II vs AI: “Imitation Intellect” vs “Artificial Intelligence”
March 3, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Marlene McMillan
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 3/3/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and actually it’s this first Monday, is it not of the third month of 2025? I don’t know about you, but boy, time does fly. Well, thank you for being with me today. As I trust that you’ll stay with us the entire hour, there’ll be a lot of information shared as Dr. Marlene McMillan, who’s been with me before. She’s an educator, conference speaker and author of Mountains of Deceit, how the Dialectic Process has infected the culture. She wrote that book and she’s on others too. But we’re going to today consider a slice. We can’t consider the entire thing. It’s too big, but consider further aspects of the quickly, I’m going to use the word metastasizing beast system Technology of these end days referred to generally as AI or artificial intelligence. Now, Dr. McMillan has been with me on numerous times before, as I’ve said, as we’ve discussed matters of truth and liberty.
That’s where she is in that area. It applies to a lot of things. We have identified and discussed various orchestrated efforts of Marxism, communism, globalism, secular humanism in their efforts to implement strategies of propaganda designed to distract, deceive, and counterfeit God as the author of truth, Jesus Christ as the truth and the Word of God as the written truth. That’s what it comes down to. Now, the title I’ve chosen for today’s program is this, II as AI imitation Intellect. I’m calling it II versus artificial Intelligence. And believe it or not, imitation intellect or synonyms for artificial intelligence, but one makes it sound positive. Artificial intelligence, imitation intellect makes it sound more like or think it really is. Anyways, we’ll explain some of that today, but before we jump into this focus, let me just say that as I’ve been saying for the well since the first of the year, that the election of Donald Trump would bring change and more change, but with so much changes that the outcomes at any one point in time would not be known, and that’s certainly where we are.
One of those occurrences happened over the weekend, as we all know, with the interaction between the president, vice President Vance and Ukraine, president Vladimir Zelinski, and I could talk a long time on that, but I’ll just say this, I’ll probably talk more about this on Thursday of this week, and definitely a week from today as a whole lot more is going to be happening as a result of that, when JR McGee joins me again on that day, that’ll be a Monday, a week from today. However, that being said, that meeting sent more ripples around the world, bringing the world closer to war. If you’re noticing then closer to peace and with promised tariffs being put into place tomorrow against many nations that will further work to destabilize the entire world, change, change, change. Now, suffice it to say God is moving the hearts of kings, both political and economic to accomplish God’s purposes and most of those in a process have no idea.
So while we observe increasingly volatile human action and reaction, even those who think they are in charge are but pawns in the hand of almighty God, and that should be very confidence building for us as believers because we know where things are heading and we know how they will end. So with that, let’s be fixed on holy living, ensuring the good news of Jesus Christ while we anticipate his soon return. I think I’m just going to leave that there for right now. That’s how we should be, but I’m going to bring in Dr. Marlene McMillan right now. Marlene, thanks for being back with me.
Marlene McMillan:
Oh, thank you for having me. I love your audience and your format, and it’s just a delight to be here. Thank you.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, you’re welcome. It’s great to have you back. Let’s get right into it. What would appear to be the recent advent I’m going to say of AI as a digitized technology? In reality, it’s not really that new because it’s been developed within the military industrial complex. It’s actually in place, it’s been embedded, already integrated into every aspect of the internet, cell phone media, digitized communication of all types, and to me, it’s just now really blossoming and coming into its ability to conduct total surveillance and control. And in fact, what is known as AI singularity, that’s the name of singularity, that’s where AI intelligence exceeds human intelligence is literally imminent, I think if not already, perhaps already there. Now, to me, an observer’s, a biblical prophecy, this fits perfectly perhaps as the heart of the beast system because it provides an ability to consolidate global control of literally everything from finances to all things economics, to communication to everything. So it brings us to this big, big issue. Now that being said, I’d like for you to provide your definition of AI, what it is, what it’s not, and just lay a foundational thought in the last couple of minutes of this program and then we’ll build it out through the balance of today’s program.
