The Emerging Global Order: Technocratic Governance & The Gaza Board of Peace

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Dr. James Spencer

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 5/27/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Stand in the Gap today. Since the day that God declared in Genesis 3:15, his plan of redemption following the entry of sin and its resultant curse on creation, mankind has rebelled against God’s order where he is the author of truth, he is the creator, he’s the king, he is the judge and he is the law giver. Then God later sent the flood and started over. We know that history, but the people even then continued to rebel against God’s authority and under the demonic leadership of Nimrod, the Tower of Babel came forward and mankind again collectively rebelled. God dispersed the people and he confused the languages. He later made clear in scripture we know that he would then raise up nations with defined borders and languages and earthly leaders and direct the hearts of kings according to his will.

Mankind continued though to rebel even killing the son of God, God in the flesh at his first coming 2000 years ago. Through all this time, earthly government led by people in rebellion to God have been under the sway of the evil on. The Bible affirms this very fact that the world and the world’s system of culture and government is under the dominance of the devil himself and will manifest itself in defiant form until the day the antichrist emerges and affirms a seven year peace treaty with Israel officially kicking off the seven year tribulation period. Now this is what the Bible says. This is not speculation. It’s the premise for today’s program also where according to the word of God, we are witnessing the change of civil governance to a global governance structure. The Bible says that this must come to pass and it’s why we as God’s people should carefully observe what is unfolding before our very eyes.

The title for our program today is this, The Emerging Global Order: Technocratic Governance and the Gaza Board of Peace. I’m glad to have back with me once again as my guest, Dr. James Spencer, president of the Useful to God Ministries and the president of the DL Moody Center. And with that, Dr. Spencer, thank you for being back with me today. Always a pleasure and an honor to have you on board.

James Spencer:

Yes, Sam. Great to be back. Thank you.

Sam Rohrer:

James, I’m going to have a little bit of a history here and then ask you some comment after it, but ladies and gentlemen, on the matter of governance, emerging governance, here’s a bit of background I think that’ll be helpful. Since the end of World War II, world leaders have pushed for a new government structure that would prevent war and ensure peace on earth. That’s what they say their goals are. From that came the United Nations officially on October 24th, 1945. 42 years later, a generation later on June 12th, 1987, President Ronald Reagan said, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” Things began to happen. 18 months later, speaking before the United Nations, Michel Goberchev on December seven, 1988 declared this. He said, “Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for a universal consensus in the movement towards a new world order.” Then on September 11, 1990, less than two years later, US President H.W. Bush before a joint session of Congress declared this, “A new world order can emerge, a new era freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice and more secure in the quest for peace, an era in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south can prosper and live in harmony.” To keep the ball rolling, Tony Blair in 1999 weighed in by stating at a conference on Kosovo in Chicago, “We are witnessing the beginnings of a new internationalism where our national interest is governed by international collaboration. We are all internationalists now whether we like it or not. ” Well, from the United Nations to Gorbachev, to Bush, to Blair, to Joe Biden in 1992, to Klaus Schwab in 2020 who said the same thing, Schwab did, but couched it as the coming great reset to Donald Trump’s historic Gaza board of peace, the move from constitutional constraints to charter privileges, from unelected power to appointed boardroom participants, the move toward a modern tower of Babel is the real issue to watch with all else being so much distraction.

Okay, those are my opening words here on this. A matter of a lot of research has been done on that. Everything I stated there is all history, it’s all fact. James, from a biblical and historical perspective, what is the driving issue behind the incessant move to centralized power minimal, if not totally eliminated, along with that accountability because they tend to go together

James Spencer:

Yeah, I’d sort of point back to Aristotle and his politics, the book he wrote and he talks about these different forms of government and he argues that there’s not really a one way sequence between any of these, that a government can actually shift from more of a hierarchy with a centralized power back to a democracy and sort of have a fluid move between all these different arenas. And so historically that’s what I see happening. We tend to get ourselves into situations where we’ve formed a democracy, that democracy starts to break down. It creates vulnerabilities and problems. Those problems then are identified and diagnosed as structural. Someone wants to fix something so they hop up on top. That’s sort of one iteration that we could posit for this. But I think at its root, Sam, everything is rooted in this idea that we are vulnerable and limited.

