Ask Sam – Timeless Truths for a Nation in Transition

Jan. 24, 2025

Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett

Co-host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 1/24/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Isaac Crockett:

Welcome to the program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and joining me today as normally on Friday editions of Standing in the Gap today is the Honorable Sam Rohrer, the president of the American Pastors Network and the regular host of this program, and we want to talk about the first week of the new President Trump administration. Of course, he was president before, had four years off, comes back with really a lot of changes and some similar things, but so many things to discuss since Monday. So by Friday what has happened this first work week of President Trump, we want to talk through some of that and some of the things going on. But Sam, I think this is the first time that you and I have been on the radio together all year. I mean, we’re at almost the end of the month, I think because of our schedules and things. This is I think our first time. So thanks so much for taking time, for being on with us today.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, Isaac, it’s good to be with you and yes, yeah, it always is something I look forward to, but it’s hard to believe that we’re getting close to a month already under our belt. And anyways, we have a lot to discuss. That’s happened this week. That is for sure.

Isaac Crockett:

Great. I want to start with, let’s just talk about the weather because that affected the inauguration and a lot of other folks, and many of you listening have been deeply affected by it. Sam and I were just talking about the amount of snow he has and the kind of cold weather, the negative degrees that he’s experienced, and I’ve had up here too, right on the border of New York and Pennsylvania where I live. As we look at this weather and then continue fire issues going on in California, these forest fires, there’s a lot of Old Testament passages we could turn to about God and his sovereignty, controlling the weather and even using it to punish or to bless people. Mayhem chapter one, verse three, the prophet says, the Lord is slow to anger and great in power, and the Lord will by no means clear the guilty.

And that leads into the second part of the verse. He says, his way is in the whirlwind and storm and the clouds are the dust of his feet. In Luke 2111, we have the warning of what will be happening. Jesus is talking about the coming days of judgment and he talks about there will be great earthquakes and in various places, famines and pestilence, and there will be terrors and great signs from heaven and pointing us back to the Lord. When we see these things, even our puritan forefathers here in America and in Europe, they always look, this is nothing new when Sam, when you or others talk about when we see these things happening, we need to look upward. We need to look to heaven and see what is God asking us. John Bunion, one of my favorite writers, he’s the Baptist pastor when it was considered to be a non-conformist, to be a Baptist in England, he wrote the Pilgrim’s Progress.

I love to read that often the Holy War, many of his different books, I love reading and he reminds us that when we go through hardships as our country is facing just because of weather and other things in times of affliction, we commonly meet with the sweetest experience of God’s love. And whether it be the, or persecution or just something personal that you’re going through, everything is meant to draw us back to God. But Sam in particular, we’ve seen snow dumped in Florida. I saw pictures of orange trees with oranges on them covered in snow. We’ve seen wildfires raging in California. We’ve seen weird weather in places. It’s not normally yet, and even the presidential inauguration was impacted by it. Now that we want to get into that next segment too, what were the other reasons, security reasons, but how should a Bible believing Christian view these weather patterns and some of the issues going on that people are blaming on Mother Nature in our nation right now?

Sam Rohrer:

Isaac, I think to me this has been an important area. Matter of fact, just a couple of weeks ago I did a stand in the gap minute series on the theme of how God speaks, and one of them was God speaks through his word. We know that all scriptures God breathe in profitable. Two Timothy three 16 tells us that. But the second one that I did was God speaks through the weather. You mentioned Nahum chapter three, the Lord has his way and the whirlwind, but there are 1400 references to weather in scripture, Isaac with most of them, most all of them directly linked to God’s communications of his blessing or judgment on mankind. So there is a direct connection to weather, and I think one of the sins of our modern time, Isaac, is that even God’s people don’t understand how God speaks and therefore are ignorant of what he is saying.

