Since the Launch of Epic Fury: Who’s Better Off?

Since the Launch of Epic Fury: Who’s Better Off?

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: J. R. McGee

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 6/15/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand in the Gap today. We have a packed week ahead of us this week in the headline news analysis department, which is what we do and it’s all going to be filtered through a biblical worldview perspective, which again is what we with God’s help attempt to do. Now joining me today is J.R. McGee. He’s with me monthly as we analyze these headline news from the perspective of national security, geopolitics and biblical prophecy. Now all of those are part of JR’s perspective and that’s why we fit this together in a really unique way. So stay with us as we have a lot to go over here today. The world, as we know, if you’re listening to news, we understand. You understand that the world is hurdling toward monumental shifts and it’s unfolding precisely on God’s timetable. We know that if we believe and fear of God, we know that to be true.

Unfolding precisely on God’s timetable. Yet we are living in remarkably deceptive times. We also know that because that’s what the Bible says. From Washington DC outward. Leaders are deceiving and being deceived. That’s what the Bible says also. And it’s prepping the public for some of the greatest lies the world has ever seen. How do we know that? Because that’s what the Bible says too. So let’s get right into it. For the 39th time, President Trump is promising that peace is at the door and that a deal has been struck with Iran. And while administration officials like Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Interior Secretary Doug Bergham offer predictably, in my opinion, very vague, very enthusiastic assurances, seasoned observers expect nothing really different this go around. At least I don’t anyway. Now consider the narrative pushed over the last 24 hours as we look at our episode today.

I’ve chosen this title to frame it. Since the launch of Epic Theory, who’s better off since the launch of epic Fiori, that’s February 28th of this year, but we’re going to go back a little bit as you stay with us. But the question is this, who’s better off? Now the president posted on Truth Social that “The deal is done oil and trade flow immediately restored.” Those are exact words. Bessent promised flooded markets and Secretary Bergum declared, “Total US victory.” Those were his exact words. Meanwhile, UN Ambassador Mike Waltz simply stated, “The president has every intent for this to happen.” Now contrast that with the perspective of God fearing Israeli commentary Avi Abello. He puts out a lot of information that I’ve been reading recently and I agree in what he said this morning. He said this, “While many feel betrayed at this whole peace deal arrangement, he said, as many feel betrayed, he, this Avi, is actually thankful for the moment.” And he says, “Why?

Well, because it forces Israelis,” and I’m going to put in here, “And I, I, Sam, add here, should force all true believers.” Okay. Now back into his comment, “Forces all believers to confront a long ignored truth. Our future, Israeli future, I’m going to say our future here as well, cannot depend on any foreign leader no matter how friendly. Our trust must be in Hashem, God. Furthermore, Avi accurately points out that there is no actual deal yet, merely a memorandum of understanding, an MOU for a 60 day ceased fire that isn’t even signed until Friday, that’s Friday of this week. So that’s basically what he said. So within that framework in mind, let’s move into today’s analysis. JR, welcome back to the program. We have a lot to go over.

J.R. McGee:

Oh, we do, Sam. And what a privilege and an honor it is to be with you and your audience today to help them see things that they’re not going to see and hear from the normal news media.

Sam Rohrer:

Yep. Absolutely. So let’s get right into this. Let’s establish a baseline prior to January, 2026 between the US and Iran. We know kind of what it is. We’re going to get into that more, but what was it? How would you describe what was before the midnight hammer, which was actually before then and then of course Epic Fury, which was launched on February 28th of this year. Well,

J.R. McGee:

Sam, the facts are that oil was flowing through the straits of Hormuz unimpeded at that point. Iran’s support and control over their proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis was severely damaged and Iran’s control over the civilian population and Iran’s economy were in serious jeopardy. They were struggling terribly and on the verge of internal collapse at that point.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Let’s move then into this. So things were basically moving along really the world was kind of functioning pretty normally, but then something happened there oftentimes in the political world or however it happens, crises are created in order to justify action. There was a crisis associated with this. What would you think was the crisis that precipitated this recent Iran conflict? Well,

J.R. McGee:

It was several things, Sam. It was the frustration over the lack of progress with Iran’s nuclear program and a serious concern over their ICBM and drone attacks on Middle Eastern partners, specifically the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Iran in particular. And then there was the murder of approximately 40,000 Iranian civilians who were engaged in peaceful protests against the Iranian regime. Iran was spinning out of control and Iran was becoming more and more unpredictable and Iran is in possession of some very serious weaponry and that weaponry provided a significant threat against Israel in particular the Middle East in general. And ironically, we knew at that point that their ICBMs had the capability of reaching Europe. That wasn’t general knowledge before this, but it is now. Their ICBMs have launched satellites into space. That means they can put something anywhere on the face of the earth, but Iran was becoming increasingly unpredictable and erratic and that threat was metastasizing pretty significantly.