Marlene McMillan:
Okay, so most of the audience here knows about the term dialectic process, whether you know the term or not. You understand that people use words and language to change the culture. Now, we’ve been talking about that for a long time. On page 11, in my book, mountains of Deceit, I describe the steps of the dialectic, and what I want you to see is that artificial intelligence is the dialectic process on steroids. Now, part of the goal of the dialectic is to move people to a predetermined consensus. In other words, to make you draw a conclusion that you thought of, you thought totally all by yourself, it’s your own idea. I think for myself, when in reality you were pre-programmed to draw that conclusion. And so we’re going to talk even about how to make yourself less programmable, and what I want you to see is what AI does is it has premises, okay? It’s set up with a mindset, and what is that mindset? Well, at best, it reduces the Bible to opinion. In other words, it says, oh, we are here to give you many narratives. We’re going to give you many options, many opinions, but of course those are narratives different from God’s narrative. So what is going on is it reduces the Bible and God’s voice to that of opinion, making it equal with other voices.
Oh, excuse me.
Sam Rohrer:
That’s okay, Marlene, just hold that clear your voice right there. We’re at a break right now. Anyways, we’ll come back. Ladies and gentlemen, if you’re just tuning in, the theme today is this, I’m going to determine I as ai, I meaning imitation intellect versus artificial intelligence. They’re synonymous terms for the same thing, but it puts a different slant on them, doesn’t it? Words mean things. My special guest is Dr. Marlene McMillan been with me many times before, the author of Mountains of Deceit, how the dialectic process has infected the culture when it come back. We’re going to go further into this matter called ai, it’s design in its strategy. Well, as you have said, Marlene and I have referred to in the last segment, and we know artificial intelligence is a human designed, well, I could say technology because it involves that, but it’s more according to AI chat GPT, and I’m going to explain what that means because people hear that, but don’t know what it means.
I’m going to just say what they have defined it to be. It allows people to interact with AI technology. You can go in and do an awful lot of things, ask questions, and it’ll come back with a report. It’ll come back with an analysis and based on, well, what it is, but this is what they say. GPT means AI chat, GPT. They say this G equals generative or the ability to generate text based on learned patterns. The P stands for pre-trained, where vast amounts of material have been fed into the system by people from many languages and topics. That’s what they say. So that’s GP, and then the T means transformer. Where this refers, this is their definition refers to the type of neural network architecture. Now, according to AI itself, its pre-training includes the worldview of its human creators, and it operates based on algorithms because it’s a computer based system.
So algorithms is how it’s put together, but people write it. One key conclusion I want to share here with you, Marlene, and then get into the question one key conclusion written by ai, artificial intelligence itself, ai, GPT Chat particular says this about its programming and foundational principles upon which it is designed. This is what they say, and it goes to what you were referring to in the last segment. Here it says, while AI programming in its current form is primarily based on secular humanist principles, there are certain areas such as human dignity, equality, and respect for life where its goals, its AI goals align with biblical teachings. Now that sounds good, but it’s not, and it goes on. They say this. However, there are also significant conflicts with biblical morality, especially on issues such as marriage, sexuality, and sin, because their definition, because the AI’s values are largely secular and do not incorporate divine authority or biblical moral law end.
So in AI’s own words, artificial intelligences, own words, it says exactly what you just said in that it marginalizes God’s word. But they said in another language is sometimes that it aligns with Bible, but it’s not at all linked to it, and the Bible is not. It’s guiding principles. So when I look at that, Marlene, to me, it’s like it goes right to the very root problem of ai, and that is by its design, it’s based on secular humanism and by its design, refutes the existence of God as creator, the reality of absolute truth as defined by God, the reality of sin. Therefore, there is no need for a redeemer. Therefore, I make the conclusion by design, it is antichrist and a deceiver. Now, those are just my thoughts. Now, mark, you’ve done a great deal of research and speaking on it. You take the balance of this segment if you want, expand and add anything you feel is relevant to the design of ai, either in technology or the underpinning tactical nature of the design philosophy behind it, it’s all yours now.
