All Faith is Not Equal: Considering the Faith of Atheists & Evolutionists

All Faith is Not Equal: Considering the Faith of Atheists & Evolutionists

Host: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Guest: Bryan Osborne

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 6/25/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

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Sam Rohrer:

Hello and welcome to this Thursday edition of Stand in the Gap Today. And it’s also our monthly focus on creation apologetics and biblical worldview. And joining me again today is frequent guest Bryan Osborne. He’s an author, speaker, and an apologist with Answers in Genesis. Now today we are focusing on the true nature of faith, specifically looking at the faith of atheists and evolutionists. Let me give you some information here. It’s kind of interesting. Roughly 75% of Americans today claim a faith tradition. New 2026 research from Dr. George Barna in the American Worldview Inventory reveals a much deeper issue. According to them, 94% of Americans actually hold a contemporary worldview or a religion defined as syncretism. And here’s a brief definition of that. It’s a blending or merging of elements from different religions and cultures and worldviews or philosophies and combined into a new system shaped by one’s feelings.

That’s syncretism. 94% of Americans are in that category. Now in a biblical context, this condition is undeniably a counterfeit religion and a distortion of true biblical faith. It meets the criteria for false religion, counterfeit faith, and is by definition, idolatry. And because this false religion has saturated our culture, truly saturated and by 94% saturated even the church, it’s no surprise that so many have embraced the lie of evolution over the literal six-day creation recorded in Genesis. And when properly understood though, everyone is a person of faith, including the atheist and the evolutionist. The key lies in how we define it. And Bryan and I will unpack this parent contradiction because it’s really not a contradiction, but you’ll see what it is in today’s program where the theme is all faith is not equal considering the faith of atheists and evolutionists. And with that, Bryan, I welcome you back to the program.

It’s great to have you back. It’s always a pleasure to, no matter what theme we go through, it’s always something of practical interest. So anyway, it’s good to be back with you here today.

Bryan Osborne:

Sam, thanks for having me back. I always enjoy just hanging out, talking with you and being encouraged in faith and hopefully encouraging others in the process.

Sam Rohrer:

And I pray as we prayed before the program, Bryan, I know the Lord will do that because we can trust him to do that because we’re telling the truth. So on that, let’s get right into it. I gave just a few facts in the introduction there about general contemporary faith. And before I ask you to comment, I wanted to share what I’m going to say, a contemporary definition of faith. So here’s the definition contemporary wise, and I’m going to ask you to expand upon it. But this is what it says. “In a contemporary American usage, faith is often understood as “that which provides meaning, guidance, hope, or moral direction.” This could include faith in God or faith in a religious tradition or faith in spiritual realities or faith in moral truth or faith in a future outcome or even faith in institutions or people or principles.

Now, Bryan, to that, add your thoughts about the importance of defining terms. We’ve talked about that before, specifically faith when engaging in this area of apologetics, which I do on this program and you do regularly in your focus work at AIG.

Bryan Osborne:

Yeah, Sam, it really is crucial really on any topic that you’re engaging with someone in who has a non-biblical worldview to define your terms, whether you’re talking about justice with the idea of social justice, defining that term correctly, or really talking about the issue of life and sanctity of life and the euphemisms that are floated around in that whole conversation, that whole debate back and forth. The same is true when you talk about faith, when you talk about what it actually is. It’s interesting that first part of the definition that you read was more about something that gives you guidance and hope and moral direction. And faith of course can do those things, but I would say faith is more than that. They have more definitions to it, but faith is really what you’re putting your faith in, your confidence in, your trust in. It’s kind of funny, we’re talking about the faith of the atheist or the faith of the evolutionists really kind of focus on this topic and they will push back against that and say, “No, we don’t have faith.” They don’t like that idea that they have some sort of faith, but really replace or faith with confidence or trust or what you think is legitimate.

Then they start to realize, “You know what? I do have things that I’m putting my confidence in. I do have things I’m putting my trust in. If they’re being honest, I can at least admit that. ” And really those are just other words, those are just synonyms for the word faith. I think as we engage on this topic, what is so crucial for everyone to understand, believer and non-believer alike, everybody has faith. That really is foundational. The question merely is where do you put your faith? And we’ll kind of get into that as we break this down more.

Sam Rohrer:

All right. In the last couple of minutes here we have in this segment, setting this all up, go as far as you can go on it, but compare contrast. True biblical faith, which as believers, we understand there is a true faith and compare contrast that to the contemporary definition of faith that we’re just talking about right now.