I think all of those things combined to create a situation where people thought we need to intervene before this gets more and more out of control. That’s what I think.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. All right. Well, let’s just go. We don’t have much time left, but what do you think makes today’s current situation, I’m going to put it this way, predictably unpredictable since we have been whipsawed back and forth 39 times exactly, actually added up 39 times that we’ve been at the edge of peace, then it disappeared. That judge piece disappears.

J.R. McGee:

Well, the stated goals were the elimination of Iran’s nuclear program in its entirety. The elimination of Iran’s ICBM and long range drone threat in its entirety and allowing the Iranian people to gain control over their government. That’s what we said we were going to do. And I would submit to you that not one of these has truly been accomplished. In fact, we may be behind the times from where we began. I hate to say that, but that’s what I’m seeing.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because it’s this kind of frank back and forth that we’re discussion that we’re going to have as we go through the program. The title today is this, and it’s all because of the quote unquote Iran deal, which we’ll talk about that in third segment, exactly what is that deal. But the title is this, since the launch of Epic Fury, who’s better off? And we’ll be answering those questions as we go through the program, but back in just a minute. Well, if you’re just joining us here today, this is stand in the gap today. My special guest is returning guest J.R. McGee.

He’s been a counter-terrorism specialist and a trainer of military strategy for our best of our military folks for a long, long time and joins me at least once a month as we look at headline news today, picking up on really what’s I would say it’s the bigger news of the weekend perhaps. And that is a supposed deal, peace deal between Iran and the US, but there’s a lot unfolding. So let’s just put it that way. So we’re looking at that here right now. My title is this, since the launch of Epic Fury, who’s better off? And I phrased that in that way because there’s a lot of ways different people are considering and analyzing what is unfolding, what was said over the weekend, what is going to be said in the days ahead, but that being the case we’re putting in the context of regardless of what is said, who’s better off?

And that’s where we’re going to end up answering those questions. And what should have we learned? And because there’s multiple players in this. We’ll talk about them all as we move through. Now, as I’ve said many, many times on this program, since particularly February 28th when all this kicked off with Iran, I’ve said that our engagement with Iran was destined to fail, meaning it was not going to have a clear finish line that when you crossed it, you knew the race was done. Let’s put it that way. Why is that? Well, first, because the lack of firmly established and of objectives and as we’ve seen continuing evolving objectives, whenever that happens, it guarantees an endless conflict because if you don’t know where you’re going, you don’t know if you ever got there and that means the exit strategy becomes difficult. Secondly, the Trump administration itself remains divided on why we fired the first shot and we did fire the first shot.

Noer things have been going on, but we fired the first shot that actually started the kinetic involvement with Iran. Secretary of State, Marco Rubio testified that before Congress, that we launched a preemptive strike to avoid being caught on the defensive by an inevitable Israeli action. That’s what he said and that hangs out there. President came back and took an opposing position. Third, I think this war has been fought under a shroud of deception. For instance, labeling it a conflict, not a war does not bypass the constitutionally required declaration of war, but yet it has happened and that’s been a matter before Congress or when you get to the hundred days, which is what the requirement is, you’ve got to have a declaration. Congress just comes back and the White House comes back and says, “Well, we have peace now and there’s no more war and stop the clock.” That’s deception.That’s clear deception.

That’s a problem. And so that has taken place. Now finally, our strategy and timing is not being driven by military experts as you will note, but by one man. Now why do I say that? We knew who that one man is because that one man has repeatedly declared that this war will end only when he feels like it. He has said that. So we’ve got to take words mean things. It’ll be done when I say it’s done, because when I feel it in my bones.

All right, that’s difficult to execute military strategy when it’s not clear. Anyways, JR, I could say more, but let’s go to the Midnight Hammer event because that actually was before Epic Fury began. But from your perspective, what were the results of that event and why is the nuclear material which became a justification for a part of that? Why was that literally a concern and does that remain even now?

