Has America Lost Her Ability to Win: Lessons from Iran

Has America Lost Her Ability to Win: Lessons from Iran

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: J.R. McGee

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/6/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand in the Gap Today as we enter the first full week of July. Now joining me for our monthly focus on national security and international geopolitics through the lens of biblical prophecy is J.R. McGee. Now I trust that over the weekend you prayerfully reflected on our nation’s 250th birthday and carefully remembered what God demands. And what does God demand at times like this? Think about that. Well, starts with that with the fact that we give him glory, all the glory for the blessings of liberty, recognizing that a reverential fear of him and obedience to his commands remains the unchanging requirement for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And all those that I just said there comes off of our own national documents, but it’s also off the pages of scripture. And as I watched the celebrations in our nation’s capital, the focus, there were many things for which were really great, but one thing I walked away with looking at the core was the focus in my views I watched and observed was overwhelmingly on the brilliance of man’s efforts, making things to be the biggest or the loudest or the shiniest ever done.

Man’s promises of a new golden age of prosperity were directly linked to human achievement, omitting a humble acknowledgement of God as our creator, judge and sustainer and not that God was not mentioned. And I’m not saying that, but I think you understand what I’m saying. But I also noticed when historic heat and sudden storms repeatedly disrupted those human plans and replaced man’s fireworks actually superseded them with the raw power of God’s lightning and thunder and rain I was reminded of God’s absolute sovereignty. In his mercy, God is reminding our nation that as Benjamin Franklin stated on the floor of the Constitutional Convention of Philadelphia in 1787, that God alone rules in the affairs of men. That it is God alone who directs the hearts of kings and raises up one and puts down another, people and nations. And whatever earthly leader in whatever age and from whatever nation seeks the praise of man instead of directing glory and praise to God, Yahweh, the creator of God is very able to shake the ground, direct their tornado, open the floodgates or dry up the earth at his pleasure to force our attention to him.

So may we as God’s people keep our eyes focused on the Lord, walk obediently and look expectantly for his soon return, not just today but on the days ahead. And with that foundation in place, our focus today springs directly from this perspective. And together JR and I are going to consider the sobering lessons we should learn or must learn from our continuing engagement with Iran using it as a case study for America today. The title I’ve chosen to frame our conversation is this. Has America lost her ability to win Lessons from Iran? JR, welcome to the program.

J.R. McGee:

Sam, it is always a pleasure. What a magnificent weekend and an opportunity to look at what we’ve done versus what God’s done for us. And I think the revitalization of our focus on God is an opportunity for Christians to take this experience and learn from and develop just as you said. You were spot on target, my friend.

Sam Rohrer:

Let the light shine. Let’s do that in a… Let’s get going here. JR, as you and I discussed before the program, the undeniable elephant I would say in the room from a national security perspective is the ongoing engagement with Iran and it is ongoing. We’re constantly hearing, I’m going to say, shifting official narratives.This isn’t a war or is it just a temporary engagement or the threat is now neutralized where the status of the infamous MOU agreement seems to change by the day. Lots of uncertainty. Meanwhile, Iran continues to seem to escalate its demands, aggressively strengthening its alliance. I think with nations like China, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan, North Korea to name a few. Yet amidst all of this, one sobering premise you shared with me remains undeniably certain and it cuts I think straight to the heart of this. And that is this. Has America lost her ability to win?

Share the conclusion that you’ve reached from a military and strategic perspective and why.

J.R. McGee:

Pam, if you look at America’s engagement clearly from the last century, when we entered into World War I, we had a dramatic and dynamic impact on that war. And we helped bring that war to a very successful conclusion. When we entered into World War II, the United States had a dramatic and dynamic impact on winning that war. And those wars were fought until one side surrendered and that was the conclusion. One side totally gave up. The other side won. Once we entered into Korea and Vietnam and then Iraq, Afghanistan, you can go look at several of these engagements where we’ve negotiated strategies for peace and they’ve been very unsuccessful. North Korea is still at war with South Korea. Vietnam has completely gone under China’s control, but that was not successful for the United States. Iraq was clearly not successful for the United States. We were humiliated in our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Negotiated settlements don’t typically work. They do not last. And if you look at what’s going on, our actions have really dramatically impacted our allies in the region. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, even Oman. They’re looking at what we’re doing and they’re questioning just how reliable an ally the United States is. For example, we implemented a strategy in the straits of war moves and then immediately changed that without notifying Saudi Arabia. Number one, that embarrassed them. It surprised them and it had some serious consequences. That decision affected our relationship with Mohammad bin Salman long term. It caused Egypt and Jordan to even more so remove themselves from participating in that engagement. UAE was working very hard on our behalf and they actually were mounting some major raids into Iran with their Air Forces and having an impact. And we cut their legs out from under them.

