The US Goes to War

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: J.R. McGee

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 3/2/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Monday edition of Stand in the Gap today. And it’s also the first Monday of a new month. Here we are already beginning the month of March. And as I’ve said repeatedly on this program, if you listen often, you’ll note that I have said this because it’s just the way it works out. But I say as we approach the weekend, watch out for Friday nights and the weekend. Because oftentimes the most controversial political and impactful decisions affecting, I’m going to say, affecting the most people so often occur late Friday night into the weekend. It’s after people have gone home from their focus time during the week and they’re on their off the weekend, off work routine, and that’s just the way things fall into the news cycle. Well, this past Friday, as you know, and the entire weekend, there were no exception.

As the president’s long touted threat against Iran became a reality. Now, today, as we speak, the US and Israel are at war with Iran. Now, how broadly this war goes and how many potential nations become embroiled. Now that’s unknown. The number of people on all sides who will lose their lives and see their properties destroyed as a result, I’m going to say that’s also yet unknown. To what extent life here in America might be altered for a number of factors, but one could be to the arousal of sleeper cells on US soil is yet unknown. And that is something that has been officially floated. So point being today, returning guests to J.R. McGee, extreme leadership group, founder and CEO. And he’s been, as you know him, has been 35 years as strategic leadership and counter-terrorism specialist. He joins me again today as we attempt to share what is reliably known because there’s a lot of speculation out there and I’m going to say we are not wanting to speculate, but reliably known in the midst of heavy deception, propaganda on all sides, and bring a perspective which includes factors we believe must be considered though not yet in most media.

And then considerations of which we should be aware from a biblical prophetical perspective through which we can filter and should filter all we see and hear. Now, that being said, the title I’ve chosen to frame today’s conversation is simply this, the US goes to war. All right. JR, with that platform in place, welcome aboard and thanks for being back with me today. Things happen so quick. We’ve been saying that for months and months, but now things are really happening quickly, aren’t they?

J.R. McGee:

Well, Sam, it is a momentous time and I expect things to change even while you and I are on the air today. So we’ll be keeping the weather eye out for what’s happening.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And that’s good. And I’m glad you said that because ladies and gentlemen, things are happening quickly. So what we’re saying are things that we have seen and observed and noted as of this time, but it could change in the middle of the program. Now that being the case, JR, from your perspective, let’s start here. A current status update. And we’re going to talk about strategies that are being employed by the US and Israel and Iran. They’re all different. They’re not the same. Even Israel and US is not the same, close, but not the same. And we’ll go to that the next segment, but give a status update. What do we know at the moment about what has taken place? All right. And just when I want J.R. To answer, his line dropped and that happens sometimes on live radio. So Tim, as you try to get him back, I’ll go further on that.

And just say at this point, I’m not sure what JR is going to say, but I’ll say at this point is that we do know yes, that war is underway. That was declared Friday tonight. Okay, JR, you’re back. I was just getting going. What do we know about the war in which we are now talking and talk about?

J.R. McGee:

You know, what happened is we received legitimate intelligence that Iran was going to strike preemptively. They were going to start launching missiles at us. So we found out that there was going to be a meeting and there was incredibly accurate intel, both by the American CIA and Russian, I’m sorry, Israeli intelligence services that the key leadership for Iran was at a meeting for the last step before they launched their attack. And we accelerated our attack during the day. Now this had a couple of positive things. Number one, you don’t ever want to be predictable. We own the night and everybody knows that we own the night. So if you’re looking for the attacks at night every time, they begin to lose some of their effectiveness. So we attacked right around 10:30 in the morning, Iran time, and that caught them by surprise. It caught them in the meeting.

