Ask Sam – Diagnosis 250: Testing the Nation’s Vitals – Episode 82

Ask Sam – Diagnosis 250: Testing the Nation’s Vitals – Episode 82

Host: Dr. Isaac Crockett

Guest: Hon. Sam Rohrer

Note: This transcript is taken from a Stand in the Gap Today program aired on 7/10/26. To listen to the podcast, click HERE.

Disclaimer: While reasonable efforts have been made to provide an accurate transcription, the following is a representation of a mechanical transcription and as such, may not be a word for word transcript. Please listen to the audio version for any questions concerning the following dialogue.

Isaac Crockett:

Well, welcome to this Friday program. It’s hard to believe that it’s already been almost a week since our 250th anniversary celebration in our nation. My ears are still ringing a little bit, maybe with freedom, but with some of the loud fireworks that went off a little bit maybe too close to my ears. And there’s been so much happening, all these tourists that have come in for the World Cup, seeing our 250th anniversary and seeing America up close. But today we want to look at America from kind of a bigger viewpoint. We’re looking all year, really looking at the 250 year anniversary and kind of having a diagnosis, testing the nation’s vital signs, if you would. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and joining us as, I don’t know if we call him the doctor or the person performing the autopsy, but the honorable Sam Rohr is going to be with us today as we kind of look at our nation.

And Sam, we’ve had this amazing celebration, 250th. You were alive for the 200th anniversary. I wasn’t. And very likely, even if the Lord carries another 50 years for the 300th anniversary, I would say it’s very likely that neither of us will be celebrating the 300th here on earth. So Sam, I want to just kind of go to you and get some of your reflections on what we have seen and what we are seeing throughout this year. And also you’re thinking from a historic point of view with all of the American history you know of how our forefathers maybe would have imagined what we would be like 250 years after the Declaration of Independence. So go ahead, Sam, and give us your thoughts.

Sam Rohrer:

Well, Isaac, great to be with you again. And yeah, I think the 250th, it’s appropriate as we did looked ahead when we were anticipating approaching that date of July 4th and when we were on that date and now as we look back because I think as you mentioned there, I think this entire year is a year worth reliving, revisiting, reconsidering, and I’ll use the word recalibrating perhaps as citizens of this nation. And so it’s appropriate to do this. And I think far too often we arrive at a moment in time and if we’re not careful, we just jump over it or don’t get from it what really we ought. And so I appreciate your approach to kind of putting into perspective of a diagnosis, a physician more or less taking a look at it. Let me just answer this quickly. I would say from your first question about some of my reflections on the nation.

When I was anticipating even at the beginning of the year, months ago, looking towards and then now we’re looking back, I asked the Lord, how should I look at this? Because one thing is for sure, no one listening to this program nor you and I, Isaac, chose the time in which we would be born. We didn’t choose our families into which we were born. We didn’t choose the fact that we were born as citizens of this nation. These are things that I think the scripture would refer to as kind of like the unchangeables strictly of God. So for that, that’s where I wanted to start. So here are the thoughts that I had overall. My overarching thoughts was leading up to this was one of gratitude to God for being born in this nation and that the freedom that we have so enjoyed because everyone here has.

Not everybody thinks about gratitude, but as believers we do. So that was one. Lord, I said, help me to approach everything in the sense of gratitude to you for being here at this time, to being able to consider these things at a time. The second thought I had was to, from God’s perspective, say, Lord, give me the ability to look through your eyes, through the lens of scripture, through the pages of scripture and ask the question, how would you look at America 250 today? How would you look at my life today as a citizen? Not of my choosing, but blessing born in this country. And how would you consider the national health and the key indicators that you’ve established in your word? And we can build that out, but that was the second thing I though. Then the third guiding thought to me was to say, Lord, give me the wisdom to be discerning and evaluating the various expressions of others.

So we approach this date. And when we reached that date, July 4th now passed, what people would say leading up to it and what they may or may not say on this side looking back, starting with government officials, religious leaders and citizens alike. And so I was, I was listening very carefully to what they said with their mouth, what they did in their actions, the speeches that they made with particularly this part in mind. Once they were done, where was the attention of those who were watching directed?

Isaac Crockett:

Was

Sam Rohrer:

It directed to God? Was it directed to whoever? Or was it directed to themself? Those were things that I pray because I find all of those principles very clearly called out in God’s word.