J.R. McGee:

That’s a really good question, Sam. And I want to make a quick statement here is your audience and you have come to know me. You understand I try to be neutral. I find that a good analyst has to understand the opponent’s position better than he understands his own position. And you can’t take sides because if you do, you begin to look at everything through a bias that affects your ability to see what truth is. And as I’m looking at this, I look at Midnight Hammer and I try to give credit where credit’s due. Midnight Hammer was a brilliantly executed strike that achieved its primary objectives. But here’s the interesting thing. The focus was on things. We did destroy the underground networks. We did destroy the underground buildings. We did destroy a large amount of the equipment. What we didn’t destroy was the material itself, the nuclear material, the radioactive isotopes of uranium 238.

And as long as that exists, it can be mined just like you would mine any other ore by digging back down in there and retrieving that and repining it one more time and reconstituting it. That would be a terrible threat. This whole operation starting on February 28th was to shut down that program and remove that material and now we’ve come up with an agreement to simply talk about doing that. We haven’t agreed to do it. Iran hasn’t agreed to do it. They’ve agreed to talk about it for another 60 days and that’s a real problem because as long as the material exists, it’s a threat. And here’s the interesting thing. You can’t focus on things. You have to focus on knowledge because if I have people who know what they’re doing or I can go rent people or buy people who know what they’re doing, I can rebuild things.

I can rebuild facilities. I can rebuild equipment. Until you get rid of the knowledge, you have not removed the threat. And as long as you’ve got the material, you’ve got the major component for the device that material can be used for a radioactive dirty bomb. It doesn’t have to be in a nuclear device. It can be used in a conventional explosive that just spreads the radiation over a large amount of area. This still constitutes a major threat and the only thing we’ve done is establish the status quo of where we were when this started, which was trying to talk to Iran about what to do with it. I find that to be deeply disappointing, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Yep. That’s interesting. And we’ll go more into it, ladies and gentlemen, because the arrangement, this memorandum of understanding touches on that and we’ll talk about that a bit more in the next segment. JR, one of the other things that happened after the February 28th attack was that Iran immediately moved to close the straits of Hormuz, shutting off 20% of the world’s supply of oil and fertilizer and all of that kind of stuff that now has basically it’s serving to break supply chains and threaten economic condition of the entire world. All right. What are your thoughts about why that was either unforeseen or expected and permitted to happen anyway?

J.R. McGee:

Sam, the embargo against the Iranians transfer of oil from their ports was masterful and extremely effective. The retaliation of Iran against the shipping was expected. What was not expected was China supplying Iran with incredibly effective shore to ship missile systems that threatened these tankers. And ironically, we removed the last of our mine sweeping ships about two months before this started. So we did not have the capability to deal with the mines that Iran was laying and we didn’t anticipate China becoming involved with the undercover or underground supply of these missiles that allowed Iran to effectively threaten the ships to a degree that the ships voluntarily stopped. They could go through, but Iran was very effective at providing the credible threat that shut down those straits. We didn’t anticipate Iran being as effective in that threat as they were. I always tell people in war, the enemy always gets a vote.

You can have the best strategy in the world, you can have the best military in the world, but the enemy always gets an opportunity to react and respond and they almost always react and respond in ways you didn’t anticipate, otherwise you would have planned for it. That’s the very nature of war is the unpredictable chaos that occurs and both sides get a chance to do point, counterpoint, strike, counterstrike. And it always winds up with the side that has thought through the conflict the most effectively being on the top every time. Sun Su taught us this in the art of war. The battle is won before the first arrow is fired.That was true 2000 years ago. It’s true today. Iran has had plenty of time to think about a defensive position because they knew that they couldn’t take on the US military or even the Israeli military head on.

So they found a very effective way to provide counter strike capability. And here’s something else. Russia and China have resupplied Iran very effectively with ICBMs and drones. They’ve reconstituted that and we found out now that they’ve got numerous underground buried launchers that they’ve just uncovered. We now know where they are, but we can’t take them out because we’re not striking them anymore. So Iran did a very good job thinking through how they would respond to an overwhelming strike from the US and we’re seeing the results of that.

The enemy always gets a vote and you can never think of everything.

Sam Rohrer:

People

J.R. McGee:

Who understand that are the ones who are victorious in war.

Sam Rohrer:

J.R., you’re absolutely right. And ladies and gentlemen, in my reading and research, Iran anticipated that our weakness, our weakness was economic. They were weak militarily and they took advantage of that and where and why are we driving forward and I’m going to say bowing to Iran in a lot of regard because it’s the economic part of it. We’ll pick up on this in the next segment. All right. In this segment and thanks for being with us here today, J.R. McGee is my guest and we are dealing with pieces of this larger area of this “Iran peace deal” that came forth out of this weekend and we’ve talked about many parts of it so far. And in this segment, we’re going to talk about what we know because things are happening as we move through the day and you’re going to see things predictable and unexpected things happen during the week, just the nature of it.