We’re trying to navigate a world that we don’t control and we’re trying to do that without being dependent on God. This is the real problem with the Tower of Babel narrative is that they’re able to accomplish things apart from God without God, not according to his will. And so that’s what most of the national problems I think that we see is really doing. It’s about self-governance, it’s about determining our own course, it’s about living life on our own terms. Sometimes that’s done in accordance with God’s moral order as we see it in creation and what we would call general relation and the theology biz, but the reality is that every nation is always going to miss the mark on order and that puts us on a trend line or a bend toward injustice. It puts us on a trendline toward idolatry. And so what we’re really seeing is a working out of a governmental system that should be sitting and actually does sit under the authority of God, but very seldom recognizes the authority of God.

And even if it recognizes some transcendental authority, like what some people might call God, but even they may not mean that as the triune God, they just might mean a transcendental being of some sort to whom they are accountable. A lot of that is going to have to be made up because as Paul talks to the Athenians, they have these monuments to the unknown God. Well, if you don’t know what your God wants, it’s pretty easy to figure out how to go about manipulating what that God might want.

And so I think part of this is just always rooted in our limitations, our vulnerabilities and the reality that without and apart from God, when we live independent of him, we’re always going to find these aberrations to be accountable only to ourselves and we’re going to root our authority.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. And with that, I’ve got to jump off. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us. Theme today is the emerging global orders. Stay with us. We’re going to go into further depth next segment. If you’re just tuning in, the theme for today’s program is this, the emerging global order, technocratic governance and the Gaza Board of Peace. Now, if you just tuned in, the first segment I gave a history really from the beginning of creation when God established things as their sin came into the world and then Tower of Babel came along and all of that and I kind of brought it up to date with for the last many, many, many years, those in positions of authority, not just in our country, but other place have done their part to advance what is global governance. Some call it the New World Order, World Economic Forum folks call it the Great Reset under different names, all the same thing.

And my special guest, Dr. James Spencer, who’s the president of the Useful to God ministry, they have a website usefultogod.com is with me. He’s also the president of DLMoodycenter, and that’s moodycenter.org, that website is with me and we’re commenting walking through this and Dr. Spencer in the last segment gave an historical aspect and a comment. So I’m not going to go back and review that, but go ahead and pick up this program again in an archive form and listen to it. You can get a transcript as well. But going into this further, global governance, we all tend to be consumed with what the politicians are saying and what Vladimir Putin says from Russia and President Z says from China and President Trump says from Washington all over, the world tends to be governed by the voices of those in civil authority. All right, but it didn’t start there.

And anyways, that being the case, take an analysis and a look at this today because biblically we know that governance will change. Ultimately, it’s going to reflect and end up in a global governance structure of some type and I think what we’re watching and unfold is right now. Now, when a person embraces a biblical worldview of life like we do on this program, it gives purpose, gives identity and it gives a means by which to view the entirety of life from God’s perspective, because only then does things make sense and whether it’s in regard to the individual or husband, wife, children and the family unit or civil authority in what we call government generally and when Christ came, he began the institution of the church and then therefore church governance or church authority. We find that all in Romans 13: one. We find that all authority is ranked in order by God and it’s all under God’s authority and therefore everything, everyone is accountable to him and every one of them have unique duties.

That’s what Romans 13: one talks about. Now the purpose for all authority under God is to reflect God’s nature of justice and mercy and God makes it clear what this is. Praise the good, praise those who do well according to God’s definition and punish or bring swift justice to the law breaker, those who are of the evil as defined by God. In addition, as defined by Romans 13: six, minister of God in that verse is the word like Turgos versus before it’s diakanos, meaning servant, but this one is leitergosh Roman 13: six and it gives us the idea that ultimately all ministers of God, all of us should be servants of God. Purpose is to lead people to the worship of God. Now that’s God’s plan and this pertains to all the individual parents, civil authority, those in the church, civil authority has the unique authority there in Romans 13, granted by God to use the sword of justice where needed in the form of capital punishment for those limited places where God commands that life be taken for life shedding of innocent blood.

Now doing this, doing God’s plan brings God’s blessings. Opposing God’s order brings judgment now and later. Now that’s a truth underlying God’s standard. James, I’d like for you to build out on this concept of God’s pattern for human civilization, particularly that of observing God’s pattern and purpose for authority and why when it is followed, it brings blessing and why when it is opposed, it brings judgment. But in Deuteronomy, God says, “Fear me and keep my commandments and I’m going to bless you. Don’t fear me, don’t keep my commandments and judgment’s going to come.” Why does that whole thing work that way?

