Digitally Controlled Government Healthcare: The Pursuit Continues

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Twila Brase

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 3/25/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand in the Gap today. And it’s also our monthly focus on Health Freedom with returning guest Twila Brase. She is the president and she’s the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. And they have a website at cchreedom.org and I will give that again during the program. But while global attention, and I’m going to go here first and then we’ll get into the subject of the day, but global attention clearly is being drawn to the Middle East in the ever expanding US-Israel war against Iran. The decision by Donald Trump to not only send 5,000 Marines to the war, but yesterday calling up portions of the 82nd airborne paratroopers, the war still being termed a conflict or special operations by the White House is surely widening. And the impacts and the consequences of this war are deepening, not only politically and militarily, but economically.

And it’s driving up the rate of inflation. It’s already there. There’s a lot of impacts already from that, not just here, but around the world. Escalating energy costs are being evident. Fertilizer shortages which will impact food supplies are there in real. Energy rationing. It’s already taking place throughout the East and it’s coming to America. Plans are already being made and laid out. Tomorrow on this program, it’s my goal to try and address the financial and economic impacts of what I’m talking about now with this unfolding event with special guests, David McAlvany. He’s the CEO of the McAlvany Financial Group. And when I say to which I’m going to add now that in my opinion, besides the reality of fulfilling biblical prophecy, what we’re watching in the Middle East behind all of the stated reasons for the expanding war with Iran, there is a primary driving motivation for the United States, and that is dollar connected.

And it is driven with profound economic impacts that are unfolding. So we’ll deal with some of those tomorrow. Now that being the case, today, the focus is the state of health freedom in America. Policy and direction changes in health policies that impact America’s health freedom. So that being the case, I’ve selected a title day to try and frame our conversation. And it is this, digitally controlled government healthcare. The pursuit continues. So we’ll be wrapping up our commentary surrounding these things. But stay with us now as we begin today, Stand in the Gap program. With that, I welcome to the program now Twila Brase. Twila, thanks for being back with me.

Twila Brase:

Oh, it’s always good to be here. Thank you, Sam.

Sam Rohrer:

Twila, you are a busy one and there’s far too much based on the stuff that you are pursuing for us to cover today. So we’ve gotten about four different areas that we’re going to go after. But let’s start with this one. On past programs, we’ve talked about the issue of healthcare coverage. Who pays for it? Who should pay for it? Who determines how it is used or who should? And to what degree it strengthens health freedom as recognized through the doctor-patient relationship. Is that either the doctor-patient relationship that’s growing or the big government, big pharma, big third-party insurance conglomerate that’s growing. Now, just a few weeks ago, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services proposed a rule to expand access to catastrophic health insurance plans on the exchanges erected by the Obama Affordable Care Act. Now, that being the case, the Trump administration is praising it.

I believe most others have no idea of what these regulations are or will do. So here it is. Tell us about this proposal and is catastrophic health insurance coming back? What does this rule proposal mean and does it actually move us toward or away from health freedom?

Twila Brase:

Well, when I saw this proposal in there, it’s a Centers for Medicare, Medicaid Services proposed rule. And I was excited at the thought that this looked like something where people would have the ability to get a plan that didn’t have any network. So you could go anywhere and see anyone, but it did take a little more reading into it to see that there are some caveats which are unfortunate. So it does not mean that catastrophic coverage is coming back, but it does mean that there’s a recognition in the Trump administration that we should have coverage that does not capture us in a network and leaves us free to go to whomever we want. So essentially what this rule says is that non-networked plans will be deemed to be qualified health plans under Obamacare, which means that they’ll be available on the exchange, for instance. However, and as I said, you’ll be able to go to any doctor, any hospital that you want.

However, that won’t be available unless these non-network plans have enough doctors and hospitals and facilities agreeing to take whatever price that that non-network plan is going to pay. Now, initially, when I saw this, I thought that this was going to be direct payments to patients, so then patients could take their direct payments from this non-network plan and go to any doctor, any hospital, anywhere, and negotiate, and come with their money. But that’s not true. The non-network plan will keep the money, we’ll say, “This is how much we’re going to pay.” And if not enough doctors or hospitals say, “Okay, well, we accept that, ” then it won’t even be available. So it is the right thinking. It’s going in the right direction, but you really need to have the money going into the hands of the patient and then the patients get to go anywhere that they want.