Marlene McMillan:
Okay, so most of our listeners know the characteristics of God. Somewhere along the line, you were taught that God is omniscient, meaning he’s all knowing, he’s omnipotent, he’s all powerful, and he’s omnipresent, meaning he’s everywhere. So if someone wants to be as God, which is what we’re warned about, all through the scripture of us wanting to stand in the place of God or replace him or put ourselves where we can make our own decisions so we can decide to decide which is where the sin is, is even deciding to decide that if we can decide to make our own decisions and that we can choose which truth is right for us and which is our truth and not your truth, all of that kind of thinking, basically what AI is doing is fitting right into that because the massive collection of data in order to social engineer a whole population requires massive data, which means it has to be all knowing.
It has to gather up everything, not just a portion of your life, not just your banking or not just your information in other areas, but even what you eat, what your children like, how things work, your energy consumption of your appliances, everything has to be tracked. And then we’re going to skip to the next one. That means in order to track everything, it has to be everywhere. So that’s why it’s embedded in our devices, and the more dependent we get on our devices, the more programmed we become, and then the result of that makes this whole thing more powerful. So the key words that we want to tune into, and we’ll develop this more, but where I want to set the stage here is for two words, is that artificial intelligence is a tool of both technocracy and transhumanism. So what does that mean? What is that? Well, technocracy is transforming the world. Transhumanism is transforming the people who will live there.
The goal, if you read even the goals of sustainable development and all back to the United Nations, and you can look back at this stuff for a hundred years, and it sounds so preposterous. So the people who talk this way, then, oh, other people just wrote them off as crazy or how could that be? Or that’ll never happen here. But folks, now, it’s not only happening, but many times it’s been Christians who have helped it happen because they did not know what the dialectic process is and how it works in social engineering. So this is a massive, you are living in a massive psycho political experiment that really isn’t that much of an experiment because the results are predictable. So how do we understand that? Well, techno is a replacement economic system for free market economics. In other words, they don’t want you to be able to choose who you sell to.
They don’t want you to have private contracts. They want to have all these contracts that already have. The rules are already built in, so you don’t get to make your own rules. And this comes under different names like sustainable development, green economy, and our smart meters and smart growth and all of that. Now, most of you, if you go to buy a washing machine, what do you do? Well, I had a friend that had just a very nice washing machine. She kept it running for like 20 years, finally couldn’t get parts, so they quit making the parts that’s plant. Then her old washer took 20 minutes and the clothes were clean, so she had to buy a new washer and she was able to afford it. So she bought the top of the line, front loading, expensive, gorgeous, beautiful. That washer and dryer cost her more than her first car.
It takes an hour to load for every load. You can’t even turn the buzzer off. One of our friends actually had to reprogram his because he has a baby and he had to reprogram it, which the average person couldn’t do to stop the buzzer. It has a manual that took two of us that are fairly intelligent people to read, and we still couldn’t figure out all the cycles, bells and whistles. Now, that wouldn’t be so bad to have a smart washer with all of you could maybe put up with all that, but what do you think the bottom line is? The clothes don’t get clean. We often have to run a second load. So my answer is, give me a dumb washer, DUMB, give me a dumb washer instead of a smart washing machine any day. And so why can we not buy a dumb washer that just washes the clothes instead of a smart washing machine that tracks the energy?
Because this is part of the tracking of everything. This is part of this technocracy that wants to basically rule the world, and they believe that they’re smarter and more capable. This is Davos, the Davos elite, the Klaus Schwabs of the world, the fourth industrial revolution, the fourth Reich, R-E-I-C-H, is what they call themselves. I didn’t make that up, so I want people to really see that if there’s some good that can be done with AI, and we’ll get into that. But I want you to see that we have been already programmed to accept the idea that somebody else has to decide, and then the people have to be changed from knowing individuality before God, knowing your kingdom purpose, knowing God’s design for you, knowing his providence, and that you have a kingdom purpose. You are on the earth for such a time as this, and instead of finding your kingdom purpose, all this programming and learning especially, is to get children to be, their purpose becomes to serve the state.
