The Hopeful & Harmful:
A March 2025 Health Freedom Status Report
March 5, 2025
Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer
Guest: Twila Brase
Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 3/5/25. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.
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Sam Rohrer:
Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand In the Gap Today, and it’s also our monthly health freedom update focus program with Twila Braze, president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. Now last night, as you no doubt know, America was able to listen to President Trump’s first address to Congress as the 47th President now, and what was a filled speech? It was if you listen to it, literally it was filled. It was pretty remarkable, frankly, in so many ways as both supporters and opponents weigh in during this day with their evaluations kind of all over the board. I plan to spend a bit more time tomorrow in analysis of some key themes with independent journalist and investigative reporter Leo Hohmann. He’ll join me tomorrow and we’ll go over that plus other big issues that referred to that tomorrow on the program. So please make a point of joining us for that.
However, whether the president’s speech last night dealt with his desire to reduce the size of government, cut regulations, bring jobs back to America, drill for oil and gas, or identify fraud in the system or secure the border, all of those things were mentioned and more, in my opinion, it bore the characteristics of greater individual freedom and economic prosperity. Yet while so very good in vision, our government, which has become so extraordinarily socialistic, politically, weaponized, corrupted and given as we know to embedded fraud as the DOGE efforts are bringing to light, it has by its very nature laid a foundation of waste and lawlessness which pervades this country and it’s not going to be easy to eliminate it. That’s the bottom line. Now, the reason is, is that in reality, no matter how you look at it, the same congress who will need to make drastic overhauling change in law is the same Congress except for a few that voted for most of the $36 trillion in national debt that we have and permitted known wasteful spending identified over the past decade or more were trillions of dollars that had been noted ahead of time.
They didn’t know where it went, but allowed to continue. That was known that corruption and uncontrolled spending that has been happening, which is now driving our inflation and rising costs was clearly known. Now that’s a fact that cannot be avoided. So there’s a challenge at hand, but within this reality, how individual freedom and our focus today health freedom is impacted, remains uncertain, being threatened by many laws and policies and regulations of the past already in place, but with hopeful things of change coming up. So that is something for which we need to know what those are and work and pray towards that kind of good change. Today, Twila is going to give an update on these things from her perspective. And the title I’ve chosen for today’s program is this, the Hopeful and of the Harmful. It’s going to be a March, 2025 health freedom update status report today. So with that, Twila, thanks for being with me today. You’re down in the sunshine state of Florida. You’re often up north in the cold. So anyways, glad for you to be a part regardless of where you are.
Twila Brase:
Well, thanks Sam. Yeah, I missed the blizzard.
Sam Rohrer:
Well, I’m sure you really did. I missed it as mean you weren’t there, but I don’t think you missed it as wish you were there, right?
Twila Brase:
Correct.
Sam Rohrer:
So anyway, let’s go into this. To begin today’s program, Twila, I’d like to get first of all your overall response to the address to Congress last night. It wasn’t a state of the Union address, it was an address to Congress, but it contained most of the elements of what would’ve been a straight of the union. But nonetheless, share broadly your overall perspective if you want, but then specifically go into what was said or not said about healthcare or anything else that would have a nexus to our discussion today relative to health freedom.
Twila Brase:
Well, I think there are lots of reasons to cheer. Just if you’re an American in general and you’re listening to all the things that he has already done. In one presentation that I gave down here, I said every morning it’s like a ray of sunshine, just looking to see what is the next thing that he has done because he’s making all of these changes. I was really thrilled about English as the language, the official language of America. I’ve gone to bat for decades, just decades, and it should be law now we just need to make it into law. But on a healthcare perspective, the word health was only mentioned. I looked at speech, only mentioned eight times. It only took up basically a minute and 54 seconds, anything having to do with health. But there were other tangential things like DEI and even how DEI has been embedded into healthcare decisions, into medical education, all that stuff so that that’s not counted in there, but just on general, healthcare was not a big thing in his speech.