We took actions that have harmed our allies and helped our enemies. We’ve given them the opportunity to regroup in ways that I just don’t understand sometimes, Sam. It’s a very difficult situation right now.

Sam Rohrer:

Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because we’ve laid this out here, what JR just did. And that raises the question, part of our theme today, has America lost her ability to win? And focus here is lessons from Iran. Taking Iran and what’s happening more or less as a case study when we come back, we’re going to begin a diagnosis. We’re going to look at the Iranian strategy. We’re going to talk about our own strategy. Third segment, we’ll talk about the global fallout, the geopolitical implications. Then we’ll come back with a remedy on all of this. Well, if you’re just tuning in today, thanks for being on board with us. This is Stan in the Gap today. My guest today is J.R. McGee. He’s with me generally once a month and we tend to focus on matters of national security, international geopolitics and do it through the lens of biblical prophecy.

And J.R.’s background, if you have not listened before, is one of counter-terrorism especially. He’s done a lot of training of some of the best of our best. Started his own group, Extreme Leadership. He’s the founder of that and the CEO. But strategic leadership is the area that he’s from primarily in the military area. Now that being the case, the theme today that we are pursuing, we try to be relevant to things that are happening in the news and this is it. Has America lost her ability to win? That’s a question by itself. We’re going to answer that as we go through, but we’re trying to tie it in specifically to the ongoing engagement with Iran because that is obviously something that continues and is dominating on the global scene as well as here at home. Now moving into that, as I said in the last segment, to truly understand the engagement with Iran.

And I’m going to say grasp the lessons that we must learn because that’s what we want to do today. Look at this as a case study and say, what can we learn? We can’t simply look at Iran’s actions or their rhetoric or the alliances that are being formed, although we’re going to do that. But we also have to consider the purpose, the goals and the strategic clarity or lack thereof as undertaken by our own nation because there’s not just one party involved. There are two. You could almost throw in Israel too to some extent, but we’re not going there so much today as the United States and Iran. So with that in mind, let’s pivot to a diagnosis of where things actually stand right now. JR, we certainly want to dissect what Iran is doing, what they’re saying, their rhetoric and all of that as it relates to the strait of Hormuz and threatening tolls there.

Their nuclear ambitions which remain and what they’re tying into their statements relative to the memorandum of understanding because all that’s there. But I first want to go here. Let’s start at home. I like the example of James, the book of James that talks about looking in the mirror. So let’s look in the mirror first from our perspective and then let’s look to Iran. So here would be my question to you here right now. Looking at the ledger, put it in that perspective, which US strategies, if any, have actually been effective? And which ones, if any, from your perspective are actively fueling at least a confusion around this engagement or this crisis involvement between Iran and the United States? So go there first and then we’ll go to Iran.

J.R. McGee:

Sam, clearly there are a couple of things that we did that were very effective. Number one is we took action when we said we were going to take action. We told Iran if they didn’t meet these criteria that we would take action and we did. They didn’t expect us to hit with the hubris that we did or the violence that we did. That was completely unexpected because previous presidents had not taken that tact. So the military was brilliant. Both our military and the Israeli military conducted a series of airstrikes that were extraordinarily effective in taking out a lot of their infrastructure. We did the strategic bombing on their nuclear facilities back in June of last year. But in February of 28, we really hit hard in a wide area of targets that were very effectively hit. And then the second thing that we did was we put into place a very effective blockade.

We looked at the strategic vulnerabilities that Iran had and their economy was being driven by their ability to ship oil out. And by taking that off the table, we put an economic noose around them. And that was probably as effective if not more effective than what we were doing militarily. Those two things were extremely effective, Sam.

