The Trump Gaza Proposal: A Prophetical Consideration

The Trump Gaza Proposal: A Prophetical Consideration

Feb. 12, 2025

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Dr. Carl Broggi

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 2/12/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s also our bimonthly focus on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy. Now biblically, we know that God’s plan of redemption as one prophetically referenced in Genesis three 15, in that passage there, God informed the serpent that because of his successful temptation to rebellion by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, that God would himself begin the implementation of a plan of redemption and restoration of fallen mankind. And God made it clear that neither Satan nor sin and evil would ever be the ultimate victor in the object of man’s worship. Only God is worthy of worship and he will ensure that this is so. Now, from that point until now, human civilization has witnessed in every age the incremental perfect and undeterred fulfillment of God’s plan of redemption, regardless of the devil’s many attempts to countervail.

Now, for all of us alive today, we’re privileged to live. And as we’ve used the words many times, the latter years of the end days, which began with Christ ascension, we are in those latter years where according to God’s plan of redemption and prophesied unfolding plans, we are literally witnessing are we not an increasing frequency in intensity of changes, signs literally as given to us in scripture, very much like the scripture says of a woman in labor pains. Now, the recent Trump Gaza proposal only in my opinion, focuses the world’s attention on this part of the world. Even more. His meeting with Netanyahu last week, his meeting with the King of Jordan yesterday, and a scheduled meeting with King of Saudi Arabia today accompanied by the president’s threat to Hamas that if they do not release all Israeli prisoners by noon this Saturday, that destruction would rain down upon them.

Well, all of these things together have only served to elevate the focus of the Middle East, specifically focus on Israel. And for those of us who know scripture in biblical prophecy, we see things almost coming to a boiling point. So today’s focus on these things is so very, very relevant. Now my returning guest and friend today is Dr. Carl Broggi, senior pastor of Community Bible Church, Beaufort, South Carolina, host of his own radio program entitled Search the Scriptures with a website@searchthescriptures.org. The title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is this, the Trump Gaza proposal, a Prophetical Consideration. And with that, welcome to the program right now, Dr. Carl Broggi. Carl, thank you for carving out time out of your very, very busy schedule to be back with us.

Carl Broggi:

Sam, I’m truly grateful again for the opportunity to be with you. It’s always a pleasure to dialogue over these most critical issues.

Sam Rohrer:

And Carl, it is indeed as well. And I know, and I’m going to say on behalf of many, many, many listeners that I hear from or have run into in person who specifically have said they so appreciate not just the programs that are done here, but they’ve actually get into following your preaching, which they can do online from your website. And so I just extend that as well because that’s a real blessing. Carl, there are a number of things that I would love to say, and I may save some of them to some assumptions as I perceive what’s taking place in the Middle East on the bold statements by our president. It’s causing nations of the world to actually respond in some regards, not just to the content of what he’s proposed about the Gaza proposal, but almost in regard to how it’s being done.

And the nations of the world are having to say, what are we going to do about this? Because in some respects, Psalms chapter two actually refers to the kings of the Earth. That’s how the biblical terminology, political leaders, economic leaders, those who are making decisions, they’re almost viewing, I think, anyways, the President as somewhat of a king from that perspective, I don’t think viewing himself as a king, but that’s the case. So you’ve got one leader of the world telling other leaders of the world what he’s going to do and forcing all of them to respond. And I find at this point, Carl, that they’re actually kind of determining, are we going to let somebody else tell us what to do first? And then the second part, do we like what he says? Now, I think that’s all a part of it, but that’ll come out I think as we go through discussion today. But from an historical perspective, can you give a history of Gaza who lived there from God’s perspective, who owns Gaza, and why is this an important foundational truth for us all to understand as we approach and consider from a biblical perspective this Gaza proposal?