And we essentially took out 40 plus members of their key leadership in the opening stroke of the war. The second thing is we had an overwhelming response, much larger than we had in the operation from June of this past summer. What happened is the Israelis, the Americans, we attacked numerous targets, not just the nuclear facilities. We attacked their missile systems, their missile manufacturing systems, their storage facilities. We took out their Navy, we took out their command and control. This was an overwhelming attack that they did not anticipate, and it was extremely effective. We used most of the aircraft in our arsenal. The only aircraft we did not use that I’m aware of is the brand new F-15EX, which is the latest version of the F-15 Eagle. That one’s still not fully up to speed and combat operational. Everything else to include F-22s, B-1s, B-2s, B-52s, all of these aircraft were involved in this.

And we even took out not just their Navy. We’ve taken out a large portion of the Iranian Air Force as well, Sam. But we’ve used a lot of different ordinances. In fact, we used a couple of new weapons, even the Americans didn’t know we used. We’ve copied the Iranian Shahid drone systems in scale. We’ve launched a lot of the same drones the Iranians build. We’ve launched back at them and used those in these attacks. It was overwhelming. It was effective. It was incredibly well executed. And I give tremendous credit to the American forces that plan this and especially those that pulled it off.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. JR, don’t have much time to get into anything further. However, what I’m saying is that we’ll get into Israeli strategy in the next and US, you’ve already kind of laid out some of that. Just 30 seconds here. Iran’s response today, then we’ll go more into it later.

J.R. McGee:

Iran’s response has been very chaotic. They’ve launched missiles at everybody to include people that they thought were their friends believing that if they struck American bases and assets in their country, that that would bring them into their side. It’s done the opposite. One thing I would encourage our listeners to do is do not trust the vast majority of the news media. There is a tremendous amount of propaganda out there. There’s a lot of slant. There’s a lot of. There’s a lot of untruth going around left and right, Sam. So be very careful at what you listen to.

Sam Rohrer:

All right, ladies and gentlemen, I concur with that 100% and I’ll go further into that. When you come back, we’re going to talk about engagement strategies and implications. Israel, United States, Iran, because it goes far beyond potentially just the three of us. Well, the program title today, our focus is this, the US Goes to War. And of course, I am positive that everyone listening to me now are well aware of that. But all that is a part of it, and certainly where it goes is heavily shrouded in bits and pieces of information that people are getting. And my guest today is J.R. McGee, and he gave a little bit of a status update on actually what has happened so far, and concluded with just a commentary on that. We’re in days of deception. I want to follow up on that and just say, I’m going to go further and say, we must be careful in that what we … Well, there’s so much information that’s being put out, whether it’s information that’s coming from international sources, and there is, and I check sources around the world because different perspectives, what’s valuable.

But I’m also aware that the communication system of this world is the world’s system. The world’s system and the world is not given to truth. It’s given to manipulating whatever they perceive to be truth. So every once in a while, it may be right. Most of the time you cannot bank on it and it has to be taken into account. And we’ll talk a little bit more about that in the program, but that also means that just listening to what we hear on Fox News as an example or CBS News does not mean it’s true. They’re going to selectively do and say what needs to be done to further a narrative that is favorable to this. Same thing’s happening in Israel. The narrative in Israel is favorable to what’s happening in Israel. The narrative in Iran is favorable what’s happening in Iran and so forth.

So you have to be aware of that and we have to keep these things in mind because not to will set us up for deception. Now, that being the case, in times of war, we’re going to go talk about strategy right now. Strategies become very, very important. If you don’t have any strategy, you’re not going to win. Just like, well, stepping out on a basketball court, you got to have plans as a strategy. You’re not going to win in a situation just as common as that. But political campaigns have strategies. Businesses, when they launch new products, have to have strategies. Point being, plans and strategies are a part of life. There are successful plans and there are some that are not. Biblically, we’re reminded that though man plans, God will determine the outcome. And in the days in which we live, we know from what I just talked about, that the nations of the world are driven by one thing.