Isaac Crockett:

That is so exciting and see the liberty that we have. One of the things I’ve tried to point out to our church as well as I was speaking at another church in South Carolina. I did two Liberty Sundays, one at my home church and then another one in South Carolina. So the Sunday before the fourth and the Sunday after the fourth. And reminding them in our pledge of allegiance, we are one nation under God. And in Acts 17, and this is something that Sam, you’ve helped me really see this. Paul points it out that all nations are nations under God, whether they recognize it or not, but they have been drawn their boundary lines, their beginning and their end. Every part of that has been determined by God and not by us. We’re about to go into our break, but Sam, any thoughts on that as our forefathers saw that we are really a nation under God, whether we admit it or not?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, I do because that’s a part of, I think, of how we analyze things here because as I did one on our previous program, looked back and said, all right, if we just look at the words and the principles and the worldview involved in that birth document that makes us our 250th, the Declaration of Independence. And we just looked at what those founders said and what they incorporated as a matter of truth into that declaration and just even used that to compare against where we are. And I did that on a program with a guest, David New, where we tried to do that and say, all right, now based on the core tenets of the declaration and compared it to today, what would our founders say? And that of course takes us back to the word of God because what’s in the declaration and the core tenants of God as creator and God as the giver of rights and government as the maintainer of the God given rights and the concept of accountability before God the great judge, all of that was built in.

And we just took those and applied it to today. It would also be a way to diagnose where we are.

Isaac Crockett:

Well, that’s where we want to go, Sam. We want to look back at this divine diagnosis. I know you’ve spoken some on this with other guests, even like you said, in the last week or so with David New and others. But we want to take a quick time out, hear from some of our partners and then come back and ask Sam some more questions about our nation and about the framework in which we’re living and see what the divine diagnosis will be. Welcome back to the program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and we are having a Friday Ask Sam. And it’s been a while, Sam, since you and I have been able to sit down and just kind of talk about the current issues from maybe a deeper perspective. And today we’re doing kind of a diagnosis 250. So as we continue to celebrate the 250 years of independence that our nation is celebrating from obviously the date with the Declaration of Independence, we’re looking at the vital signs of our nation.

And one of the things you talked about was that without having to use really any guesswork, we can see the words of our founding fathers in documents. The most obvious one, the Declaration of Independence. And we see their fear of God. We see a biblical worldview there. And even as our friends at Satan Sound released a movie this year, A Great Awakening showing the tie-in between the use of scripture and preaching of, in that case, George Whitfield and Benjamin Franklin and their relationship. We see other people, the revival that was sparked with even Jonathan Edwards recently on our Facebook. We put a post, it’s been 285 years as of this past week since his famous sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God and how that revival led to the Declaration of Independence. And so Sam, as we look at this, we’ll call it a divine diagnosis because you’ve been using that framework and you and Attorney David New and Dr. Carl Broggi and other folks that you’ve been interviewing have been looking at this.

Let’s apply this medical checkup. Let’s pretend that you’re Dr. Sam today if we could. We’re looking at America at 250 years old and we’re using scripture as the standard. When we look at this diagnosis, Sam, what would you look for? What is the vital sign that you’re looking at to determine the health of our nation?

Sam Rohrer:

Isaac, I go to scripture and again, the great question, and it’s what we try to do on the program from the beginning. And that is start with what does God say? And then also conclude what does God say? So in essence, what we’re looking at here is how would God look at our nation and the health of our nation is not a whole lot different than how he would look at the health of an individual. It is a little bit different, but God has promises and requirements laid out for national blessing, but a nation was ultimately comprised of their individuals. So it all starts back with an individual and then it grows from there. But ultimately there is a fundamental criteria where God starts.

Song of Solomon, or not Song of Solomon, but King Solomon in Ecclesiastes 12:13. When he got done, he summarized from his perspective as a king, but he applied it to the people and it’s appropriate. And he said, now let’s hear the conclusion of the whole matter. Fear God and keep his commandments for this is the entire duty of man. Isaac, that is the bottom line. That’s an individual health check. And the question of, well, do I fear God? How is the fear of God manifested in my life and in my choices? And the same thing for a nation. And to what degree do we seek to follow the commands of God? Certainly nationally that can be witnessed by the laws and the regulations and that kind of thing. Individually, it’s by the choices that we make. But then God took that in the book of Deuteronomy, which was a book that our founders looked at because that’s what scripture lays out.

