Squeezed From All Sides: Patient Health Freedom

Squeezed From All Sides: Patient Health Freedom

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Twila Brase

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/20/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand in the Gap today as we begin this third full week of July and where today we focus again here on health freedom and our monthly health freedom update with CCH Freedom’s president and co-founder Twila Brase. And I will give you their website well right now and later, cchfreedom.org. Anyways, let’s go on to it. Well, there are many threats to our freedom. We’ve talked about that in these last days, particularly as we’ve just gone by our 250th, but we’re really in our nation’s 250th year. So we’re talking a lot about that, but freedom. There are many threats to our freedom. And we talk about it routinely here because they range well wide and great, economic and financial. They impact our freedom. Political and philosophical, why we do what we do and why government does what they do, that’s a big threat.

I think there’s none so large as our nations move from trusting in God in God we trust, which we don’t really do anymore. And from trusting in God to trusting in government. And where those in government are clearly chasing money as indicators of success more than character and where pragmatism is embraced and pursued and exalted far more than principle. Well, all of these impact all aspects of freedom and few areas of civil freedom are impacted more than health freedom. That’s why we talk about it in this program. That’s why Twila, my guest today, spends her full time on that. So if you feel like navigating the modern healthcare system has become and is becoming even more exhausting, well, you’re not imagining it. I’ve had discussions with people over the weekend personally and everyone that I’ve talked with, what they are encountering is delay and headache and uncertainty.

So you get it because that is what’s happening. Now today, the average American patient is quite literally being squeezed I think from all sides caught between well, top down government mandates, corporate hospital monopolies, automated artificial intelligence. We’ve talked about that. And rogue bureaucratic spending, all of these things that are all coming at us. And the ultimate casualty in this corporate state alliance isn’t just your wallet and my wallet. It’s our fundamental medical and health freedom. So today we’re going to be unpacking this urgent reality under the theme squeezed from all sides patient health freedom. And again, joining me to pull back this curtain and go much more into depth on that is Twila Brase. She is the president and the co-founder of the Citizens Council for Health Freedom, a tireless defender of the doctor patient relationship. And we’re going to get into this as we go into it.

Now segment one here, we’re going to start looking at a, well, it’s a stunning pivot from the federal government. For years you know thousands of citizens who suffered severe injuries from COVID-19. We remember that. Still experiencing it, many are. But those who sought help because they suffered injuries, they faced a brick wall. Absolute liability immunity granted by government to the very people responsible for making the severe injuries possible. Claims were denied, suffering was dismissed, but now the Department of Health and Human Services has suddenly proposed creating what they call a federal injury table for COVID shot injuries to potentially allow compensation through countermeasures in what they call injury compensation program. On surface looks good, but is that the truth? Twila, welcome to the program.

Twila Brase:

Well, I’m so glad to be here. Thank you, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Twila, after years of stonewalling, really stonewalling, I gave just a couple of references there, but thousands of denied claims by people all across the country. Health and human services has suddenly moved or is moving to create a federal injury table for COVID-19, what they call countermeasures. Here’s my question. Why now? And is this a genuine admission of widespread injury or perhaps a bureaucratic maneuver to quiet mounting public pressure? What do you think?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think we’ll never know exactly what’s going on behind the scenes, but the one thing that I could say is that it probably deals with an issue that’s a priority for Secretary Bobby Kennedy. As you might recall, he fired the vaccine committee and replaced it with a whole different cast and crew of more what people would call vaccine skeptics, but actually vaccine truthers might be another name for them. And then he just recently tackled the emergency use authorizations, which allowed COVID shots to become mandates with insufficient data or study of their harms. So these EUAs, emergency use authorizations, they’re going to be shut down in a year. So now I think it might be that he’s just creating a way to make the injuries visible because nobody talks about the injuries. The people who are living with the injuries are, you might hear about them on Twitter, but the powers that be you don’t want to talk about them.

And so the proposal says that one way that an individual who was administered or used a covered countermeasure, that’d be a vaccine, can show that they sustained a covered injury is by demonstrating that they sustained an injury listed on the countermeasures injury table. Don’t you love how they use these words countermeasures? Because American public don’t know what countermeasures are, but they include things like the shots. They include things like the mask, all of those things during a pandemic. And so it’s all going to be visible and that all by itself will make it so that reporters on any side can take a look and do something with the data. Legislators can do something with the data. So it’s possible he’s just trying to move in their direction because for the most part, they’ve been silent.

