’s the case that these globalists are, I think whichever stripe you wish to ascribe to them of a mind that a world government run by them is to be preferred over our form of government in which our people have a say in the people who make our laws and otherwise govern us. That’s over the side as far as these guys are concerned, and whether it’s Sharia that will rule, or whether it’s moist communism or whether it’s fascistic capitalism, that’s a second order problem. The big point is they want to get rid of us, our form of government, our freedoms, and essentially the role the United States has played for so long in this world.
Sam Rohrer:
I think this is really helpful, I’m sure to people who are listening right now to help put these pieces together. This was not a part of what I was going to talk to you about, but I must ask you because I think this is the opportunity. You have the globalists who want to dominate the world, which means national sovereignty must disappear. You got that group, you’ve got the communist Chinese who want to because they got a call from heaven, they want to dominate the world, that middle kingdom as you talked about, and then you’ve got the Islamists who feel that they’ve got to take over the world because that’s a part of their mandate from Allah. In the middle of this is Russia. Russia appears. Putin appears to be at odds with the Western globalists on matters of sovereignty. He does not want to yield the control of Russia. I think because of the thinking of maybe the Russian Orthodox Church as well in regard to that, but he’s not a globalist, at least not in their terms of it. So he’s aligning with China. Where do you view Russia fitting into that? Do you think they are equally desiring controlling the world or do they find themselves in an interesting perspective where they’re moving wherever somebody can help them survive?
Frank Gaffney:
It’s a great question, Sam. I think that if Vladimir Putin had his way, he would run the world. He’s just not in a position to do that at this point. Instead, he finds himself as the junior partner in what he and Xi Jinping have announced as a No Limits partnership. I think that means more or less of vasal state to a kind of feudal system run by China. And interestingly enough, there’s a lot of talk in China about just lopping off of Russia to be colonized by the Chinese to exploit the resources, but also to get some women. They’re desperately short of those by some estimates thanks to their one child policy, this population restrictive policy of many years, there are 40 million young men in China for whom there are no women. So getting some across the border is a possibility, but most especially just having the additional room in which to live and colonize and take charge of great resources, I think is operating to the detriment of Russia, obviously.
And I don’t know exactly what Putin’s thinking is on this. I kind of think it’s probably like old Louis the 15th, the King of France before the French Revolution who said ap, which is French for after me comes the flood. And I think that’s probably how Putin sees this. He’s become one of the richest men in the world. I think he will find his way to Switzerland and bank accounts and all the rest of it at the time. He has to get out of there, but the devil take the hin most and it will be the devil and the person of the Chinese Communist
Sam Rohrer:
Party. That’s very, very, very interesting. We’ve got a couple of minutes left here. Let’s go back to the presence of Islam here in this country. I mentioned those activities, those terrorist activities that we have seen. That’s as a matter of the news reference obviously coming out of that to many Islamic sleeper cells across America. Some have said in the past, ah, that’s just a ghost fear doesn’t really exist. Well now this is here. So speak directly to that sleeper cells. Are they here, are they not? And if they are, who’s calling the shots for them? Who tells them when to wake up or when to go to sleep?
Frank Gaffney:
I think the problem is vastly larger than sleeper cells. There are those here, I think no doubt about it. Hezbollah for example, has them. Hamas has them, Iran has. But I think what we are contending with now, and you now have talked about this I think for as long as we’ve known one another, Sam, is the cumulative effects of decades going back to the 1960s of infrastructure building by another group called the Muslim Brotherhood, and I think they particularly now backed by Turkey and Qatar are calling a lot of the shots. They’ve built complexes. They’re called Islamic societies or Islamic centers. They’re built around what are supposedly houses of worship, but they’re really mosques in the tradition of Muhammad, which is a lot of other things besides including arsenals, including training centers for military activity, including vehicles for imposing Sharia law on the Muslim community. And similarly, again, building out vehicles for domination. Those are the folks that I think we have to be particularly concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we’re laying a lot on the table. These are all things we’ve had discussions with in the past on this program over a long period of time, bringing it forward at this point now at the beginning of 2025, we have an inauguration that’s coming up scheduled a week from it’s coming Monday. As Frank, my guest has said, Donald Trump is rocking the boat of a lot of these. Well, what will happen? What can we do? What should we expect maybe the Trump administration to do in these regard? We’ll talk about that next. Well, as we go into our final segment, Frank Gaffney with me here today. You are now the president of a new group and it’s called, and I already gave it the Beginning Institute for the American future. Is there a particular website that you would like to give our listeners if they want to know more about what you’re doing and all that kind of thing to go, I didn’t have that site. What site would you
Frank Gaffney:
Give? I would, yeah, it’s very simple. It’s us future.org and sims, I could just say a word about it. It introduces you to five different entities we call the special forces in the War of Ideas that we’ve put together over the past few years and are now sponsoring under this new umbrella of the Institute for the American future for the purpose of trying to help, in this case, Donald Trump make the kinds of course corrections that we need desperately. In light of the threats we’ve just been talking about in the course of this hour, there are practical steps that each of these groups, one about China, the committee on the present Danger China, one about global government, the Sovereignty Coalition, one about trying to make America’s military great again called Save America’s military. One that’s on our hearts, especially I know yours and mine save the persecuted Christians, and then a relatively new one we call the Victory Coalition, which is intended to try to counter this Sharia supremacist threat specifically. So we’ve got a lot to do and we would welcome people’s help. If you can’t help in other ways, please consider making a contribution to us. It’s us future, excuse me, us? Yes, that’s it. Us future.org.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay. I was going to say hopefully that’s what it was because that’s all I had down us future org. Okay. In that light, we have an inauguration coming up. It appears I’ve said on the program with other guests. We’ve talked about it today, but the enemies of freedom, ultimately ladies and gentlemen, the enemies of God himself. It’s what it comes down to. Let’s keep it in perspective, spiritual conflict. The Bible speaks about it, the unseen part, we don’t see it, but we’re told in scripture it is there. Then there are people with faces and there are nations that have arisen up and down and exist today that are reflective of ones or a group of people’s view, worldview towards God and his plan or frankly towards the devil and his plan. That is as simple as I can make. We are witnessing that. So now, as Frank Gaffney has stated, and we’ve stated before, you’ve got globalists, you have Chinese communism, and you have Sharia led Islam.