Carl Broggi:

Well, if any of our listeners look on a map, they’ll see what’s often called the Gaza Strip. It goes back centuries. The Philistines were the people who were occupying it when the Jewish people went into the land of Canaan and they had five major cities, four of whose names continue to this day. So you’ve got Gaza, Ashdod, Eshkalon, Akron, and Gath. Gath no longer exists as a city name. It’s a famous place. Of course, that’s where Goliath was from. But nonetheless, Gaza or the Gaza Strip was run by the Philistines, and the Philistines were not native to that area. They were actually a conquering people. They come from the region of Crete and Cyprus. They’re part of a group of people we often call the sea peoples, and they hated the Jewish people from day one. They wanted to destroy and annihilate the Jewish people from day one.

And God raised up a number of prophets like Amos and Zephaniah and Zechariah and Isaiah who spoke about the judgment that would come on these people. So you had King David, of course, Sam, who weakened them significantly. Solomon continued to weaken their power, but it’s not until as God predicted that the Babylonians would come and destroy them. And so Nebuchadnezzar comes about the sixth century BC and he conquers them. And so they’re assimilated into other cultures and after a while they no longer exist. So sometimes you’ll hear people say, well, the Philistines are alive in the Gaza Strip. Nothing could be further from the truth. They no longer exist as a people. Now there’s a group of people there that we often call Palestinians, but understand that the term Palestinian has taken on a new meaning in the last 40 years, especially the term, as we’ve discussed in prior programs, goes all the way back to the Emperor Hadrian. He used it to mock the Jewish people. They again, the Philistines, one of their chief enemies cohabitated a region we call today the Gaza Strip, Palestinia. And so he renamed that area. And so we have today the Palestinians, but initially it was a geographical term. And so before the Israel became a nation, Jews and Arabs were called Palestinians. And when they became a nation in 48, the people, Jews and Arabs and other ethnic groups were called Palestinians until they renamed them Israelis, not Israelites, but Israelis

Sam Rohrer:

Israel. Okay, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, special guest today, Dr. Carl Broggi back with me, our theme, the Trump Gossip proposal, a Prophetic Consideration, and this is another part of our regular Israel Middle East and Prophetical Biblical Prophecy series. David, we’ll be right back. Well, if you’re just joining us today, thank you. And again, if you are, our theme today is this, the Trump Gaza proposal. It’s all over the news, right? A prophetical consideration. And this is our bimonthly emphasis that we do twice a month, the Lord willing on Israel, the Middle East and biblical prophecy because they’re all connected. And my guest today returning guest, Dr. Carl Broggi, senior pastor of Community Bible Church in Beaufort, South Carolina. He’s got a website, search the scriptures.org. You can find a lot of information there. Carl, in the last segment, I asked you to give a brief history of Gaza, which you did.

So if you’re just joining us, you didn’t pick that up, go back and listen to the program and you can also pick up the transcript as well that will be there for you. But Carl, the next thing I want to ask you as a foundational concept, which really undergirds everything we’re talking about in the Middle East and biblically, it’s called the Abrahamic Covenant as a part of God’s unfolding plan of redemption that referred to Genesis three 15. God went to Abraham, people know that and made a promise. He talked to him about things. And here’s my question. Can you define the Abrahamic covenant, the essential elements that are within it and how it’s important that we understand this? So it guides our understanding of today’s increasing focus on Israel Middle East and the Gaza.

Carl Broggi:

Well, it’s so important because just as God used the Jewish people to bring about the first coming of Messiah, he will use them to bring about the second coming, and it all revolves around the Abrahamic covenant. And there are people today, sadly in reform theology, and I’m a reformist and that I believe in the five solas. But with that term today, there’s a new avenue that says that the church has replaced Israel. There’s no significance to the promises God made to Abraham, but the covenant is found in Genesis 12, one to three. God says, get up and leave Abraham and I’ll show you where you’re going to go. Doesn’t even know where he picks up his family. He leaves in faith, he walks nearly 2000 miles and he arrives in a patch of land and God says, this is the place I want you to live at.