Sam Rohrer:
Ladies and gentlemen, you get the idea driving to bondage, quit it another way, not liberty, the exact opposite of that by design. And that’s the important thing. By design, it’s not just an advancement, it is a strategic effort to change the way we live and think. When we come back, we’re going to talk a little bit more about helpful things and harmful things. Well, if you’re just joining us right now, thanks for being on board. This is Stand In the Gap Today. I’m Sam Rohr, special guest today, Dr. Marlene McMillan. Well, she does a lot. She’s an author, she’s a speaker, she’s a writer, has done a book, and we’ve talked about it on this program before, mountains of Deceit, how the dialectic process has infected the culture. And our theme today is this. We’re talking about artificial intelligence and what Dr. McMillan is doing and has already done is effectively taken this and said, could view AI as a facilitator of the dialectic process, but on steroids more or less.
And that helps to position what we’re talking about. She has a website, white Liberty Matters, a lot of material there. I put that before you, why Liberty matters.com for more information about her and what she’s done. You can find Marlene excellent in that last segment and taking and boiling down a very, very big, big, big issue and putting it into a simple form for people to understand. A lot of times people hear artificial intelligence. Some people are just scared away by the word computer. So we have a range of listeners. The younger folks would be far more up to date. They’ve grown up with it. Some of the older folks don’t really like it, don’t understand it. So when we hear something like artificial intelligence, it’s kind of like, what in the world is that? So we’ve tried to define it, kind of describe where it came from, and I’m not going to go back and go through that, but in the last segment you were talking about that in essence, as I’ve said, it sounds like, well, man, who has always wanted to be God.
And there are aspects designed into artificial intelligence that really makes it look like it is a counterfeit God all knowing, all present omnipresent. And really that’s what it is almost becoming. Now, one thought before I go in to ask you to identify if there are benefits, what they are and the harmful aspects. But just to comment on this because when you say, which is true to be all knowing there has to be a capacity for the grabbing, the assimilating in order for this thing, this artificial to analyze and really know everything about a person from smart meters outside the house to smart appliances, to even what’s coming off of your car. When you stand in a new car, you put your phone in there, it transmits frankly your entire address list to the sky. We’re being tracked in everything. Where does that information go? And I put before you right now that the Chinese have been doing that with the tracking of their people and their social credit scores for a long time.
But we’ve talked about on this program, but your comment here, but a day after the president was inaugurated our president, he convened a meeting with big billionaires and the intent was, and the statement was to facilitate a half a billion, 500 billion investment in AI data centers across the country. And the other guys there like Larry Ellison and all that basically said what it would do, it would consolidate all fusion center data, which has been collections of the material for years. But health data, financial data, any other data that you can possibly put into it, and it requires massive amounts of computing, but it would require that to do what you’re talking about, to be all knowing it would require massive center. So any comment on that and then go in and answer the question with benefits and harms that we see from AI technology.
Marlene McMillan:
So in a very quick time, basically they’re talking about tracking things. So someone who doesn’t think on the bigger plane would just say, well, I need to know in my business how much money’s coming in and how much is going out even in my family, and that’s good, but then it should be up to you to decide what happens with it. And this is where the change occurs. That data that’s gathered is gathered with the idea that the central planners can do a better job than you can. So the AI algorithms use mathematics and data and the speed of computation to alter the world and the people who live in it. So their goal is that basically they are giving you a Marxist central planning solution. Everything that comes up, that’s the frame. The frame is look to the government, look to somebody else. You can’t solve it yourself.
It’s creating a dependency on something outside of you instead of just between you and God and your family. And in changing the people, we’ve already seen this through covid and other things that have happened, they’ve created a planned chaos and confusion that overloads the central nervous system, and it’s a breakdown of normal. So in essence, the people breakdown and then they’re going to welcome relief through a machine or through anything else. So part of this whole God designed people to be a certain way. I have a teaching called God’s Design for Social Order, and it’s basically Jeremiah 21, build houses, plant gardens, get married and have babies, and all of this artificial ways of living, trying to make people lose their dignity and lose the way that they were created to be, goes back even to the Tower of Babel where Nimrod was a hunter of men, not a hunter of people, and tried to make everybody into bricks.