Since this is the 39th time the president and the administration has said a deal is at hand and then it doesn’t happen. So the trend is not good, let’s put it that way. But let’s see. Anyway, let’s go forward with what we know because in this segment we’re going to turn to what we’re coming to find out are the components of the deal that the official Trump truth social tweet said and this was what the president said exactly, “The deal is done. Oil and trade flow, oil and trade flow immediately restored.” Okay. Well, first the deal is not done because it’s not scheduled to be signed until Friday. Secondly, it’s not a deal. It’s a memorandum of understanding, which is but a framework. And third, it’s not peace. It is a ceasefire. Okay. All right. Now let’s just start with that. At first glance, the framework appears straightforward.

It’s an immediate multi-front ceasefire. The lifting of the US Naval blockade, the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz, allowing global oil to flow again, that’s theoretically. But when we look more carefully, a deeper structure I think begins to emerge. Here’s an example. According to current reporting, the agreement grants early economic relief. Now these are all key things. Listen carefully. Grants early economic relief to Iran, including access to billions of dollars of funds and restored trade routes. At the same time, it postpones the most difficult issues, particularly Iran’s nuclear program and any long-term sanctions and puts it into a 60 day negotiation phase, which is way down the road and requires an awful lot to happen or not to happen. Okay. What makes this especially significant, I think, is how closely the provisions of this agreement align with the demands that Iran has maintained since the beginning of the conflict on February 28th.

Those include ending military pressure, us meaning the United States, quit pressuring us. Number two, restoring economic access for Iran, maintaining influence over Hormuz, they’re saying we want to keep control of the straight hormones and preserving its nuclear capability at least in limited form. So the key question I think becomes this, is the agreement a durable step toward long-term resolution or a temporary pause that locks in early concessions while deferring the most difficult decisions. Okay. Now, Jay, there’s a whole lot there. We don’t have enough time to go into full detail, but in your opinion, as you’ve been able to consider various emerging details, is the current deals that will be signed Friday theoretically and presented as a peace plan, is it a legitimate foundation for peace or is it just something else as I suggested in my introduction? Jair, are you there?

J.R. McGee:

I’m sorry. I was still on mute and I apologize. There you go. This is clearly a pause and a ceasefire. This is not

A permanent agreement, not in the slightest. There’s also something that we need to remember and take into consideration as Takia. That is an Arabic term that means prudence or survival. The Islamic faith allows you to lie to an opponent to ensure your survival or the promotion of the Islamic faith. You can’t trust them. They will tell you exactly what you want to hear, but they will not follow through with it. There’s all kinds of things going on with this. In terms of what you just said, Iran appears to have gotten everything that they wanted out of this particular MOU and the only thing that I can see that the United States has achieved is the reestablishment of moment of oil through the Straits of Hamus, which was in place before February 28th. I failed to see where this is a victory. In fact, I will go so far as to say America seems to have lost the will and the ability to win.

We have once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. We had Iran on the ropes. We could have crushed them. We could have absolutely ended this forever and it was stopped to the military’s great surprise. I’ve talked with several military friends. They were shocked on April the 8th when Trump stopped them in the middle of what was going to be a very massive attack against some very key critical target arrays in Iran. We seem to have lost the understanding that the only way to achieve true peace is for one side to win and one side to surrender. Iran is claiming this as a total victory. You look at all of their news media, all of the media from the rest of the world Iran legitimately can claim this as a victory. They have survived the military onslaught from both the Israelis and the United States.

They achieved their goals. They still have their nuclear program. They haven’t given it up. They haven’t done anything yet other than agree to let ships pass by their country and international waters. How is that a victory, Sam?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, see, that’s the point. And I want to throw this in here, JR, and then come back and ask you what you see happening next because, and this is one of the things that really hurts the JR from a jeopardy perspective, the credibility of the current administration and the strategy by tweet, which is what we’ve witnessed where there’s only on statement that is taken that prevails and those are the tweets, not the military guys and so forth and you’ve been a part of that. So I mean, that’s one of the things, but when the president says oil immediately restored the flow of oil. Here’s something I think is interesting because I’ve done an analysis on this, but I ran closed the street. We were just talking about that in a military sense, but did they really? But what did they do? They threatened to attack shipping.