I think he mentioned the World Health Organization and pulling us out of there, which is a really great thing. Interestingly enough, he said nothing about Medicare and Medicaid, nothing. And we know that the GAO, the Government Accountability Office, and those have been finding interesting things over well the GAO over the years. But those now interesting layouts of money or improper payments, billions, trillions in improper payments across the government, but also in H-H-S-H-H-S and Medicare payments. There’s been just every year, every year there’s just billions in improper payments in Medicare. But the thing that he did focus on was childhood cancer and his commission to make America healthy again. I loved the fact that he talked about autism. I think that is a real concern. I remember hearing Somali parents talk in the legislature at Minnesota and a hearing talking about how in Somalia they never had autism, they didn’t know what autism was, and now they had this huge percentage of children with autism. And I think that that is something that needs to be investigated and put a stop to. We should not have all these children, and if it is vaccinations that is the cause of autism and the increasing number of things that we are injecting children with from right after they’re born starting with Hep B, then this is something that we need to stop doing.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, I agree with that and we’re about at the end, so I’m going to say that’s a good take. I also was very, very glad about our language being English. When I was in the Pennsylvania house, I was every year pushing for make it the language. It used to be you can’t have a nation unless you have a common agreement on religion, view of God, a common language and a common border. All of those things have been under guard. So that was one. And then your commentary about autism and so forth and the vaccination, that’s actually going to come up again ladies and gentlemen in the program because as you saw Robert F. Kennedy, the new Secretary of Health Human Services was identified last night. He has done some things relative to a statement on measles and vaccinations, people on both sides of that. I’m going to talk about that aspect with Twila in segment three.
When we come back, we’re going to go to the areas of regulation law, proposed changes that are helpful and looking good for health freedom in America. Well, if you’re just joining us today here on this Wednesday program, my special guest is Twila Brase. This is our monthly emphasis on health freedom, which is the space in which Twila and her organization, citizens Council for Health Freedom operates and does it very, very well. She has a website@cchfreedom.org. Now, the theme today, it somewhat picks up off of, well, a little bit of what the president addressed last night in the address to Congress, but more so as a part of a continuing discussion that I’ve been having with Twila on this program relative to the state of health freedom in America now in January. And then we touched again on it in February. I asked Twila at that point to assign, to diagnose, basically give a medical diagnosis more or less as to how she would qualify in rate health, freedom healthcare, health freedom in America on a scale of one to 10, one being comatose totally dead, the other 10 being perfect and Twila, you put it into three to four range and you gave reasons for that.
Basically means we are structurally for various reasons, very sick in that area. But you did point to some hope and signs of hope that might come out of the second Trump administration. And I want to take an look at whether you pull it out of last night’s commentary or what has happened since January. But let’s get into this if you don’t mind. In this segment, let’s look at those things that are hopeful. If you were to identify the one Trump administration announcement or policy change or proposed law, however you want to look at it, that would in your opinion offer the best hope for some regained health freedom in America, what would it be and why?
Twila Brase:
Well, it’s a good question, but I will say that there’s not a lot that President Trump has come out with when it comes to legislation or proposals or initiatives that would actually bring us to health freedom. There are two things to know about how you get to health freedom and one is to bring the cost down and there’s two reasons that it’s expensive and one is government regulations and the other is third party payment. And so his plans, and he talked about it last night where he said, for every one regulation that they put in place, they have to get rid of 10 regulations. And I would very much like to talk to the President and anybody else about what those 10 regulations should be. But his plan to do that is refreshing because that’s what makes everything expensive. That’s what makes everything bureaucratic. That’s what kills doctors’ desires to stay doctors. I just talked to one of them down here in Florida and he was done with it. He’s like, I’m done with checking boxes. I’m done with the electronic health record. I’m done with it. A really good doctor and he’s done. So I think cutting regulations but key regulations is going to cut the right regulations.
Sam Rohrer:
And I fully agree with you on that. If that were to be done, if literally that were to be effectuated where you have a new regulation, you cut 10, that would be fantastic. But I can say those you’re listening that for those in Congress or for those in the state legislatures, they don’t make the regulations. The bureaucracy makes the regulations. The real key is what kind of a law do you pass and do you retain the authority to keep the bureaucracy from making regulations or in the past, frankly, it has been a very easy thing for the legislative branch to say, well, here’s the law. We’ve done our part and then let the others go and do whatever they want, the executive branch, and then everybody has deniability. So that is something ladies and gentlemen to pray about. But if that were to happen, that would be extraordinary.
Let us move into this area. RFK already referred to him a little bit. Now the Secretary of Health and Human Services, we’ve talked about him in the past. A lot of folks viewed and we do, I do as a potential hopeful change because of many things that he believes some of those because his position of not being pro-life is a very bad one. So that’s a mixed bag. We will see how things all work out. But here in this area, can you identify perhaps the one thing, policy or whatever that has occurred within health and human services now under RF K’s jurisdiction that is in the hopeful or positive health freedom category?
