Extinguishing Health Freedom: The Tech & Government Assault

Extinguishing Health Freedom: The Tech & Government Assault

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Twila Brase

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 6/29/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to Stand in the Gap today where we bring you timely insight on current events and always through a constitutional and biblical worldview lens. Now on this last Monday of June, leading into Independence Day weekend, it has all of our minds framed in this special time in our nation’s history. In light of all that, I want to frame our monthly focus, which we do here on Health Freedom, focusing on a foundational pillar of American civil liberty and that is health freedom. That’s something that we should be very thankful for, but it’s being attacked. Joining me as always on this focus of health freedom is Twila Brase. She’s the president and the co-founder of the Citizens Council for Health Freedom and they have a website at ccfreedom.org. I will give that again during the program. But government has long targeted even in our country has long targeted healthcare as a means to control people and by so doing to control the economy because of the fact that everybody’s involved in this.

Now aided by artificial intelligence and digital data collection, these partners, meaning high tech and government, pose the most serious attack against health liberty we’ve ever witnessed. Today we confront this on this program, this coordinated paradigm shift under the title Extinguishing Health Freedom, the tech and government assault. Now over the next hour, we’re going to track the encroachment, how this is happening across four critical areas. Segment one, we’re going to deal with the tech government infrastructure. I’m going to call it the trap and that’s how biometric tracking is literally normalizing a permanent digital identity system. We’ve talked much about it. You’ll see how it fits together today. Second segment, we’re going to expose the bureaucracy. We’re going to call the bureaucratic nervous system. That’s how the whole thing works. In the new CMS Office of Health Technology and Products, it centralizes federal data control. Talk about that and how that fits in.

Third segment, I’m going to call it the ghost in the machinery of how this whole thing works. We’re going to look behind the closed doors at health and human services where unmonitored algorithms, that’s a part of AI, are quietly deciding patient protocols. Then finally, we’re going to conclude by considering the corporate government takeover of human DNA. I’m going to call it the DNA monopoly of these two entities, high tech, big tech and government. And that’s primarily focused on newborn genetic sequencing or baby DNA we call it. So in this first second, we’re going to call it the trap. We’re going to look at the physical infrastructure. With that, I welcome in right now, Twila Brase, Twila. Thanks for being back with me.

Twila Brase:

Always good to be here and especially before the 250th anniversary of the founding of our country.

Sam Rohrer:

Indeed, indeed. And only once will it ever happen. And that’s great to be alive at this point. But Twila, let’s get right into this thing called the trap. For instance, when someone walks now through an airport, they don’t just see upgraded technology, but they also witness a permanent digital identity rollout. As you’ve identified, and we’ve talked about it in other programs, and then you have more information at ccfreedom.org. The TSA is aggressively expanding its biometric and they call it the touchless ID system where partnerships like companies like Clear and others are deploying real-time facial recognition. They have e-gates at major hubs giving evidence that initiatives like Real ID, which we’ve talked about much, was never really about a secure plastic card in your wallet. Now here’s the point. If you could break down how this digital trap is being laid right now and how the effort is being implemented to normalize a centralized federal digital identity system tied directly to our body and how it could be weaponized in the case of a health emergency.

Twila Brase:

So first of all, I’ll just start with what the TSA says about their new TSA precheck touchless ID system that all you have to do, you don’t have to have anything in your hand, no boarding pass, no identification card. All you have to do is look at the camera in a dedicated lane and your live photo is matched against the photo that you have provided them from your passport. So that’s where they’re going. That’s where they want everything to go. In this case, they’re saying that you have to still carry a physical ID and ultimately that’s not where they want to go. It’s just going to be in the computer. Take a photo of you compared to the digital biometric of your face in their computer. So I think the thing to understand about this is that the airport is the tool. So airports are now, there’s a lot of pressure at the airport and a lot of people fly and so they feel a lot of pressure to conform to get to wherever they want to go.

So the airport has proved to be a convenient tool to advance this whole biometric data collection and surveillance. And so you’re being asked to give up your privacy rights and submit to digital controls if you want to fly. And this is where I like to remind people that the TSA is the federal government and the constitution does not allow what is being done today by the government, but I think that too many Americans are too far from the constitution. They don’t know. They don’t know their rights. They don’t see the power behind the camera. They’re being asked to look into. They’re thinking, oh, this is just about security. They don’t know the government is cataloging and collecting their body parts to build a national facial recognition system for its own control. So if you combine real ID with this whole TSA camera system, this is where the national facial recognition system is happening.