The things that I think were not effective, there’s three things that happened. Number one, we stopped. We chose to pause the actions before it was finished. We had them on the ropes. They were almost at the point of having to surrender and yet we stopped and let them off the hook. The second thing that we did was even more confounding and that was we started this by saying that Iran could not have ICBMs or ballistic missiles. And then at some point President Trump said, “Well, maybe if the other people have them, they should be able to have them too.” So we changed our position on something that was a key principle of why we went to war to begin with. Iran was attacking her neighbors with these ballistic missiles very effectively. And then all of a sudden we said, “Well, we’ll let you have those.” What that did is told Iran that without giving up anything, Iran didn’t agree to anything in order for us to make that concession.

And that gave them hope that if they just had patience, that they could get the administration to agree to some other things. If ballistic missiles were okay, why not their nuclear program? And so on Friday of this past week, they made the announcement that they think that they’re still going to have to pursue nuclear weapons for their strategic national purposes. To announce to the world that they were going to continue to develop nuclear weapons doesn’t sound like they’ve made the agreement in any kind of an MOU to effectively cease those programs. I think that our direct actions have been extremely effective. Our indirect actions and our diplomacy has been a mess, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Let’s let Darika go so much deeper, but let’s move now to Iran, their statements. And as I’ve observed, it appeared to be rather consistent. They have said, “We’re not going to give up control of the state of Hormuz.” They never did. And we’re going to toll shipments. And that they say we’re going to start on that day 61 after the 60 days of the MOU theoretically. And they came back after the MOU basically and said, “Thank you for giving us everything that we wanted.” All right, what Iranian strategies have been effective and which ones do you think are problematic?

J.R. McGee:

It’s ironic. Militarily, Iran cannot win. They have not won. But politically and from a perception point of view, their very survival has been the win that they were looking for. And they have used that with their own people and the other Middle Eastern nations to show that they took the very best that United States and Israel had to throw at them and survived by leaving the regime in place and negotiating directly with the regime that was effectively there before this started. We’ve allowed them a political and propaganda victory that has been very powerful. That’s been very effective for them. The second thing that they’ve done is they did not have control over the Strait of Hormuz before this started and they didn’t make a dime off of it. Now, ironically, we’ve given them the opportunity to impart control over that. And here’s the thing.

If ships today, this moment, don’t follow the route that the Iranians tell them to go down, they get fired at with missiles. They’ve hit several ships with missiles while we’re ongoing in negotiations. And there’s only been a couple of mile strikes. And I’ll be very honest with you. The things that we’ve hit, their radar systems, their launchers, those are things that the Iranians feel that they can very easily afford. We haven’t struck anything that is of any considerable value to the Iranians. So they’ve been able to implement these activities without any effective cost. That has given them the impression that they can not only survive this, but come out of it in a more powerful situation. That’s incredibly ironic. Now, what is problematic is their economy and their people. They have been brutal for their own people. And ironically, the Iranian people are some of the most westernized people in the Middle East.

They really embrace the concept of freedom. It’s their government that has subjugated them and beaten that down. The Iranian people want to overthrow their government, but at every turn they’ve been frustrated and they’ve been frustrated most of all by lack of response from the Americans and their neighbors in giving them support and structure to help them go do that. At every point they’ve had their legs cut out from under them and they’ve been massacred by the thousands. We estimate more than 40,000 civilians were killed by the Iranian government during all of this because they protested and tried to overthrow their government. And instead of supporting them, we’re now negotiating directly with the people that committed that atrocity. That’s problematic, but it’s been very effective for the Iranians. I don’t understand exactly why we believe that people who tell us that they’re not going to follow an agreement are going to follow an agreement simply because they’ve put it on paper.

They’ve never done that. I found that in this world, I have to pay a lot more of attention to what people do versus what they say. And in this case, we seem to be wanting people to say one thing and disregarding what they do. And the Iranian actions been very dramatic, but our actions have been not so dramatic and not nearly as dependable.

Sam Rohrer:

With that, ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. It brings us up to another break here because we could have gone so much deeper on that, but you have two major players in the United States. You have Iran. You have policies, you have statements, you have rhetoric statement that’s not always true. You have declarations, all kinds of things that are happening. And then you have what actually works out. Now when we come back, the result of all this is that there are many implications. When we come back, JR and I are going to talk about implications to our adversaries and implications of all these to our friends.