They’re driven by pride and arrogancy. They’re driven by lifting up their fist to the God of heaven and pride. That’s Psalm chapter two. That is what we see. We cannot separate and step away from that. And though they may have differ from goals, they share a common view. And that view is not pursuing and lifting up the God of heaven, but it’s lifting up the God of man, the God of government and pride. That is what the Bible says. So I’m going to state it and that’s why I stated it. So we have to keep that filter in mind. So with that established, let’s go further into this now. J.R. Let’s start again with what we know about the US and Israel strategy being pursued at the moment. As I said, there’s a lot of crossover, but they’re not necessarily the same either. So let’s talk about strategy, US, then Israel.

J.R. McGee:

The strategy for the United States, Sam, is multi-level. And the most pressing moment is to eliminate or minimize the nuclear threat from Iran. Secondary, we want to eliminate the ballistic missile defense threat. And don’t make any mistake. Iran has launched several satellites into orbit. If you can launch a satellite into orbit, you can hit any place on the face of the earth. I’ve seen a lot of news media say that Iran is limited to about 1800 miles. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Shehab three is capable of launching a warhead or a satellite in the orbit, which means they can put one into any place in the United States or any place into Europe. And that’s a great concern to a lot of different countries right now. Next, we want to eliminate their Navy because their Navy has already had an impact on shipping for oil, shipping for commerce.

We’ll talk about that when we talk about Iran, but we also want to eliminate the Air Force and we want to eliminate the government of Iran. We don’t necessarily want regime change for the sake of regime change. What we want to do is have a government in Iran that is not so hostile to everybody. Iran has been, for the last 47 years, the number one propagator of terrorism and bloodshed through not just the Middle East, but around the world. The United States strategy is to put an end to that. And Donald Trump, for better or for worse, is dedicated to trying to end that once and for all.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. And again, we’ll get further into it, I think, but even from that perspective, they have a worldview that is Islamic, but you have other countries in the Middle East that are Islamic, but they’re not as aggressive as is Iran. So anyways, we’ll just put that out there. It’s not like the rest of the countries in the Middle East don’t also believe certain things that are not contrary to God’s plan. It just so happens Iran is an aggressive one and so forth. So that being the case, let’s just stand there. Now, let’s go to Iranian strategy. You had said earlier that the intel had showed that they were going to do a preemptive attack, and so Israel, US went first. There’s a lot of information from the Middle East and other sources. I would say that, no, that’s not true. That may be, but it may not true.

They had decided not to because they did not want to be in a position where they were automatically under international law, the bad guys. They wanted to go first, which is why Khomeini actually was in his office in a public place right there. He didn’t even go and meet. He’s 86 years old. They said he was going to die anyways and he is. And so he said, “Hey, I want to die and I want to die of martyr.” All right, so there’s those kinds of things. Let’s go to Iran’s strategy.

J.R. McGee:

Iran has a strategy of trying to intimidate through perceived force. And number one on that list is their ICBMs. But number two is they’ve had some success with their naval strategy. They’ve integrated GPS jamming for navigation and the AIS jamming. And the AIS is the automated information system that commercial and military ships use to communicate with other ships and other control ports where they are, where they’re going, what they’re carrying, what their speed is and what their status is. And frankly, the Iranians have jammed the system and showed some of these cargo ships are in the middle of airports on land. They’ve completely jumbled that. That’s one of the reasons why a lot of countries have decided to avoid the Straits of Hermus even though the Iranian Navy is mostly underwater now, they still have the capability of jamming the signals and interfering with navigation.

Iran wanted to have a strategy that said that they could delay and defer and negotiate until they got the ability to do what it was that they wanted to do. And that was become the dominant power, not just in the Middle East, but religiously around the world. That was precisely what was driving them and that was what was behind all this. So Iran has got their own strategy, but that strategy essentially is in tatters at this moment, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Let’s go further on that Iranian strategy. And you referenced it earlier. They have attacked, and they said they would. If they were attacked, they would attack US assets all around the Middle East. Basically, they have done that, but they have also gone beyond, just this morning, whatever they attacked a refinery in Saudi Arabia. They have done so, they say, to prove a point to those countries that they need to come on board for their support in favor of the broader Islamic Arab coalition and kind of punishing these other people for allowing US bases in their countries. So, and I think you said that that’s really backfiring at this point. Some are saying, “Well, no, it may not necessarily be, but it is certainly one that is happening.” Further comment on that.