Everybody, it’s like thinking of everybody being interchangeable like in systems where if you will not cooperate, so you know how much liberty you have by what happens to the dissenters. So what happens to the people who can’t be programmed? Do they just become expendable? Do they just wait for them to die out so that only the programmable stay and run things? What we need to look at liberty, and of course, I’m known as the Lady of Liberty and forgiveness. I’ve written a book on forgiveness, but I have also the five pillars of liberty. My webinars are why WHY, liberty matters.com, and I have massive amounts of work, not on focusing on tyranny, but on how liberty is built, how are great nations built, having liberty as the result and AI and all of technocracy and transhumanism is set up to have. Maybe you have a solid functioning system, but you don’t have people that delight in the Lord or people that are alive inside. A part of the human being almost has to be programmed and computerized in order to fit into the system. And I think people ought to be really concerned about that.
Sam Rohrer:
Absolutely. Okay, let’s give a benefit. Is there a benefit to ai? We’ve talked a lot about the downside, but benefit in some harmful aspects. Finish this segment out with those two areas please. Okay,
Marlene McMillan:
So logistics would be a place that maybe you could say there’s benefits in the moving of goods and machinery and all, but part of that even is a outside programming. People used to be able to move their goods by truck and somehow before computers, the two secretaries were able to get on the phone or they were able to figure it out and the goods got there. Now the programmers would look at that and say, that was very inefficient, but there was a lot of character built in the process and it was simple. And today the logistics to me would be one of the things the way goods are moved around the world. But part of that is with the idea of the central control of resources of determining this gets into you own, own nothing and be happy. This gets into the idea that you have to rent everything that you even like Kendall just did. Kendall just changed the rules. And so you can only basically rent your books. You can’t really own them in digital form. So I guess I’m more on the downside, but I’m also very realistic that this is what’s happening. And I do have some things of how you can control, you have more control as a family and as an individual over this than what you may realize. You can determine how programmable you want to be or not. And I think we’ll talk about that next.
But for right now, I want people to look at how much social engineering is really good for them.
Sam Rohrer:
And Marlene, I think that’s excellent and that’s how I would look at it too. I mean, we are here utilizing some things, for instance, AI to do an automatic transcript of this program. So people go and they get online after this program, they can get a transcript of it. It’s cheaper, and it was actually more accurate than what was done before, and we spent quite a bit of time checking on it. I find that is okay for a limited usage like that. But as we’ve talked here before, going to AI to give me advice of any type or a counsel or what decision should I make? Automatically you’re into an area that God has preserved for himself, ladies and gentlemen. So that’s where I am drawing the line and saying, no, no, it’s not going to give any input because any input as to opinion or advice or even the phraseology of things other than just straight transliteration requires a set of values.
And we already know from their definition, it does not include God. It cannot include God. It cannot include truth or absolute truth. AI is without conscience. It reflects that which its programmers according to them has no God. A part of it does not acknowledge sin. Therefore no redemption. It is antichrist at its heart. It’s a big deal. We’ll come back with some answers. Well, as we go into our final segment, again, for those who have been with us from the beginning of the program, thank you because of the nature of this program, our theme, artificial intelligence, we’ve talked much about aspects of it. Its definition, its origination, its designed by design, well, opposition to God and truth literally by design. It does not recognize, it cannot recognize a biblical worldview, God as creator, God as truth. And I read the definition from AI itself, sometimes things that it will artificial intelligence recommend or advance a narrative that it will advance in various ways.
It may align with some things that God says. And they said that where that happens to be the case though, it’s important to understand they’re not agreeing with God. It just so happens that God’s word agrees with them. They’re God. That’s their definition. So as a result of that, there’s nothing about the programming, the algorithms, the worldview of which it has one according to ai. And with them, we’ve actually had them agree, they have a worldview, that worldview is not a biblically centered worldview. So in the end of the day, what are we talking about? We’re talking about a technology and ability to really supplant God, counterfeit God, counterfeit Christ with the ability because of all of the data that’s being collected and data centers being built all across the world and advanced by our own current administration. So understand it’s not just a party, it’s a broad based humanistic view that is advancing the literal system by which an individual literally can demand that the entire world worships him or they will not be able to buy and suck.