Sam Rohrer:

And Twila, the reality is from the highest level in the current government, there’s still not a problem with the policies that put all of this into place. And it seems like Bobby Kennedy’s trying to do some of this on his own. Here’s the question. If the proposal goes through and if the countermeasures injury compensation program actually goes into place, do you think it actually will offer real justice to injured Americans or does it perhaps just entrench government even more? Because now they get to define what a legitimate injury is. And of course, as you said, that’s in the details and the average person has no idea how to fight in that arena.

Twila Brase:

So one thing to know is that the proposed rule is expected to come out in November with basically 60 days of public comments. So the comment would be done in January and anybody can leave comments and they have to read the comments. They don’t have to respond to them, but they have to at least note what different kinds of comments came in. And so I guess that I would say it kind of depends on when the final rule comes out and what are the definitions. Are there definitions listed in that final rule that say what these things are? But once these hard numbers start to emerge, they can find an audience and perhaps engagement by people who have power. Whether or not people actually get the kind of compensation that they want, I think is also a question, especially.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we don’t know, but we need to stay up on that. We’ll keep you up to date on it. Stay with us, come back as Twila Brase joins me squeezed from all sides patient health freedom. Well, if you’re just joining us, this is our monthly focus on health freedom. We call it a health freedom update. And Twila Brase, who is the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom, their website CCH Freedom, citizenscouncilhealthfreedom, cchfreedom.org, where you can find a lot of information. Even some of the links that provide at least a great deal of information that leads to the research behind some of what we’re presenting today, you can find there as well. The theme today is simply this, squeezed from all sides, patient health freedom. And I described that a little bit in the first segment.

We’re talking about certain things that are changing and stay with us all the way the end and all this will be fit together. But today, this theme, squeeze from all sides, patient health freedom is something that the best way to describe what I think all of us are feeling. Anytime you go to a doc, physician’s office, or hopefully you don’t go to the hospital, but anytime you go to the hospital, you’re really seeing it. All kinds, all sides. But when it comes to health, see, true freedom of any type requires options. If you can’t exercise your free will, it’s not freedom. If you don’t have choices, and I’m going to say independently and unpressured choices, you don’t really have liberty. If somebody gives you pick from these two and they’ve already decided the choices, that’s not freedom. And frankly, right now, the growing oligarchical, I’m going to call it that way, and the corrupt uniparty government system and corporate state aspect, what we see developing on steroids today in our country, they’re systematically eliminating our alternatives.

New data reveals a staggering reality. For instance, nearly half of all of US physicians have all been swallowed up, employed by or affiliated with massive corporate hospital systems. And we’ve talked about that much on this program, but this number’s big. Keep that in mind. Over half. And when corporations take over, costs don’t go down. They really don’t. They increase. They skyrocket. And with hospital affiliated practices already now charging up to 26% more than independent doctors, that’s just an indication. But when politicians and corporate donor types that we witness today unite, the quality goes down even faster and the prices go up even faster. But it isn’t just the independent doctors that are disappearing. It’s the alternative payment systems. In Washington State, for example, and Twila brought this to my attention, regulators out there recently forced out Zion Health Share, a voluntary health sharing arrangement under the guise of insurance regulation.

Now, this is not something new when I was in the Pennsylvania House. We fought it here too. So it’s not something new, but it is continuing, perhaps increasing. There’s no question that the state is terrified of anything it cannot control, fully control. And if we lose the independent doctor, well, we lose voluntary sharing ministries and we lose the escape hatches from a broken system. All right. Now Twila, let’s look at this twofold squeeze. I’m going to put it that way. The data shows nearly half of US physicians are swallowed up in corporate hospital systems, driving up costs by 26%. How does the loss of the independent local doctor fundamentally destroy the traditional private doctor-patient relationship? You’ve been through before, but lay it out again so people understand it please.

Twila Brase:

Well, to be clear, just for a few more statistics, nearly 80% of doctors are now employees with 47% of them employed by hospitals. So all of these doctors have a boss and it is not the patient. And so they are dependent on third parties for payment, not patients, which means that they cannot set the prices. And it means that they are working for somebody else who sets the price. So even if they’d want to give you a lower price, they wouldn’t be allowed to. But maybe worse than that is the fact that because they’re working for somebody else, their time is being wasted. They’re spending more time doing paperwork than patient care. One guy on Twitter did a survey of his entire clinic and he found out that the doctors on average spent 11% of their time with patients and 37% of their time doing data input on the computer.