We call it Israel today. He says, I’ll make you a great nation. And the Hebrew people became a great nation, and they’re still a great nation today. We still talk about them. They’re on the news almost every day. And in you, all the families of the earth will be blessed. That’s my family. That’s your family, Sam, why? Because, well, number one, the Jewish people gave us this book. Paul reminds us in Romans three that the Oracles of God, the scriptures came from the Jews. Every author, including Luke was a Jew who gave us the Bible. Salvation is from the Jews. Jesus is a Jew. So people have problems with Jews, have problems with Jesus. He’s the Savior of the world. And so then he says, and I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse someone who curses you. And my heart beats fast every time I hear some report from our government that they’re standing with Israel or they’re against Israel.

And so God says it, there’s no and ifs or buts about it. He reaffirms it in Genesis 15 where he alone walks through dead animals in a dream that Abraham has showing that it has nothing to do with Abraham, nothing to do with the nation. It’s what we would call a unilateral covenant. It has everything to do with God that he’s going to keep the promise. So it involves a land of seed and a blessing. And even the land dynamics are given in scripture, the geographical boundaries, the Jewish people have never, ever owned and occupied fully the land that God gave. In fact, if you look at Israel today, it’s just a sliver of land. But if you look at the actual dimensions that God promised, it’s quite a big place and that is yet to be fulfilled. But God keeps every promise that he has made and he will keep this covenant concerning the land that he promised a seed concerning Abraham’s descendants and a blessing that all the families of the world can be blessed through the Jewish people because Messiah comes through them.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, that is excellent. Carl, let me move directly into that. You’ve used the word land real estate. Actually the President used we’re going to turn the Gaza into a real estate project. Interesting. We’re talking land and you talked about boundaries, which means land. That’s a part of Abraham’s covenant. Let me ask you this question here. Why does God oppose seemingly opposes all proposals to tamper with his real estate? In other words, the promised land that’s given to Abraham and not to divide the land or the city of Jerusalem, that’s all part of that whole thing. But it seems like every time, at least the US President and maybe others have talked about dividing the land, significant things have happened. Here’s the question, why is land property lines inheritances when it comes to Israel so important to God and therefore a warning to all nations in all times, including Israel, not to give up the ground and all that, put that together. Why is that so important to God?

Carl Broggi:

Well, really because salvation’s story, salvation’s future history takes place on a piece of property just as it did in the first coming. The Messiah was prophesied to come to Israel, to be born in Bethlehem, to die in the city of Jerusalem, to rise from the dead there. It all was fulfilled and God is going to complete the history of salvation that is yet future through that same piece of property. And so when God gave the land, he gave again the dimensions in places like Genesis 15:18 never yet been fulfilled, but he’s going to keep his promise. He said, I’ll give it to your descendants as an everlasting possession. And so God speaks also in Ezekiel 37 for this reason because it’s their land and God gave it that he would regather them and put them back in the land. In fact, Christ cannot return until the people who are physically in the land of Israel say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

That’s what he taught at the end of Matthew 23. That is yet to happen. We don’t think about that often, but God makes a promise in this passage. I’ve just turned to Joel chapter three, and this is a coming judgment and there is a number of judgments that are still in the future. And God said in verse two, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehosaphat. If you are standing on the Mount of Olives today and looking across the valley to the temple Mount, what we call today, the Kidron Valley, that’s the valley of Jehosaphat in the Old Testament, then I will enter into judgment with them there on my behalf of my people and my inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and they have divided up my land. God owns the land, he gave it to the Jewish people, but he calls it my land.