Twila Brase:
Yes. Well, after he was in, we still continued to hear these flu vaccine advertisements, which all of us are paying for by the way. And now those have been shut down. I kept wondering if they were going to be shut down or when they’d be shut down and they are. But the other thing that I think is really in the news right now is the fact that he has promised to reconfigure the advisory committee on immunization practices, otherwise known as asip. And so he is canceled the meeting and they were supposed to meet and they regularly meet and he’s canceled it and he’s received a letter from 50 groups and individuals asking for the postponed meeting to be rescheduled. And that shows you how much power there is in that particular committee, but he’s going to reconfigure it. I believe he’s going to put more real research voices on there. He might put concerned parents on there. He might have other voices that mean that they can’t just railroad these things through or ram them through and then they end up on the childhood vaccine schedule. And it makes it difficult for parents to send their children to school if they don’t take all of the shots. I think this is a really big thing that he has done and I think it’s a very good thing.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, that’s great to hear that. And I would just say for ladies and gentlemen, everybody who is hopeful, all of us listening to the program are hopeful that the policies and all the things that would happen under this administration and we’re talking health freedom today under HHS and what comes out of that, we all hope that what comes out of it is positive. So I am of the mode and Twila, maybe you are too, just cut a little slack for these early days for what is happening because there is so much that has to be undone before good can actually be implemented. But we need to be very, very cautious and look very, very carefully. That’s just my own mindset. You can tell me if you’re very on that at all, but then I want to go into this in the last few minutes of the program, you watch what’s happening on the federal level. That’s what we’ve talked about so far. However, healthcare is supposed to lie within the purview of the states, not the federal government. And the federal government involvement goes to the part of why we have such intrusion into the doctor patient relationship. Now that being the case, are there anything happening on the state level right now, which from your estimation, our listeners should be aware and are hopeful in the advancing of health freedom in America?
Twila Brase:
Yeah, there’s all sorts of exciting things on the state level. So there are legislators in 10 states that have introduced legislation to make ivermectin an over the counter drug just like it is in many countries overseas. And it’s really worthy to know that Tylenol is way, way, way more dangerous than ivermectin. You take a bottle of Tylenol and you’re toast, but if you take a bottle of Ivermectin, you can likely survive as one case study showed. Then there’s a legislator in Minnesota, representative Dawn Gilman, she has apparent right to bill to give parents control over exam room decisions, Maxine administration, the taking and use of newborn DNA by the state and the whole thing about probing minors with these very sensitive questions and forcing their parents out of the exam room during this inquisition. So that’s a really great bill. And in North Dakota, similarly representative Sue Ann Olson, we helped to write the bill that would stop the clinics and the hospitals from forcing parents out of the exam room while this inquisition was going on and making sure that parents knew exactly what children would be asked about and make a decision whether they wanted to stay with the child in the exam room or not.
Sam Rohrer:
Alright, let me follow up on that. I mean what you just said there, that’s all very, very good. And I can say that legislators do look at other states when what they’re doing. And so what happens in one state has a way of finding its way around, and so that is a very, very good thing. But what you’re talking about right there, the prohibition, hospitals and others disallowing parents to be in a room perhaps with a minor child. Is that common and to what degree?
Twila Brase:
Yeah, I actually felt like we were supposed to do something about this. I hadn’t thought about it, but in the space of about three weeks, I heard from five different parents about this sort of thing happening. One, they had to get permission from their children to look at their medical records. Two, they had to get permission to stay in the room and the arguments that were happening, and really what’s happening there is the child is being told that they have power over the parents and that they have this right to keep things secret and to have these secret conversations. It’s a really bad thing. And then of course the clinic staff can introduce things like, are you sure you’re a boy or do you think you might be a girl? Right? And put these things into their minds without their parents even being there to tell the clinic person that they can just discontinue and leave the room right now. They’re going to continue to ask those kinds of questions, right? So yes, this is very, very common and parents are starting to speak up about it now
Sam Rohrer:
And that’s wonderful. And parents as you’re listening or grandparents discuss this with your children, that should never be that a minor child is in a setting where there are things being discussed that a parent is not or prohibited from being there. Never allow that. Alright, with that being said, stay with us. We’ll come back and then we’re going to shift to now things that perhaps are happening policy wise. I’m going to just change what I’m asking Twila about those positive areas and now ask her to identify those things as she’s seeing that are harmful potentially to health free. Well, welcome back to Stand in the Gap today, and we’re actually right smack in the middle of the program right now. Special guest, returning guest, Twila Brase. We do this emphasis on matters of health, health freedom, more specifically healthcare and the emphasis on well trying to restore doctor patient relationship and lower the cost and difficulty to access healthcare.