Bryan Osborne:

Yeah. So biblical faith as we think about it is really rooted in the reality that God is the author of truth. He’s the author of reality and he is sovereign and he is king and he defines everything. And so biblical faith says, “I am submitting to the God of the universe who made me and made everything else, who is sovereign, who’s worthy of worship and all praise actually to him and I follow his creeds, what he commands and I live life according to his reality as best I can. ” And of course within Christian faith, we do it through his power by his grace as he indwells us. Once we put our faith in Christ and we’re drawn by the Holy Spirit. The biblical faith is rooted in God. Compared to the secular faith, the faith of the atheists, which is really rooted in ultimately self.

What it basically says is the secular faith says, “You know what? I can look at all of the world around me. I can look at all those truth claims around me from different religions, different philosophies, what I hear from different people. I can sift through all of those things. I can then determine which of those things is best to me and then I can determine truth for myself.” And Sam, as we said before in the past, when people do that, which we all do in our sin apart from God, when we do that, we have just bought the bait of Genesis three. When the devil said to Eve, did God really say, and he said to her, “You can be as God.” You don’t have to listen to God. You don’t have to trust him. He’s not the authority. No, you can be your own God.

You can be your own authority. And so when we reject God’s word, reject God as the supreme authority, what we do is we actually implant ourself on the throne. I will be my own authority. I will determine truth for myself. I will be as my own God. And Sam, that is a lie as all the Genesis chapter three that everyone is susceptible to because of our sin nature that we inherited from Adam. And so really again, it boils out to where do you put your faith? And there are two options foundationally speaking, either in God’s word or man’s ideas. And if man’s ideas, you’re actually putting your faith, in

Sam Rohrer:

Yourself. Bryan, excellent. Ladies and gentlemen, that’s why we on the program, when we talk about believing in the authority of scripture, why is that? Because that is written truth. Why do we believe that? Well, because God says so. And Jesus when he came, said, “I am the way the truth and life.” Now that leads to when we believe that saving faith and we’re going to be weaving these together, but ultimately, yeah, it is a matter of truth and to whom and where you place your faith. We’ll be back in just a moment. Well, if you’re just joining us, welcome aboard today. My special guest is Bryan Osborne. He’s an author, a conference speaker and Christian apologist with Answers in Genesis. They have a website at answersingenesis.org and our theme, we’re talking about faith. And this is the title I’ve chosen for today. All faith is not equal.

Considering the faith of atheists and evolutionists, and that may raise questions in your mind like, “What? Really?” Well, yes, really. So we’re walking through that. Stay with Sona because here in segment two, as we walk through, we’re going to continue this program and this focus because it is a part of our monthly focus. We do it and have done it for a long time. Once a month, at least we’ll do it on the matter of creation, apologetics and biblical worldview. And that’s why the focus of faith in its application here is connected to atheists and evolution. So you can see some of the reason. But in our first segment, we established, I would say a rather staggering reality. According to the latest 2026 data from Dr. George Barna, the vast majority of Americans, the vast majority, 94% are practicing syncretism. Now what is that? Well, it’s in simple terms, a compromised counterfeit faith.

We also challenged the cultural narrative by asserting and Bryan made very clear from his perspective as well that literally everyone including the secularist operates by faith. The question is, what faith and in, what’s the object of that faith? And so we’ve touched on that. We’re going to build that out further. Now we want to look closer at the mechanics of that claim. Secular culture goes to great length to paint atheism and evolution as purely objective, data driven, scientific. At the same time, labeling the biblical worldview, our biblical worldview that says God established and did creation as described in Genesis as blind, unscientific faith. We’ve all heard that claim, right? But when you strip away the academic jargon, you find that believing that the entire universe and all complex human life just accidentally exploded into existence from nothing, well, that requires an immense amount of faith, literally far more than believing in a creator.

So to understand this apparent contradiction, we have to look past the denials and establish clear definitions and an objective evaluation. Again, that’s the focus of our program today. All faith is not equal considering the faith of atheists and evolutionists. So Bryan, in this segment, I want to unpack now these worldviews, how they actually function. And when we look at the atheist who claims that there is no God or the evolutionist who rejects creation and certainly the literal six day creation of Genesis, how do we properly define and describe their faith, the faith that they are exercising, which you alluded to in the last segment, what are they actually putting their trust in? Build that out and then we want to walk through some specific areas that you’ve identified in previous conferences that you’ve presented.