I’ll compact to that. But another one is God speaks through circumstances. The early church we know was one where God brought together events which then caused a dispersion of the early church around the world. Joseph and his brothers an example of God used circumstances to accomplish his will, and Joseph was able to say, you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good. Well, we know that God speaks through his spirit. Only the spirit of God can communicate truth. So that’s another one. Economic conditions. Deuteronomy chapter 28 talks about God saying from a national perspective, things such as prosperity or national respect with nation to nation or security from one’s enemy or wealth and homes or plenty of food are all indication of God’s blessings. And God speaks his blessings to a nation in that way. And when it’s there, God is blessing. And when they begin to dissipate or leave, then God has changed to judgment.

Another one that God speaks to nations. I find Isaiah chapter three in verse four, where God says to Israel as a nation that when you do not follow what I say to do and do what I say to do, I will give you a result. And one of them is I’m going to give you children to be your rulers and babies shall rule over you meaning children in thought and desire and motivation, but they’ll have adult bodies. And that’s a sign that God gives to scripture is one of the signs of imminent national collapse. So the point being Isaac is that God communicates to nations and to people in multiple ways, and that’s all through scripture whether is one of them. And our problem is is when we do not recognize that God speaks blessings and manifest blessings and or judgment, and he will reflect it through the weather.

So our pilgrim fathers, when they were here as an example, when it did not rain and they were losing their crops, the immediate first thing they did is they went to their knees and said, oh God, what have we done? Because you have promised reign for those blessings as a manifestation of your blessing. What have we done? And they corrected their behavior and sought the repentance of God. So here in this case, I think when we fail to understand that God does speak nationally on these various areas and we throw him out and we replace it with climate change or some kind of human explanation for why things are, we do ourselves extraordinary harm because we have said to God, we don’t care what you say, we prefer some kind of man’s explanation for it. I think that’s where we are. But I think that’s all a part of us as you’re referring to here on the weather and other things to say, wait a minute, wait a minute, God, what are you saying? And that should be the question that we are asking.

Isaac Crockett:

I love that. God, what are you saying all the time? Everything that we see, what is God communicating to us now on yesterday’s program? You focus in a lot on Marxism and how that has just kind of been brought into our culture in so many different ways and people want to try to do things on their own without seeing what God has been, but we want to look at what is God saying? What has he told us, what has revealed to us in his word and what is going on? So we’re going to ask you a bunch of questions about this, Sam, and look through some of this, but we’re going to come back and our goal is to talk about what’s happening with the inauguration of President Trump, and then get into what has happened since then in the first, less than a week of the Trump administration.

A lot going on and a lot to talk about. We’ll be right back on standing in the gap today. Well, welcome back to our program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and I’m talking with the honorable Sam Rohrer on this Friday edition of Stand In the Gap. Today we’re asking Sam about Donald Trump, Donald Trump Administration 2.0. And so Sam, let’s start with the inauguration that took place on Monday, and one of the things that was interesting about it is that it was not held outside. I remember, well, actually our co-host, Dave Kistler, was out handing out tracks and Bible copies of John Romans and different things, and they’ve handed out thousands of them, I think maybe somewhere around 50,000, and they did that last time under President Biden, and they did it the time before. I’m not sure if they’ve done it under any other administrations other than the inauguration of Trump and Biden.

Jill and I were there for the inauguration for Donald Trump and Mike Pence back in the last time in 2017. But this time things were a little bit different and there was a lot of cold weather, which is unusual for Washington DC I’ve marched in the pro-life march, which is usually about a week later, and I’ve done that in DC when it’s really cold, but this was very cold for an inauguration, and so they moved it into the capitol rotunda. Interestingly enough, from my understanding, the last time that happened was 1985 when Ronald Reagan was being inaugurated for the second time. And also interestingly is that both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump have been shot as President Reagan as president, president Donald Trump as running for president. So Sam, I just ask you what you make of all of that, of having it inside and do you think that perhaps there were other threats besides the weather that maybe affected that?