And so to mess with Israel, the prophet Zechariah, as does Moses and Deuteronomy is to basically toy with the apple of his eye. So it’s important to God because people are important to God. The nations, not just the Jews, but the Gentiles are important to God because God is going to complete salvation history where this gospel, the kingdom shall go out to the whole world through the Jewish people in the end times. So to mess with Israel is to mess with God’s land and that future judgment, there are different avenues in which God will judge people, but God will go all the way back through the history of Israel and people who sought to divide God’s land and people who sought to scatter God’s people. That is going to be a demonstration of their unbelief and it will be part of the judgment that God will bring before in the end, he cast people into the lake of fire.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, that’s great, Carl. Now that you’ve emphasized it’s God’s land, ultimately his city, he talks about it in Jerusalem and it’s a promise to Abraham, but you’re tampering with God himself when you’re talking about the land. Now that brings me to this next question and this somewhat difficult in some regards here, but I want to ask you this because I’m thinking now we’re considering the Gaza proposal under the Trump Gaza proposal. He’s the stated many, many times we the US will take over or own and use those words very clearly own Gaza. Now, a later piece of that clarified or changed somewhat about a week ago was that Israel would give Gaza to the United States. But in any event, whether Israel gives it, we take it or however we get ahold of it, if we own it or we have it, what’s the real difference? What’s the substantive difference between us taking it or Israel giving it or a two-state solution where it’s split off and some other nation takes a part of what is in the promised land to Israel?

Carl Broggi:

Well, number one, I think our president is realistic that the people who’ve occupied the Gaza Strip can’t reoccupy it because they have one commitment and that is to destroy Israel from the river to the sea, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, Palestine shall be free, meaning the Jewish people should be off the land and annihilated. And so a two-state solution doesn’t work. And the last administration Trump sought that within two weeks, COVID came upon us and a short time later, Netanyahu was out of office. And so I hope maybe our president will have better counsel this time around. Now if he means by, Hey, we’re going to go into Gaza and we’re going to use American businesses and we’re going to level the place and make it into a great resort area for the nations of the world to enjoy, fantastic if that’s what he means by it.

And again, I hear different reports and different reads. The Netanyahu didn’t even know he was going to say that the guy is a negotiator and I don’t know if he’s just throwing something out there or not. And I’m grateful for our president, let me just say that I don’t want people to think I’m against our president. He’s defunded Planned Parenthood. He’s defined a gender between a male and female only. He’s prioritized fish over humans. He’s removed boys out of women’s sports. He’s got a number born again Christians that work for him. He’s released the arm to Israel, but he needs wisdom and counsel that we need to pray for on how to deal with that piece of property or we as Americans will be in trouble.

Sam Rohrer:

Absolutely. And ladies and gentlemen, that is why we’re looking at this entire thing prophetically. We’ll be back and we’ll continue the conversation. Well, before we go Carl into a little this a little bit deeper, let me come back and I just clarify one part of the last discussion in the last segment, you made it very, very clear about the Abraham a covenant, God’s promise to Abraham. But it was God’s promise really to all of humanity, Gentile and Jew, that God’s plan of redemption, the telegraphed in Genesis three 15 was going to come about and this was a part of how it works out. But the ground we talked about so important, the city, the people, the land, land has boundaries, land has possession, God gave it. So therefore anybody who tampers with that dividing it or trying to take it walk right into the protective hand of God who is the maintainer of promises. That’s why things become really significant. Now, to that extent, let me jump back and just clarify if in fact the terminology that has been used in the proposal that the United States would own, and that’s the key word, legal own, own the word, the word’s been used own or Israel would give the ground to the United States if those terms are defined own or give, become the ownership of at that point, I want to clarify, that does become a problem, correct?

Carl Broggi:

Absolutely. If that’s what our president means, again, he’s the great negotiator. He throws out dramatic statements and then pulls back. But if that were to happen, that would initially be disastrous for Israel, it would be disastrous for its leadership, it would be disastrous for America, does not mean that God won’t fix the problem. They did this in the last administration within two weeks. Covid was upon the world, Netanyahu was out of office. I don’t think that’s by accident and the history of those who try to divide Israel have a history of great heartache and problem

Sam Rohrer:

Indeed.

Carl Broggi:

So I don’t know where that’s going to go, but yes, that would be my quick answer.