But when I went back and I look at the history of this, JR, it wasn’t that they actually sunk ships or anything of that type, but they threatened. And what happened was the insurance market, the Lloyds of London that are the ones that provide insurance for every oil tanker that goes through anywhere in the world and including the Strait of Hormuz, pulled all the insurance. So in effect, the economic market shut the flow of oil because of the threat from Iran. So we can say we took out all of the Iranian ships and we did, but it was really the insurance markets that said, “We don’t want to get caught up in this. ” And the tankers say, “We’re not going to send our tankers through if there is a high risk.” So it’s not even like even if something is signed on Friday that Lloyd’s of London and insurance market are even going to start to renew their insurance for the tankers again.

There’s a lot to happen, bottom line, isn’t there?

J.R. McGee:

Oh, absolutely, Sam. You’re exactly right on your analysis. Iran did fire drones and rockets at some ships and hit a couple of them, but it was mainly the threat that shut that down and the fact that they had these Chinese missiles that made that threat very credible. Now we absolutely destroyed their Navy, absolutely destroyed their Air Force. But here’s the interesting thing, as long as there’s a credible threat, you have to respond to that. The interesting thing is that Iran has spun this in such a way that they are legitimately claiming this as a victory and the rest of the world is saying, okay, maybe that’s true. In fact, the Iranian Foreign Affairs Minister Abas Arigachi just said last night that Iran is committed to a toll-free strait, but they’re still going to impose fees on the ships going through. So this is not anywhere near over and it’s not anywhere near agreed upon.

If you listen to what’s coming out of Iran and you listen to what’s coming out of Washington DC, they’re radically different descriptions of what should be a common agreement, but it doesn’t sound common at all. It doesn’t sound like either side has truly agreed to what this agreement means other than we’ve got a signature, there’s oil that’s going to possibly move forward. The only thing I can see that benefits the United States is oil prices are going to drop, but this threat is not going to go away. This threat is there and I believe it’s going to metastasize and become even worse in the coming days. And I’d love to talk about that more if I get a chance.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Well, you’ve got 30 seconds. What possibly could happen? How do you think it could be worse? And then we can pick up more on the other

J.R. McGee:

Side. I think that the Iranian government is going to come out of this much stronger. They’re going to solidify their hold over their population. If you notice, the protests from the Iranian people have dropped off to nothing. They realize nobody’s coming to save them. Nobody’s going to help them. And Iran is also committed to maintain their proxies with Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthi. Everything that they’ve got is still in place and they’re still going to strengthen it. And now there’s a peace agreement that they can threaten to withdraw from to leverage that over Trump and any future American administration.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, excellent. J.R. Hold that, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because we’re going to wrap this up and we’re going to look at the prophetical aspect as you cannot talk about the Middle East or Iran without looking at prophecy. Well, as we go into our final segment, I mentioned in that last segment just before we made the transition and J.R. And we were talking, you were making some projections based on what is happening and what is not happening. And really what we’re saying is that the peace deal is not far enough along to know that it is a deal. It’s not about peace, at best it’s a ceasefire. But at this juncture, based on what is known, we are on our side, the US side, and I did a study on this this morning with what is laid out as best in one can analyze.

And really every one of the Iranian objectives we are, I’m going to put it in this strong word, capitulating to, which is the basis for why as you were saying in Iranian language on their media and Middle East and most of the world, it is being interpreted right now that they have won. And they said actually from the beginning that really all they Iran needed to do to win was to survive in some respects. But a lot of things have happened to that, but then you were going down the road making some subjections of what you thought could happen, but that is where I want to go here because as believers, we hold to the word of God. We know that God’s plan of redemption is the big picture from creation to the second coming to the millennial kingdom and all of that will happen.

That’s all a part of God’s bigger plan and we read about that in the scripture. The more we are in line to understanding what that is and what he says, the better we are in understanding what is happening now and when we interpret it by faith, we can be very confident about what’s happening. I’m going to suggest that’s a part of why you were saying what you were saying, but let’s start this off right here in this segment. I’d like for you to answer the question raised in my title for today’s conversation and that is this. Since the launch of Epic Fury and all this engagement with Iran, who is better off? Who is better off? And then work into this as well about Israel. What has Israel learned or is learning? And then we’ll conclude by looking at what believers generally should be learning, but kind of put that together and just walk down through that because it’s all tied together.