It’s a book that lays out national perspective where God lays out to the nation of Israel, which is an example to us. If you want to be blessed as a nation, you’re going to go to the book of Deuteronomy and you’re going to follow it and you’re going to look at it. But Deuteronomy six: two talks about that thou might fear the Lord thy God and keep his statutes and keep his commandments, which I command you. And it’s repeated multiple times throughout the book. So Isaac, I would start there by asking this question. Fearing God and keeping the commandments, that’s what God laid out. To what extent is that done? And then look at things by which that can be measured. The connection of that our founders understood because in part that’s where they started with, and I referred to it before, in the Declaration of Independence.

Who did they start with? God. Our creator, God. So they went there because they started with fearing God. And so it was reflected in what they said. And then they went from there, keep his commandments. Well, how’s that reflected? Well, they started, went into it, the giver of rights. Unalienable rights. Rights that cannot be taken away by any government or any time. They exist because of God and the creator. And then they went into government as the institution of authority created by God. We find in Romans 13 for the purpose of upholding those God-given rights. And by extension, government doesn’t come up with their rights. God does. Government’s responsibility is to protect it. All of these things I’m saying here are all measurable. And we can look around us and say, “Well, to what degree is government fearing God? To what degree are they recognizing God as creator?

And that God is the one who gave rights. To what extent are they maintaining the defense of those rights?” And then it comes back in the declaration and puts forth the concept of accountability where the signers there appealed to the great judge of the universe to hear the rectitude of our cause is what they say. Well, why is that? Well, because they’re going to give an account to God. Solomon in Ecclesiastes 12:13, the whole conclusion of the matter, fear God, keep his commandments. The next verse says, “The reason is because we’re all going to give an account before God and he will bring forth everything and every secret thing, the concept of accountability.” So Isaac, again, our founders understood the simple part, fear God and keep his commandments and accountability toward God. And within that, I believe we can measure everything as we look around America today.

Isaac Crockett:

I’m thinking of something… Actually, I’ll give a quick shout out to friends and partners of ours at Sermon Audio, sermonaudio.com. They carry all of our broadcast on there and they have a great selection of sermons, but they were putting out about the sermon, sinners in the hands of an angry God. You can go to our Facebook page and see links to that. But in that, we have Jonathan Edwards in New England, which is considered Puritan America back in the 1700s, 1741. He’s saying that we are sinners in the hands of an angry God, that we are facing divine judgment. And Sam, 250 years later of our nation, 285 years later since that sermon was preached, are we looking at a nation that’s maybe sick when we see the problems that exist? Or are we looking at a nation that’s under divine judgment or both of those together?

Sam Rohrer:

Great question again. And there are a lot of people today who would say, “Oh, they can’t even envision God as a God of justice. They think God is only a God of love.” Well, before we can be born again, we have to be dead. And our understanding script biblically is that we are dead in our trespasses and sins. That is bad news. The good news is the gospel. We don’t have to stay there. We can trust in what the Lord has done and trust in him. That’s the same way about God’s love and God’s justice. God, first of all, is a God of justice and that results in judgment and discipline. That’s why we’re going to give an account before him and our founders understood accountability before God. If we don’t understand that, you end up having a tyrant, that’s all. A cocky, arrogant, proud tyrant like old Nebuchadnezzar.

And he had to learn the hard way when God sent him out in the field to eat grass for a long time. But see, our founders understood that. Isaac, when we look at scripture, the place I go to is Deuteronomy chapter eight or 28 because there God lays out some measurements. He lays out and delineates a long list of blessings, national blessings. And he delineates a long list of national judgments. And according to that passage, and we can look at it more, according to that section of scripture, we are under severe God’s judgment. Put it in context of health or sickness. We are in an acute stage of cardiac arrest as a nation, as a people. We are not well. We are sick as measured by no fear of God. As measured by do our own thing and forget the commands of God. Doesn’t even factor into our national thinking and into the lives of our individuals.

And we can talk more about that, but that’s all I’d say. We are sick as measured by how God would measure us.