Bryan Osborne:

Yeah. Let me word it this way. I was thinking about this earlier. I would say that everybody’s living in a faith house. We all live in houses and we all live in a house of faith. And here’s what I mean. When you have a house, when you build a house, what do you do? You start building the foundation first. So the foundation for your faith is your foundational authority. As I mentioned last segment, it’s either God’s word or man’s ideas and if you’re doing man’s ideas, that’s yourself, you’re your own authority. So we have a foundational authority that is the foundation of our house. Then from the foundation, we build up the walls and the interior and the bathroom and the fixtures and all this stuff. That would be the assumptions that you get from your foundational authority, your assumptions about the world you live in.

Those are things you soon to be true before even looking at the world around you. You start with the foundation, then build the walls, that’s the assumptions that flow from the foundational authority that you have. And then after you have the walls, then you build the roof by interpreting the world through the assumptions you have to reach conclusions about what you are looking at. So the roof are the conclusions you get based on the assumptions you have rooted in your foundational authority. Sam, here’s the key. If you have the wrong foundational authority, one that is faulty, you’ll get the wrong assumptions most likely about reality and then therefore interpret things wrongly. And so a sound faith, a cogent faith is consistent with reality and a right to good faith can actually self-consistently explain all of reality, which Sam only the biblical world you can do.

So the problem for the atheist is their faith is rooted in a faulty foundation, ultimately themselves and that’s why their assumptions and therefore their interpretations end up being so incorrect on so many issues.

Sam Rohrer:

All right, excellent. That sets it up for going in because you’ve identified quite a number. We’re not going to get through all of them, but we’ll walk through as many as we can where there are facts, there are observations, there are things that have to be addressed and answered by every person including, and we’re going to focus on the atheist and the evolutionist. But Bryan, I just wanted to say one thing before I ask you to begin to walk down through and one in particular that has to be addressed and that is that how can life come from non-life? And I want you to go there, but I also wanted to throw this in because this ties into George Barna’s survey work that he’s done and that is perhaps like the atheist or maybe the evolutionist who may say, “I don’t believe any of God’s word.

I don’t believe anything that it says.” That’s one thing. But the problem that George has found is that the 94% of Americans have developed a worldview where many of them actually say, “Oh, I do believe the Bible, but not all of it. ” And so they pick and choose. So ladies and gentlemen, I just want to say that is that truth, God’s word, all true will lead you one direction. Picking and choosing what you think is true will take you another direction and that’s another type of foundation. Bryan, you may want to comment on that and then walk into this first one that you’d identify that issue of explaining how life can come from non-life, which obviously the atheist and evolutionists have to come up with some kind of an answer.

Bryan Osborne:

Yeah. So going to what you just said a second ago, those who are practicing syncretism, adopting multiple ideas and maybe they believe in large parts of the Bible to some degree, but then they accept other parts of other ideas and philosophies into that and make their own kind of system. Sam, when people do that, honestly, what they’re practicing is the same faith of the atheist. The faith that says, “You know what? I’m putting my faith ultimately myself.” Even though they’re buying parts of the Bible, they are the same. Basically, I can determine which parts I take and which parts I reject. Therefore, they’re making themselves the authority over the Bible. They get to pick and choose. It’s their buffet. They can pick which elements they want. They want the apple pie, they want the meat, they don’t want the veggies. Now that’s badly to decide, but now they want all the other stuff, but when they do that, that makes themselves the authority, which is the same faith as the atheist who says they are their own authority.

So at a foundational level, their foundation is the same, whether they realize it or not. And so that’s why it’s so important that we are checking all of our thoughts and ideas and assumptions to God’s word and submitting rightly to it in every area. And then that speaks to origins as well. As you mentioned, the origin, the issue of getting life from non-life. And this is one of the miracles that evolutionists have to have that in their worldview somehow there must be some process that occurred in the past that brought life from non-living matter, because in their worldview, there is no God, there’s no one to create life, nothing beyond this world, nothing outside of this world, nothing more powerful than this world. And so somehow life came just from matter. Sam, there are laws in science, like the law of biogenesis, which tells us life only comes from life.