Every major policy or political initiative and most of what when we look at what’s happening in the news, which we try to focus here on most of our programs and then apply to it a means by which we evaluate it from a biblical worldview perspective and where it pertains a constitutional consideration. But whatever we see, it’s almost always driven by some kind of a policy, governmental policy, which is almost all governmental policies are shaped by political vantages and those kinds of initiatives. All of those things that we see, if you go and you consider what it is and why it came and all of that, then things begin to make sense. But point being all policy, political initiatives are driven by some underlying philosophy. That’s the key point. And it might be an extension of a person’s theological view. After all, every person does what they believe.

We talk about that often here. It could be an intentional product of deception and pragmatism. Much policy is driven right out of that because statements are made that they knowingly are not true from the beginning because they’re wanting to lead people stray as an example. Some policies are in fact a reflection of law. Could be constitutional law or whatever. And I’m just talking in a general sense, including what’s happening here in our nation. Often, increasingly, policies that we see and things that are happening are the result of the influence of outside money. It could be the bankers that’s controlling the money or some kind of investment type things that are happening or those who are trying to bribe with their money, those who are in office. That’s happening all over. We call it corruption and bribery. All right. Now, one or more of these things may be involved.

In our case study of Iran today, every one of these factors are in play to some degree. And together it creates massive public confusion as in what is the truth? What happening? Yeah, one unchanging principle remains is this, choices produce consequences. And when it comes to Iran, the implications of what has dominated the headlines now, believe it or not, the last 128 days. That’s what it is right now, 128 days from the start of this war on February 28th to this very day here on July 6th. And it runs incredibly deep and broad. So anyways, let’s get into that. JR, identify some of the implications of our policies as they are impacting our, let’s put it this way, historic friends. And then I want to move or you can just move and segue right into it how it’s impacting our adversaries because both are being impacted and you’ve already alluded to some of that.

J.R. McGee:

Sam, we’ve talked a little bit about some of our Middle Eastern friends, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, the UAE, Buran, Kuwait, even Oman. They’re looking at all these things and they see the power of our military. And that is a very positive thing. Everybody is looking to see exactly how effective that has been. And yet the instability of that and the confusion on some of the diplomatic areas that we’re going down are creating a desire for a backup plan. I’ll call it a backup plan. Everybody wants to say the right things and have the right agreements, but we’ve actually driven some of our Middle Eastern allies into a situation where they’re creating a new alliance that doesn’t include the United States. And that’s not a good thing. The United States and Russia have been in conflict for many years since the end of the Cold War over who was going to be the protector of the Middle East.

And Obama invited Russia back in when we had the chemical warfare issues with Syria and the United States became dominant again, but now our actions have created some doubt. And that’s causing some of our key allies to look at what’s going on and ask themselves, what do we do if it’s us where the United States changes directions in the middle of the stream? And then it’s also affecting NATO, the European allies, Australia, Japan, especially Taiwan. Oh my gosh, we could do an entire show on what’s going on in the South China Sea right now. The key elements that I think is you’ve got to look at what people are learning from this. And I’ll give you one example. I think the Chinese in particular have gone to school on the United States. They’ve studied what’s happening in detail. And there’s four or five things that they’ve learned from this that I think are very important.

Number one, I call it the enemy within. They looked at how effectively Israel in particular was able to penetrate the Iranian leadership potentials, their ranks. And we took out so many Iranian leaders in the opening minutes of the war because we knew exactly who they were. We knew exactly where they were. We knew exactly how to get to them. And that lesson was very powerful. And it was very, very obvious that people did not appreciate how effective that penetration is in terms of warfare to be prepared. So learning how to protect your inner structures is a lesson that all of our major adversaries are taking away from this. And then the second lesson is you cannot compete with superior firepower. And that is exactly why China is spending so much money on their Navy right now. They realize becoming conflict is going to be a naval war, not so much an aerial war, but a naval war.

And they’ve got a significant advantage over the United States from a naval perspective. We’re in deep trouble with our surface naval and subsurface naval capabilities. The third lesson is the power or the illusion of victory. It looked to all the world to include me that we had won this effort with Iran convincingly, that there was just no way that Iran was going to survive this. And yet they’ve come out of this with every single thing that they’ve asked for and they’re getting even more than they asked for. And I think by the time this is over, we’re going to find out that Iran

Is going to match biblical prophecy and come out of this powerful enough to threaten Israel once again, just as the Bible’s told us that. The fourth lesson is the power of the supply chain. Understanding you’ve got to have all of the munitions that you need for a sustained campaign. Our military’s performed brilliantly. Our equipment has been almost magical in its ability to shoot down other missiles. I mean, President Reagan’s Star Wars vision has come true, but yet no system is perfect. And what everybody’s learned is no matter how good the system is, if you overwhelm it with sheer numbers, it’s vulnerable. And so that means that you’ve got to have magazines that are deep. You’ve got to have a lot of backup. You’ve got to be able to keep that up for a long time because if the enemy has 10,000 missiles and you’ve only got 6,000, you can shoot down the first 6,000, but the next 4,000 are going to hit you.