So it’s like it’s starting down the road, but it’s still capturing us. It’s not really giving the kind of freedom that we need.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, it sounds to me in your description, Erin, as I’ve looked at some of it, that it really uses a word that freedom oriented, good medicine, good health, freedom as we understand it, they think this term catastrophic health insurance sounds good, but in fact, it’s not really catastrophic and it’s not really health insurance. It is you have a choice, but as long as you choose the ones that we approve, that doesn’t sound like it’s any real advancement at all to me, Twila.

Twila Brase:

But I don’t think that they chose the term catastrophic. I think that when we were talking about it, we thought that catastrophic coverage was coming back. And so you may have heard our organization mention it because that’s what it sounded like because you’re going to be able to go anywhere and sounded like, but it’s not actually. So they just talk about non-networked plans.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, that’s what I’m saying. So the right terms are being used so that people who want real freedom and return to health insurance and cash being the ultimately transactional type thing that we’ve talked about so much, it sounds good on its front, but that doesn’t actually move us in that direction. That’s what you’re saying. Yeah.

Twila Brase:

Yeah.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. Well, that takes us up to the end of this first segment. We could go much further on that. So ladies and gentlemen, as I’ve said for so many times that to me here again, it’s terms and it’s definitions. We always have to double check definitions. In this case, a change is being made, but not really going where would really make a big, big difference. So that’s going to stay there. The next segment, we’re going to talk about the move to digital control, the inclusion of AI and all digital record keeping, all of that kind of thing within healthcare. Good, bad, or indifferent, we’ll talk about where the difference is. Well, if you’re just joining us, welcome aboard today. This is our monthly focus today on health freedom. We try to do this once a month, and special guests always in this emphasis is Twila Brase.

She is the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. Their website is ccfreedom.org. And I would encourage you if you were interested and concerned about things relative to healthcare, healthcare policies, particularly how it would affect doctor-patient relationships and things that you would want to know about what you can or could not do, that kind of thing. You can find it on that website, and I would say it is the best place to go for that because it’s focused and Twila, I’ve known for a long time, she’s been very, very consistent in this area. Anyway, so I just put that little promo up front, but that’s cchfreedom.org. All right. Since President Trump’s meeting with the big tech digital billionaire drivers of AI, those are my words, putting it together because they were, but that was on January 22nd of last year, 2024. You may recognize that or remember about it.

There were three people involved, Larry Ellison of Oracle, Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI and Mayor Ashi is the CEO of SoftBank. Those three met together. The purpose was to urge, rush all things AI, surveillance, tracking, money, government control of the components of healthcare. All of those things were wrapped up. Not all said necessarily in that meeting, but connected to it, but it’s continued. That which was launched then has continued, I’m going to say, in warp speed fashion. Now, for those in government who support this expansion, the justification is efficiency, lower cost, and because of the nature of those involved, big business profit. Now, for those who desire patient control and autonomy and a strengthening of the doctor-patient relationship, this is Big Daddy government with AI and a developing faceless technocracy that tells both the patient, us, you and me, what we should expect to receive from healthcare providers and the doctor to tell them what they can or cannot do.

In other words, it’s not very free. Right? Now, on March 5th, Twila, there was a US Senate hearing on the matter of digitization and healthcare. What was the stated purpose of this hearing? Because I’m sure most people are not even all aware that it happened. What’s the purpose for the meeting? And in short, what was the bottom line takeaway from that hearing?

Twila Brase:

Well, I think the purpose is really to have the national coordinator of health information technology report to the committee on progress toward a nationwide digital health system and interoperability of that information. And now for your listeners who may not understand the term interoperability, it just really means to share data back and forth, to be able to … One system talks to another system, systems can look across and use data from a different system, a different part of the country, a different hospital system. It’s all can interconnected in some form or fashion. Whether it’s centralized or decentralized, but there’s a centralized software that allows everybody, wherever the records are, everybody can get the records. And that’s the kind of system that we have in the United States. And so what Dr. Thomas Keen, who is the national coordinator said was he really wanted … They’re working on real time data exchange between practitioners and hospitals and insurers.

They want a future where there is seamless data flow, and that’s the central priority. It’s not patient control, it’s not patient privacy, although they’ll talk a good talk about patient privacy, but they’re really all about sharing the data. So he said things like he wanted the medical records to follow the patient, and patients kind of might think that this is a great idea, but you have to really understand what this means. He said, “Hopefully we will get to the point,” or maybe it wasn’t him, it might have been a senator. Anyway, somebody said, “Hopefully we will get to the point where you can just press a button and the best alternative for the patient based on both efficiency and costs will be proffered.” So in other words, some computer system, some algorithm is going to decide what you can have based on somebody’s definition of efficiency and cost.