Sam Rohrer:

I think Isaac, there was, we made a brief comment on an earlier program about this with a guest, but there was one thing that was clear. There were multiple layers of threats that were preceding the inauguration like the week before that was out there that was known. There was apparently a great deal of concern about the ability to be able to guarantee protection. One of the guests had my program here, Frank Gaffney actually when he was with me, commented on the fact that he said, under these circumstances, for sure, the president and his core team president to be and his core team, those who might become cabinet members or whatever, must not ever be at the same location at the same time, he mentioned that prior, and that was before they had decided to move it inside. So I think the weather being cold provided an excuse, but the primary reason was a fear of safety and not being able to protect on sufficient levels. So I think there were a number of factors involved in that decision think.

Isaac Crockett:

And so again, you think about what God is saying and what God is doing, and I think that this cold weather pattern gave an opportunity to use some wisdom and to do it in a way that didn’t maybe alarm the public as much, but very interesting to think about, well, our kids are homeschooled, so they were home and many kids were home because of Martin Luther King Jr Day. But to watch it on the television screen and there was a lot of interesting things that went on. Every inauguration I think is such a neat opportunity for all of us as Americans and even as Christians to watch and to learn. But as you watched some of these things, Sam, some of this stuff is being replayed on different clips and things now, but what would be some of the positive things that you saw from this inauguration or even the events leading up to it or some of the media events following it since it things that you saw that maybe encouraged you and even I want to go back to your Monday interview with, I think it was Greg Roman, and he was worried about an imam who had been invited to say a prayer edit and how that ended up working out.

Just love to get your comments and your thoughts on that.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Yeah, just a couple of things, Isaac. Just overall, I think most pundits would look and it would say, alright, as events, inauguration events compared to inauguration events because this was inside, it was smaller than the outside events of the past, even of President Trump’s first event. Many that I have read would say that it was a lot lower key, a little bit less fanfare perhaps, and I don’t think that was a bad thing at all. One of the things I thought was good was that a number of the music selections were quite good from Carrie Underwood in her singing and had to sing acapella because the music wasn’t playing, pulled that out of the hat. That was actually quite good. I think it was one of the Naval cadet choir sang, what was it? What The Return of the Lord of What? What’s the title of it? This song from the Civil War,

Isaac Crockett:

The Glory. Glory, hallelujah.

Sam Rohrer:

It was Glory. Hallelujah was a part of it. But it had actually was interesting because that song was really talking about the second coming of Christ and that’s why it was written back at the time of the Civil War. It was kind of interesting. So there were some good things like that. So I don’t have any negative at all to say. I thought it was of positive presentation. Now, the one thing that you talked about, it was very unusual. We did talk about it on the Monday program, a Shia Imam by the name of Huan Al Hasni. He’s the Imam of the Kabbalah Islamic Educational Center in Dearborn, Michigan was scheduled to pray at the inauguration and he has clear connections to Hezbollah and it was very unbelievable in my opinion that he was even on the schedule, but on Monday program while the event was taking place.

You’re right Mike, I guess Greg Roman who leads Middle East Forum, we talked about that Imam and the fact that unbelievable that he could be on the schedule, but he was on the schedule. As it turned out though, just minutes before he was scheduled to deliver his prayer, he was pulled. And I don’t have the full details of exactly why other than the fact that there was a connection made that yeah, somebody finally came to the point of understanding that he had a direct connection to Hezbollah and somebody made a determination, but the fact that he was even on the schedule for some time was an alarm to me and just says, I think how that would’ve created such a problem that would’ve been an issue. I believe had he delivered that prayer at that event, it wouldn’t have been a politically good thing. It would’ve been, I think something that would’ve been a real issue. So that was an answer to prayer as far as I’m concerned.