Sam Rohrer:

And ladies and gentlemen, just so you know, the reason I kind of bear down on things and talk about defining terms is because I come at this piece of the equation from my experience as being in public office in the legislature in Pennsylvania and making laws words mean things. So if I’m going to take words at what they mean and words that are used own or give my ears perk up, and that was the reason for the questioning here. And so I just want to establish that there’s a reason that I’m bearing down on that I don’t yet know. But if that occurs, then we have trouble because of the reasons we laid out. Now here’s my next question here to you Carl, and there’s a number of places we could go, but let me because of time just move into this other area. There’s a lot of considerations, but one here is this.

Clearly Israel is getting tired of war. Who doesn’t? War is fatiguing, it’s fatiguing, its people, it’s wearing down its economy. And with the election of Donald Trump versus Harris for instance, it does give Israel a bit of a reprieve, no doubt about it. And that’s a good thing. The dominance of President Trump and the United States over Israel, both in terms of economic and military aid as an ally in battle, Israel and her leadership have expressed increasing concern though that neither America nor Trump nor the United Nations or anyone continued to view Israel as some type of a protectorate. It’s easy for nations in alliance like this, easy for people in the United States to say, well, Israel does our bidding because we give them money. In fact, we do. But also Israel’s leadership are also saying, wait a minute, because that happens. We do not want to become a servant to anybody else.

And so that discussion is actually occurring right now. Now here would be a question. Israel’s got to do what’s best for them, and they’re talking about that more and more. Does the Trump Gaza proposal hold within it as far as you would say, a temptation for Israel to look to America or even to Donald Trump as their protector or the Gaza proposal to rebuild as perhaps a bribe for Israel to give up land? In other words, Israel wants peace. Every American president has wanted peace and they’ve tried to do the various things. But do you see within this a potential temptation perhaps not of a good sort at all for Israel to consider what’s being laid out here?

Carl Broggi:

Well, it’s certainly easy to be bribed, and there’s coming today when the master Briber will be on the planet, he’s known as the antichrist, and he will convince Israel as a nation to go his way for the sake of peace. Certainly Netanyahu has a lot of backbone, and of course they had purchased quite a bit of artillery that was not released under the Biden administration. They kept holding back, they kept holding back on Intel, and yet he held his ground. So I have to admire him and respect him for that. Certainly he wanted the blessing of the United States. They just approved a 7 billion purchase of new armaments from the us. They need that and we need them, by the way, because much of the technology is refined through the Israelis who use it. At least that’s what the F 35 pilots saw that I encounter with here in my community. Tell me they mastermind and field test a lot of those things. But yes, it could be very easy for them to yield in the wrong way. But again, God is sovereign. Even if they’re going to do that, God is going to accomplish his purpose through the nation of Israel in the end.

Sam Rohrer:

And with that, Carl, I think people can understand and what we’re talking about are real things and therefore in the desire for peace, let’s just talk about that because you talk about at some point, let’s take the Prophetical component and say, if you could take the balance of this segment of time and lay out what will happen at some point relative to peace in a peace treaty from where it comes and what we know biblically describe the circumstances around which this peace treaty will come forth and Israel we’ll take it.

Carl Broggi:

Well, it’s highlighted primarily in the Old Testament in Daniel chapter nine. It’s called the 70 weeks prophecy. And the Jewish people have not just a week of days as we do, but they have a week of years. And so he speaks of 70 sevens or 490 years and he follows through with this 483 year period that bring us to Palm Sunday when the Messiah enters Jerusalem and officially says, I am the promised Messiah. That was a prophetic mathematical date given the Old Testament, it’s an incredible prophecy. Only God could have written that in advance, but like with many Old Testament prophecies contained in them, there’s a whole segment of events that will take place. Christ walks into the synagogue in Nazareth and he reads just a portion of Isaiah 61 that deal with his first coming and he says, this is fulfilled in your presence today.