Isaac Crockett:

Well, again, you’re pointing to a clear passage there in Deuteronomy 28. And so we like to talk about God’s blessing. In fact, how often do we say God bless America? We repost a quote from Lee Greenwood, who you had an interview with him. You and I talked to him a couple of years ago for a 4th of July interview. And one of the things he said in that interview is that if we want God’s blessings, we have to be obedient because God’s blessings come upon those who obey. God’s cursing comes upon those who don’t. And even in my Liberty Sunday at my church, one of the questions I ask is that we’ve all heard people talk about God’s love and sermons on how do we love like God? Have we heard on how to hate what God hates? And so Sam, these are very helpful statements that you’re making here as we look at this diagnosis, as we look at our nation, as we go to our knees and pray, not just for our nation, but for ourselves, for our own lives.

Where am I in all of this? Where is my heart? Am I closer to God than I was a year ago or 10 years ago? And so we’re looking at ourselves individually, but then as a nation. When we come back, we want to tackle some of the ungodly ideas that are infiltrating our nation and even our churches. We’ll be right back on Stand in the Gap. Well, welcome back to Stand in the Gap and welcome to Stand in the Gap today. If you’re just tuning in, I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and I’m talking with my co-host, Sam Rohr today as we pick his brain on some of the bigger issues. We’ve been looking at America 250 and kind of taking this framework that Sam, you’ve been discussing with other guests and looking at this divine diagnosis and what is going on? Why are we in the situation we’re at and kind of taking a deep dive into not just the cultural topical headlines, but the heart issues that are lying behind that.

So we’ve had a lot of good discussions, Sam. We have more to come, but I want to go to our producer right now, Tim Schneider, and just get some of the behind the scenes of what’s going on at American Pastors Network or at Stand in the Gap Media. So Tim, I’ll turn things over to you.

Tim Schneider:

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Isaac Crockett:

Well, thank you, Tim. And thank you for the work you do as well as that good reminder. If you’re listening, however you’re listening to this, please let other people know. And so whether you’re tuning in on the radio, let other people know when and where you’re listening. Let them know about our app and let them know about our podcast. If you’re talking with somebody, maybe a friend, a family member, somebody at church, and they maybe don’t have the chance to listen to the radio when we’re on, tell them about our app. Tell them about our podcast. Maybe you’re talking to somebody and they’re trying to get you to listen to podcasts. Maybe you already listen to podcasts, maybe you don’t, but tell them about our podcast. Tell them about standing in the gap today. And again, like Tim said, help them find the right one.

And I hope that we can be a blessing to you and to many more people through you as you share this. Well, Sam, as we look at this diagnosis of the straits that we’re in as a country, we really have to go beyond just what is the problem and talk about the theology, the ideologies, the structures that are there. And of course, what we’ve been doing from the very beginning of this radio program, not just the program today, but staying in the gap over a decade is trying to proclaim truth in the public square, getting out this biblical worldview. And Sam, it’s so interesting when you look at our forefathers 250 years ago, they were dealing with struggling with theology and biblical worldview. As I’ve already referenced earlier in the program, 1741, Puritan preachers like Jonathan Edwards, they were dealing with heart issues. They were dealing with biblical worldview when he preached sinners in the hands of an angry God.

He wasn’t always received well. In fact, that very church that Jonathan Edwards spoke from, he ended up getting kicked out of it for speaking the truth and being ostracized for some time from even people who were related to him. So Sam, as we look at this, what are some of the ideologies that we should be worried about? And I guess let’s dig right into this biblical worldview. How does a rejection of objective truth, how does a rejection of biblical truth in our culture lead to the sort of confusion and chaos that we’ve seen pursue then in law and media and education?

Sam Rohrer:

There’s a direct connection, Isaac, to the rejection of God as creator. The result of that is a rejection of truth. And what is necessary for justice to occur? The embracing and definite defining of truth according to how God has defined it. So the God of justice is the God of creation. He establishes the standard for what is right and wrong, justice. That called truth. Where do we find that? In the word of God. But it’s not just in the word of God. It’s found also in natural… We’ll see it in natural law. Our founders referred to natural law a lot. They really did because there were certain things that were in nature. I was very similar to basically the same as what the book of Romans talks about in chapter one where God says, “I have put my divine stamp on all of creation, all of nature.” All that is about you so that if you had never heard the gospel, no man ever born will ever be able to say when they stand before God that there is no God.