Isaac Crockett:

What about things that you saw that maybe left you scratching your head or left you, I don’t know if you’d say worried or concerned about, and maybe this would be a time, I don’t know if there’s time to get into it right now, but the whole National Cathedral prayer service that happened to happen not on the inauguration but afterwards with the Episcopalian bishop and some of the things that were said, but what were some things from the inauguration or the times around it that you might find concerning or at least you want to watch and see what develops from it?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, out of the inauguration itself, I mean I think a part of that whole process, that one there would stand out to me where at the cathedral there you had that occupier of the pulpit actually get up and lecture those that were sitting there with some coming and saying they were so glad that they spoke to power, but they lectured them on matters of gender and in politically correct things, which I was actually glad to see that there was a rather broad response, not just coming from the Trump campaign and people where they castigated her appropriately for trying to lecture them on something that had nothing to do with pulpit, as they said, which is appropriate to even as you were saying, certain other reporters who don’t even claim any religiosity felt that it was inappropriate. So that was something that happened that was unfortunate, but I think the response to it was positive in that a number of folks broad based, recognized that it was totally inappropriate.

Isaac Crockett:

What about with the inauguration, whether the president’s speech or some of the reactions to it, is anything that you found concerning or things that you are concerned about, even maybe the unity of our country, some of the pundits looking for any detail that they can kind of tear him apart, but in general, what are your thoughts on maybe the unity of our country as we come off of this

Sam Rohrer:

Inauguration? Well, I don’t know. I mean I don’t think I’ll have too much there. I think some of the statements and some of the things that have been done following the inauguration, we can talk about a little bit in the next segment. Some of them raise more issues. But I think one thing that is for sure, Isaac, we have as an attitude of an incoming administration with this administration and this president, there seems to me to be a sense of a mandate. There is a boldness that is emanating from his voice. There is a sense, by the way, he is I think interacting with those in Congress by the way, he is interacting with other national leaders now, be it Putin of Russia and or others speaking in very, very bold terms as in I’m the guy and this is the way we’re going to do it. Get on border, we’re going to go around you. That is a mentality and an attitude. I think we still have to find out and determine how that’s going to be responded to. But I see that as being distinctively different.

Isaac Crockett:

And you’re right, very different from the last administration for the Biden administration, very different this boldness. Let’s pray that they’ll go forth in biblical courage, being humbled before the Lord above all things, but a lot to think about, a lot to pray about. When we come back, I want to ask you some about some of the other actions of President Trump, especially executive orders. Well, welcome back to the program and if you’re just joining us, maybe you’re listening to your radio during lunch break or listening to a podcast during a little break in the day, and we’re halfway through our program approximately, but I’m Isaac Crockett, I’m talking with the Honorable Sam Rohrer, the president of the American Pastors Network, and we’re talking really giving Sam who normally does the interviewing on Friday oftentimes gets interviewed then. And we’re talking about President Trump and the new Trump administration obviously being elected in 2016, but not in 2020.

Biden takes over. He has four years to think about things. He’s coming back now, Sam, I like the word you used for Donald Trump in the last segment. At the end of it, you called him, you said a lot of what he’s talking about is very bold. I think what he has done so quickly in this first week, I think those who like him and those who dislike him would agree with that though, that he’s being very bold and he seems to have hit the ground running as they say that he came in prepared this time, ready cabinet members and different things. He’s been pushing and vetting this stuff, planning on getting things done maybe a lot quicker than any other recent president has. And he’s doing things that are maybe you could say, different than recent presidents. And one of the things that he’s been using is executive orders.

So Sam, before I go into asking you about this weeks’ worth of executive orders, I know that you talked about Joe Biden and the pardons and there were last minute pardons even that Joe Biden did. I don’t know how much that’s been discussed, those ones that happened, so last minute, but just this idea of using the office of President and making these executive orders and then canceling out a previous President’s executive orders and all of these different things that go along with it. Could you maybe outline how those executive orders have been taking place with the last few modern presidents and then maybe your opinion on how they’ve been using that?