And you see where we are, it’s a significant. So with that, Marlene, we must be wise so that we are not deceived. And I think there’s an awful lot of deceived people in this regard to this whole thing not being the case. Let me go back to you and say this. We’ve talked about it with this in mind and the things that we’ve talked about, reiterate that which you think needs to be restated, but how should believers, those who fear God, how should we respond to this thing that literally is already in our homes? It’s already if we use anything with a computer or a phone, it’s already there collecting information and monitoring. Should we use it or refuse it? Should we use it with care or don’t engage at all where decisions, for instance or opinions are sought because it is a godless process of thinking. Anyways, lay it out. Complete the program here today, but bring it down to what should God-fearing people do in regard to this thing called ai?
Marlene McMillan:
Well, first of all, make yourself less programmable and also understand that idolatry is what you’re being tempted with. And we cannot have any other gods before Yahweh. So we have to remember that anything that tries to stand in his place must be seen for what it’s so part of. How do you do that? How do you make yourself less programmable? Well, what about practicing some silence? Turn everything off, meet the Lord himself, have quiet time with him. Meet yourself and examine who would you be if you were on an island alone and there was no one around who are you? Don’t hop every time a text drops or an email comes in, actually put your phone down for some hours a day. The overstimulation, the constant news, the constantly being reminded of a terror attack here or a bombing there or a person being shot somewhere.
We’re not made to process all that. That gives us overstimulation and doesn’t help us be productive. So be a builder instead of a consumer. Learn how to arrange your life where you’re producing things. This is part of how you counter all this. You’ll have to decide how much of the digital world do you want to encourage or live in, but withdraw your consent everyday. Digital things like banking and currency and utilities and even books and your files, everything. You get more of what you talk about and you become what you think about. And when you give the digital all your attention and your agreements and participate with it, you probably are not having, then you say, well, I don’t have time to grow my own food or homeschool my children. And so these are individual choices, but I have webinars, I have whole webinars that deal with how do you build God’s design for social order?
How do you build a mental construct for liberty? See, we are programmed everywhere and AI is part of this, programming us to accept tyranny as normal. And whatever you accept as normal, you quit questioning. So it’s very important that you step back and go, wow, it’s not so much how did we get here, but what are we going to do about it? So withdrawing your consent, withdrawing your participation, vote with your feet. You can get your children, and this is my opinion, but get your children out of the government schools as fast as you can. But now they’re trying to bring that programming into your home where it doesn’t matter the location of where your child is schooled because they will be schooled by the same programs. And that gets into vouchers and things we’re not going to talk about right now. But my point to everyone is step back and look at how do I hear the still small voice of God?
How do I get yourself informed? I mean, the best book out there I think is called the Evil Twins of Technocracy and Transhumanism. It’s by Patrick M. Wood and it is outstanding. Now, I’ve read lots of other things too, and nothing else stands with it. I will be having some new webinars coming out where we’ll dive into this more. That’s at WHY liberty matters.com, and there’s much available for the believer. But keep your focus, keep your attention on the things that matter. Be producers and the technocrats are plunders and realize that, that they’re everywhere. They do good things. How part of we let our defenses down is we like the good things that it does, and we accept the whole package that’s really a mixture of good and evil. It’s a mixture of the two trees, the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And it mixes that all together. So come back and say, wow, what would the Tree of life look like in my life and how do I make myself less programmable?
Sam Rohrer:
And Dr. Marlene McMillan, we’re at the end of the program today. That is excellent. Ladies and gentlemen, can I encourage you, go to our website, stand on the gap radio.com or our app, listen to this program again, far too much just to pick up and remember all that was heard. There’s some tremendous information that was here, boiled down into memorable little phrases and thoughts, but go back and listen to it again, always in the light of scripture and share it with a friend. People need to hear this as God’s people. We must not be to see. We are not deceived. When we know the truth, the truth of God’s word, we start there. We must finish there. Pray for wisdom because we need it in these days. Thanks for being with us again, ladies and gentlemen, and Dr. Marlene McMillan. Thank you so much. God bless you, and we’ll get you back on soon.
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