J.R. McGee:

Iran launched ICBMs at Saudi Arabia, at Jordan, at United Arab Emirates, they launched them at all the countries over there. And rather than coming in on the Iranian side, what they did is galvanized all these countries to join the United States and ironically to join Israel. Saudi Arabian and Jordan governments have said they’re actively going to work with Israel against this threat. So this has backfired spectacularly against the Iranians. It’s had the exact opposite effect of what the Iranians thought it would have, and it’s weakened them terribly. Now, something else, and I hope we get a chance to talk about this a little bit more, both Russia and China signed defense packs with Iran-

Sam Rohrer:

Yeah, hold that because we’re just out of time. We’re going to get into that in the next second, ladies and gentlemen. That is a big piece as we look at strategy of what’s taking place because on the ground, there’s a lot of reports in the Middle East that, for instance, the killing of Camini did not just decapitate Iran, but it actually turned him into a martyr. So there’s a lot of things going on in Iraq and Pakistan because it was perceived that the United States went after their guy. So all I’m saying that there’s a lot of considerations that are in the mix and the days ahead will tell us actually how they all come out, but that certainly involves these other nations that are in alliance with Iran. All right. As we return for our further discussion on what we know and can say about what’s taking place with the developing war in the Middle East, my guest again is J.R.

McGee today. And I want you all to know J.R. And I are personal friends on a deep level, respect each other highly. And when we communicate on the program and off the program, we are floating perceptions, events, things that are being reported, raising questions of things that are not being reported. I’m going to say in the context of the biblical command of iron sharpening iron or of the Bereans in the Bible sitting down after they’ve heard certain things and sitting down with each other and saying, “All right, a minute.” Now, this is what I heard somebody say today. Someone else says, “Well, I don’t think that’s right.” All right, well, let’s narrow this down. Let’s get down and figure it out. And that’s what the Bereans did. They met weekly to determine what things were true. And I just share that with you because you’ve heard me kind of bring some different perspectives, a perspective that’s mostly on the other part of the world as looking at what’s taking place because it’s out there.

So we try to help develop that kind of a thinking. At the end of the day, a biblical world view and a developed view from the pages of scripture will bring people to the same conclusion, but in the midst of deception, even those who say they know the Lord can be deceived. So that’s the whole point. So we have to be very careful. We’re in one of those focused times. And so I just put it out there. But in times of war, those who lead into war, they’ve justified them in various ways. When they do, they set their initial expectations of what they want to accomplish. In most cases, wars are managed. Countries have always had departments of propaganda. Departments of war, they’ve filtered. That’s the way it happened around the world in the history of time. Why? Because they’ve got to keep their people satisfied, happy, supportive of what’s taking place.

That’s just the way it is. In some cases, what they’re being told may be true. In some cases, it is not. And so that is why I share what I’m sharing. We need to just be very, very, very careful as we’re walking through that. So that’s what we’re trying to do. Now, J.R., In the Iranian war now underway, from what you’ve heard or stated or observed, what is the acceptable outcome for the United States? In other words, war has begun. You stated a few things up front of why was going to happen, but there is an outcome. What stands out to you right now as far as what’s been stated or you’ve observed or heard that are outcomes for which will determine perhaps how long the United States is involved in a war?