So all of their medical skills are being wasted on data entry and you’re having a hard time even getting to see a real doctor because they’re not available. And so you’re getting a non-physician in many, many clinics around the country. All of this is from Obamacare. All of this is from the electronic health record mandate, which is consuming their time and has allowed all of these entities that control them to require that they report just so much data. And that’s why they’re focused on

The data rather than the patients. And that means that building a patient-doctor relationship is really tough because it’s not where their focus is anymore.

Sam Rohrer:

Let me do a quick follow up. You said 80% of docs now, are you talking about like frontline physicians? 80%, maybe it’s beyond not just them, but all docs, but 80% you said do not work for themselves. Is that what you said?

Twila Brase:

I said almost 80% and it is of all physicians do not

Sam Rohrer:

Work for

Twila Brase:

Themselves.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Now let me ask you a question because you said if they don’t work for somebody else, they’re not even free to come up with an arrangement with a patient. How about the 20% that work for themselves? Do they have the freedom to do that or are they controlled somehow still?

Twila Brase:

So there are two different versions of that. There’s the ones that are perfectly free. They are cash based. And so they don’t have insurers controlling them. They don’t have government controlling them. The patient is their only client. And so they just work for the patient. But for those who are independent, but they’re still taking Medicare, they’re still taking Medicaid, Obamacare, insurance, then they’re under contracts with those entities. They are still not free, but they don’t have a bigger corporation writing into contract with those and then coming down and telling the doctors thus you shall act. Thus you shall not. So there are different levels of freedom or enslavement.

Sam Rohrer:

There you go. I was going to use that exact word. The degrees of enslavement. Let’s go into this because not just the docs are disappearing, what we’re just talking about here, but the alternative payment models that would allow for the cash that we’ve talked about much you just referenced. I mentioned that example, what’s happening at Washington State forcing out the Zion health share. Why is the administrative state, from your perspective, so terrified of voluntary health sharing ministries and arrangements? And could I be accurate to include within that any kind of cash based interaction with a patient and a doctor?

Twila Brase:

Yes, because it shows them up. So there’s a big plan. It doesn’t include freedom of the doctor or freedom of the patient because when you have freedom, it’s so much better for everyone. Everyone. The doctor, the patient is more affordable. So if you allow the patients and doctors to escape, that interferes in the big plan, which is socialism, which is corporate control, communism, wherever all different sorts want to take it, but they can’t afford for Americans to see something that shows it can be done better, more ethically, more timely and more affordably because that just screws up their ability to get the American people to believe this is the only way and here we must go.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And that logically leads right into an option because it does no good just to complain without some kind of an option for people. Choice. You’ve talked about the wedge on your spots that we run in our program here. You often talk about the wedge. Talk about that. How does expanding direct pay medicine, cash, I would assume that patient to physician, how does that serve as the ultimate, put it this way, escape hatch for patients looking to break free? Well, the squeeze on all sides?

Twila Brase:

So everyone knows the power of cash. The wedge of health freedom at jointhewedge.com really demonstrates the power of cash, the freedom of cash. You hold the dollars in your hand and you do not release them unless you like what you see, you like what you’re going to get. It’s a transaction that’s a win for you. It’s a transaction that’s a win for the other party. But when you have third party payment, it puts outsiders in control of medical decisions. First party payment puts you, the patient, with the advice of the doctor in control of those decisions. It makes all prices transparent. It makes negotiation possible. And the best interest of the patient is paramount because the patient is holding the cash. Now some people get worried about that because they think, “Oh cash, I can’t pay for healthcare and cash.” You have no idea how inexpensive this could be, but as soon as you get all those third party payers and all their hands taken out of the pot, all their hands requiring reporting and everything expensive, as soon as you take them out, you would not believe how affordable this is.

Plus if you get real catastrophic coverage that just pays for the catastrophes and everything else is with cash, all the prices come down to the cash level. Just like at the surgery center of Oklahoma where surgeries are 50 to 90% less than the hospital up the street, because it’s all done in cash. And so cash is a beautiful thing and it can definitely break everybody free if we just move to cash, catastrophic coverage that’s only for the catastrophic events and everything else, everything would become just like it is for the rest of your life, the power of cash.