So most people just stand in front of that camera. I watch them at the airport. They just stand there. And I haven’t yet seen a person opt out. I opt out all the time and they’re either afraid they don’t read the signs or they don’t see what the violation is, but most Americans are just willingly walking into this trap. And I guess one last thing that I would say is listen to the words they use when they talk about what they’re doing. January’s TSA press release used these words to make the entire enterprise sound innocuous. They’re going to modernize. They’re going to enhance security. It’s going to be seamless, efficient, convenient, but our Congress is giving them billions of dollars, billions of dollars to install the world’s most advanced 3D imaging and biometric technology for department-wide use. So this is an entire system being set up.

It’s all unconstitutional. Most Americans are clueless and they think it’s all about security and so they’re willingly walking into the net.

Sam Rohrer:

Ladies and gentlemen, we’re at that break, but tie this together as well. Flying is mobility. Cameras are on highways also connected to the entire system. Health information, which we’re going to be talking about included within the system. Very easy to prohibit people from traveling even if they’re sick or to get health treatment or anything else. It’s all connected and we’re going to build this up. This is in fact the extinguishing of health freedom. The partners, big tech, aided by AI now and the government. Both of them want control and both of them are getting it because we’re giving it up. We’ll be right back. Well, welcome back. If you’re just joining us, thanks for being here with us today. Twila Brase is my guest again today and when she is, we are always on the subject of health freedom. To one degree or another, we go that direction today.

I’ve selected the topic or the title rather of extinguishing. You put that word extinction, health freedom, the tech and government assault. And we’re linking things that are happening between big tech and big government. Last segment talking about the major push for the normalization of people giving up their biometric information. They’re doing it not only through travel on airlines, but if you have traveled or if you’re about to, you will see. Big tech in usage, but it’s gone far beyond that. And so we just established that. So that’s kind of the trap, getting people to think that giving up, just using your face, using some other type of biometric, personal data, which is illegally unconstitutionally being forfeited, given up, it’s making people think, oh well, efficiency. Convenience. Oh, it’s worth it, but it’s not worth it. Anyway, that’s the point. That’s the trap. We talked about that in that segment.

But how’s it being built? That’s the point here in this segment because it is being built through the use of what I just talked about, encouraging people to give up and to forfeit that which could never have been done by law. It is now being done routinely. Now, one major change that’s actually putting this into a system, a structure, is the recent massive structural shift just occurring within the federal government and then the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services were there created a brand new centralized authority called the Office of Health Technology and Products. And this isn’t just about backend tech support. This new office is designed to lead the charge on data interoperability, means spreading this around as broadly as possible and dictating its usage. The current administration, the Trump administration is referring to this as the health technology ecosystem. And by centralizing control over how medical data is exchanged, monitored and standardized, the federal government, which wants control of people and health and are doing it through health and the economy and everything related to it, the federal government is positioning itself as the ultimate gatekeeper of the American healthcare infrastructure and it creates a direct pipeline of personal health data along with government enforcement direct from Washington and straight to the local clinic.

And Twila, we’ve talked about pieces of these before, but expand upon this next. Explain the danger of when a federal agency builds the exact bureaucratic machinery needed to track and regulate every single health transaction in the country and how this is being done. So just broadly build this whole thing out because this is the structure government always has a bureaucracy, a structure. So build this out now.

Twila Brase:

Well, if your listeners were to look up health technology ecosystem, they would find out a lot of information they didn’t know, including all the partners, all the players, all the corporations that have signed on and said yes to President Trump’s initiative. “Yes, we will help you build this. We’ll help you implement it. ” So now if you look at the rule that came out on the 9th, which established this new office, what you will see in looking at the rule is that there are nine new divisions within the office and there are almost 100 new duties and in just looking at the duties and what they say, there are words like this provides, coordinates, oversees, leads, leads, directs, provides, partners, fosters, leads, advances, right? I mean, it’s just one thing after the next that this office with its nine divisions is going to do … No, it’s nine divisions it’s going to do.