J.R. McGee:

In the first segment, I laid out pretty clearly what the strategic objectives were, but I’d like to lay out what I think the overall objectives are, Sam. And that is, we want to see an Iran that is more acceptable within the global world nation of communities. We want to end the threats. We want to end the constant violence. We want to end the threats both to Israel and to other countries from both a religious perspective and a political perspective. What we want to do is find a way to cease the Middle East from being the center of all the threats and the turmoil. Now you and I know biblically that’s not going to happen until the Lord returns, but man is constantly trying to control his or her environment. So the United States is working with Israel and with our other allies to try to mitigate this threat to the best degree possible, and they’re having some success.

I think that what’s going to happen now, Iran will not be the same threat going forward as they are now, but they will still be some form of a threat. The Bible tells us very clearly that they’re going to be a threat. The only question is, who’s going to be driving it now and what’s going to be the direction that they take once this is over?

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. That’s good. We could go so much further on that. I noted that the president this morning in a press conference made a statement that when I heard it from a political perspective, it made the actual expectations at the end quite wide open. There were nine expectations and then it was kind of like when they are fully met. Whenever I hear that in political speech, that means it may never be met. And that means it may be short, or it may mean it drags on for a long time because fully met is not defined. I’m a law guy. I don’t know what that means. So I just want to put that out there. There are objectives, but fully met, you can’t define it. From Israel’s perspective, what do you think their expectations are for how long this should go?

J.R. McGee:

Israel wants this to go as long as it takes to stop being threatened by outside forces. Israel wants to find a way to live in peace. They want to live with their neighbors. They want to have normal lives. They don’t want to live with the threat of having to run into bomb shelters every 15 minutes because somebody’s trying to kill them or kill their children. And I think that is a perfectly acceptable outcome. That’s a very reasonable expectation. And I just want to make a quick statement here. While we’ve been on the air just in the last two minutes, I just found out that the Hezbollah political chief, Muhammad Raid was just killed in a strike by the Israelis in Lebanon. That’s a major blow to Hezbollah who started launching rockets into Israel yesterday. So things are happening at the speed of stink here, Sam.

It’s changing

Sam Rohrer:

By the minute. Just exactly like we said when we began the program. And in regard to Israel, I agree with you 100%. I think Israel’s people have been very, very clear. They want to clean out all of the opposition. And going into this one, it’s different than the 12 day war. The United States was kind of there watching. They did their part and they stepped back. Israel did the heaven. This time, from everything I’ve saying, US and Israel were planning together. They have made clear they have US military on the ground observing in Israel. They have Israelis on the ground in the United States and on that merge. In other words, they worked together as an absolute team, much different. And I heard one of them yesterday said, look, we’re going to finish this job and not be satisfied until then. And one general from Israel said, “Once Iran is taken care of, then we’ll proceed to Yemen and the Houthis.” And underscoring what you’re saying.

So this is a big deal. Now let’s go here. We’ll go to the alliances of China and all that later. But Iran’s acceptable outcome because they had threatened to shut down the Straits of Ormus. Most of economic things out there right now, as I’m reading, I’m saying that basically it has been. The Houthis have become engaged. The Hezbollah has been engaged and from an Iranian perspective, shutting the Hormuz would create extraordinary economic impacts, negative impacts on the United States as well as the rest of the world. So let’s talk about Iran’s acceptable outcomes.

J.R. McGee:

Iran actually has three outcomes that they want. And the first and the foremost is the destruction of America, not Israel, America. America values freedom. And freedom is the absolute opposite of submission, which is what Islam’s all about. Iran views America as the preeminent threat to Islam in the entire world. Secondly, they do want to eliminate Israel. But thirdly, and this is the one almost no one talks about, Iran wants to become the preeminent Islamic country in the world overtaking Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the head of the Sunni-Islamic world. Iran’s the head of the Shia Islamic world. And Iran wants this war or one just like it to usher in the Maghi, who is their Messiah, which is exactly the same as our antichrist, but they want to have a war severe enough to usher in the Madi so that Iran becomes the dominant power religiously and economically, not just in the Middle East, but in the world, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

And that’s significant what you said there, J.R., Because over the weekend, red flags were raised at a couple of mosques in Iran. And when that is raised, it signals the theological underpinning, the Islamic purpose that this is now the final engagement. And they’ve said very, very clearly from a Shia perspective that when blood runs in the street in Israel is when their Messiah, our antichrist, would say, will come back. So they appear to be in that mode which says they’re not tinkering, they’re going to do whatever they need to do because for them, it’s a matter of not just good days for tomorrow, it is their Messiah coming back to help them.