I tell people all the time, we’ve never seen a rock give birth to anything. And if you do run away, it’s not good. That’s how horror movies starts or monster movies. Rocks don’t give birth. And so scientifically, biologically, genetically, life only comes from life. Yet evolution says that somehow in the past, by some process we don’t fully understand, that we don’t even begin to understand somehow inanimate matter produced living things and that goes against known laws of science. Now Sam, here’s the point. The evolutionists can choose to believe that if they want to, right? But that is a faith-based assertion. It’s not confirmed by science. In fact, Sam, and for the audience, this is so important, what the evolutionist is doing, they’re holding to actually a blind faith. They’re believing in something that goes against known laws of science. So it’s not just faith that they have, it’s a blind faith, a faith that goes counter to reality, but they hold to it anyway.

Why? Because the only other real option is God and this is a Romans one issue at its core, a suppression of truth. We don’t want to be accountable to a holy God. Therefore, we find any excuse we can to suppress that truth.

Sam Rohrer:

Bryan, don’t have too much time left, but let’s follow up on that science part of it because the evolutionist or the atheist will cite science. But on the other hand, science is something that must be repeatable by definition and they can’t repeat. How do you connect that together and say, “Well, atheist, you’re telling me something that you can’t prove and you can’t show up from science.” How do you address that part when they say, “Oh no, no, no, it’s

Bryan Osborne:

Scientific.” Yeah. Sam, science is to be observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable to be scientific. And the past is none of those things. As you just said in another way, we cannot observe the first creation of life. That was a one time event in the past when biblically comes from God, the secular say from evolution, but still it’s not observable either way you look at it. Everything coming from nothing in the Big Bang model, essentially that was something happened in the unseen, unobserved past, so it’s not testable, repeatable, or falsifiable. And so these ideas, they’re believed by faith based on assumptions about the past. And Sam, just want to understand science doesn’t speak. Scientists speak as they interpret evidence. And again, they start with a foundational authority for once you build their assumptions and get their conclusion. So again, your foundation, if it’s wrong, the conclusions will be wrong.

Sam Rohrer:

Great point. Ladies and gentlemen, all faith is not equal considering the faith of atheists and evolutionists. That’s our theme today. Bryan Osborne and I will be back in just a moment to continue. All right, Bryan, let’s continue now on some of these things you’ve done, as I mentioned earlier in the last segment, you’ve done conferences. You’ve spoken on this matter, different settings trying to address this matter of the faith of the atheist and the faith of the evolutionist, which has kind of an intriguing thought because most people never thought about the fact that those who believe in no God and those who would say they have no faith, no trust at all in the word of God actually exhibit great faith, but it’s just not the faith of the scripture. And yet too many believers, Christians, may be taken back and put on their heels because when they say, “Oh, Christian, you believe in creation?” Oh, you got to take everything by faith, but not us.

In reality, they do. So you walk through and I think that’s important. So let’s go into this second area. Now the last one that we, let me see, looked at was this theme of life coming from non-life, because you got to explain it somehow. Another one that you identified was this that information coming from inanimate matter. Explain that a little bit and why that’s such a critical one to call out.

Bryan Osborne:

Yeah. So inside of living things, we have incredible amounts of information in the form of DNA and Sam, it’s more complex than anything we can come up with and we are just barely scratching the surface of trying to understand it. It is unbelievably complex. And so there are multiple laws in science that tell us information, it always comes from a mind. Now once you have the information, you can copy it. That’s true. But the point is the origin of the information always comes from a mind. And so living things have staggering a mouth. I mean, it’s unbelievable the mouth of complex, organized, specified information inside living things to make them function. And so scientifically, we know information always comes from a mind, yet if evolution were true, here’s what it requires. It requires not only life coming from non-life, which is anti-science and anti-logic and very much a blind faith, but then it requires that the information inside living themes came from non-living, non-thinking matter and that goes against so many laws and science and this is what the evolutionist or the atheist is left with.

Now, what they’ll appeal to is something happened in the past that we don’t fully understand in the present and one day we’ll figure it out. There’s some natural process that did it, but we don’t know it yet. And again, as I mentioned earlier, you can believe that by faith if you won’t, but that’s not science. That’s a faith-based assertion that goes against known laws of science. It’s not just faith, it’s a blind faith. And so not only do we both have faith, but as the title of this whole show goes into, not all faiths are equal. Let me back up just two more steps. I mentioned it very quickly, but just a bit more detail. The origin of the universe and the big bang model, secular thinking, basically nothing exploded or rapidly expanded and produced everything and that is counter to the first law of thermodynamics as fundamental law and science, which is you don’t ever see something come from nothing.