And so what we have here is the growth of government and whenever you have the growth of government, it’s not government of the people for the people and by the people that’s growing, it’s the bureaucratic machine that is going to be above and controlling we the people, the government, right? And so it would really appear that nobody in the administration when it comes to healthcare has remembered that there are constitutional limits placed on the federal government. And so instead of moving in this direction of building the bureaucracy and bringing all the tech firms in to build this entire health technology ecosystem, where’s the plan to actually get back to how this is supposed to work? Privacy, no third party payment, not all of these regulations and paperwork requirements that are overburdening doctors. They say that this is going to be convenient. It’s going to make it easier for the doctors to work, but it’s really about the federal government having all of this power, seizing more power, having a whole new list of priorities.

Again, using the terms modernization, seamlessness and efficiency, trying to keep Americans calm about what’s happening here. But most Americans are not watching the federal register to see what the government has done. They aren’t watching health technology publications that announce this. This is probably the first time that your people have even heard that such a thing has occurred. I think what everybody should see is that because of Medicare, it all started because of Medicare because of Medicare and then HIPAA and then Obamacare, the healthcare system is now working for the government rather than we, the American people. And I think it’s going to take actually a change in Medicare, the right to get out of Medicare for us to solve this problem, which is getting bigger and bigger and bigger of more and more and more government control over our lives because of Medicare. So people who are in Medicare think they’ve got a really great deal and they do have a really great deal for the time being, but as soon as they become vulnerable and with Medicare slated for insolvency in 20, 33, seven years from now, we’re just going to see rationing on the rise and people who are vulnerable are going to be the most likely to have denials and delays.

And really what we have to go back to is an American style healthcare, which has freedom and which has rights and which has privacy and which has a relationship with the doctrine, which has affordability without all these other people in the middle taking all the money and asserting control. And so that needs to happen. We have our 3C solution of cash, catastrophic coverage and charity and that’s actually where we need to get back to. That’s how it started. That’s how it was. Healthcare was a mission, now it’s a business. And this initiative, the health technology ecosystem, this is all about business.

Sam Rohrer:

And Twila, it’s very strange. It’s happened before, but it’s happening now. If one would see what’s unfolding right now, what you talked about, nine new divisions within this ecosystem, technology ecosystem, it sounds like bigger government, more controlling government, centralized government. If a Joe Biden would be president right now, I think there’d be a lot of people screaming, but this is happening under the current administration, but being justified by efficiency, but it’s the same as anything else. It’s more bureaucracy and bigger government only tighter this time because now you’ve got AI and the big tech actually putting these all together. You and I were talking before the program I’ve talked about in other programs, but you have this big company that sits out there called Palantir, Peter Thiel’s company started by the CIA, primarily linked in with the Department of Defense under contract to other countries for actually deciding where to shoot missiles and where to hit them and which houses to go into.

It’s in the Middle East, that’s been happening. But they have contracts with all of these entities we’re talking about, the CDC, the FDA, Homeland Security and they are analyzing all of this data. So government is collecting the data, this company will analyze it, the gatekeepers and this is not at all like health freedom. I mean, any comments on that because most people are not thinking about it, but look what we’re building and when we’re building it.

Twila Brase:

Well, two things that I’ll say, I just looked at the federal register again, I’m sorry, it is eight divisions. I was counting the big organization as number nine, but there’s only eight divisions, but still it’s huge. What I want to say is that healthcare is sort of your life and that’s what we found during COVID. If you threaten healthcare, I mean, if you threaten at the healthcare level, people will do most anything in order to protect their life to save it. And so if you can control healthcare, you can control the people. And if you have all the data, all the profiles of the families, well, look at all these people in their records. This is the mother, the father, the children, the grandparents. Oh, look at this profile here, look at this genetic profile, look at this medical profile, look what’s going to happen if we have more of this family, right?

It’s going to be more expensive. When you have that kind of data on everyone and you just start to connect people and you have that kind of control and that kind of view into their lives, not only their medical lives, but their personal lives, because now we have ambient listening. So we got these recorders coming into the exam room and every little word that you say about your family to your family, to your child, whatever it is, is being picked up by those recorders unless you say no and you should say no, right? But you see this is full profiles on individuals and when you have full profiles and you know what’s happening in their life, you have control.

Sam Rohrer:

And ladies and gentlemen, again, health freedom, the extinguishing or the almost nearing extinction of health freedom. We’re talking about that. When we come back, we’re going to look at the element of AI within the system. I’m calling it the ghost in the machinery because once you have the data, which you’re having it and you can put it all together, boy, the power. Well, as we continue uncovering what we’re calling today, the dual assault on health freedom, that is big tech or the use of technology, digitized information collecting all of that type of thing and government, the ability for government to enact regulations and laws, a framework then for other processes, in this case tech we’re talking about it to work together. We’re talking about those things and how they are working together to assault health freedom and it’s happening, it’s happening at very, very fast speeds.