J.R. McGee:

It’s not only that, but they raised that flag over the Jamkaran  mosque. That is highly significant, as you said, but it is also the signal for sleeper cells all over the United States and in the Middle East and in Europe to rise up and to start taking effect. We just saw one in Texas yesterday. We saw another one in Virginia. I think that’s the very beginnings, but this red flag over Jamkaran is a major signal to their sleeper cells. And we’ve got hundreds of sleeper agents from Iran in the United States. They are here and this signal is to activate them. We’re going to see major consequences out of this in the very near future, Sam, and we need to take it very seriously. We think this is all happening.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, JR, we’re out of time. Stay with us ladies and gentlemen. We’ll come back and we’ll talk about now what may lie ahead, what JR was just talking about, about alliances that Iran has with other countries like China, and then we’ll look at what the Bible says. All right. As we go into our final segment here, there’s a lot we have to cover yet, at least we want to try to cover. So Jared, let’s get right into this because we’re going to combine now a couple of things, but let’s pick up on what was said in the last segment, because we’re going to look here now about what we can say with some confidence. And then we’ll conclude with prophetical, which is complete confidence here when we finish. But that last part was that over the weekend, a red flag was raised over a particular mosque and it actually had been raised prior to that.

I think on Saturday was one. And then this other one came up kind of like a double thing, but there’s a message there that you’re talking about a communication to Islamic, terrorist, Iran, Shia terrorists, worldwide sleeper cells. Build that out just a little bit. And then we want to go to the countries that have arrangements and treaties with Iran.

J.R. McGee:

Iran has been very successful at putting people into other countries, especially the United States, through our open borders on the south and to a lesser degree through our open borders in the north through Canada. There are hundreds in the United States. We know they’re here. In fact, even the Secret Service issued another warning today about how significant this threat is. And this red flag over the Jamkaran mosque is a signal for them that it is time to activate. They are to start taking action. Yesterday we saw an individual wearing a property of Allah T-shirt with a T-shirt underneath that that was an Iranian flag shoot up a bar in Texas. We saw another attack in Virginia. They haven’t quite made the distinction yet that it’s terrorism, but in my mind, it is far more likely than not. This is the very beginning. We’re going to see these operations take place all over the United States.

And I strongly encourage our listening audience to pay attention. If you see something, say something. Be alert. Be aware. Pay attention when you’re out in public and when you’re in areas where there’s a lot of people. I think that because Iran cannot win militarily, they can only win through this terror network where they hit innocent people unawares that they’re going to take full advantage of that. And this is going to be their backup strategy for how they’re going to approach this and make the United States and Israel pay.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And I think that makes sense. We’ve talked about that in the past, but now the flag has been raised. It appears that the communication, the go ahead has been given. So therefore, okay, now that’s that part. But let’s go back to the military part as well because Russia, China, frankly, Pakistan, they all have different arrangements with Iran that actually … Well, if agreements mean anything, Russia and China and Iran and others are now … I mean, not Iran, but Pakistan are obligated to come to the military aid of Iran. Talk about that.