So he said an open interoperable health data ecosystem invites entrepreneurship, drives innovation and cements American leadership and competitiveness in the expanding digital health marketplace. So this whole thing is about all of your records in all of their hands, because just as a reminder for your audience, HIPAA took away all your control over your own data, unless there’s a stronger state law that gives you the right of consent over who has it, who gets it, who shares it, who uses it, who analyzes it, right? So HIPAA lets all of these outsiders do that. And now we have the head of Medicare just two days ago said that CMS, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services is working on killing the chart by having you use your phone, your face, and a QR code to connect to your entire digital medical record. And just think about that for two seconds, your entire digital medical record.

Where have you all been? Which doctors, which hospitals, which labs, which x-ray facilities, in what states? And so this is all your data available, not to just you, but because of HIPAA to the government, to industry, and then of course to hackers and foreign adversaries, because this is all available online through cyberspace. And so you get the convenience, but they get the control.

Sam Rohrer:

That’s a great way to say it. And ladies and gentlemen, I hope you’re hearing what is being said. And what I read at the beginning, what I said at the beginning about that, the big tech AI gathering at the White House just a couple days after the inauguration, it was put into effect a major initiative that includes these things. Now here’s just some information about it. I’ve done a lot of available research on this and it indicates that from the Trump billionaire meeting on January 24, and this is all data that you can find out there, the stated purpose was to advance what is being called the Stargate Project. You may have heard that, but Stargate, the Stargate Project. And what is that? It’s expansive AI driven data centers. And no matter where you probably are living, listening to this program, you likely have or heard of a data center being set up somewhere close to you.

There are about, at this juncture, about 3,500 as latest date that are under construction and it’s these things we’re talking about. Now, from my research, the march toward, while I’ll just summarize this for everybody, full digitization of our entire economy includes following four healthcare related objectives. Number one, medical imaging, AI, predictive analysis, third, national scale patient data system, what you’re describing, and then fourth, real time insurance scoring and fraud detection, they say, even though we know the only safe data is what is uncollected data. Now, all of these things require major data center capacity, centralized national federal AI policy, and to me, all of them scream bigger government, more control with a fatal attack on health freedom because it’s going in the exact opposite direction, more like an inescapable net rather than a bridge to freedom. What are your thoughts and comments about this race away from health freedom?

Twila Brase:

Well, when you think about healthcare, just remember COVID. So just remember what people were willing to do because they were scared into thinking that this was incurable everywhere, everybody had it, inescapable, right? And so they took away freedom and people were willing to give up their freedom. So when you think about how a country comes under tyranny or totalitarianism, healthcare is a very easy way to do it, but I don’t think that freedom is in their vocabulary, not when it comes to healthcare. If you look at HIPAA, that took away all your privacy rights, and then you look at the electronic health record mandate that put all that digital data into systems and the eHealth Exchange, which allows all of these systems to communicate together all around the country, perhaps even globally, not sure about that, but it would be possible. So they have everyone’s data, everything about the patient, every decision of the doctor.

So from our perspective, it’s all about money and control, consolidation of power, but it’s also about politics. How can they keep these programs that are dying like Medicare? How can they keep them in law, but yet so that they can get reelected. And so even though they’re dying, they want to keep them in the law. They’re ripping off the taxpayers, they’re rationing care, but how are they going to do that? Well, using data, using AI, using computer generated treatment protocols, using your profile against you because they have all this data about who you are, using the doctor’s treatment decisions against the doctor saying you won’t get paid if you keep not abiding by the protocols. And then of course, claims of efficiency and cost reduction to say what is really available to you, what we need to do for the country, to keep everything running.

And so we have to make cuts here and there and they’ll use the data and the data on all of us to do that.

Sam Rohrer:

Ladies and gentlemen, as I’ve said many times before, the only safe data is uncollected data. We’re at a point now where all data is being collected, all data is being centralized and it wasn’t under just the Biden administration or Barack Obama. It’s going full steam ahead right now. So bear all that in mind, that’s where we’re headed. When we come back, we’re going to move into some other recent findings on the COVID shot. Well, if you’re just tuning in, thanks for being with us. We’re right midpoint in the program right now. Again, our theme, if you didn’t catch it, this is our monthly focus on Health Freedom. My special guest today is Twila Brase. She’s the president and the co-founder of Citizens Council for Health Freedom. They have a website at cchfreedom.org. Last segment, we were talking about the … I’m going to use the word warp speed because that has been used.