Sam Rohrer:

Ladies and gentlemen, I think you all know the power of cash. The push by government, the push by corporate entities is to try to remove cash. Why do you think that is? Well, it’s because it would reduce these options. And we’ve talked about on other programs. Now keep that in mind because there’s a lot happening on that. The next segment I’m going to move to the area of, well, in healthcare, AI. We’ve talked about AI. AI in its inroads in healthcare. There’s a pushback happening. Stay with us. We’ll talk about that in just a minute. Well, welcome back to Stand in the Gap Today as we continue our look here at how American patients, you and I, are being, well, what I’m calling squeezed from all sides. And that’s referring to what we’re finding, what we’re all experiencing when it comes to, well, the seeking of healthcare directly, indirectly.

Anyway, going to a doc, going to the hospital, many different ways. And I think we all know that it’s not just one part of the country. It’s all over. Consider the trap that’s been laid to catch and destroy true health freedom and patient choice. For instance, first, we’re funneled into a massive consolidated corporate hospital system. Well, because the independent docs are being forced out. Okay. This is all strategic. It’s happening. It’s really what we’ve been talking about. But it gets worse because it goes beyond that because once you’re in that corporate system, the person making the decisions about your care, my care might not even be a doctor at all. It could be a person but lesser than a qualified physician doctor. It might not even be a person likely to be an algorithm. Today we’re witnessing a massive corporate push to use AI, artificial intelligence in literally every area of life.

AI, the data centers which are going up all around the country, presidential executive orders, particularly under this administration particularly, but deals with billionaires involved with AI or cameras and surveillance and tracking. All of them being pushed by politicians on both sides and this White House specifically. Now again, all of under the promise that this is going to bring on the golden age. It’s going to make America great again. It’s going to keep us in front of the Chinese. Those are the reasons to push the AI. And anybody who questions that, they’re told to sit down because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Now, the area of healthcare has been targeted like no other. For instance, AI has been merged with the area impacting all of us. One of those is called prior authorizations. Have you had one of those recently? You have to before you get any care done.

Essentially, letting automated software code, the algorithms instantly deny coverage and ration care actually before a human being even looks at your chart. Thankfully, there is some pushback. And several states are passing laws requiring that a living breathing licensed physician actually makes the final call on medical denials. Now, Twila, again, all of what I just said, we have talked about in bits and pieces and some in more depth on other programs, but this AI trend frankly is chilling because we’re seeing a massive corporate push to use AI for prior authorizations. That’s the initial gateway into whether or not you’re even going to get approval for whatever it is you need. And an algorithm, not a breathing human, an algorithm decides who gets treatment and who doesn’t. So from a patient’s rights standpoint, what are the inherent dangers as you see it of replacing a physician’s judgment, a real life person’s evaluation and judgment with an AI algorithm?

Twila Brase:

Well, I guess I would start with two things. AI listening and transcribing versus AI decision making, because AI listening and transcribing is going to impact AI decision making. So first the question is, is the AI decision, is it a computer decision based on accurate data? So I was just talking to somebody on Friday and she was telling me her situation in the exam room where she had been there to visit this independent doctor. And this independent doctor had asked, “Is it okay if I record?” And she said, “Yeah.” And then this woman came back for her second appointment and the doctor went over some of her statistics from the last visit. This woman said, “That’s not me.

That’s not true.” And then she said that the doctor was just horrified because this is what AI had put into this person’s medical record. So everything was wrong. And I told this person, I said, “You better go back and make sure that they stripped it out. Because otherwise, if it ends up anywhere, it’s going to just go on as a permanent record. Under HIPAA, it’ll be shared different places. So this might be AI hallucinating. This might be AI thinking it was a different person that first name started that way or the last name started that way or whatever. And so you have to decide first and foremost, do you want a computer listening to your entire transaction? And we created a door hanger for patients to use that said privacy, please, no ambient listening. And people can get that. We’re going to put it on the website shortly.

But with AI decisions, which is what you’re asking here, there’s no ethics. There’s no moral code. It’s whoever programmed the computer, whatever they put in there. And if there’s not enough data, it will hallucinate. It will grab data from a variety of places, make up diagnoses, make up treatments, make up all sorts of things. And so I think you just have to know that from the get go, that this is happening and it’s happening all over.