J.R. McGee:

I would love to, Sam. Just last night Iran has put out some interesting quotes. This is clearly not over. And Iran is coming out of this stronger than where they were when they went in, ironically. Now militarily and from a physical point of view, they’ve lost an awful lot of equipment and a lot of people, but they issued a statement last night, Katam Anabaya, who was a key spokesman, said, “The humiliated enemies have no option but to accept defeat and surrender before people inspired by God and the soldiers of the Almighty.” And then Garababality, who’s also one of the chief governmental spokespersons, said that Iran defeated the US and the military battlefield and Iran’s armed forces will always have their hand on the trigger to confront the conspiracies of the enemies. This is nowhere near over and Iran is going to come out of this not only stronger, but the rest of the Middle East is looking at this and realizing that the opportunity to eliminate Iran is the key threat and the key exporter of terrorism has slipped by.

This is precisely what Saudi Arabia and the UAE in particular were terribly concerned would happen. This is exactly why if you remember shortly before the Kinetics ended on April the 8th, Saudi Arabia and the UAE openly withdrew some support from the United States because they realized that the United States was no longer committed to ending this, that they were going to leave people in place that were going to metastasize this threat that they now have to go deal with. And then you look at Israel, Israel’s very unique and Israel has not been consulted as part of this deal. They’ve not been part of the negotiations and they’re not signatories on this agreement and yet it seems that the United States expects Israel to abide by it. Let me be the first one to tell you Israel has no intentions of abiding by any agreement that places the Israeli people or the Israeli nation in threat.

In fact, the Israeli finance minister Smotrich just said that the deal that was announced Sunday night, he said this morning is bad for Israel and bad for the entire free war period. We will have to continue the campaign to topple the regime ourselves and in creative ways to ensure that Iran will never have nuclear weapons. And here’s where Iran is going to come out of this with serious leverage. If they sign this agreement and Trump wants this peace deal because he’s obsessed with racking up a number of peace deals that aren’t always peace deals, they’re just agreements or documents that have been signed. If they threaten to withdraw, the United States will then put pressure on Israel to stand down and not defend themselves. That gives Iran a serious degree of leverage they didn’t have before this started.

That can only be viewed as a victory that Iran has achieved through all of this that nobody anticipated. I think that Israel has learned that they have to depend on themselves for their own weapons, their own security, their own strategy. October 7th of 2024 proved to them they can’t trust their neighbors and I think this is proving that they cannot trust their allies Israel is going to in the very near future, in fact, probably already today is looking at developing an internal strategy to provide for their own security, their own defense and their own industrialization to manufacture the weapons that they need to defend themselves so that they’re not dependent on a US supply chain or a European supply chain that can be cut off by threats. All of this, Sam, is very significant in how the Israelis are looking at what they have to go do.

Now, the Bible tells us that in Ezekiel’s war and the war of Armageddon, which I believe are two separate wars. The only players in those two wars that are the same are Iran and Russia. Russia comes out of this issue with Ukraine much stronger than they are now and we’re already seeing Iran is going to come out of this situation stronger than they went in. It’s going to take them a little bit of time, but China and Russia are going to build them back up and they are going to be in a key position to perform this alliance that the Bible tells us is going to occur and they will attack Israel again. This is not peace in our time. This is simply an

Sam Rohrer:

Abeyance

J.R. McGee:

Of hostilities while the Iranians and ironically the Russians regroup, rearm, refinance and restore their ability to conduct these initiatives and these campaigns that they’re going to be doing just like the Bible tells us, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

And that’s interesting, J.R. We just won’t have time. We only have about a minute left, but one of the things that I observe when I look at this is that God will bring Israel to the point because that’s the whole purpose of prophecy, ladies and gentlemen. The time of Jacob’s trouble, the tribulation period is God’s intent to bring the nation of Israel, the Jewish people to the point where they have no place to go and no one to look to accept him and that’s in the end of the tribulation period, you’ll have a third of the Jewish people that’ll all be left. The rest will lose lives during that tribulation, but they will recognize Yeshua and say, “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” That’s the trigger for the second coming. And right now, JR, one of the things I think that is most interesting is that Jewish people are looking and saying, “Well, as good as America is, they can’t be trusted.

As good as Trump has been, can’t trust him.” And they’re looking, I think ladies and gentlemen, bit by bit day by day, God is moving the hearts of his people and preparing the entire world for the point where he will bring justice to the Gentile nations of the world and redemption to his people, Israel. We are in exciting times, but we only understand this if we understand biblical prophecy. JR, thanks so much for being with me today. What our program. We could have gone much longer, but we’re out of time. Ladies and gentlemen, see you back here tomorrow, Lord willing.