That was used obviously if we recall in regard to the implementation of the COVID shots some years ago, right? We all remember that, do we not? But even that word has been used again, even in the implementation of the massive and fast move to data centers and AI infused within our total economy and everything from health to money to soon a new AI driven money system. That’s coming. It’s been talked about. It’s coming and probably sooner than we would think. But healthcare connected into that, cameras, surveillance, camera red lights, all of those kind of things, all of that’s all be connected. How do we know that? I’m not just speculating. That’s what those who are doing it have said, and it’s a White House initiative through the billionaires who are behind all of this and all stand to make a lot of money. And what they all have in common, frankly, is they love more money and they love control.

And when private entity … I’m saying when private business works hand in hand with government, the public private part, Twilight you just talked about, that is fascism by definition, it is dangerous, often put out there as a wonderful thing. No, it’s not. It really is not. Now that being a case, that’s not where we’re going, but it does tie into this aspect here of what we were talking about, and that’s the government control of digital everything with AI driven aspect behind it. Now, your emphasis is on health freedom. We’ve already been talking about that. Our listeners know that. It typically focuses on government policies and whether they strengthen the doctor-patient relationship and health decisions or harm them. That’s the basis of whether or not it’s freedom related or not, but it’s not possible to completely avoid tracking at least some of the actual physical health impacts that result from significant, particularly governmental policy decisions.

One of them, without a doubt, was the COVID assault on global health, and it was global health, not just here, but a recent report from the International Journal of Vaccine Theory Practice and Research brings to light certain major impacts that you have highlighted, and it’s on your website, but I want you to expand upon a little bit. Would you share the essence of these latest findings and why it’s so significant?

Twila Brase:

Well, it was interesting to have this come out because you remember, and your listeners probably remember when the COVID shot first began, women started reporting issues with their menstrual cycles. And it was a big, “Oh, you are all just making up things. You’re just thinking things are happening that aren’t happening.” Well, this study essentially makes the case that menstrual abnormalities are related to proximity to vaccinated individuals. Remember all the comments about shedding? Well, no, there’s no such thing as shedding, and people were like, “Well, why? Why am I getting this? And I haven’t gotten a shot. Why is this happening to me? ” Okay. So that’s what this study does is it says it comes up with case after case after case, it looks at a variety of other studies. And here’s what I remember when I saw that and it really made the case that the shedding happened and that’s what changed the cycles of women.

I remember reading the emergency use authorization under Pfizer. I remember what Pfizer’s reporting requirements were and they said things like pregnant women who got exposed to vaccinated participants that needed to be reported, or if there was inhalation or skin contact with somebody who was vaccinated and you were pregnant. So that’s something that Pfizer knew. They knew something they did not tell the public about, and nobody in the news media was looking as close as apparently some of us were as to what Pfizer was actually saying in their own documents.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. So the finding is there, it confirms what people were saying. Make the impact of that again, to connect that finding, that result with your mission of healthcare freedom. Make some application and connection to that.

Twila Brase:

Oh, sure. Now I just want you to know that those folks who did the study, they don’t say conclusively. They just said, “It’s really hard to think that this isn’t true.” And so they don’t actually make a conclusive statement, but they just lay out all of the evidence, which seems to show that it is most likely true because of all the things that happened. And then you look at Pfizer. But our organization as a freedom organization wants to make sure that everybody has the right to make decisions for themselves, to protect themselves the way they want to, to not have people forcing them to take injections or to take medications or other treatments that are against them, their choices and their best interests. And so when it comes to the COVID vaccine, although we hadn’t done a whole lot of work on vaccinations and there’s a lot of great vaccine choice groups out there, but during COVID it became essential for everybody to engage on this issue and try to get the truth out because lives were at stake.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And I’m going to add to that to underscore what you’re saying, that when governmental policy and governmental entities that are put in place for the purpose of protecting people, people’s health are overlooked, canceled because of a declaration of emergency as was done, suspended the emergency use authorization, which actually threw out the window, all of the precautions put in place has a most direct connection to one’s health freedom, particularly if it harms your health and causes that kind of thing. So I’m just going to make that connection that if policies do not contribute to health, then it’s absolutely against health freedom. Anyway, so I’m just going to put that in there. But I was thinking of this, Twila, I’m interested in what you’re going to say, but if you were to look back, because you’ve been in this space for a long time, if you were to look back over, I’m going to say the last five or 10 years, you want to go back further than that, I don’t care, but last five or 10 years, what other governmental policy change would you say have had the most harm or produced the most harm to health freedom?