James Spencer:

Yeah. So I mean, I think the easiest place to go for this is actually the creation narrative. And so when we see Adam and Eve are created, male and female are created in God’s image and given the blessing to go and multiply, fill the earth that’s to do it, exercise dominion, all of that is really underneath the authority of God. And in Genesis two, we see this really beautiful picture of humankind interacting with creation. There’s even a part where Adam is naming all the animals that God brings before him and he’s standing there naked in front of these animals and naming them. He is not vulnerable in his nudity because he is dependent on the Lord and all things are ordered and ordered rightly. And that’s what authority is supposed to look like authority, dominion, these words that we use that we often attach sort of an aggressiveness to or a sort of governance aspect to.

Really, when humankind is created, dominion means something more like refusing to be anything but loyal to God. And so this is what the original intent of all of that was. After Genesis three, you get into sin in the fall and now what we’re seeing is we’re falling people living in a world that we no longer control. It’s relationally broken. It no longer responds to us the way that it did before sin. And so as we get into those comments on Deuteronomy and why is it that when we obey God, we’re blessed and when we disobey God, we’re cursed. What we find is that we’re trying to get back to that creation pattern, that God’s order is what governs the universe and that as we obey God, what we’re really doing is demonstrating our loyalty to him, that we are saying that God is truly sovereign and that what he says is the wisest possible thing that could ever be said.

What he tells us to do is going to be the best possible option for us to live because we recognize that walking in God’s presence is the secret sauce we might say to being successful. And so when we sort of drop that down into human authority, we just have to recognize that authority in scripture is always delegated. It’s almost always distributed. So in other words, not everyone has all of the authority in any given context. Within a society, you have prophets, priests, kings that have these distinct offices and that exercise different aspects of authority. Authority in scripture is always accountable, whether it’s accountable to God primarily, but then also you have tears within society, just depending on how society is arranged. A prophet confronts a king, right? Kings obviously have certain accountability to the priest. Deuteronomy 17 talks about the king writing a copy of the scriptures and showing it to the priest to make sure it’s okay.

These are all these different layers within scripture that we can see that authority is not only delegated from God, it’s distributed across different offices, it’s now accountable, but then I would also say finally authority in scripture really has a purpose and that’s exercised by this proper office. You referenced some of this in Romans 13. In Romans 13, what we see, the civil government is supposed to be there for the good of the people. And so that is the purpose of that authority Outside the scope of that purpose, things get a little shady and a little foggy and that’s often what we see when governments go awry is that they’re moving beyond the scope of the authority that God has given them. So those four aspects, again, just delegated, distributed, accountable and with purpose I think are helpful framing for what we see in scripture.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. I think that’s excellent. James, let’s go further on that because the concept of accountability, our founders understood it because they recognized and they were very clear on the depravity of man, the sinful of man of man’s heart and left uncontrolled government authority, human authority would always move to the point of being centralized a totalitarian type of government. And so they took and they separated the powers of government, other things, but now we’re hearing those who are wanting to go back to centralized government are using the words of, well, efficiency rather than perhaps justice enacting justice as Romans 13. Talk a little bit about that because those two, they’re coming into conflict.

James Spencer:

Yeah, I think two things. Number one, I think when we look at the American system, it’s built in those checks and balances that really do try to constrain any one branch of government or any one individual purpose from garnering so much power that they can just sort of take over. And I think that that’s a good system. It speaks to the sort of accountability that the framers felt that they needed to build in, knowing that people were broken, that they were fallen, and that they tended toward depravity. And so from a systems perspective, it does make sense the way that the American system is set up and it provides a certain degree of accountability across. But I think what we’re also seeing is that this system isn’t perfect and because the system isn’t perfect because it does leave some people out in the cold because it does take a long time to change injustices.

This is part of why I think we’re seeing sort of a stronger man approach where we’re leaning more toward efficiency because for me personally, I think living in the United States has been great, but I haven’t exactly experienced a lot of oppression in my life. And I think that for people who really do experience the harder aspects of our society, they’re probably very willing to look for efficiency. They’re probably very willing to look for someone who’s just going to change the system and make their lives easier. And I think we can’t leave that aspect of this out. Yes, there are mustache twisting villains and big brothers out there who are trying to sort of take over and gain control, but I also think that there are really well-meaning people whose lives are really difficult and as they look out of the system, all they see is another decade or so of difficulty and they’re looking for their lives to be changed much sooner than they normally would be.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay, excellent. Dr. James Spencer. Ladies and gentlemen, stay with us because now in the next slide, we just gave God’s standard for governance. Everything’s about governance, authority. Understand how all it fits together. The next segment we’re going to take and lay out what’s actually happening where we now have an official template for a new governance style based off of the Gaza Board of Peace. That’s right. Well, if you’re just joining us today, we’re in the midst of laying out a consideration of the bigger picture of what I would consider what is happening in our world, nation certainly, but world. And that is an emerging change in governance structure. Now in the first segment I gave a history from World War II up through many presidents and other world leaders leading up to and talking about a new order needed a new global order, a new world order George Bush Sr. Talked about.