The second half of that verse will be fulfilled at the second coming. And so the final seven years of that 490 year prophecy is going to be fulfilled through Israel, through a one world leader who will come onto the scene. There are over 30 titles given the man, the son of Perdition, the son of lawlessness, most famously, most people know him as the antichrist. And this man, the antichrist, the beast will offer Israel a peace treaty of sorts and they will agree to it. And that will actually start the clock ticking for the final seven years that will lead to this second coming. And so he’s called a man of peace and people say, well, maybe that’s Trump. It’s not Trump. He won’t be revealed until the day of the Lord begins. And the day of the Lord does not begin until the church is removed.

And the person who is the antichrist is what’s called a little horn. He’s a diminutive person. He’s unknown, but he’ll come on the scene and in a short time, he’ll have worldwide recognition. And one of the reasons is is because Paul says in two Thessalonians that his coming is displayed with signs, wonders in miracles with the activity of Satan. So he’s a miracle man. And people are going to say, wow, we need this, especially in light of what has happened and the world turmoil that has unfolded through millions of believers across the world, which probably is a principle reason why America is not named in prophecy as such. Because when that happens, America will basically crumble in my humble opinion, but he’ll come with a diluting influence. And this unknown man who will be known during this seven year period will offer a treaty with Israel, and that will begin the clock ticking in the middle of the seven year period.

He’ll go into a rebuild temple that assumes Israel is back in the land that assumes that they want to rebuild the temple. All of that is true, and he’ll defile it, making himself out to be God. And the Jewish people will realize this guy is a fake and imposter, and those who recognize that will flee to the wilderness. I think Petra God will protect them. And so there’s a whole number of events that are going to unfold here in the future. It’s actually remarkable. Prophecy is history pre-written and God has written about it all in advance.

Sam Rohrer:

And we’re at the break. I’ll pick up on this and we’ll come back, Carl, but the things that we have mentioned here, and we’ll do this in the next segment, but the question was based on all that we see and the evidences of prophecy fulfilled to this moment, can that day of peace treaty offered to Israel, can that day of the rapture be that far off? Anyway, I’m going to get Dr. Carl Bro’s thoughts on that because it’s appropriate to consider these things and ask the questions of what we see about us. So we’ll be back in just a moment. Stay with us and we will return in just a few minutes. Well, just a reminder to all who are listening to us, and thank you. If you are hearing me right now, thanks for being a part of the program today. We wouldn’t exist without you.

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Carl Broggi, in the last segment, you brought up the reference to the United States, and you mentioned the rapture, which I happen to agree with. If the rapture were to occur today, the only nation in the world that it would dramatically affect as in causing a collapse would be the United States. It’s not going to affect China, although there are many believers there. They’re not in positions of authority. Same thing with Russia all through Europe the same way. No South American country. We are the only nation where that would occur. And boy, boy would it create a world and a global chaos, a perfect scene. Now, it may not be the event that triggers this man of sin to come forward with the seven year peace treaty with Israel, but it sure could. But in any regard, go further on this just a little bit. You referenced America that we weren’t around, but this is a question, something I want to ask you Biblically and prophetically, the United States there or not there, and this part of it as well. It’s very easy, Carl, you’ve traveled the world. I have too. It’s very interesting and it’s easy to understand, I suppose. But for American Christians in this nation, the way God has blessed all of that, to tend to think that we are the essential component of the entire world, and that if we were not here, the world would cease to exist as an example, or that God’s plan revolves around this nation and us who are alive. Now, put that into perspective as we try to wrap this program up.

Carl Broggi:

Well, certainly when God speaks prophetically, he speaks largely in reference to a single nation that is Israel. Maybe the impact other nations might try to bring against Israel, but Israel, not the United States or any other country is a central focus of prophecy. Now, I do agree with that. If the rapture were to take place, that Israel would suffer initially because of our strong relationship with her, but America would collapse. There’d be immediate political instability because so many people, even in the Trump government, he has hired a lot of Christians, some who are very good, some who are baby Christians, some who are really odd dominion theology people. But there are a lot of believers in the government that would bring great instability. There’d be a moral collapse because we’re basically the last voice of righteous living. And we were fast losing that voice under the last administration, but at least there’s some noise that we’re still making.