And why would you say that?

Twila Brase:

Well, I’m just going to start by saying that all the policy harms that we experience are because of third party payments. If we didn’t have the governments doing Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, forcing employers to offer coverage, if we didn’t have all of this, we wouldn’t have all these harms because those who pay the bills make the rules and imagine if they did this with food, imagine if they limited your purchase options, penalized your grocer, scored your compliance with the food pyramid. Imagine that’s exactly what’s happening in healthcare because of third party payments. So in the last five, 10 years, I could mention just a few things. A lot of things your people are probably aren’t even aware of. The 21st Century Cures Act penalizes doctors, hospitals, and health plans for information sharing or information blocking, which doesn’t give you the right either to block your own information from all these other people who can have it under HIPAA.

Then there’s the Inflation Reduction Act, which took Medicare Part D and the donut hole of Medicare Part D closed that donut hole and forced $9.8 billion on taxpayers so that the people in Medicare Part D wouldn’t have to have such a huge hike in the prices, but nonetheless, they made it a huge increase on our Medicare costs. Now, I’ll bet nobody knows that Congress is increasingly expanding, increasing the amount of money that they give to health plans regularly, increasing it by millions and billions of dollars, and they’re decreasing the amount of money that they pay to doctors by like 2% or almost 2% every year or every other year, giving doctors less reason to stay and giving, really giving the health plans a really lucrative gig here by running the healthcare system for the government. And then the last thing I’ll say is there’s this whole push towards AI.

And one physician was talking about how because he’s been in practice for 40 years, he’s not as worried, but he’s worried about the younger doctors because he said, for him, using AI could cause him to be de- skilled. In other words, reduce his ability to have skill as a physician, but he’s very worried about the doctors who are never skilled. He called it the unskilling. If all they’re going to do is rely on AI and whatever AI tells them and whoever trains the AI to tell them what they’re going to be told, then we’re looking at switching medicine away from a mission and a skilled practice and expertise and experience into a computer generated algorithm that the unskilled will not even be able to tell when they’re being told to do bad medicine.

Sam Rohrer:

You know what? Boy, we could go much further on that trial. I think that applies to so many areas, but ladies and gentlemen, think about this as what we’re talking about. As AI comes forth, the doctor becomes a tool of AI, not AI a tool for the doctor. That’s what Toy was just talking about. Anyways, we can’t go any further They’re on that, but it’s quickly becoming the master of all things, AI, the master of all things. Not good at all. Anyways, we’re going to leave it there. When we come back, we’re going to conclude with some commentary about Real ID and the Federal Save Act. Well, as we go into our final segment, I hope that the program today has been helpful to you. Again, if you’ve not been listening a lot, I’m just going to give it to you again. We mention it regularly, but all of these programs, this one, our weekend program, Stand in the Gap Weekend.

It’s a different program. We generally take a selected program from the week. Things are changed around. It’s a different approach. It’s our weekend program. And then the minute program, which was within this, all of that can be found on our website at standinthegapradio.com, or you can access it very, very conveniently off of our Stand in the Gap app, which if you’ve not downloaded that, I would encourage you to do that because if you find a program that you find particularly interesting or helpful to you, you can logically assume that it will also be of value to your friends. And those are great opportunities, particularly if you have it on your app, you just bring up the program and then you can just send it right to their cell phone. And they can listen to it very easily off of their phone. And by so doing, you can promote the truth and you can help those you love by giving them information that they probably have not heard.

So I’ll just put that out there. And then of course, Twila’s website again is cchfreedom.org. Most of the things, if not all, we’ve talked about today, at least portions of what we’ve talked about today, you can find build out somewhat on her website and that kind of thing. So I want you to be aware of that. All right. Twila, as we go into the final segment, there’s one area that we’ve talked about routinely, and that is real ID. There’s a lot of emphasis out there. In your efforts at CCH Freedom, I noted that you highlighted some efforts in the state of Arizona, which are worth mentioning. And I just like to update on what they are doing.