Sam Rohrer:

Isaac? I can, and here’s just a bit of a brief history. Let me define that. What is an executive order? An executive order comes from the person who leads the executive branch. Alright, now, legislative branch, judicial branch, executive branch, the executive branch under our constitution is not a monarchy. It is an executor, a carrier out an implementer of law, not that they make, but that is passed appropriately according to constitutional provision by the lawmaking body called the legislature. So the implementer of the laws is the executive branch under the executive branch led by the president who is also leads the military. Under that comes what we call the bureaucracy, the various agencies, departments of the federal government. And the same thing is the mirrored on the state level as well under the governor. So that’s the level of it. Now, at one point in history, executive orders were extraordinarily limited and historically by law executive orders are to be constrained for use by the head of the executive branch.

In this case going to call the president for how the departments that are within the executive branch function. So it’s more have to do with how the department of the IRS or the Homeland Security or whatever, how they function as people within not the executive branch, but never has it been envisioned that executive action or orders actually make the law. Yet increasingly these executive orders have gone beyond a resolution instructing the employees of the various departments, how to carry out the wishes of the president process wise and other things in that they’ve actually come to the point of actually making law. Now this goes back a little bit of history. Nixon, under Nixon year in four years, he had 346 executive orders under Ford 169, Jimmy Carter 320, Reagan 380 in eight years. So not nearly as much as Nixon HW Bush 166 in four years, Clinton 364 in eight years.

So half as many as some of the others. George W. Bush 291 Obama 220 in eight years, not all that much really. Trump 220 in his first four years. So he was exactly the exact same number as Obama. And then Biden had 160 in four years. Now in the first couple of days of the Trump administration, they’ve been bundled, but they have said a hundred to 200 coming up here in a moment of time. So it’s a vast volume. And so from an historic perspective, history wise, there have been more executive orders here under this new administration in this period of time than ever, ever. Now here’s the point, Isaac, and I think that just want to leave with executive orders when they actually begin to make the law and actually do what Congress theoretically, constitutionally alone is to do by law. You begin to run into an issue where you have to say, or we developing a monarchy.

And when a president can come in, like a Biden came in and undid effectively most of the Trump executive orders under his term, and now Trump comes in and undoes all of Biden’s and then reinstitute new things, you actually have a very, very, I’m going to say bothersome potential change in process to our deliberative body where the legislature makes the law and the executive branch carries it out to the executive branch, attempting to make law and going back to the legislature and asking them to sanction what he’s already done in executive order. So there are a number of things about what’s taking place that is worthy of great consideration. And I raise a number of concerns in this regard.

Isaac Crockett:

And I think what you’re explaining is that it is kind of complicated because once you get this ball rolling, it’s hard to stop that momentum. So I think President Trump is saying, like you said, I’ve been elected with a mandate to make changes and so he could point out some of what I’m doing is just trying to undo the executive orders of the previous administration. So it’s very interesting, a lot more complex than maybe I realized until you explained it. And another one of the executive orders I’d like to get your opinion on is I know, I think your opinion on the World Health Organization and some of the schemes that they’ve been up to, it appears that Trump is saying that he has pulled us out via executive order, pulled the United States of America out of the World Health Organization. And I would love to hear what you think about that because is that something that Congress should have been involved with or is that something he had the power to do? And what is your feeling about getting out of the World Health Organization?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, I think that’s an example of something that can be done Now, people need to remember that under Trump’s first term, he also took us out of the World Health Organization, but the process to remove from the World Health Organization is something that takes about a year to do. So when he decided to exit it, it was close to the end of his term and Biden came in and basically reversed what he did. So nothing happened. Now Trump is saying basically put him on notice. It is our intent to withdraw. It’s not an immediately withdraw, we’re not out of it. It is an intent to withdraw. Now, in reality, that should be a legislative action to even become a part of it. But see, the problem has been is that over the last many years, the president, the various presidents and the congresses have put vast sums of money into the World Health Organization and into the United Nations for funding of all kinds of bizarre and unconstitutional things.