But one of the things we’ve got to look at, we’re going to do it in this segment, is looking at, I’m going to call it the shocking rise of automated artificial intelligence AI within federal health agencies. Data from the bipartisan policy center shows, for instance, a staggering explosion in AI use cases across the board. For instance, in the FDA, Food and Drug Administration implementation of AI is up 148%. It’s very deeply embedded. The CDC, Centers for Disease Control, 87%. But here’s the critical warning flag. While the government rushes to embed AI into and throughout public health, fields, that’s parts of information required, fields regarding independent reviews, fail safes and individual appeal processes are frequently being left entirely blank. It’s meaning this entire dominating, comprehensively changing infusion of technology aided by government pushed by government is moving beyond the speed of government to actually analyze limit and control.

And it is being put into place without consideration of the problems that it will create and how people, citizens who encounter these things will in fact be able to respond. It’s moving beyond the speed of the ability of what we now know within our system of the constitution of law in order to be able to respond to it. And as we’ve worn for a long time, Twila, you and I have talked about it on past programs, AI algorithms are rapidly entering the physician’s office. You referred to it before quietly dictating care protocols and actually conversations of the patients there in that office without many times their permission and there is no human accountability. When it’s in the system, it’s in the system and the problems being created by this, I’m going to call a centralized government coup because it is. They’re gaining information that otherwise could have never, ever been able to have gained, but they’re asking for it and getting it under the narrative of quality and efficiency and freedom, but it has nothing to do with freedom.

For instance, if an autonomous machine decides your treatment, ladies and gentlemen, your treatment plan, if that machine is not compliant, you have no clear, I’m going to put it this way, democratic avenue to challenge the computer’s decision. If you were to go and call your state representative or your congressman and say, “Well, I don’t know. We don’t have anything in place.” There’s no place to go. If you have been harmed by an algorithm, an AI doctor telling you to do something that maybe happens to make you sicker or kill you or make you vulnerable somehow, you have no place to go. So Twila, please explain what you see happening as AI usage is being spread across. I’m going to say the entire continuum of health in America and explain also how it’s being connected and why it’s expanding so fast. It literally is beyond, put it this way, the cart is out in front of the horse right now.

Twila Brase:

You took the words right out of my mouth. And actually people who do support AI or its uses in certain conditions or situations have also said that and have expressed concern about this like race forward before anybody knows exactly what’s going to happen. But the studies are starting to come out with what’s going to happen. And I’ll just mention one before I say just a few more things about why I think AI might be growing so quickly. But a study that I just read, I think last week apparently AI folks decided to see what would happen if they set up a city. So they created a city and it was filled with AI people and AI businesses and AI vehicles and okay so they created this whole thing and don’t ask me how they do this, right? But anyway, they wanted to find out if they just let AI operate all by itself without any human interference and run a city, what would happen?

Well, there had four scenarios and as I recall, I can’t remember if it was all four or just three of the four. Anyway, everybody was dead within a week. So it was like, okay, well that didn’t go very well, did it? And that is the thing. You just let AI, these computers that have no … It’s just whatever’s been programmed into them. They don’t have any ethics, they don’t have any morals, it’s just a computer. It doesn’t care that people all died within a week because it’s just a computer. So now here you are asking about why is it going so fast? Well, I think there are several things. Healthcare is in trouble and the government is in trouble because healthcare is in trouble and because the government funds so much of it and because it’s such a big budget item and one thing they have found about AI is that at least if this is accurate reporting, is that it is helpful when it comes to figuring out radiology scans. It finds things that humans don’t find.

So apparently the programming is pretty good with finding those kind of things and they turn out to be true in a significant number of cases. But today most of the AI is happening in administrative, but as you said, it’s going into clinical and why is that? So here’s why I think there’s this idea that it’s going to be the savior of healthcare as doctors leave early, Medicare nears insolvency and then the costs are just out of control, right? Everything’s unaffordable. They could think of it as a protector of rationing decisions. They could think of it as the new shiny objects. There’s a lot of money to be made in AI, government reporting requirements, maybe they could just take this off the doctor’s plate and he’d have more time with the patient, but they’re also adding it to Medicare, original Medicare in six states as a pilot project.