But if America’s gone, there would be economic collapse, there would be moral collapse, and it would be a perfect environment for the antichrist to step on the scene. But again, it takes place through Israel. And the fact that Israel is back in the land tells you that we’re in the final timeframe of human history because God prophesied that at the end of time, he would gather them from across the world. He predicted, look, you obey me. I’ll bless you. You’ll prosper. If you disobey me, I’ll scatter you to the ends of the earth. That never happened in the old covenant times. Jesus identified the timeframe in Luke 21. It will happen when Titus comes and he destroys the temple, and then you’re going to be scattered across the planet. And that happened. And then God said, at the end of time, I will regather you from across the world and put you back in the land. And Israel’s the only nation that has been scattered longer than a hundred years that came back and were the same people. And we spoke earlier, the Philistines, and they became dissipated and became part of other nations. But Israel remained a nation, and God had a plan for doing that through the feasts that they celebrated in a certain schedule that they were on. It is remarkable. It’s miraculous. And here they are back in the land because God is going to fulfill the final close of his prophetic schedule through them as a people.

Sam Rohrer:

And Carl, there are so many more questions that I know that people have that I would have as well, such as, for instance, what does it really mean to bless Israel, to curse Israel, for God to say, if you do that, I’m going to bless you, curse you, questions like that. Or for those many who hold to the fact that we must bring in the kingdom, the millennial kingdom and put the attention on what we do rather than how God works with Israel, there’s a lot of places that we could go, but in the last minute, just because of time, bring this all together, that for those who have eyes open, us listening right now watching what is unfolding and seeing even this Gaza proposal, which focuses everything again back on Israel, the nation’s surrounding Israel and everything that we’re talking about, and how should true believers prioritize their perspective about what’s happening and their choices about where to focus their time and their thoughts and their prayer. What would you say?

Carl Broggi:

Well, I believe God has given us a reprieve here for a moment to share the gospel more openly. I was very, very concerned if the Biden administration continued that broadcasts like this, that radio stations like the one our church owns, would be able to continue without being hammered by the FCC because there were people who were engaged in the higher levels of politics who basically wanted to obliterate the Christian message as a form of hate speech. We here, we have the opportunity to share the gospel. We should do everything in our power to take this freedom, and we need to pray for our president. Our president is making some good decisions. Some of it’s just common sense. Hey, there’s two genders, male and female. How difficult that can that be? Hey, we shouldn’t have men trampling over little girls and teenagers and athletics so that they can take away all the hard-earned work of these young ladies.

That’s common sense. That’s what we might call natural revelation, the law of God that has been written into man’s hearts. But then there’s the aspect of specific revelation that I think he lacks, but he’s got some people around him who potentially can help him. JD Vance, he’s a Roman Catholic. We should pray for him. I don’t think he’s a Christian nationalist though. He met with a number of them hoping to get the vote for Trump. You got Pete Hegseth, he’s a part of a church in Minnesota. I would call him a baby Christian, but he recognizes the importance of Israel, as does his pastor, Paula White. Now she’s really out there. She’s just been named and appointed to lead the White House Faith office. She’s bizarre. She embraces Dominion Theology seven Mountain Mandate, all this stuff that Beth El and Hillsong are laying out there. So we need to pray for our president that he would get good counsel in some of these particular areas. And I think he’s open. I think the guy’s heart has been softened and awakened even through this experience of being nearly assassinated.

Sam Rohrer:

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Carl Broggi:

With that, that’s one thing we can do.

Sam Rohrer:

Absolutely. And with that, we’re at the end of the program, ladies and gentlemen. Dr. Carl Broggi, thank you so much for being with me today. So much more we could have gone over, but so much also able to be covered. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us Again. Pick up this program again on our website or on our app, stand in the Gap app and bring up the transcript, which is almost immediately available. Read through that a lot of information. Then you can take an underline. I know people do that. Listen to that in addition to the program. God bless you, Lord willing, we’ll see you back here tomorrow.