All those things are involved in this emphasis today happens to be that focus. Now, Twila, as we’ve discussed so many times on this program, literally for years, the factors contributing to giving a very sick diagnosis to the state of health freedom in America. We talked about that. You put it into three to four category, one being comatose, 10 being perfect. It includes a number of things. For instance, a long standing unconstitutional involvement of the federal government in matters of healthcare and the doctor patient relationship that is not ever given to the federal government. That’s a state issue. The involvement through that though we know is metastasized, put it in medical terms into our current system of well socialized medicine, driven by forced Medicare involvement linked to social security and more. We’ve talked about that electronic patient health records and the incestuous relationship between health corporations and the federal government and hospitals and health research facilities and the pharmaceutical industry and more are all things that we’ve talked about that you’ve been identifying and trying to work to oppose for such a long time all affecting health freedom in America.
Now that being said, in the last segment we talked about the good and hopeful indicators that we see coming out of the Trump administration that offer hope to restoring health freedom and the doctor patient relationship. Now let’s shift and look at what you see as potential harmful changes. If you were to identify, again, I’m going to ask you the same way then the last segment. If you were to identify the one Trump administration announcement or policy change or proposed law that in your opinion portends the most harmful impact on health freedom in America, what would it be and why?
Twila Brase:
So I think the claim that he will not touch Medicare or social security is not looking at reality. It’s making this statement that ignores completely the fact that these things are on their way out and it would behoove him to help the American people understand the dire situation that these programs are in and the hopeful options which could bring us as Americans to knowing that it’s not like we’re going to be left without coverage, including all the seniors who are depending on it today. So he needs to start talking about this and who better than him, who’s willing to go after any topic. The problem I think is that he may not understand healthcare like he understands some other things. He may not be as comfortable with it. I don’t know what his policy advisors are talking to him, but there’s no time like the present with Medicare being now I believe 11 years from insolvency when it will only be able to pay 89% of its bills. There’s no time like the present, there’s no one like him to be able to start that conversation.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, I think that’s a great way to phrase it because as I’m looking at it, you give some commentary on it. The efforts of Doge to go in and be able to give a broad based analysis of expenditures has allowed for this enormous presentation and exposure of fraud and corruption and spending and that kind of thing. And of course President gave a lot of those examples last night. Now, in some cases we could walk away and say, well, if we just spend it better, we’ve solved the problem. I am frankly very happy about the fact in the area of education he’s now approved as Secretary of Education as someone, and the statement is let’s eliminate the Federal Department of Education. Now that’s a structural change, but within medicine and healthcare, we actually need not just a better expenditure of funds, we actually need almost that same kind of structural change, don’t we?
Twila Brase:
Yes. And we should be moving towards giving all Americans access to real health insurance for the entirety of their life. And by real health insurance, I mean a major medical company that pays only for catastrophic and insurable events, not for all the little things, not sometimes even for the medium things because all the prices would come down if there wasn’t coverage for it. And if there weren’t all of these third party fingers in it and all these rules and regulations and prior authorization review and mandatory government approved electronic health records and all the data reporting and all the people, I mean imagine the money that could not have to be funded in the healthcare system if all these people were off doing jobs that didn’t get in the way of us and our doctors and cause medicine to be so expensive and coverage to be so expensive.
The other thing that needs to happen is that young people have to realize what a theft is going on of their compensation for working. It has been said to me that if the employer were to give them money that he gives to a health plan of his choice, the company’s choice to the worker, it would essentially be a 35% raise. Now if that is true, imagine how that money in the hands of a worker could be used to make different choices including real health insurance, which is affordable. And just as one example to you and the audience, I talked to a man about a month ago who used to pay before Obamacare, he used to pay $66 a month and he had a $1,500 deductible. Now real insurance would have a higher deductible than that and might even be less money per month. But you can see what the difference is from today under Obamacare and what it used to be.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay, that’s great. We may visit a bit more of that in the last segment. Let’s go back over here. Medicare, back to that item Medicare Advantage. Did something just come out some kind of a statement on Medicare Advantage that is of a concern?