Klaus Schwab ended up talking about it a few years back as the great reset. It’s all the same thing. It’s a governance structure where a few elite thinking like I’m going to say a CEO, a CEO who controls a board, their approach to governance. And of course you have many of these people that talk about it regularly. They think it’s better than what we have. What do you mean what we have? Well, then our constitutional structure slow they say, not able to respond to the needs of the day. We need to speed it up. How do you speed it up? Well, you put one person in charge and that’s the whole point. From the very beginning of time a dictatorship is always the most efficient form of government. That’s not the best though, right? Unless that one person in charge is perfect in Jesus Christ and one day he will rule as a king from Jerusalem, the Bible tells us, and then we’re going to have for the first time perfect governance, perfect king because only he alone is able to fill the capacities of king and judge and law giver.

All right now, okay, that being the case we’re moving as we are seeing it in our days distracted by all kinds of things, but where is the big move? I am thinking as I look and observe, look at the change in governance. Now I’m going to give you some history here. Well, God’s model for authority, we’ve just talked about that as simple and clear. All are accountable to God individually since we will all one day give an account for what we have done with the truth regarding the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ and God’s word. Each person who sits in a position of authority, be that parents, political rulers, kings and prime ministers, congressmen or parliamentarians, employers and the titans of industry are the billionaires of our day. They all bear an additional level of responsibility in addition to the individual. And though the kings of the earth as prophesied in Psalm chapter two, referring very much to our day will lift their fists to the God of heaven and rebellion to God’s order, which Dr. James Spencer just talked and we’ve been talking, they will all, the Bible say, be brought into submission.

And on the end, God says that he will laugh at them. Go back and read Psalm chapter two. God says he’ll sit in the heavens and laugh and he will ultimately bring them to their knees before him referring to the last battle during the tribulation period, but with judgment coming fast and furious prior to that. No one defies God and gets away with it. That’s a bottom line principle. Okay. Now I want to give six points here, but this brings us here to the current manifestation of the march toward a tower of Babel type emerging global governance, that technocratic governance and the Gaza Board of Peace, which is the title of today’s program. Let me establish now, and you have to go back and get the template for this, but I want to give these six. It’s important to lay these down and you can research all of these on your own.

I encourage you to do that. Here’s six facts to lay down. Number one, each president in this and the last century in our country have had their fingerprints on furthering global governance and centralized power. Today in reality, the Constitution does not prevail except in word. I’m stating as a fact, the Constitution is given lip service only. Congress has seeded their authority to a powerful CEO in the form of a presidentially led nearly all powerful executive branch of government. Then it just happened by this Congress. It’s been happening over the last number of administrations. We now have a president who came to power with the promise to eliminate the administrative and bureaucratic process and to run government like a CEO and like a business, right? That’s a fact. On its face, that sounds attractive, but I’m going to say it is not. The problem is representative government is not a business.

It should be run efficiently, but it’s not a business. It cannot be led by a sovereign CEO mentality without moving to a monarchy or an oligarchical governance forum. Number two, the talk of past presidents and world leaders to bring about a new world order has been advanced incrementally, but now an actual and an official template exists in the form of the Jared Kushner designed Gaza Board of Peace. Number three, on November 17, 2025, by a vote of 13 to zero with China and Russia abstentions, Security Council endorsed the plan for governance of the Gaza territory and recognized the Gaza Board of Peace proposal in UN Resolution 2803. This vote granted the legal authorization for this technocratic governance model without demanding or obtaining any oversight. Now number four, then on January 22nd of this year, 2026, the Board of Peace was formally announced and established at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

This date and event has been recognized as the formal “inauguration or formal formation event” after the November 17, 2025, just a few months before in the UN authorization, clearly planned in advance and timed exactly to the same day on January 22nd of this year, the Trump administration issued Executive Order 14375 designating the Board of Peace as a public international organization. And by signing this executive order, the president granted to this body, this board of peace, that he now chairs for life, granted complete immunity by granting at the same status diplomats from other nations are granted. As a result, there is no constitutional oversight. It’s disconnected from our Congress, no congressional accountability, there’s nothing under a constitution, nothing in Congress, and grants full immunity from any judicial prosecution regardless of what is done. Number five, the Board of Peace is also granted its own ability to raise an army of defense to which Indonesia has already pledged up to 15,000 soldiers.