And so it violates that law. And it’s funny, they’ll say, “Well, yeah, but hey, there are quantum physics at play and there are these processes we don’t fully understand.” So maybe that can explain the origin of the universe in some way we don’t understand. Or maybe there are multiple universes and they pop into existence through various different means and they were just one of many and that’s why we’re here. Again, they can choose to believe that, but you can’t observe either one of those options. They’re both believed by faith and it doesn’t really answer the question because if it is quantum physics or something else, or if it is other universes, then where do the quantum physics come from? Whether it’s particles come from, quantum particles, where do the other universes come from? You still just push the question back one step further. So they’re avoiding the question and they’re actually trying to implement unknown laws of nature, really supernatural forces to explain their naturalistic theory.

So their worldview is inherently inconsistent, self-contradictory, and a blind faith. And so these faiths are definitely not equal.

Sam Rohrer:

Okay. Information, okay so things coming from nothing, number one, this other is that information that which inform the reason there’s a plan, there’s something all of those cannot come from inanimate matter. You talked about that. The next one that you identified really ties into it. It’s about design and complexity of which the human body is a premier example, but so is every animal. So is every plant. So is the earth itself all of that design, complexity and here’s the point you’ve identified, design and complexity coming from unintelligent random processes. That is a real leap that they have to go through. Explain what you’re talking about there.

Bryan Osborne:

Yeah. And this is a common argument. So none of these are unique to me or original with me, but they’re very common. They’re all very powerful. And this is very common sense. We understand that as we use things that are complex, they need someone to design them. Even something as simple as a mouse trap, it has to work in a particular way. Things have to function in particular order for the mousetrap to actually work. Something as simple as a pin that you write with has to be intelligently designed to function well and consistently. And then there’s this principle called irreducible complexity, which says basically within a complex system like an iPhone, for example, or computer or a car, all the pieces of the system must be in place at the same time for it to work. And if they’re not, the system doesn’t work. If you take one part out or two parts out, the whole thing collapses because they’re all interdependent on one another.

I was talking to you before the show just the other day I’m driving down the road in my Honda Odyssey 2016 and the alternator goes out. I didn’t know it was the alternator, but that’s what happened. So once the alternator went out in the car, we’re going to highway 75 miles an hour, what happens is my car goes into limp mode, starts to lose power and then I press the gas pedal and it just revs up the engine, but there’s no acceleration and everything starts to die progressively. Why? One piece of the engine went bad and whole thing shutting down. That’s irreducible complexity. And Sam, living things, human beings, the single cell organisms are just categorically more complex than our cars. I mean, it’s just by orders of magnitude and yet evolution suggests that those things came from inadequate matter that have no intelligence, no design, no purpose, and really no power outside of themselves.

It’s not logical, it’s not scientific. And so design complexity screens there must be a designer who has a supreme intelligence to make those things come about. Technical worldview can’t rightly account for those things.

Sam Rohrer:

Bryan, as you said, these that we’re walking down through, yeah, you did not come up with these. These have been matters of discussion and argumentation for a very long time, but what you have done, and the reason I cited this way is that you’ve kind of put these together and have presented them in an organized format. So just to clarify that, because obviously, I mean, you are a complex and bright individual, Bryan, as we all are created in God’s image, but these are observable. These things, these arguments we’re talking about here have been available for any thinking person from the beginning of time and yet the unbelieving world insists on believing the unbelievable these things we’re talking about here. Let’s go to another one. Immaterial laws of nature, logic, you refer to that logic and thinking logically and morality come from matter alone. That’s the bullet point there.

Explain that.

Bryan Osborne:

Yeah. I could spend all day on this one. It’s one of my favorites. So within the secular evolutionary atheistic worldview, they believe that matter is all that exists. That’s part of their foundational assumptions and their authority. But here’s the problem, Sam. If matter is all that exists, then how do you explain immaterial realities that affect our universe? Things like laws of nature or laws of logic. You see, we see a law of nature like the law of gravity. We see its effect, but you don’t see the law itself. You cannot stump your toe on the law of non-contradiction and laws of logic, but it’s a real law. It makes thinking possible. It makes processing information possible and it doesn’t randomly change. It stays consistent. But this law, the law itself, laws of logic, laws of nature are immaterial. We see their effect, but not the law itself.