Twila Brase:

Yeah. So Arizona has a bill that passed the House. It protects the right to choose a standard non-real ID license. And it would automatically end Arizona’s participation in real ID if the federal government expanded the requirements for its use beyond the original limits of federal buildings, nuclear facilities, and commercial flights. So if they decided to do it, you have to have it to get medical care. Then Arizona would be done with real ID. Now it is waiting in the Senate. We helped with this bill and we hope that the Senate will pass it. And I don’t know whether Arizona’s governor would sign it, but some of these things just take time. Oklahoma has sued over the data system that Real ID uses Tennessee. In Tennessee, there was a bill moving forward, but a Republican Senator scuttled it. So it’s a battle. It’s just a battle.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. It is. Anyways, let’s leave it there because there is a current issue. I want to move to something that a lot of listeners may have heard things about because it’s active in DC right now. And that is in regard to the SAVE Act. There’s a major push in Congress right now to pass what is referred to as the SAVE Act. It includes an effort. The primary purpose of it, theoretically, is to require proof of citizenship, some kind of a tangible proof before somebody can vote. Now, there are other things like happens, gets wrapped up in bills, just the way legislation is written. But that being the case, there’s something in there regarding real ID, or at least people have questions. So can you update our audience on this bill and references made within it to an ID, real ID or whatever?

Twila Brase:

Okay. So there’s important things here for people to understand that are not really in the news. And if you haven’t read the bill, you probably don’t know it. So one, it amends the National Voter Registration Act of 1993. So the federal government has already been involved in this and the constitution does give them some ability to be involved in elections, less a state would just decide, “You know what? We’re just not going to hold elections this year.” And apparently that’s why the founders did it. The bill is all about registration, not actually about voting, but about registration to vote. And it all pertains to federal elections. So if you’re having some limited school election or state election or whatever, it’s not about that. It’s about federal elections. And there are five different options for registering that they will let you use to identify that you are a citizen in the United States.

And people have this idea that real ID proves citizenship, but it does not. And as a matter of fact, Homeland Security has an entire list of different non-citizens who can get a temporary or a permanent, or in other words, for many years, real ID, but they are not citizens. They have never been citizens. And so, but there is a mention in the bill of real ID and it says that a form of identity … And this is what it says. “A form of identification issued consistent with the requirement of the Real ID Act of 2005.” This is the important words that indicates the applicant is a citizen of the United States. So there are only five versions of real ID that do that. And those come from the five states that are on the border that have an enhanced driver’s license. And the enhanced driver’s license actually says that they’re a citizen because it acts as a passport in order to go for people to go into Canada and back to America.

So that’s the only one that counts for registry. If you have any other kind of real ID or any other state ID, there’s an entire litany of things that you have to provide along with it that includes along with the real ID, if you want to register to vote as a citizen. So things like a birth certificate or a certificate of citizenship, I think there’s five different ones. So there are five IDs that work and they’re very clear in here, but the real ID is really only related to five states where you can just give the real ID and you don’t have to give any other documentation. But if you have a regular real ID or a regular driver’s license and it’s not an enhanced driver’s license, you’ll have to provide other documentation in order to register to vote. Now the one thing that we don’t, and again, this is all about registration, the one thing that we’re a little bit uncertain of is all the people that have already registered who may not be citizens.

And because once you have registered to vote, then all you have to do is show a photo ID and that could of course be any of these. So we’re not certain about that and there are 19 states that provide driver’s licenses to illegals. So I think it could be something we’re missing in the bill or there could be some … We’re just not certain about how that’s going to work.

Sam Rohrer:

There’s a lot of things that we’re not certain about, but Twila, thanks for being with me today. We’re at the end, but I think you and I, we’ve talked plenty and it’s clear as we look what’s happening, one thing that is clear, we’re moving towards a full digitized system that is attempting to connect all matters of healthcare and decision making, as well as tracking and surveillance, that’s the cameras, the stoplight, all of those kind of things, all linked and driven through that money system has already been talked about and all of that push to link everything about all that we do, whether it includes a real ID picture or some other biometric, it’s all going to be a part of it. Ladies and gentlemen, that’s the one thing we do know for sure. Government is never satisfied by collecting only a little bit. They won it all and that’s the nature of government that is not restrained well by the word of God, and that’s what we’re seeing.

So that being case Twila, thanks so much for being with me today. Always a pleasure and always great information. Ladies and gentlemen, again, her site, cchfreedom.org, and then ours. You can pick this up again. And again, a transcript is available if you want to take and read that along with the audio recording. You can find it all there at standardticappradio.com. See you back here tomorrow. The Lord willing.