Members of the board are invited to be members by donating a billion dollars with other revenue being derived from certain sales of oil. And number six, the promises that this entity run by smart and elite people and augmented by AI driven algorithms can assure efficiency over bureaucracy, immediacy over political delay and in times of need respond quickly. Now, Dr. Spencer, what I’ve laid out right there are facts and interesting, the president and the board of peace is linked directly to Abrahamic Accords, which were put into place a couple years before. Interesting, the president just brought up two days ago that Arab nations in order to define what happened, what he decides to do with Iran, he’s telling them they need to join the Abraham Accords so that linkage to the board of peace is there, it’s happening. Many points worthy of comment, but in the last few minutes of this segment, what comments would you offer to what I’ve just shared?

James Spencer:

I’d say a couple of things. I think the lack of accountability is a real deep problem. I think the biblical pattern is that human governance of all sorts, no matter what sort of guardrails you put in place are going to tend toward injustice and idolatry and so having no guardrails is certainly problematic. I also think that a lot of this is emerging due to our increasing technological capacity and so a representative government that can move slow and have some bureaucracy to it and be deliberative and consider a number of different points is being well outpaced by the business realm and particularly the technological realm. And so I think there is a sense in which the government is largely losing control. The governments of the world are largely losing control over a lot of these things and they feel the need to be more efficient. So I think that what we’re looking at is a world where all of our bad tendencies are going to be amplified by technology and it’s no real surprise that the government is responding in this way because they do have to govern in some way, shape or form.

And I think they’re going to become increasingly ineffective in doing that if they don’t speed up some. Now I find that lamentable, but you can kind of see the trend lines throughout of what’s really happening and recognize that as we’ve democratized information, as we’ve democratized a lot of these different things through technology, we are Creating a heavier lift for any sort of government dictator or otherwise.

Sam Rohrer:

All right, that’s excellent. And that brings us pretty much up to the end of the segment. So ladies and gentlemen, see this is the thing. If you tell them, will you vote for a dictator? They will say, no I don’t want to do that. But if you promise them food, shelter, security, although it’s impossible to produce, people have a tendency to say yes. And in our age right now when technology is literally driving everything beyond anyone’s imagination, there is a push and an appeal by those in government, an appeal to poll. And as a result, deception is really taking place and this is on area that it’s going. And of course it’s leading into an area that avoids accountability and God’s order, but it moves this directly to the order that the Antichrist will oversee when he comes to power. All right. Before we go into our final segment and I ask James to give some final thoughts and me as well, we have a lot of information in this program.

It’s a good one to go back and look at it in the history, standonagapradio.com. You can find it there in the archive form or stand in the app because you can pick up the transcript and a lot of the information that I gave that I’m encouraging you to go do further research on. I know it was not possible to write that all down or remember it. So go pick up the transcript and go further on your own. But before we do that, I just want to say again that Dr. James Spencer is my guest today. He’s the president of the Useful to God Ministry. That website there is useful togod.com. A number of practical things that you would find interesting I think to find there. And then he’s also the president of the DL Moody Center and they have a website at that site at moodycenter.org.

All right. Now that being the case, James, today on the program we could go much further. This is very difficult to take the breadth of what we’ve just laid out and fully flesh it out. But we have the roadmap down here today and we’ve reviewed history. The focus has been governance, the emerging global order, technocratic governance in the Gaza Board of Peace. We’ve reviewed history of God’s plan for human authority. I went to Genesis. You went back to Genesis and you laid it out. After the flood, mankind still rebelling against him moved toward a centralized global governance structure and opposition to what God said, that was the tower of Babel. I’ve referred to that. And that as we approach the end days in which we live, the Bible says that will happen again. Where a global governance, a second tower of Babel, so to speak, will come about.