But it has never risen to the occasion where any previous president or congressional leaders ever made a big enough deal about it. In reality, it shouldn’t have been done from the beginning. But anyways, he raises that. So to me, is that an appropriate thing to say as the president of the United States, I put the World Health Organization, the United Nations on notice that we are not going any longer be a part of that where you tell us what to do when it comes to matters of health policy? Well, because Congress never did do that, they should have, I do not fault the President for doing it and saying in fact that is an appropriate thing to do, but I want people to know it is not automatic. And it starts a process of which a lot can happen between now and the 12 months or so when any kind of an official withdrawal would take place. I would anticipate negotiations actually to take place with the World Health organizations and the United States, not necessarily a hard and fast termination. I would expect negotiation of some type to take place between now and then.

Isaac Crockett:

Very interesting. What about, and you’ve already brought a lot of this up, but really just looking at the number of executive actions that he’s taken in these orders, what about, are there any of them that you say, wow, that could be very interesting from a constitutional perspective or from a biblical perspective, what he’s doing for border security and different things? Are there anything that you say that’s interesting or what you would look at it through the lens of biblical worldview or especially I’m thinking constitutionally because that’s really what you’re bringing up here. Are we following the law of the land? Are we following the constitution when the executive office is just boom, making these orders without going through Congress?

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, Isaac, there are, at this juncture, I’m going actually going through a lot of executive orders right now. There are at least three different emergencies, national emergencies that have been declared by the present during executive order. One regarding energy, one’s guarding border security, and there’s something in here about health as well. I haven’t read through that. Lemme come back and finish that on the other side. But I’m able say this, whenever a national emergency is proclaimed, it suspends the constitution and other laws. That’s a big issue. We can talk about that more perhaps in the next segment.

Isaac Crockett:

That is a very big issue. So we’re talking about boldness as the old saying, go big or go home, but very bold, a lot going on. We’ll be right back after this break to wrap things up, well welcome back to the program as we start to wrap things up. I’ve been asking Sam questions, just looking back over the first week of this new president Trump administration, the Trump administration 2.0, as some people are calling it, it would appear that Trump has come into office, this go around ready to get things done. As Sam mentioned, a very bold agenda, very bold speech, and a lot going on and some of that going on with the executive orders. Sam, I asked you some questions right at the end, so I didn’t give enough time to answer, but what were you looking at? What are some of the things that have caught your attention when you look at some of the executive orders, and again, I’m speaking from a biblical worldview, but also part of that biblical worldview is following our law, our highest law of the land is the Constitution. Anything that kind of draws your attention and what you have seen happening this week with those executive orders?

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, Isaac, I can, and I won’t go real long on that, but I just mention what I was referred to at the end of the last segment. And that is that so far as I’m looking down through the list of executive orders, three of them are dealing with a declaration of national emergency. One is title, this declaring a National Energy Emergency. The second one was declaring a national emergency at the southern border of the United States. The third one is delivering emergency price relief for American families to defeat the cost of living crises. Now, there are some other things that are involved in that, but here’s the point. Whenever a president executive branch actually declares a national emergency, it begins to trigger a number of things including suspension of normal law, constitutional law among other things. And it allows for a very quick expedition, an expediting of an implementation of the provisions of whatever is determined in that executive order to be without the normal oversight in the process requirements of going through the process of government.

Now, here’s an example. When President Trump was first president and he declared the Covid emergency as an example, when that happened, it suspended the Constitution and we talked about it much on this program and people can now look back and say, well, what do you mean by that? Well, there was a reason why all the protocols for testing, whether it be for vaccines or others, just went out the window for the requirements for the pharmaceutical companies to actually put forth what it is they’re going to do with required testing. The ability to hold them without liability for the FDA and the CDC to issue changes regarding masking or closing up businesses. People say, how did that happen? Well, that happened because a national emergency was declared under the guise of health and all of these things, these protections that have been put in place for people’s or going to work or all those kinds of things were actually suspended.