Twila Brase:
Well, I’m not totally sure what you might mean, but what I can say is that our concern is with Dr. Oz being appointed as the director or the administrator of the Centers for Medicare Medicaid services because he put out a statement in 2020 an article with the CEO of a health plan. He put out an article saying that we need Medicare advantage for all as the solution for healthcare in America. But that means health plans for all. That means not real insurance for all. And that means the corporate version of socialized medicine, which we’re living under today. And then of course we have project 2025 I’ll put out by the Heritage Foundation and they are suggesting that Medicare advantage should be the default option for everyone entering Medicare. And that is the wrong direction because Medicare Advantage health plans are getting 22% more per enrollee. This is adding up to, I think it was $83 billion in 2024 alone. And then they have the right to withhold access to care if they want to deem it not medically necessary. So this is not the right direction. They can ration care and they’re ripping off taxpayers and getting all this money. It’s a cash cow for them.
Sam Rohrer:
Okay. And that demonstrates ladies and gentlemen that came out of 2025 came out of the Heritage Institution and that is conservative. So it shows you how fundamentally intertwined and embedded socialized medicine has become. And so that is an issue there. Medicare advantage as a default option, very bad. So that’s one of those concerns in the last couple minutes here. RFK has made some news in the last couple of days. The currents of meals across the country is increasing. He issued, I’m not going to read it because of time, he issued a statement relative to vaccines. It was carefully worded, but some are concerned that he’s actually going against what he has been saying and some cases some are saying, well maybe not. What’s your opinion?
Twila Brase:
Well, two things. One, he basically said that there should be informed choice. And I think that’s what he’s been saying all the time. I think the concerning part is when he said that vaccines not only protect individual children from measles but also contribute to community immunity. The fact of the matter is I look up a study on that and a study that came out, I think it was last year maybe and is at the NIH website, which says that up to 10% of people who have the measles shot have breakthrough infections. So they get the measles. And we know that from the cases at Disneyland or Disney World or wherever it was that some of those people who got measles had already been vaccinated. So we shouldn’t say that measles gives you protection from the disease. We can say that it might give a certain percentage of protection or some people will have full protection or we don’t actually know. But I think you have to be really careful in the language and not having blanket statements.
Sam Rohrer:
So here again, now I did note and can’t get into it ladies and gentlemen, but it does appear that a part of what RFK as secretary is interacting with in the Texas situation where measles are occurring down there was that in the communication there was a vaccine availability, but there was also let the parent decide this is an option, but they were also including a great deal of information evidently about the usage of vitamin A and cod liver oil in the treatment. So I look at that and say, alright, we have a transition going on, be aware, but if we just reintroduce parental control and the truth, we will have made great stride. So with that, stay with us. We’ll come back and talk about some health freedom action steps. Real ID is one of them that we’re working on and Twila will tell you more about that and some other things as we wrap up the program for today.
Well, as we go into our final segment now, a couple of things we want to accomplish here, some action steps that we can take, and we’re going to get into that in just a moment. Before I do that, just want to thank all of you for being a part of the program. We try to spend almost all of the time in this program focused on the content with our guests on important issues. But there are things that just like thanking you for being a part is necessary to do. And I want you to know how important that is for us here at the American Pastors Network and stand in the gap today, this program and all that goes on to it. You are essential. So when I thank you, I want you to know I would like to thank you a dozen times during each program, but that’s not what you want to hear either.
But I want you to know the attitude. Secondly, I want to thank all of you who are faithful in financially supporting this program. It is essential because we don’t have deep pockets. If this program is to continue and TV program and our weekend and minute program is to continue, it must be as a result of you who are listening, participating. So if you’ve never helped financially, please prayerfully consider doing that. I do not beg, I do not want to beg. We want to focus on the communication content, but I do need you to know that. I also need you to know that we need your participation in prayer. Anytime you’re involved in the communicating of truth, biblical truth, there is opposition. We are in a spiritual conflict. We know that if we know the Lord and we’re in the middle of that. So we need your prayer.
So if you are praying, thank you. If you’re not, please consider doing that as well. And then obviously if the program is meaning anything to you at all, and I know it is for so many because we hear from almost every state from time to time, tell a friend about the program. Best way you can also let them participate and be a part of what you’re gaining. So that being said, I’m going to move on Twila. We talked just briefly about RFK in the last segment about vaccinations. Is there anything you wanted to say? Because I think somewhere in there was a statement or insinuation made that a vaccination would prevent measles as an example. Is there anything you want to say on that before we move on?