And so here’s the problem for the materialists, the atheist. It matters all that exists. How do you explain these immaterial laws that do not change and stay consistent? Well, they have no good explanation for them and they should not exist in their worldview. And when they employ those things as they must, they must use laws of logic to think and process information to do science. They must make use of laws of nature to do experiments. They’re actually borrowing some from the biblical worldview to try to make sense of the world around them. And so they’re stealing from the Christian faith to try to support their own faith, which shows the inconsistency and just the lack of power of their own faith and the ideology. And so it’s a great way to point out to them that your own ideology is self-refuting and only biblical worldview can account for the things you really love, like laws of logic, laws of nature.

And then laws of morality, I mean, cultures can vary to certain degrees, but there are core laws that humans have agreed with since the beginning of time, like murdering someone wrongly, that is wrong. Taking what is not yours, taking credit for what is not yours, being cowardly, these moral attributes that we all hold to be true, but where do these moral laws come from and why are they consistent throughout generations over generations of mankind? Well, because all this is true because there’s a God, Sam. There’s a God who made us in his image. There’s a God who made a universe. He’s immaterial. Therefore, he makes immaterial laws like laws of nature and laws of logic. He imprints on us a morality and consciousness that holds us accountable to who he is. Therefore, we have these laws of morality. And the biblical worldview can self-consistently explain all these immaterial realities.

It can explain The world around us consistently. The atheistic worldview, the atheistic faith cannot and they’re borrowing from the biblical worldview to try to do so. So these faiths are not equal. They are categorically different. And again, I will say this out of love, but with all sincerity, the atheistic faith, the secular faith, which is rooted in oneself, is a blind idolatrous faith that really requires us to repent to put our faith in God to find true faith in Christ.

Sam Rohrer:

And ladies and gentlemen, if you’re listening, you probably are a believer, but you may not be. But for those of us who have trusted in the Lord, what do we know? Well, what do we know is that the word of God tells us all we need to know, that puts together all of the pieces, that answers the questions that all people are born with and puts it all together so that it makes sense. That doesn’t happen outside the word of God and that’s just one of those things. Now we come back, we’re going to end up giving a little bit of counsel. Well, welcome back now to our final segment here of Stand in the Gap Today. As we conclude, this is a monthly focus on creation, apologetics, and biblical worldview. My guest today is Bryan Osborne. He’s from answers in Genesis and we’ve considered the cultural landscape of faith in America.

The title is this, has been, all faith is not equal considering the faith of atheists and evolutionists. And there’s so much more that we could say, but I hope that what we’ve chosen for selection in this focus today will help in a number of ways. But up to this point, just a bit of summary, we’ve considered the cultural landscape of faith in America. Very, very broad, very shallow. The data overwhelmingly confirms that we’re living in an era infused by syncretism. We’ve defined that a sophisticated modern idolatry that has managed to slip a counterfeit faith even into the pews of our churches. We’ve defined how the atheist and the evolutionists specifically don’t actually lack faith. Rather, they place an immense unscientific, un-demonstratable faith in the random mechanics as they create in their own minds an impossible godless universe. We’ve talked about that. So where does that leave the true disciple of Jesus Christ?

Those of us who may be listening to the program now, who believes in the authority of scripture and the God of creation. Well, for us, we know that Christ does not promise a path of ease. In fact, just the opposite, just like he did when Christ came nearly 2000 years ago as the son of God, the creator in the flesh, only to see the humanity he created, reject, persecute, and ultimately murder the Messiah. Okay. So this is what’s been happening through time, denial of the very truth. Thus, Christ warned that in the last days, the days in which we are now living, that deception would grow and grow so rampantly that it would actually threaten to lead astray even the very elect if the scripture says if that were possible. The Apostle Paul then told Timothy that perilous times would come these days where men would hold to a form of godliness but deny its power, its authority.

That authority, Jesus, who is the truth, God who is the creator, Jesus, God won. We know the sameness there, all part of creation. And we are certainly in these days when counterfeit faith, false religion, and people who, well, like in Romans one, if we go there, see the very creation around us, see the handy work of the creator as described in Genesis, but they exchange the truth for a lie and end up worshiping the creation rather than the creator. Now that’s been the history of mankind since the garden and as true believers were called to be the remnant, the faithful, who do not bow the need to cultural compromise, who stand firmly on the literal truth of Genesis and whose lives are anchored in the unshakeable word of God because we know that it is authoritative in every word and that makes a difference. So Bryan, as we wrap up today’s here, this conversation, all faith is not equal.