Sam Rohrer:

And see the problem with that… Well, there’s a lot of problems with that. So let me go ahead to this next part first and then maybe back into it because when something, not a someone makes decisions, there is no liability. You can’t sue an algorithm. And like you say, if you’re not reviewing the records and reviewing it close to the time, you’re not even going to remember. And now you’ve got something on your chart, something that says something that you have or you don’t have. What you’re describing there is significant potential harm to the patient, not good.

Twila Brase:

Well, absolutely, because what is truth anymore? And with the way that HIPAA now allows your entire medical record be shared for all these sorts of things with all these sorts of people. And if you find an error, are you even going to know where it went? And suddenly it becomes truth on you. And it’s not truth, but it is the basis of which AI later is going to decide through prior authorization that the care that you want and need, you cannot have because given what they see or they see, right? Given what the computer pulls out of your medical record to evaluate, it doesn’t seem like it fits in the medically necessary category and they will just deny the care.

Sam Rohrer:

There we are. Deny the care, ration care, however you talked about. Let’s go on to this next part because some states, you’ve noticed, and I’ve mentioned it here, are attempting to pass laws. Some are passing laws, pushing back theoretically, requiring a living licensed physician to make the final coverage denial. I’m going to put it this way. If that is the case, that sounds like a win. Here’s the question. Is state level legislation enough to stop this AI driven rationing or are the broader government corporate health plans already too dependent on these AI automated denials?

Twila Brase:

So the reality is that the states can push back under 10th Amendment rights. They can push back even against the federal government. Individuals can push back, which is why these bills are even coming up because there’s a great concern here. And let’s not forget that legislators are patients themselves. They have children that they care about. They have parents that they care about. And when they see this coming in, they get unnerved. And so we’re never too far to back up. I was just reading the book Bonhoeffer and Bonhoeffer told a co-prisoner right before he died that the only fight which is lost is that which we give up. So the other side wants you to think this is all inevitable. This is the way healthcare is going to be in the future. Nevermind that it could be unethical. It could kill you. It could anything.

But that’s all propaganda at work. If you can be convinced that there is no way out, you will not rise up. But a wrong can always be righted just like the government ER, EHR or electronic health record in the exam room and at the bedside. It’s our intent to actually right this wrong through an affordable patient-centered parallel system that we’re going to be advancing. So wrongs can be righted, but you actually have to believe it’s possible and then you have to take it on and be persistent.

Sam Rohrer:

And Twila, I’m going to follow up and second what you’re saying. All of you listening to me right now, know that it can be as long as we have state government and federal government. States can do an awful lot to help protect individual rights such as what we’re talking about today. But I will also say that the federal government has bought off most of the states. The governors of states are key. The legislators are key, but so much federal money coming into the states, it’s going to require… Hire strong individuals in the state, the legislatures, state House, State Senate, to pick up this vision of what they can do and stay at it. But the power is there. The ability to make a change is there. So Twila, it’s very critical and thank you for making this note and mentioning that because ladies and gentlemen, the only fight that’s lost is a fight in which you give up.

So that’s a great point, Twila, you’ve made. All right, when I come back, there’s another area that we want to talk about to conclude with. Well, something that Twila and her team have come up with. It’s an idea for how to oversee what they would call rogue bureaucratic spending, of which there is a lot. Be back in just a moment. Well, as we go into our final segment, thanks for being with us. If you have been from the beginning, if you’ve joined us partway through a reminder that you can pick up this program and all of our programs, this Stand in the Gap today, Monday through Friday hour program or the weekend hour program Stand in the Gap weekend or the Stand in the Gap Minute program, which is embedded into one of the breaks you heard that program. You can find all of those on our website at standinthegapradio.com or if you have not downloaded our app, it’s free.

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Now that being the case, let’s get right into it because we’ve reached the final segment here. And one of the primary rules of understanding government overreach of which it is all around us is follow the money. Now that’s hard to do these days because the government’s just crossed over 39 and a half trillion dollars in debt. Who can follow a trillion dollars, let alone 39 and a half trillion? That is a problem created by politicians on both sides of the aisle. And it’s gone on for a long time and it’s a crime. We’re not going there at the moment. But what happens is the corporate bureaucratic machine, put it that way, policy that comes out of government aided and abetted by appointed by unelected bureaucrats we call them in the various departments together, well, they squeeze people and they don’t run on good intentions. It runs on billions of our dollars.