God made it so clear. That’s why he says in Romans chapter one. And what is that revelation? That revelation is truth. Now we have the written word of God and that is truth. So when a nation rejects God, they will ultimately, Isaac, I believe, will reject his word and they will ignore his will, which is revealed in his word, and they will reject his way. Now it’s interesting because in the Old Testament, God spoke when he told in the book of Deuteronomy, Moses said through inspiration what Lord said in Deuteronomy 30 verse 15, where God says, “See, I have said before you this day,” this was to Israel, “but it’s to all nations who fear God. I’ve said before you this day, life and good, death and evil. Two paths, two choices. And God made it very clear, choose life. Choose life that you and your children may live.

That’s the blessings that come from fearing God and choosing to keep his commandments. There’s only two paths in life. God laid it out. How do we know that through his word? So Isaac, that’s where I go first. One choice leads to judgment, one and destruction. The other leads to life and blessing. And that is how we can take and put it on ours. So when truth falls, even Isaiah, the prophet Isaiah in 59:14 says about Israel, they knew the truth, but he said, and judgment is turned away backward and justice connected very closely to truth and into judgment. Justice stands far off. Why? Because truth is fallen in the street. So Isaac, when a nation and people reject God as creator, reject him as truth, they will reject God’s word, his written word as truth. And when that happens, truth has fallen in the street.

And when truth falls in the street, injustice becomes the mark of the nation. Lawlessness becomes the mark of a nation. And the signs of Of judgment that God, it very clearly elucidates and calls out in Deuteronomy chapter 8:28, will be the mark of the nation. It’s not really complicated, but a person does have to make a choice and it all links in this fashion.

Isaac Crockett:

Sam, one of the things I want to get into probably at the beginning of next segment is this idea that just because somebody is against something, does that make them right? In other words, the old saying, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Does that hold true with what we’re talking about today? Is being anti-woke or anti-communist, does that mean that somebody has a biblical worldview? And so I want to get into that in the next segment, but Sam, is there anything you would have to say about that just in the few moments we have before we go to our break?

Sam Rohrer:

No. The devil’s way, the Lord says the way to destruction, the way into judgment is very broad. And there are many people who are on that way, many isms. So let’s put it that way. Many isms are on that way from communism to humanism to Islamism to whatever it is. God’s way is very narrow. Few there be that find it. And that way is through Jesus Christ who said, I am the truth. We just talked about it. And the life and the way. And that’s the part where people can be very confused. It’s only through Jesus Christ. So they want to go in that way they’re on the Broadway and it doesn’t make any difference. What is them? It is.

Isaac Crockett:

Well, Sam, that’s exactly where we want to go. We want to talk about the biblical path forward. We’re going to wrap up this program when we come back. We’re going to listen to our partners right now, come back from this brief timeout. Please don’t go away. We want to talk about the biblical path forward and start with that. All right. Well, thanks for listening to Stand in the Gap today. We will be right back. Well, welcome back to the program. I’m Pastor Isaac Crockett and I’m talking with Sam Rohr, my co-host. And Sam, as we’ve been diagnosing the real issues, which all go back to a sin problem, which all go back to a rejection of biblical truth, we want to kind of wrap things up with a prescription for where we need to go. But part of that is recognizing truth and falsehood. And so one of the things that I think is so tricky, and you started to hit on this at the end of the last segment, is that Satan will masquerade as an angel of light even when he’s anything but.

And so we have a lot of people, in fact, right now, I would say Democrats and Republicans seem to both blame each other of the same thing. They say, “Oh, well, you’re not following the Declaration of Independence. You’re not following the Constitution. If the people on that side of the aisle, they’re trampling your rights. Well, what rights are they talking about? Well, the bill of rights or things like that. And so we have these things. We have a lot of people scared about communism. Back during the Cold War, there was a big fear of communism and it seems that’s being revitalized, this fear of communism. There’s wokeness and we’re saying,” Oh, we want to be anti-woke. “But Sam, sometimes these are just kind of groups that say,” Well, we’re anti this. “But for us as true believers walking in grounded biblical truth, what does it take?

You said you can’t just be anti something. You actually have to be pro what Jesus taught. You have to be for Jesus the way the truth in life. Can you talk about that a little bit further, helping us develop that as true Christians, what we really need to be seeking and putting our lives after?