Let’s go to some council from your perspective because you’re often in settings where there are people who may want to come and they hear the argumentation that you may put forth. And today we have people listening and I think in most cases people say, “All right, I kind of know what to do with this. ” But what’s your counsel to those who want to live obedient with biblical faith, your counsel them to live faithful to biblical faith in these days that are so challenging to biblical faith.

Bryan Osborne:

Yeah, that’s a great question. I think there are numerous things I would encourage people with. Number one, to be encouraged for the believer to be encouraged, your faith is a sound faith. It makes sense of all of reality. It makes sense of the past. It makes sense of science. It makes sense of morality. It makes sense of the future. Our faith rooted in God’s word is a sure faith. So be encouraged. There’s no need to cower and fear of intellectuals who reject the Bible. Those who do so, they’re not being smart. The Bible calls them fools because it’s ultimately a hard issue of rejecting truth and rejecting God. It’s foolish to do so. So be encouraged in the sound faith that we have. The only good sound faith, which is sounding God in his words. Be encouraged. And then I’d also say be challenged. Be challenged as you were kind of reading through those sets earlier, Sam, about …

Sam Rohrer:

All right, Bryan, are you there? All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately, Bryan left us. I don’t know if you’d be back with a few minutes left, but I think you can see the direction that Bryan was going. Same direction that we go here to be confident in the truth, the truth of God’s word. But we have to know the truth. How do we know the truth? Well, we have to believe that God is God. We have to agree with God about what the word says, that there is sin, that God is just and that God has presented a plan of redemption, which he telegraphed and forecast in Genesis 3:15 right after the fall and said that there would one day come a means by which people’s relationship with God the Father God could be achieved, restored. Ultimately, we know that that is Jesus Christ, the very son of God who was telegraphed and prophesied through the Old Testament would come, which he did rejected of his own, which happened.

And then Jesus told his disciples, “All right, I’m going to go to heaven. I’m going to ascend. I’m going to come back for you. Occupy till I come. Be salt, be light. The beatitudes.” Matthew chapter five, six and seven. Okay. And Bryan, we’re only a couple minutes left. I’m filling in a few things, but complete what you were saying before you were cut off.

Bryan Osborne:

I’ll be very brief then. Sorry about the cutoff. I don’t know what happened there. But number one, be encouraged. Christians, our faith is sound. It makes sense of all reality. I’d also say be challenged that you’re taking every thought captive and making every thought obedient to Christ, that we’re not synchronizing our faith with the world, which makes ourselves the authority. No, we submit to God. And part of the challenge is getting equipped to defend the faith where it’s being attacked and equipping your kids and those under your care to defend the faith where it’s being attacked today. So we got to be encouraged, be challenged, be faithful. Hold fast to God’s word. Be faithful to live according to God’s principles. And then when we do mess up, as we all do, we repent and just seek God again and seek the strife after his ways once again and put us in our care to do so.

And so part of the council is all this. Be encouraged. Your faith is down. Be challenged that you’re being rooted in God’s word and equipping those under your care. Be faithful to live it out. And then the last thing I would say is with all this being understood, be hopeful, dear Christian. Our faith not only explains the past, not only explains the present, but our faith tells us about the future as well. Our faith lets us know that there is a real God and that Jesus is coming and he’s coming back soon. He’s coming back to redeem this broken creation, to call those who are his to himself to execute perfect justice forever. Our king is coming. When he comes, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and God wins. Christ wins and we win in Christ. And so our faith, our faith is robust.

Our faith is all encompassing. Our faith is sound. It explains literally everything. And that makes sense then because our faith comes from God who knows everything, who’s infinite in power, who’s perfect in knowledge. And so our faith is above any other faith because it’s rooted in truth and rooted in one, true and living God. Be encouraged, be challenged, be faithful. And dear friends, be hopeful.

Sam Rohrer:

And Bryan Osborne from Answers in Genesis, thank you so very, very much. Excellent. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope that this was edifying and encouraging to you. Answersingenesis.org is where you can find more information about Bryan and other things, even this topic about which we’re talking about some different aspects of it. And ladies and gentlemen, I hope that you have that confidence in God’s word. It starts with a relationship with Jesus Christ. If that is not in place, start there and then all these others things fall into place.