And at least in two of those states, reporting has come out of those states that patients are waiting and waiting and waiting for things that they never had to wait for before that they need. And then of course it could be that they want to, as doctors leave, they just want to have non-physicians running the healthcare system, just follow the protocols on the computer and you’ll be fine and nobody can sue you because you just followed the protocol on the computer. But of course that means one size fits all, no real critical thinking, whatever you put in the computer is what’s going to decide whatever comes out and a thinking doctor might decide something completely different. I think there’s all of these kind of things, but there’s a lot of money to be made and there’s a lot of people who are hoping that it’s going to either decrease the paperwork, it’s going to take the place of the doctors that are leaving.

It’s somehow going to save them politically as healthcare is just moving away from excellence today and moving so far into unaffordability.

Sam Rohrer:

You raised really good points on that, Twila. And when I look around, when you look and if you make a connection between, for instance, what’s happening with the expansion of AI right now, databases, 10,000 or potentially under construction or siting or that kind of thing and you look at the stock market, the market is up where it is in part due to this expansion of AI. So you get big money, big tech, big Amazon, big Google, big Palantir, these big entities, big Sam Altmans of the world, all of these are the billionaires who have made agreements with the government, particularly they’re now. There’s money involved. There’s money to be made. There’s money to be made at the expense of people and all of these things, I’m going to add those onto the table as well as drivers because they’re all connected. But to me, Twila we’re operating outside the Constitution, we’re operating outside the law.

We’re not looking down the road. Morals have nothing to do with algorithms. God’s word has nothing to do with algorithms. Right or wrong doesn’t exist within algorithms or AI. It’s pure pragmatism. And with that, then that obviously to me says humanity, human beings made in the image of God, privacy between a physician and a patient. Well, those things, they’re not valuable in an AI government controlled world. Just a few additional thoughts to throw out to you.

Twila Brase:

Well, one thing I would say is for all the things that they’re trying to find solutions for in healthcare, they’re completely driving in the wrong direction. And I think that’s because that’s where the people who want to make money are pushing them and giving them donations for their campaigns because the fact of the matter is all you have to do is move away from third party payment, give the dollars to the people, give them just regular health insurance so they control all the dollars. Nobody gets in the middle. All the prices come down And all the time with the patient goes up, doctors are happy. There’s no bureaucratic burdensome paperwork to do. We have the solution. The solution is really simple, but everybody who’s making money off of this system as it is, making money off the patient, making money off the doctor, just exploiting the whole thing, all of them do not want to have the simple solution employed because then they got to go find something else to do

Sam Rohrer:

And

Twila Brase:

They don’t want to.

Sam Rohrer:

There we are. Ladies and gentlemen, it really is. That’s the whole point as you look at it. Everything’s become so complex. Does that have to be? No. Is there a solution? Yes, there is. We’ll talk a little bit more about that. Also though, about this whole matter of DNA collecting- Well, as we enter our final segment here today, again, if you perhaps joined us partway through the program, Twila Brase, she’s the president and co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. They have a website I’ll give to you here at ccfreedom.org. A lot of information you’ll find there. Some of it will refer to what we’re talking about today, but there’s a whole lot more because the aspect of health freedom, as we talked about so much that when it comes to our health, if you want to scare a population into control, as we saw during the days of COVID, you just go after health and people will all of a sudden do very strange things or not do things because they fear for their health.

Government loves to get ahold of healthcare. How long has there been an attempt for government control of healthcare? It goes way back. Why is that one? Well, because if you control healthcare, you can control people’s lives. Where they go, where they work. You can control all kinds of things from impacting life insurance to all kinds of things that you can control. And when you hold people in a position where, well, I’m going to give you a little bit of money or I’m going to withhold money, the bribery becomes really big part of the system. Those in government who are not committed and submitted to God’s design for government, being servants of the people, what is their view? Our founders talk, right? We got Independence Day coming up. What do our founders tell us? Well, either the power is in the people and the control really is in the people or it goes to those in government.

And what is the natural tendency of government towards tyranny? And what is tyranny? It’s the control by a few of the many. This is the nature of man since the beginning. We see it in place right now in our government. Now, and past administrations too. It’s not just limited to on. That’s the nature of it. That is underneath what we’re seeing happening in health freedom and the targeting of that is a victim of that pursuit. So we’re talking about that today. Now this final area we want to talk about, I want to say it’s the corporate government hostile takeover of human DNA. Now we’ve talked about this. We’ll conclude with focusing on this because medical technology has been and is advancing at break neck speed. Scientists recently validating non-invasive fetal sequencing tests that can detect thousands of genetic conditions from a simple maternal blood sample.