These three are all working together. We see manifestations of them of one point, one emerges more than the other, but at the end of the day, they’re an axis of evil and you got to put them all together. That’s what I’ve said. They’re an axis of evil. They have their own strategies, but they have one thing in common is that right now, the Judeo-Christian underpinnings of the United States, our constitution and this nation is a common enemy. Our dollar is an enemy. This nation is an enemy, frankly. It historically stood for. So now we’ve had an election. It was historic in many ways, in many respects, even though people didn’t talk about it. It’s really what worldview do I want? Do I want to sit under the thumb of some totalitarian, the Chinese, the globalists, the bill Gates of the world, Islam? No. Most Americans will say no way, but this is what is before us, right?
So Frank, January 20th is coming up. There’s been a lot of activities here preceding this that many would say are an attempt to delay, make more difficult distract or whatever you may be from that event. But nonetheless, it shows the power of the US presidency, this nation. And so with all these things that are taking place, are we witnessing this swirling pot? Is it an orchestrated swirling of event to keep people distracted? What should we be looking at? And in this regard, do you think that there will be greater activity with further disruption prior to the 20th and take it into that If the 20th happens, Donald Trump becomes president, things get established. I mean formally, what can he do? What is he doing to address these three enemy threats? Well,
Frank Gaffney:
You’ve packed a lot in there, and I know we don’t have a lot of time to answer. Let me just say as succinctly as I can, I believe that the forces that we’re talking about, and by the way, we haven’t specifically elaborated much on their allies inside this country. I’m not talking about the Chinese military personnel that are here or the Jihadists that are here. I’m talking about the Black Lives Matter and the Antifa and the other color revolutionaries. I think all of these folks have plenty of reason and ample capability at the moment to create chaos inside our country. If I were betting men, I bet that they will do it before the inauguration. I kind of thought they’d have done it before now, to be honest with you. But I think maybe they’re waiting until it gets right up to it, and if not, certainly after to try to disrupt the Trump presidency if they can’t postpone its start.
But I think that’s more likely the purpose at the moment is to try to prevent him from coming to power. And I wanted to make two quick points. One, I think it would be a tremendous mistake for us to do under these circumstances, what we have traditionally done, which is have not only the incoming president of the United States, but essentially the entire government, the leadership level, at least Congress, the judicial branch, the executive branch, usually all but one cabinet secretary who’s left out in case that something happens to the rest of the government. But this is no time to be putting all of the government into a place where they could have a free shot taken at them by a drone or some other kinds of device. So I hope the inauguration will take place that it will take place on time, that Donald Trump will be sworn in, that he will begin populating the administration and moving us in a very different direction.
But I think the chances of him doing all of that is much better if he’s doing it somewhere in a controlled environment rather than up on the Deus of the west front of the Capitol. The other thing is, I would just say very quickly, Sam, I think there’s a lot that each of us can do. Just to give you three examples. Don’t have your money invested in the Chinese Communist Party, which is likely the case if you have money in the capital markets, and some of it’s in emerging markets. Wall Street is putting it in China, and not only in China, but in two companies, building weapons for the People’s Liberation Army with which to kill us. Secondly, we need to crowdsource S awareness about this environment that we’re talking about, Sam, when that fellow apparently whacked the United Healthcare Executive, it wasn’t all of surveillance cameras in New York City.
It wasn’t the FBI, it wasn’t other law enforcement that found him. It was a burger flipper in Altoona, Pennsylvania. We need that kind of alert, engaged citizen seeing something, yes, but doing something meaning engaging, bringing this kind of information to their local authorities. And finally, just to come back to something we both have touched on, we need to pray. We need God’s grace at this moment more than ever. And I’m happy to say that I think he’s given us a reprieve that I wasn’t frankly expecting with the election of Donald Trump. But we need his grace to help him be successful now.
Sam Rohrer:
And with that, Frank Daphne, thank you so much for being with me today. His website, ladies and gentlemen us future.org, and I’ll get Frank back on us. Obviously, there’s a lot of things that we just touched on today that we need to cover further in depth, and we will do so. Frank, again, thank you for being with me, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, be aware, but ultimately, yes, make it a matter of prayer. Be alert, but look through the filter of a biblical worldview and truth in order that understanding what we see, so we understand what we see.
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