Twila Brase:
No. The other thing I will encourage people to go is to a book called Turtles All the Way Down, which talks about the whole vaccine history. I’m reading it now and people who have read it say it just opens their eyes about everything. So I guess that’s my encouragement for anybody who’s listening. Turtles all the way down,
Sam Rohrer:
Turtles all the way down, probably just go online. Amazon probably you would find that. I would assume. Okay, let’s go here in the break. Most of our listeners would’ve heard the break. Only a few do not. You commented specifically on the item. I want to conclude one of the items here, and that is real id. We’ve been talking about it for a long time. There’s a May 7th real ID date that is quickly approaching. There is a window of opportunity. You talked about it talked to about us right now. What should our listeners know and do about this very extreme threat, frankly to health freedom.
Twila Brase:
So the most important thing to understand is that when you’re listening to the media and the government talk about May 7th, 2025, two months from now, is that they’re saying that you will not be able to fly without a real id. And this is not true. So do not go out and get a real id, which is a federalized national identification card and system that will take away our freedom as people and our rights as states that will just change everything in this country. So don’t do that. Instead know this about the TSA rule. It’s called a progressive enforcement rule. And they plan to do progressive enforcement and progressive consequences for the next two years. They’re not going to turn you away at the airport, although they have talked about letting you come three times and then turning you away. And so the TSA is going to keep their May 7th deadline, but they’re going to give two more years to get it.
But you don’t want to get it. So that’s the most important thing is you don’t want to get it. So first you have to understand that it’s a lie and then you have to understand that submitting to it is to give up your freedom and sovereignty. It’s unconstitutional. Go to refuse real id.org. Refuse real id.org. That will give you more information. Seven reasons to get your members of Congress to repeal it or to stop the TSA rule. It’s all there. And including the places where you can just ask by clicking a button and your legislators will pop up when you put your address in there and then you’ll be able to send them a message. We’ve already pre-formulated the messages they need to hear from us because I was in DC the first week of February and they said they’re not hearing from anybody. So they don’t think anybody’s concerned.
But people don’t understand if they have that star on their card, that they have a national ID, that they have joined a national ID system, that it’s going to be bigger, it’s going to be digitized. That’s what the DMVs want to do. They want to digitize it to put it on your phone, have remote and real-time access to it, and then Homeland Security can simply decide. It’s not just for access to federal facilities or nuclear facilities or commercial airlines. No, the law says it’s for anything else that the Secretary of Homeland Security shall decide. So it could be getting access to medical care, opening a bank account, renting a car, getting a hotel room, getting married, anything that they would decide. And it will become the card, the credential. It will be accessible by government on your phone and they can shut it down at any time they want. So we are really, I mean not we, but RealD is paving the way to a social credit system for America. And it’s really important for people, Americans to stand up and say no.
Sam Rohrer:
And ladies and gentlemen view what Twila just said, this kind of a change if it has not changed, it’s implemented. And the continuation of establishing databases for artificial intelligence, which is also a thread. They’re linked. And even though so many good things are happening, we need to oppose these threads that can literally when put together in a braided rope, good things with bad things. That same rope can hang a person as much as they can lift somebody out of a pit. So we have got to be careful. We have to be very, very discerning. But this is one important area, again, the website CCR. Well, do you have something specifically for people to go to on this?
Twila Brase:
Yes. Refuse real id.org. Refuse real id.org. And it also encourages you if you’re really worried that we will not be successful, get yourself a passport so you know, can fly anytime, but refuse the real Id refuse. And if you have one, go back and get a standard driver’s license. There’s only five states that don’t let you. Texas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, and Wyoming. Everybody else should go get a standard driver’s license. And the people in those states should protest to their legislators and to their governors and tell them to get them out of this real ID system. There are several state legislatures already, or legislators already around the country who are moving now to introduce bills at the state level to remove themselves from the bill id. So we as Americans can stand up and do what is necessary to stop this because it’s going to take us, it’s going to be harder for legislators. But when you are behind them and they know that you’re concerned, they will act way more quickly.
Sam Rohrer:
All right. And Twila, that brings us right up to the break. We are done for the program today. Thank you for so much information, ladies and gentlemen. Again, this program you can find on our site. You can also find a transcript so you can go back. And if you didn’t write down everything that is worthy of remembering. Hopefully that’s all of it. You can find it on a transcript form then act upon it. But anyways, thanks so much for bringing a part of the program today. Twila always a wonderful thing. Just keep up the good work and we pray for God to continue to sustain and give you direction. Ladies and gentlemen, Lord dwelling, I’ll be back here tomorrow and join me. Leo Hohmann will be my guest.
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