The Soviets had a statement in the Cold War that was very effective and still effective today. Quantity has a quality all of its own. And I think China has learned that very, very effectively. Last but not least, China’s learned the lesson of persistence. Iran is being successful in this simply because they’re not giving up. They just haven’t surrendered. And the United States has lost patience. Here’s my key point, Sam. The United States can be brilliant militarily. We can overcome anybody strategically, but the United States populated by people now with no patience. I mean, we’re talking about this war lasting 128 days. World War II lasted four and a half years. We’ve had wars that have lasted hundreds of years over the course of human nature. We expect wars to be over in a week now. The American people look at the Iranians and say, “Oh well, okay.

Well, they’re going to get a nuclear weapon. I don’t care as long as gasoline goes down by 25 cents a gallon.” That’s a terrible lesson to pull from this, but that’s something that our adversaries are looking at and saying that the American people may be brilliant militarily, but they’ve got no patience and they’ve got no stomach for winning. They just want peace at any price. That’s a very dangerous place for us to be to have our adversaries realize that as long as they can be effective long term, they will always win because it doesn’t matter how good you are in round one. It’s the fighter who’s there at the end of the round 15 that wins the fight. That’s something that we just don’t appreciate. And we think that because we’ve always been dominant on the battlefield, we’ll always be dominant on the battlefield. Yield.

That’s not true. AI is moving so fast that the weapons of today will be outpaced and outdone by the weapons of tomorrow, literally by tomorrow. I’ll give you the example of Ukraine. The Ukrainians are dominating the development of long range drone systems. In fact, they just hit the largest oil refinery in Russia yesterday. They’ve taken out over 38% of Russia’s oil refinery capability. That’s bringing Russia to their knees. And that’s been done clearly since this started. The technology is advancing so rapidly that if you don’t keep up and you don’t have patience to win,

You will ultimately lose. That’s something that our people haven’t learned or they’ve forgotten. And I think that’s a terrible vulnerability, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

And JR, ladies and gentlemen, Steve Weathers will come back and we’re going to talk about remedy here in the end. Now, in light of all of these things that we’ve discussed here today, how does it affect the average citizen? What should the average citizen do? And what should the citizen who is a believer do and conduct ourselves? Well, as we go into our final segment here, today we’ve talked about a number of things, but fundamentally this question is has America lost her ability to win? And then looking at the engagement with Iran somewhat as a case study, and we haven’t gone into full depth on that because there’s more to it from a believer’s perspective than just winning. Let me share just a few thoughts here and then we’ll go into some application. But as we’ve stated so many times here on this program, you cannot discuss the geopolitics of the Middle East and certainly Israel without examining them through the lens of scripture and biblical prophecy because ultimately, doesn’t it come down to worldview?

And the answer is yes. For instance, if a president, a lawmaker or a policy advisor truly feared God and understood prophecy and operated according to a biblical world of view, their choices, their alliances, their policies and their personal conduct would reflect that. And if that were the case, they could expect God’s blessing. Now why is it? Because that’s what the word of God says. And our purpose here today is not to go back and revisit so many examples in the Old Testament, but they are there of leaders and people who made choices because everybody has to. But you see, if a leader has no fear of God and they are ruled by pragmatism or compromised by greed and pride and corruption, their choices and their decisions and their policies will reflect that. And it will be in rebellion to God and judgment can’t be expected.

How do we know that? Because that’s what the Bible says. Now unfortunately, in our day in which we live, I don’t know of any leader anywhere around the world who is really exercising a biblical worldview in regard to fiscal policy, economic policy or anything, family policy. It’s not there. It doesn’t happen. And it’s not going to be there biblically. That’s what we know. It’s not going to be there until Jesus Christ returns and we enter the millennial kingdom. Then for the first time, we will see all of this work out exactly as God has laid out in his word, but not until then. So we’re witnessing a lot of other things and what result in confusion and the things we’ve talked about today. So all right, I’ll just leave that there. But JR, from your perspective, how does this that we’re talking about, how does it affect the average citizen from your perspective?