It will be commandeered by the man of sin. Bible calls the antichrist when he steps forward. Now, interestingly, we find ourselves right now in a world at war, significant economic deterioration that’s in the news every day. It’s a heavy focus on Israel. An historical governance structure centered right in the land of Israel in the form of the Gaza board of peace. We just talked about that. That entity being granted sanction by the United Nations. It’s a permanent entity, a direct connection to AI functioning. So it’s directly linked to technology and a function of that, that’s the technocratic state. It’s linked directly to the Abraham Accords, which is the foundation for the Gaza Board of Peace. So the Bible also speaks clearly that these days in which we live will be filled by deception in that which is not what it appears. Earlier programs, James, you and I have talked about the push for AI technology and the speed of its influence is remarkable.

So here’s my question. From your perspective, what do you see unfolding in the days ahead as we see, frankly, an unarguable convergence of many events, some which I just cited here about which the Bible speaks? What do you

James Spencer:

Say? Yeah. I mean, I think what I see unfolding is just a pattern that scripture has always described. I think that when we look at the Book of Revelation, I tend not to read it as a roadmap. I see it as the continual iteration of patterns that we’re going to see until God ends up coming again. I think we see the consolidation of power. I think we see an appetite for efficient authority. I think we see the displacement of deliberation by execution and the demand really for a more ultimate loyalty to a system that promises to keep us safe. All of those things are found in the Book of Revelation. These are trend lines that tend to pop up throughout history and we’re at a unique space where we have deep technological capacities that are really spanning the entire world. And so I think what we ought to focus on as Christians is not whether we’re finally entering the end times and Christ is going to come back, but I do think we need to look at is whether or not we’re prepared to be faithful in this time.

I don’t think Revelation gives us a timeline and I think every generation that has tried to read that timeline has been wrong in ways that really do hurt the church’s witness. And so I think the work in front of us is not to identify which iteration is going to be the last one. It is to be the kind of people who would refuse ultimate loyalty to any iteration, including the ones that look like they’re solving problems we want solved. I think that’s in some ways harder than a prediction and it’s what scripture actually asks of us.

I don’t think scripture is trying to give us … Yes, there are signs, there are prophecies, there are those kind of things, but I think that when we start to speculate on where we are in that timeline, we start to distract ourselves. And what I’d encourage Christians to do is, look, recognize that this world is going to oppose the kingdom of God and our job is to remain faithful to the kingdom of God regardless of how that opposition affects us. I think that’s the real clear focus that we have to look at. Now, do we act to try to fend some of these things off? Certainly we do. I think we need to act politically. I think more importantly, we need to act prophetically. We need to really deeply understand why these patterns are deformative for humankind and speak into these issues. What is this doing to human flourishing?

How is it leading people away from God? What is it that our nation is doing that is sort of pointing humans toward other humans for salvation as opposed to pointing them to the triune God? That is the message I think that the church needs to embody. It’s the message that the church needs to proclaim. And so my conviction is, yes, we’re going to go through some really difficult times. Yes, there are these really crazy things going on right now. And yes, I believe the world is going to get worse before it gets better, but at the same time, the church is called to endure that faithfully, not to fix the world that we’re in. And I think that’s something I constantly come back to is that our responsibility is not to fix the world. That isn’t an isolating sort of statement. I’m not saying that Christians should just pull away from the world completely, but what I am saying is that when fixing the world requires us to bend on our convictions, we have to stop short of it.

We’ve got to stay faithful to God. We have to be loyal because our dominion is exercised through obedience. We serve a savior that was crucified and so he suffered, he was crucified, he was resurrected and glorified. We followed the same pattern. We may have to live lives of obedience that bring about suffering and death, but ultimately we know that if we die in likeness with him, we will also be raised in likeness within.

Sam Rohrer:

All right James, and it’s a great summation and it brings us very much to the end here as well. So ladies and gentlemen, that is the reason why we say always here. Have our feet anchored in the word of God, the authority of God’s word. It speaks to all issues of life. It tells us all we need to know for all challenges that come up regardless of what time we have lived in these last 6,000 years of human civilization. God’s word has been sufficient. It is sufficient for the day. It is sufficient that for which will happen tomorrow and the battle of the devil opposing and rebelling against God, that’s at the heart of everything. That’s at the heart of God’s plan of redemption. And when we understand that, then we understand why Christ came. We understand the message of the gospel. We understand the commission of the church that Christ said that he would establish and that he would work out his plan and he then tells us what the next steps are and that’s all in the word of God.

So if we know that and we act upon it, then we will not be caught off guard. We will not be perplexed. We will not be anxious for anything and we will trust in what God has said. And with that, we live victoriously regardless of what takes place around us. With that, John James Spencer, thanks for being with me again today. Always a blessing to have you on. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you and Lord willing, I’ll see you back here tomorrow.