And while presented as a miracle of modern medicine and it is, the underlying privacy threat is unprecedented. Prenatal and newborn DNA screening is moving faster than any legal safeguard and it’s raising a massive question, one of which is simply this. Who owns a baby’s genetic blueprint? And because your DNA is the most permanent medical record that you will ever have and a newborn cannot consent, this data is highly vulnerable to being stored, tracked, and utilized by government programs, law enforcement, or insurance algorithms decades down the road. So you get the idea of it. All right, Twila, we’ve talked about this matter of baby DNA. You’ve raised it as an issue. You have been for a long time. But just again, for the purpose of our listeners, why is a person’s DNA so valuable and why is there such a relentless pursuit of getting it? And then share again why a person’s DNA information is such a target by big tech, big government, and tie this into the latest attempts you’ve identified where this assault is literally happening as we speak.

Twila Brase:

Yes. Well, a lot of people don’t know that the newborn screening program is considered the largest population wide genetic testing program in the nation. So it’s a government program that tests the genetics of a newborn at birth, doesn’t do DNA testing, uses the metabolites in the blood to point out genetic conditions, but increasingly they want to actually do DNA testing or whole genome sequencing and the federal government is moving in that direction. In 2013, they offered $25 million to set up four projects. One of them was called Baby Seq. So sequencing, baby Seq. And they asked parents who just had a newborn if they would be willing to sequence their babies to lay out the entire DNA in a record of their newborn child. And Baby Seq, that particular project or the fore found something very interesting is lots of parents in the fog and the frenzy of delivery and they would say yes to this, but then a few weeks later when the researchers came, the majority of people said no.

They’d already thought about this and went, “Well, why would I do this to my baby? This is their whole genetic code laid out before they can even say no.” And so that was a $15 million grant. Those projects happened and now there’s a new $14.4 million grant plus money from different corporations who are participating in the project. And what they’re trying to do, it’s a, what’s it called? Why can’t I think of the name of this? Something Seek. It’s another sequencing thing.

Beacon, that’s what it’s called. Beacon NBS. NBS stands for newborn screening, Beacon MBS and they’re trying to get, I think it’s 300,000 parents to participate with their babies. And I was talking to one of the coordinators here in Minnesota who said two things said several things, I guess. One is that they are requiring parent consent and he said to me that really it’s because of your work, Twila, because we have stopped it here. We’ve given parents all sorts of rights in Minnesota and around the country having to do with this DNA testing of their child. But he also did mention, this is the whole genetic profile of the child and we should be asking for consent. But the other thing he said is we’re going to try and figure out why do parents say no. Why do parents say no? And I do not know if like with vaccination studies where they try to figure out why do parents say no in order to try to figure out the words that they could use to get the parents to say yes.

I don’t Know if that is what they’re trying to do with the newborn sequencing, but what we’re really talking about here when you ask about the value and why do they do it. Some people are doing it for money. Others are doing it for research and to get research grants and to get larger salaries from their universities. But there’s others who really want to do it because they’re building ways to profile. They’re learning how to do genetic research on people. Some probably have eugenics agendas. I’ve just been reading the book Bonhoeffer and just hearing what that regime did as they required reporting of every child with a birth defect. If you can find in the DNA certain things, you might decide that two people shouldn’t get married because they’re going to have a child with an expensive defect.

So exploitation and control I think are two words to think about here, but also privacy and rights because this child is going to grow up to be a voting adult who has had their medical privacy taken away, put in a government record, put in a corporate record, put in different records and never had a choice. I will say with the sequencing project, Beacon’s NBS, they’re going to look for around 700 different conditions and they’re going to blind or shield the rest of the conditions which are for going into adulthood. So they want to look just at the newborn. And I said, “Well, what are you going to do with the other stuff?” And he said, “We’re going to hope that they will contribute it to research.”

Sam Rohrer:

All right, ladies and gentlemen, Twila, we’re out of time. Ladies and gentlemen, we could go so much further on this because there are so many different applications, but you get the idea so much is being brought together. God out of the picture pragmatic immediately on the table and then you can see the problem.