J.R. McGee:

That is true. In the last month, Russia and China have signed protection agreements with Iran. However, I think currently Russia in particular has no desire to get involved in this, especially with what they’ve got going on with Ukraine. They don’t have the strength. They don’t have the manpower. They don’t have the will to get involved in a head on head conflict with the United States in Iran currently. And then China also is watching very carefully what’s going on. In fact, I tell people they’re going to school on the United States. They’re learning our strategies. They’re learning our capabilities. They’re learning our equipment. They’re learning how we deploy our equipment. They’re learning every minute what our strengths are, what our weaknesses are, but they don’t want to engage in the United States as well because that could possibly trigger actions that would require them to take action toward Tawan early.

And they’re not ready to do that yet. So China doesn’t want to get involved head on head with the United States. So Iran has irritated their Gulf allies, Jordan and Kuwait and UAE. They’ve put their main allies, Russia and China into a box where they don’t want to get involved. They’re finding themselves alone and in desperate situations. But here’s something to think about. We thought, a lot of people thought that if you just removed the head of the government and some of the key leaders, everything else would fall. And that is very short term, very, very limited thinking. These people realize that if they give up, either the United States will kill them, Israel will kill them, or far more likely their own Iranian people will kill them because the Iranian people, 90% of the Iranian people hate them with a passion. Their only chance of survival is to fight for everything that they can for as long as they can.

They’re not going to quit. They will have to be eliminated. This is going to be a long-term struggle. This is not going to happen quickly. Now, here’s a problem. George H. W. Bush stopped too soon. George W. Bush stopped too soon. Barack Obama, stop too soon. Joe Biden never really got started.

The worst thing that could happen is if we get halfway in the middle of this and decide to stop too soon. If we stop too soon, what emerges will be worse than what we eliminated. There’s never been a war in history that has ended with a negotiated peace that has lasted. The only peace comes when one side wins and one side loses. Every time there’s been an attempt at a negotiated peace that’s ended in failure. You can look at recently, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Sam Rohrer:

I’m going to interrupt right now because what you’re saying is true, but we’re about out of time, but there’s a complicating factor. You’re totally correct. However, it has been announced upfront. We know we don’t have the military wherewithal to engage a long-term conflict. So there are factors coming into place here that are much different. So conclude here, what do we know prophetically?

J.R. McGee:

What we know prophetically is that the end result of this is going to be Iran is going to remain. And they’re going to be remaining in a way that they can form this alliance with Russia. Ezekiel talks about it in the Ezekiel’s war. It talks about it also in the Battle of Armageddon, which I believe are two separate wars, but Iran is a key player in both of those. So I don’t believe prophetically, biblically, this results in what we’re trying to achieve. I think somehow or the other, Iran survives all this. The current leadership, the current religious leadership survives somehow. At this point, I can’t tell you how that is because it doesn’t make sense to me. But biblically, I know for a fact, Iranian leadership survives this some way, somehow. And what comes out of this is going to be more virulent, more vicious, and they’re going to be the ones that form the ultimate alliance with Russia and the other countries that ultimately attack Israel and try to eliminate Israel once and for all.

It’s going to happen. Whether we can see how it happens or not is irrelevant. It’s going to happen because the Bible tells us it’s going to happen and everything the Bible has told us is going to happen up till now has been 100% accurate. So I have to believe what it says is going to come is going to be just as accurate, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

And JR, we’re at the end of the program and that is a great way to conclude it. Ladies and gentlemen, that’s the point. Leaders of countries can get up and say, “This is what’s going to happen, and we know it. ” Well, if what they say doesn’t comply with what God’s word says, not long ago, you remember a couple years ago, Joe Biden stepped up and said, “We’re going to sanction Russia and we’re going to bring them to their knees and are going to disappear.” And JR, you and I on this program said, “No. No, they’re not. ” Because why? Well, the Bible says they’re there and they’re a player with Iran. So how this works out, we don’t know, but we do know biblically it does. And these things that are unfolding, we’re right in the middle of the most unbelievable times in the history of the world where we’re able to watch literally the pages of scripture come forward.

We’re just watching a piece of it right now, but what God’s word says will happen. And for that, let’s keep our feet anchored.