Sam Rohrer:

I can Isaac. As I say, the broad way in the… Let’s go back all the way. Two choices. From God’s perspective, there is one way. One way what? Well, one way to heaven. One way to restored relationship with God. Why is that necessary? Well, because in creation, that’s why we always got to go back there. At creation, there was no sin. There was perfect unity. Sin came. Now there’s the depravity of the heart. Our founders talked about that. They knew that. The Bible, that’s what the Bible speaks about. All right. So now there is the way that the devil says, “Hey, follow my way. All right, that’s sin.” Now, his way is anything other than one way, God’s way. That’s where all the isms comes from. So whether you call it a Maoism or a communism or a humanism or new age-ism or… Well, it doesn’t make any difference.

Any of that, anything other than God’s one way where Jesus is the life and the truth and the way is an ism. And that’s very broad. The devil doesn’t really care which one you’re a part of. All of them are counterfeit. All of them will lead to hell. Only one way through Jesus Christ will lead to eternal life with Christ. And those are the two ways that God talks about in Deuteronomy. I put before you two paths. One leads to life and blessing. That is God’s way through the Messiah, Jesus Christ. All right. The other is a very broad way. And there are many people who are on that, Isaac. So when we stand and we see in a political fashion, which we’re seeing now, an attacking of other people, other isms, on one hand, that can sound like, wow, let’s get all excited. I mean, I’m opposed to communism.

You’d better believe it. I’m opposed to the other isms. Of course. But what’s the solution?

Unless there is a communism will lead to bondage. Communism will do this and that, but here is the only way that we can have freedom. And that’s called God’s way. What a perfect opportunity to walk it back into what we just talked about, the core tenets of the Declaration of Independence. Start with God. God, the giver of rights, government the protector of rights. And accountability we’re all going to give one day before him, which produces humility instead of pride and all of that. So it’s as simple as that, Isaac. And I would caution people don’t get all worked up and get on the bandwagon of fighting some other ism unless you are already on the path to heaven. And this brings us back to a recent program that we did with our good friend, Dr. George Barna. When we find that the research that describes America, 94% of Americans, 94% of Americans embrace an ism on that broad path.

Scary. That ism called syncretism. A little bit of Christianity, a little bit of new ageism, a little bit of Islam, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. And come up with something on the broad way. And Isaac, that’s where I go to and say, the solution is God’s way only one way. Anything else? And right now, 94% of America, because I believe George’s surveys because they are so well done. That is a diagnosis from a health perspective. That is a diagnosis from the word of God perspective that says we are very, very sick. We are very, very deceived. Because many in that 94%, almost 70% would say count themselves as Christians, but they’re not because they do not believe the authority of scripture, which brings us back to truth. God is not God really of the God of the Bible because God’s word, they don’t really believe it’s all God’s word.

So therefore truth has fallen in the street. Isaac, we are in days of great deception and there’s no place that we can go for a recalibration than to God’s word and say, how do I look and how do I compare? Do I have a fear of God according to God’s word? What’s my life like? What are my actions like? My speech like? And that’s the measurement. That’s the only measurement that counts. That’s God’s measurement. And that’s how I try and ask the Lord, help me to evaluate my own life, first of all, and then evaluate this nation and invite everyone else who’s listening to evaluate themselves at this point according to God’s word. Because at the end of the day, that’s the only thing that matters.

Isaac Crockett:

Sam, I want to leave time. We’re almost to the end of our program and I want to leave time for you to be able to close in prayer. But I do want to also close with hope and encouragement, biblical hope. And there’s so many in the media and in some of these other isms and things that are trying to stoke fear. They’re trying to stoke division amongst our country, divide and conquer as they say sometimes. But what would you say for those listening who know Jesus Christ as Savior when biblical truth is applied in our own lives, when biblical truth is applied in our families and our churches? What kind of hope does that bring to every listener that’s a true believer today?

Sam Rohrer:

Well, you had the key right there. The only people who have hope, a legitimate hope are those who are first born again and part of the family of God. The only person who has any hope is the person who knows that Jesus Christ is the son of God and have trusted in him and have been adopted into the family of God. Isaac, any other person, any other ism, any other politician, any other religious entity that offers hope outside the word of God and Jesus Christ as the life, the truth and the way has no hope. But for those of us who have trusted in him, God has not given us the spirit of fear, not at all, but a power and of love and of a sound mind. And we know that he is soon to return exciting, wonderful. So let’s live holy lives because the king is coming, the bridegroom is coming, and I’m excited about that.

And that is good news.

Isaac Crockett:

Well, that good news is exciting for all of us. I thank you for listening today. Please share this with others. Please pray for us. And until next time, please stand in the gap for truth where you are today.