That was the result of a national emergency. The power of the declaration of a national emergency never used to happen, but it was consolidated under a number of provisions during the Obama administration, I think with the anticipation that Hillary Clinton possibly would do it, but actually Trump actually first did it, and with it basically the entire country was changed and the history of the country was changed under the matter of covid. So the Declaration of Emergency brings with it a release of massive amounts of federal funds, suspension of the normal process for review and a host of things that can happen at the request of and direction of the executive branch. So it really makes a representative form of government under an international emergency, much more like a monarchy. It’s streamlined. In one hand you could say, well, this is great because we got an issue that’s got to be fixed, and isn’t it great in order to be able to fix it quickly?

Well, on one hand that’s true, but on the other hand, it is a suspension of the checks and balances in our constitutional frame of government that I’m going to suggest long-term is not good, not good because the checks and balances are down. And what it means is that one president come in and change everything upside down and the next one comes in and undoes everything. And you have a whipsawing back and forth with immediate changes based on a person’s personality or a promise rather than on the system of deliberative government, which is what we have in our constitution republic. So these are a few things that are in place, three emergencies already declared. I’ve not gone through all the details, but I put that out there as things for which we need to be watchful.

Isaac Crockett:

Well, Sam, I appreciate what you’re saying. It’s very helpful for me, and I think for our listeners, I don’t hear this being discussed. I hear people on one side just saying, oh, how dare he And I see another people on the other side saying, tearing him, yay, good for him. And I think what you’re trying to do or what you’ve done is to take this away from a democrat, republican, a woke or unwoke or whatever situation, just say constitutionally. Not just Biden, not just Trump, but also Biden, also Obama and Bush. And let’s look at this constitutionally in recent history. Where has this led us? And I think it’s very interesting. I think it’s eye opening, and I think this is a necessary conversation to have right now at the beginning of this Trump, new Trump administration that we pray for him and pray for those around him and look and watch and be discerning of what is going on, what’s actually happening.

And to that regard with, you’ve just said earlier in the week, you mentioned, I think it was maybe two things or more that you are observing closely at the beginning of this new Trump era, I guess I would call it or Trump 2.0 administration. What are at least a couple of those things that you mentioned, and maybe along with that, because I think they go closely together and we’re almost out of time. We’ve talked a lot about making America great again, but what does the Bible define greatness as for us as Americans or for anybody?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, I’m watching two things, Isaac, these words much. This is where expectations have been established during the campaign. They’re being rehearsed again as a result of the election and partly fueling the boldness of the President. I have a mandate. Do what I say. Here are two things that I’m watching, number one. Number one is this. How will the President keep his many promises to reverse all Biden wrongs and to bring peace to the world? Now, that was all stated. Had I been in office, there would be no war with Russia and Ukraine. Had I been in office, there’d be no war in the Middle East. And I will bring these things to a conclusion, okay, I am watching. How will this be done? How will these things be fulfilled? Secondly, this is how will specific Trump policies and agreements be initiated that will in essence define what he means by greatness?

In other words, make America great again, to me, has been very similar to what Obama ran on hope and change. Everybody assigned to those hope and change or make America great again, whatever they wanted to assign to it. And it became a fantastic thing for which Obama ran and then Trump ran on it because they can create within the minds of people whatever they want to think about it. But in reality, regulations, policies, executive orders and laws ultimately bring clarity and definition to what does one mean by that. So ultimately, we did find out what Obama thought was hope and change, and it wasn’t what most people wanted as hope and change. Well, what about America? Great. Again, what does that mean? And I think some of the things that are unfolding, and I’m watching that carefully under this administration, is the clarification of what does he really mean? Greatness for America. Again, we can revisit this again on another program. Isaac,

Isaac Crockett:

Sam, that’s a great question to be thinking about. What does that mean? What does the Bible say? And again, what we started out with, what is God saying? What is God communicating to us today? Well, thank you so much for listening, for tuning into this. I hope you will pray for our nation, for our president, for everybody else involved. Until next time, I hope that you’ll stand in the gap for truth, wherever you are.