Taxpayers right now are funding a staggering $13.4 billion just in what’s called quality bonus payments to Medicare Advantage plans, four times what it was a decade ago. And we’ve talked about it a lot on this program. Corporate executives, they cash these massive checks. They’re big, but patients are not helped. Patients continue to face endless delays and denials just like we talked about in the last segment with AI getting involved. But there’s something that’s happening. Citizens Council for Health Freedom, your organization recently submitted public comments supporting what you’re calling a proposed office of management and budget rule that would increase oversight on discretionary federal grants. And we’ll talk more about that. So let’s go right into it. Let’s look at the financial engine behind this because as I said, taxpayers are funding a staggering 13, almost 13 and a half billion dollars of quality bonus payments.

What in the world is that? To corporate Medicare Advantage plans, four times what it was a decade. How are these massive corporate payouts tied directly to the delays and care denials patients face on the ground?

Twila Brase:

Well, the fact of the matter is that Medicare Advantage plans are health plans that have the power to ration care. They were given that power by Congress and by state legislators. So in my opinion, this is how the policymakers have decided that they will be able to say, well, the health plans rationed your care. We didn’t. So it’s like a buffer to protect themselves from being charged with rationing your care by putting these entities in place. And now they’re just giving them lots and lots and lots of money in so – called bonus payments, which allows them to offer all these free benefits like free eye exam, free silver sneakers, gym memberships, all of this kind of stuff to entice Americans to come into the Medicare Advantage plans where when they get sick, their lives can be rationed away versus original Medicare, which costs a bit more, but when your life is at stake, you can get the care that you need.

It’s what I call the freedom version of Medicare versus the rationing version of Medicare.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. That’s important. We could go much further on that. Let’s go into it in this regard. You submitted these public comments supporting this rule for this oversight. These federal grants and all of that’s happening, connect the dots for our listeners in this regard. How have federal bureaucrats, these people that don’t have faces, but they have a lot of power that’s in the agencies, how have they been using our own tax dollars, for instance, to fund programs that actually violate and undercut our constitutional rights? And what are you saying we can do about it?

Twila Brase:

Well, what I would say is that people don’t understand this and for the most part, they are not thinking about it. But the fact of the matter is that Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare are all unconstitutional overreaches of the federal government. And when you turn 65, you are suddenly senior and suddenly you have no other option unless you happen to be still working. No other option except Medicare, which is going to be insolvent as of quarter two of 2023. And so the rationing

Sam Rohrer:

Is rationing. Wait a minute. 2023. We just passed that. What do you mean? When?

Twila Brase:

I’m sorry.

Sam Rohrer:

I’m so sorry.

Twila Brase:

2033.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay.

Twila Brase:

2033. And at that point, they will only be able to pay 89% of their bills. And in 2022, if they had been only able to pay 89% of their bills, that would have meant that $99.5 billion would not have been paid. So this is going to come out of the care of patients. It’s going to come out of the pay for doctors. It means that more doctors are having pay cuts. There’s actually been one that’s just been posited or proposed last week, another pay cut for doctors who don’t get under more government control. If they don’t get under more government control through a shared savings program, they will have a higher pay cut than those who agree to go under that government program.

Sam Rohrer:

See, that’s just totally coercive. And as we’ve said before, it’s not Medicare advantage, ladies and gentlemen. Think Medicare disadvantage. You’re not helped by it. All right. We don’t have much time, but a minute left here, Twila. How does this interface with what people can do relative to pursuing cash and these other options as a way of avoiding getting caught up in this net?

Twila Brase:

Well, for one thing for seniors, really, if you have the opportunity and you are still well moved from Medicare Advantage into original Medicare. Dr. Oz unfortunately is trying to clamp down on original Medicare, but if you have the opportunity, move now. And then find yourself a doctor who you can pay cash to that you can count on because you’ll want a doctor in your corner, particularly as more and more rationing is happening. Pay cash.

Sam Rohrer:

Pay cash, ladies and gentlemen. Then what takes us right up to the end. Again, health freedom is one of the first things to be attacked by government. What was Twila talking about? Whether we call it socialized medicine or whatever it is, it is not medicine that once made America great. It’s the exact opposite and it is not in the best interest of the payment what is being done. So you have to understand these things and be proactive on it. Twila Brace, thanks for being with me here today. Her website again, ladies and gentlemen, is cchfreedom.org. A lot of information you can find there. I encourage you to visit it. And again, thanks for being with us today. Been a pleasure to have you on board and take this information, go back and listen to it. Transcript you can find there on the website as well and use it and share it with a friend.