And then I’m going to say specifically the citizen who is a believer. How does it affect them, impact them? And then move into that to what should those who have eyes to see, those who are sensitive to the word of God, to a biblical worldview, what should they be doing and how should they be conducting themselves in these days? Because we’re all making a choice. Right. So work those together, please.

J.R. McGee:

I think Israel’s doing some really good things that we could take note of. Israel’s looking at what’s going on and they’re saying, “Okay, we can support this, but we are also going to do the right thing.” And Netanyahu said this weekend, “It doesn’t matter what agreement comes out of this. Israel will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon regardless of what anybody else says. They’re going to take care of the Iranian people. ” I think we should follow a similar path. And as Christians, look at what’s going on from a biblical point of view. And I don’t think… You have to be honest. A lot of these things are not only confusing and concerning, but they’re depressing. And I don’t think that that should be the message that Christians take out of this. I think Romans chapter 15: four says it perfectly. “For whatsoever, things were written a four time were written for our learning that we through patient and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” I find a lot of hope in all of this, Sam, because if I look at everything that’s going on, I can’t allow myself to be overwhelmed by current events that don’t seem to make sense.

They’re all tied together, all of these things. You mentioned the economics, you mentioned the world affairs. You mentioned all these other things that seem to be disparate and unconnected, but I find they’re all being driven and they’re all being driven by things that the Bible has told us going to happen in the last days. Now I don’t have a timeline and I think the Bible clearly says that those who do have a timeline are either fooled or foolish. But I do know that the Bible says that we should be able to discern the times just as a sailor can discern the sky at night and look at the weather. You can look at all these things and see what’s coming. If I see the storm clouds on the horizon and I see those storm clouds moving in my direction, I’m going to prepare myself and my home and my family for rain.

I think we have to do the same thing. We don’t fear the rain. We prepare for the rain. And I think part of what we need to do is learn to start looking at exactly what people are doing and not what they’re saying. Iran, our case study today is a good example of that. They say one thing, but they do something completely different. And I think if you look at what they’re doing, that’s where you find the honesty. And it’s the same thing with politicians. It’s the same thing with American politicians. I’m learning not to listen to what people say because they will say things that tickle our ears. I’m learning to watch very closely what people do. And as I’m following what people do, that tells me, are they following a biblical worldview? Or are they doing something that is going to lead us down a bad path or lead us astray?

And I think that if we look at how all of this has been predicted and it’s described in detail and frankly, Sam, I’m looking at some of this stuff and it’s almost like when I’m reading the Bible, it’s taken from last week’s news headlines. It’s hard to read that and not see exactly how this is lining up. And a Bible that can predict the future is something that tells me, okay, well, what it says about everything is accurate. And it goes all the way back to the gospel of Jesus Christ. If the Bible is accurate about what’s happening today, I have to believe it was accurate about what it said about Jesus. And Jesus says, “I am the truth, the life and the way. No man cometh to the Father but by me. ” That’s who we should be putting our eyes on. That’s who we should be following.

Not a man, not a government, not a country. Nobody loves the United States more than I do. I was blown away this weekend by all the emotions that this aroused in me. But as I’m looking at all of this, I’m even more blown away by the fact that I follow a living God who created all this, designed all this and prepared this plan so that all of this comes together for his purpose. And it’s to show us he’s in charge, not us. He’s in control, not us. And we should be following him, not other people. So instead of having this to be confusing and depressing, I find this to be very exciting. I find that there’s hope. I find that now is the time for me to reach out and talk to friends and family and business coworkers about what I believe and why I believe it.

And I can tie it directly to what’s going on and say, “Here’s why this is happening. Here’s what I believe. And here’s why this has to be true.

Sam Rohrer:

This

J.R. McGee:

Has to true because this, this and this. I love science. I follow logic. And there’s no difference between science and the Bible. There’s no difference between logic and the Bible.”

Sam Rohrer:

And JR, JR, we’re out of time. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us today. JR, thank you for being with us. Ladies and gentlemen, remember, we have a choice. God has given us free will. Choose life. Choose to fear God and keep his commandments. Choose for those things. What scriptures say for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see. I pray that you are among that.